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14:57:06 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_(WCAG2ICT)10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
14:57:07 <trackbot> Meeting: WCAG2ICT Task Force Teleconference
14:57:07 <trackbot> Date: 27 November 2012
14:57:15 <Andi> chair: Andi_Snow-Weaver
14:57:38 <Zakim> WAI_(WCAG2ICT)10:00AM has now started
14:57:45 <Zakim> +Andi_Snow-Weaver
14:58:39 <Zakim> +Bruce_Bailey
15:00:06 <Zakim> +Peter_Korn_again
15:00:34 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
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15:00:59 <Andi> zakim, Microsoft has Alex_Li
15:00:59 <Zakim> +Alex_Li; got it
15:01:09 <korn> Zakim, who is here?
15:01:10 <Zakim> On the phone I see Andi_Snow-Weaver, Bruce_Bailey, Peter_Korn_again, [Microsoft], +1.512.255.aaaa
15:01:10 <Zakim> [Microsoft] has Alex_Li
15:01:10 <Zakim> On IRC I see korn, janina, Zakim, RRSAgent, MaryJo, Andi, MichaelC_, trackbot
15:01:17 <Zakim> +??P1
15:01:19 <Andi> zakim, +1.512.255.aaaa is Mary_Jo_Mueller
15:01:19 <Zakim> +Mary_Jo_Mueller; got it
15:01:28 <janina> zakim, ??P1 is Janina_Sajka
15:01:28 <Zakim> +Janina_Sajka; got it
15:01:43 <Zakim> +Kiran_Kaja
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15:02:02 <MaryJo> scribe: Mary_Jo_Mueller
15:02:08 <MaryJo> scribenick: MaryJo
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15:02:39 <Andi> zakim, ??P29 is Mike_Pluke
15:02:39 <Zakim> +Mike_Pluke; got it
15:02:48 <Zakim> +Judy
15:05:08 <MaryJo> topic: Survey on glossary terms
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15:05:36 <Andi> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/NOV152012/results
15:06:44 <MaryJo> The editors are reviewing the next draft and it will go out to the group to review on Friday.
15:07:05 <MaryJo> The WCAG working group needs to approve it before it goes out for public review.
15:08:13 <BBailey> zakim, i am bbailey
15:08:13 <Zakim> sorry, BBailey, I do not see a party named 'bbailey'
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15:08:25 <BBailey> zakim, i am bruce
15:08:26 <Zakim> ok, BBailey, I now associate you with Bruce_Bailey
15:08:49 <Judy> q+
15:08:54 <BBailey> q+
15:09:22 <BBailey> q+ to ask if version number and date are stable?
15:10:16 <MaryJo> M376 is available for viewing but not for additional comment yet. It is undergoing approval next week prior to entering the formal voting process for approval - a lengthy process.
15:10:38 <Andi> ack judy
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15:11:09 <alex_> q+
15:12:37 <MaryJo> In terms of our WCAG2ICT work, the terms in M376 have already been aligned with what we've agreed upon so far.
15:13:39 <BBailey> @MaryJo, I thought I heard Mike say there was some misalignment with our most recent work.
15:14:03 <Judy> q+
15:14:55 <Andi> ack bruce
15:14:55 <Zakim> Bruce_Bailey, you wanted to ask if version number and date are stable?
15:15:50 <MaryJo> A link to the WCAG2ICT document is not included in the M376 documents yet, but the technical report does reference the WCAG2ICT task force.
15:18:40 <BBailey> zakim, mute me
15:18:40 <Zakim> Bruce_Bailey should now be muted
15:18:50 <MaryJo> There could some areas in M376 - anything that has changed in the last week or so - that have not been aligned with the WCAG2ICT work.
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15:19:20 <korn> q?
15:19:36 <Andi> ack alex
15:21:20 <MaryJo> Wednesday 5 December is the day that approval for moving M376 into the formal review/voting process.
15:21:55 <Andi> ack judy
15:22:09 <Judy> q-
15:22:41 <MaryJo> s/A link to the WCAG2ICT document is not included in the M376 documents yet/A link to the WCAG2ICT document is in the M376 technical report./
15:22:41 <Andi> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/NOV152012/results
15:23:09 <MaryJo> s/, but the technical report does reference the WCAG2ICT task force./
15:23:25 <MaryJo> s/, but the technical report does reference the WCAG2ICT task force.//
15:23:52 <korn> q+
15:23:59 <Mike_P> q+
15:24:07 <MaryJo> Definition of 'assistive technology' - https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/NOV152012/results#xq1
15:26:25 <Andi> ack korn
15:27:28 <MaryJo> Need to clarify the difference between what is a built-in assistive technology feature vs. an installable AT - especially for closed products.
