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14:39:54 <trackbot> Meeting: WCAG2ICT Task Force Teleconference
14:39:54 <trackbot> Date: 04 December 2012
14:40:49 <andisnow> chair: Andi_Snow-Weaver
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15:01:24 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
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15:01:36 <Zakim> +MaryJo; got it
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15:04:49 <Judy> zakim, who's on the phone?
15:04:49 <Zakim> On the phone I see Andi_Snow_Weaver, MaryJo, [Microsoft], David_MacDonald, Judy, [Oracle]
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15:06:36 <korn> Zakim, who is here
15:06:38 <Zakim> korn, you need to end that query with '?'
15:06:52 <korn> Zakim, pretty please with sugar on top, who is here?
15:06:52 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, korn.
15:06:55 <MaryJo> scribe Mary Jo Mueller
15:07:06 <korn> Zakim, you are a stickler aren't you?
15:07:06 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, korn.
15:07:10 <korn> Zakim, who is here?
15:07:11 <Zakim> On the phone I see Andi_Snow_Weaver, MaryJo, [Microsoft], David_MacDonald, Judy, [Oracle]
15:07:12 <Zakim> [Microsoft] has Alex_Li
15:07:12 <Zakim> On IRC I see korn, David, alex_, Judy, MaryJo, Zakim, RRSAgent, andisnow, trackbot, MichaelC
15:07:12 <andisnow> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:07:13 <Zakim> On the phone I see Andi_Snow_Weaver, MaryJo, [Microsoft], David_MacDonald, Judy, [Oracle]
15:07:13 <Zakim> [Microsoft] has Alex_Li
15:07:23 <MaryJo> scribe: Mary_Jo_Mueller
15:07:28 <MaryJo> scribenick: MaryJo
15:08:41 <MaryJo> topic: Upcoming draft release
15:09:35 <MaryJo> There were some discrepancies between the resolutions we've had in our meetings and the content captured in Google docs, but those have been resolved.
15:10:16 <MaryJo> Thanks to Michael Cooper for pulling this draft together for us to look at.
15:10:46 <MaryJo> Thanks to Gregg, Peter and Judy for the teamwork to review the latest draft and correct it.
15:12:44 <MaryJo> Steps from here are: Have Michael confirm the draft is ready.  Andi needs to send out a survey for task force to review and look at the draft which will be published as a working draft.
15:13:17 <MaryJo> Then there will be a review by the WCAG working group next Thursday, 13 December.
15:13:27 <andisnow> q+
15:13:49 <MaryJo> We'll have to resolve any issues brought up in the WCAG review before publishing.
15:14:13 <andisnow> q-
15:14:27 <korn> q+
15:14:48 <MaryJo> We want M376 to point to the undated version of our document.
15:16:05 <MaryJo> We have to move deliberately to get this published before the holidays.
15:18:03 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald
15:18:39 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald
15:18:57 <MaryJo> There are some new technical edits, so those will have to wait until the 3rd time we publish.  We're trying to stay to only editorial changes at this point.
15:20:08 <Zakim> -[Oracle]
15:20:47 <Zakim> +[Oracle]
15:20:56 <korn> Zakim, Oracle has Peter_Korn
15:20:56 <Zakim> +Peter_Korn; got it
15:21:09 <MaryJo> On 2.4.1, 2.4.5, and 3.2.3 we only say documents and not 'documents and software'.  We may need to make changes.
15:21:17 <andisnow> zakim, who is on the queue?
15:21:17 <Zakim> I see korn on the speaker queue
15:22:49 <MaryJo> There is nothing in the key terms section about 'set of documents'.
15:22:52 <korn> q-
15:24:50 <MaryJo> We have discussions about sets in 2.4.1, and will need to include the term in the key terms section for the final document.
15:25:59 <MaryJo> There was an editorial change to use the term 'non-web documents' and need to carry over this change to 2.4.1, 2.4.5, and 3.2.3.
15:27:11 <MaryJo> In 2.4.1, the term 'documents' is not in the success criteria itself, so the change isn't a problem there.
15:27:48 <MaryJo> In 2.4.5, we could say '...a document in a set of non-web documents' to make it less cumbersome.
15:28:13 <MaryJo> Also in Note 4 and Note 1 of 2.4.5.
15:28:33 <MaryJo> In 3.2.3 we should say 'set of non-web documents'
15:29:21 <MaryJo> Also in Note 1 of 2.4.1 and Note 1 of 3.2.3 use 'set of non-web documents'.
15:30:51 <MaryJo> We could have the WCAG working group start looking at the document while our working group is also reviewing for Friday's survey.
15:31:15 <MaryJo> +1
15:33:46 <David> +1
15:33:58 <MaryJo> We need to send a note to the WCAG working group to explain how this parallel review would work. All edits of the text are not substantive from what the WCAG working group has already approved.
15:36:24 <MaryJo> We should start the review in the task force and coordinate with the WCAG working group chairs to have their WCAG working group start looking at the draft so it isn't brand new to them later on next week.
15:38:34 <MaryJo> We'd really like if they have any concerns prior to next Thursday's formal review and approval of our publication, that they get raised ASAP.
15:40:01 <MaryJo> There is a blackout of 14 December through 2 January for publishing documents. 14 Dec. is next Friday.
15:40:37 <MaryJo> Unless the WCAG working group has no comments next Thursday, we couldn't publish until after the new year.
15:42:40 <MaryJo> For the task force review, the review comments are due in a survey by Friday morning, 7 December.
15:43:45 <MaryJo> We would need to have the survey close before the end of the day Thursday in order to be ready to go over comments at the Friday morning meeting.
15:45:38 <MaryJo> We could leave the survey open, but strongly request the comments be completed by Thursday night to give Michael a chance to incorporate editorial changes before Friday morning's meeting.
15:46:14 <MaryJo> Any technical issues raised - we'll either have to hold up publishing until it's resolved, or put of handling the technical issue until the next draft after this one.
15:49:09 <MaryJo> Unless there is a significant technical disconnect, we'll put off technical issues for the 3rd draft.
15:49:38 <andisnow> another option is we could include an editorial note
15:50:39 <Zakim> -[Oracle]
15:50:41 <Zakim> -Andi_Snow_Weaver
15:50:42 <Zakim> -MaryJo
15:50:42 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald
15:50:53 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
15:51:08 <andisnow> zakim, bye
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15:51:18 <MaryJo> rrsagent, make minutes
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16:07:17 <MaryJo> s/trying to stay to only editorial/trying to only make editorial/
16:08:10 <MaryJo> s/key terms section for the final document/key terms section for the final document (draft 3)/
16:10:23 <MaryJo> s/or put of handling/or put off handling/
16:10:48 <MaryJo> rrsagent, make minutes
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16:12:03 <MaryJo> Present: Andi_Snow_Weaver, Mary_Jo_Mueller, Alex_Li, David_MacDonald, Judy, Peter_Korn
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