IRC log of mlw-lt on 2012-12-04

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Scribe Yves
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Meeting: ITS Test Suite Webinar
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Chair: Dominic Jones
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/12/04-mlw-lt-minutes.html Yves_
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We'll wait until 14.05 to start
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14:00:43 [Yves_]
zakim, who is here?
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sorry, Yves_, I don't know what conference this is
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On IRC I see Ankit, igor_ignatyuk, Declan, thomas, leroy_, Nieves, kfritsche, DomJones_, Zakim, RRSAgent, Yves_, Philip_ODuffy_UL, trackbot
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DomJones: We will start soon
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.. checking that we have one each partner
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/12/04-mlw-lt-minutes.html Yves_
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.. will run high level of the test suite
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.. then Leroy will run some example code
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.. we provide the gold file
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.. you provide your output, which must match the gold
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.. some data categories have many implementers, other only just enough
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.. we need at least TWO per data category
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.. otherwise the data category is dropped
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.. I will send links to the test suite
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.. you need to get the input and gold
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.. generate your output from the input
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.. and compare against the gold
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.. the output is in a 'standard' format
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.. conformance is illustrated by a proper output
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.. color show the stage of the tests
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.. we will have a test page showing the results
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.. we will not diff all your files
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.. but rely on your honesty
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.. end of January we hope to be at stage 2
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.. key dates:
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.. review of the test files (ongoing)
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.. today: webinar
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.. M2 before Christmas break: at least one file passes for each data category
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M3 end of January: all test should run
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.. but may not be conformant
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M4, early march 2013: most test conformant
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M5: march 15 for the MLW-LT review
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.. at 80% done
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.. now example from Leroy
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leroy: here is an example of an input file
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.. we parse it, apply the rules
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.. and generate the test result
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.. in this example we use an intermediate XSL file
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.. and an intermediate XML
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.. then we convert to ITS 2.0
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.. the example was done based on example from 1.0
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.. then we do a XSL transfor to the tab-delimited file
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.. the gold format is described in the output guidelines
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.. tab-delimited
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.. attributes must be in alphabeticall order
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.. have a utility to do the sorting if you need
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.. the data cat info is alo in alphabetical order
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.. have a utility for the sort for that too
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.. name of info uses XML attribute names
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Phil: what is the last point?
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leroy: need to use XML name because we have same name regardless of the input
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.. whether it's XML or HTML
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.. will post the link to the example code
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.. it's on GitHub
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.. an example for Language information, for XML only
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.. uses XML parser (Saxon) but you can use another
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.. uses also Ant
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.. uses XLink in this example to link the rules with the input file
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.. uses several XSL template for the transforms
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.. java code simply triggers the XSL templates and Ant
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.. one function tidy up the XSL output
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.. sort the paths and the information
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.. also normalizes the information names
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.. and then write the output
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DomJones: any question?
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None.
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.. will circulate the slides after the webinar
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.. Now, what can we do to help you?
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.. updating input and output files
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.. but can't help you with your process
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.. send bug to test mailing list
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.. with a [bug] prefix in the subject
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.. Lucy? Tilde? Adobe? Shuan?
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.. will have a recording of the presentation
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.. any questions?
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Fredrik_L: what about the filename in the Google list
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leroy: will have the filename
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.. we will update the input from the latest draft
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.. as well as the output
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DomJones: were waiting for the stable draft
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Fredrik_L: any example of the standoff markup output?
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leroy: did asked about it a while ago
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.. no answer so far
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.. so we can have an email thread for this
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DomJones: thanks for attending
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.. will send an email with links
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.. keep key dates in mind
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leroy: also key questions
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.. important to get those answer ASAP
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14:39:06 [DomJones_]
Yves, can you generate minutes for me?
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I'm logging. I don't understand 'draft agent', Yves_. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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