15:28:19 <korn> q+
15:28:29 <Andi> ack mike
15:29:19 <Mike_P> q+
15:29:31 <korn> q-
15:30:32 <korn> Mike, go to https://sites.google.com/site/wcag2ict/home/introduction-to-wcag2ict-application-note and scan down to "Closed Functinality"
15:33:42 <MaryJo> For built-in AT, some of the information could be obtained through proprietary methods rather than through accessibility services. The platform may even be closed so that a 3rd party AT is not allowed.
15:34:05 <alex_> q+
15:34:06 <MaryJo> s/Functinality/Functionality/
15:34:14 <alex_> q-
15:34:30 <Mike_P> +1
15:35:14 <Andi> "hardware or software [THAT CAN BE] added to, connected to, or incorporated within, a system that increases accessibility for an individual"
15:35:39 <MaryJo> RESOLUTION: Accept the definition for assistive technology as updated in the meeting.
15:36:08 <MaryJo> Definition of 'changes of context' - https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/NOV152012/results#xq2
15:36:50 <Mike_P> q+
15:37:06 <MaryJo> Proposal made to substitute this term in 3.2.1 and 3.2.2 instead of including this definition.
15:39:18 <korn> https://sites.google.com/site/wcag2ict/home/3-understandable/32-make-web-pages-appear-and-operate-in-predictable-ways/322-on-input
15:41:42 <Andi> action: Peter to work with Mike on interpretation of "change of context" for software for 3.2.1 and 3.2.2
15:41:42 <trackbot> Created ACTION-79 - Work with Mike on interpretation of "change of context" for software for 3.2.1 and 3.2.2 [on Peter Korn - due 2012-12-04].
15:42:16 <MaryJo> Definition of 'programmatically determined' - https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/NOV152012/results#xq3
15:42:33 <Andi> q?
15:42:36 <Andi> ack mike
15:43:15 <korn> q+
15:43:48 <Andi> ack korn
15:44:26 <MaryJo> There are issues with this term for software. We could stay with the WCAG definition for documents.
15:45:09 <Mike_P> q+
15:45:15 <MaryJo> The problem is that we can't change the definition.  However this definition uses the term 'user agent' which doesn't isn't meaningful for software.
15:46:05 <MaryJo> s/doesn't isn't/isn't/
15:46:36 <MaryJo> We need to at least document that this term needs to be interpreted differently for software.
15:46:48 <Andi> action: Mike to work with Peter to develop guidance text for "programmatically determined" for software
15:46:48 <trackbot> Created ACTION-80 - Work with Peter to develop guidance text for "programmatically determined" for software [on Mike Pluke - due 2012-12-04].
15:47:25 <MaryJo> Definition of 'programmatically set' - https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/NOV152012/results#xq4
15:48:08 <korn> +1
15:48:14 <MaryJo> Proposal made to change 'user agent' with 'other software'.
15:49:21 <Andi> q?
15:49:24 <Andi> ack mike
15:50:15 <Andi> appplies replacing "user agent" with "other software"
15:50:22 <Andi> s/appplies/applies/
15:51:03 <MaryJo> RESOLUTION: Accept the definition of 'programmatically set' using the word replacement agreed to in the meeting.
15:51:34 <MaryJo> Definition of 'viewport' - https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/NOV152012/results#xq5
15:52:50 <BBailey> zakim, unmute me
15:52:50 <Zakim> Bruce_Bailey should no longer be muted
15:53:22 <BBailey> zakim, mute me
15:53:22 <Zakim> Bruce_Bailey should now be muted
15:53:30 <MaryJo> This definition seems to work even beyond the visual concept - in a non-visual context.
15:54:02 <BBailey> My mistake in survey, I did not think WCAG include the term viewport.
15:54:18 <BBailey> s/include/included/
15:54:55 <BBailey> q+
15:55:00 <BBailey> zakim, unmute me
15:55:02 <Zakim> Bruce_Bailey should no longer be muted
15:55:08 <MaryJo> The term 'viewport' only exists in the definition of the term 'changes of context'.
15:55:15 <Andi> ack bruce
15:56:14 <MaryJo> As 'viewport' is defined, it also seems to work for software.
15:56:30 <BBailey> s/is defined/as defined/
15:56:39 <Andi> Applies as written to documents. Task force is still working to determine applicability to software.
15:57:22 <MaryJo> s/As 'viewport' as defined/As 'viewport' is defined/
15:58:10 <Andi> close action-24
15:58:10 <trackbot> ACTION-24 Work Loïc, Mike, David, Andi to work on definition of "interaction context" closed
15:58:17 <BBailey> zakim, mute me
15:58:17 <Zakim> Bruce_Bailey should now be muted
15:58:27 <MaryJo> RESOLUTION: Accept definition of 'viewport' as written for documents.
15:58:47 <MaryJo> Topic: Action items
15:58:48 <Andi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG2ICT-TF/track/actions/open
15:59:10 <Andi> close action-40
15:59:10 <trackbot> ACTION-40 Work with Peter to draft example of input that falls outside the allowed range for 3.3.1 closed
16:00:07 <Andi> close action-41
16:00:07 <trackbot> ACTION-41 Start discussion to revisit use of "electronic document" in 2.2.1 - used to be "interactive document" closed
16:00:32 <BBailey> q+
16:00:48 <BBailey> zakim, unmute me
16:00:48 <Zakim> Bruce_Bailey should no longer be muted
16:01:21 <Andi> ack bruce
16:03:07 <BBailey> zakim, mute me
16:03:07 <Zakim> Bruce_Bailey should now be muted
16:03:48 <Andi> close action-50
16:03:48 <trackbot> ACTION-50 Coordinate with Shawn Henry to get updated input on Introduction closed
16:04:23 <Andi> close action-54
16:04:23 <trackbot> ACTION-54 Ask WCAG to add examples to WCAG INTENT for 2.2.1 Timing Adjustable, 2.2.2 Pause, Stop, Hide, and 2.2.3 No Timing per his comment on the survey closed
16:05:51 <Andi> close action-64
16:05:51 <trackbot> ACTION-64 Start outline of intro text describing content terms - why we don't use simple terms like "electronic documents", etc. closed
16:06:13 <Andi> close action-65
16:06:13 <trackbot> ACTION-65 Gather incoming comments to M376 team wrt closed functionality in the WCAG2ICT domain closed
16:07:06 <Andi> close action-69
16:07:06 <trackbot> ACTION-69 Draft additional text for closed functionality section to clarify these provisions are excluded from closed products closed
16:08:14 <Andi> close action-71
16:08:14 <trackbot> ACTION-71 Take consensus language for 2.4.5 (documents only) and try to apply it to a proposal for 3.2.3 closed
16:09:34 <Andi> close action-75
16:09:35 <trackbot> ACTION-75 Work with Gregg to draft summary of our positions on applying 2.4.1, 2.4.5, and 3.2.3 to software closed
16:10:37 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
16:11:23 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
16:12:26 <MaryJo> action 77, Need text to say that UUAG doesn't apply here. A note was proposed, but not accepted by WCAG working group.
16:12:26 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find 77,. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG2ICT-TF/track/users>.
16:13:16 <BBailey> I updated Action 49 with note to see “Proposal #2 (Gregg November 18, 2012)” at URL:
16:13:17 <BBailey> https://sites.google.com/site/wcag2ict/home/c---conformance-all
16:13:28 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
16:13:29 <Zakim> -Peter_Korn_again
16:13:31 <Zakim> -Andi_Snow-Weaver
16:13:32 <Zakim> -Janina_Sajka
16:13:32 <Zakim> -Judy
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16:13:39 <Zakim> WAI_(WCAG2ICT)10:00AM has ended
16:13:39 <Zakim> Attendees were Andi_Snow-Weaver, Bruce_Bailey, Peter_Korn_again, Alex_Li, Mary_Jo_Mueller, Janina_Sajka, Kiran_Kaja, Mike_Pluke, Judy, [Microsoft]
16:13:45 <MaryJo> rrsagent, make minutes
16:13:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/27-wcag2ict-minutes.html MaryJo
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17:00:12 <MaryJo> regrets: Loic_Martinez_Normand, David_MacDonald
17:01:55 <MaryJo> rrsagent, make minutes
17:01:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/27-wcag2ict-minutes.html MaryJo
17:03:51 <MaryJo> zakim, Oracle is Peter_Korn
17:03:51 <Zakim> sorry, MaryJo, I do not recognize a party named 'Oracle'
17:04:19 <MaryJo> rrsagent, make minutes
17:04:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/27-wcag2ict-minutes.html MaryJo
17:39:22 <MaryJo> zakim, bye
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