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14:59:01 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 2428
14:59:02 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_(WCAG2ICT)10:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
14:59:02 <trackbot> Meeting: WCAG2ICT Task Force Teleconference
14:59:02 <trackbot> Date: 16 November 2012
14:59:29 <Andi> chair: Andi_Snow-Weaver
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14:59:33 <Zakim> WAI_(WCAG2ICT)10:00AM has now started
14:59:40 <Zakim> +??P17
15:00:08 <Zakim> +Gregg_Vanderheiden
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15:00:16 <Zakim> +Andi_Snow_Weaver
15:00:24 <janina> zakim, call janina
15:00:24 <Zakim> ok, janina; the call is being made
15:00:25 <Zakim> +Janina
15:00:38 <Andi> zakim, ??P17 is Mike_Pluke
15:00:38 <Zakim> +Mike_Pluke; got it
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15:01:08 <Zakim> +MaryJo
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15:01:13 <Zakim> +??P10
15:01:40 <Andi> zakim, ??P10 is Loic_Martinez_Normand
15:01:40 <Zakim> +Loic_Martinez_Normand; got it
15:01:49 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
15:02:16 <Andi> zakim, Microsoft has Alex_Li
15:02:16 <Zakim> +Alex_Li; got it
15:02:20 <Zakim> +Kiran_Kaja
15:02:44 <MaryJo> scribe: Mary_Jo_Mueller
15:02:55 <MaryJo> scribenick: MaryJo
15:02:55 <janina> zakim, mute me
15:02:55 <Zakim> Janina should now be muted
15:03:35 <MaryJo> topic: Set of software definition
15:03:53 <Zakim> +Judy
15:04:20 <Andi> current draft definition of "set of software": http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag2ict-tf/2012Nov/0024.html
15:04:24 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald
15:06:06 <Andi> https://sites.google.com/site/wcag2ict/cross-cutting-issues-and-notes/remaining-3-scs
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15:10:26 <MaryJo> A suite of applications that has no explicit method to go back and forth between the applications is not considered a set.
15:11:42 <MaryJo> Clicking on a document when you're in one program and that causes another program to launch would not be a set.
15:12:08 <Kiran_Kaja> zakim, who is on the queue
15:12:08 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the queue', Kiran_Kaja
15:12:21 <Loic> q?
15:12:23 <shadi> ack me
15:12:25 <MaryJo> s/zakim, who is on the queue//
15:12:28 <Kiran_Kaja> q+
15:14:11 <Mike_P> q+
15:14:12 <MaryJo> To make an application a set, in each of the applications there needs to be a menu item that lets you go to a different program.
15:14:32 <MaryJo> We need to make it clear that applications aren't required to implement this.
15:16:06 <Zakim> -Judy
15:16:22 <Andi> q+
15:16:26 <Andi> ack kiran
15:18:01 <MaryJo> Adding bi-directionality is good, the menu items to navigate to the other applications has to be inclusive of all of the applications in the set, and the menu is available in each of the applications in the set.
15:18:29 <MaryJo> Consider adding that if there is any ambiguity, it is not a set.
15:20:37 <alex_> q+
15:22:35 <Andi> ack mike
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15:23:28 <Zakim> +Bruce_Bailey
15:24:10 <BBailey> zakim, i am bruce
15:24:10 <Zakim> ok, BBailey, I now associate you with Bruce_Bailey
15:24:16 <BBailey> zakim, mute me
15:24:16 <Zakim> Bruce_Bailey should now be muted
15:24:47 <Andi> ack andi
15:27:15 <MaryJo> This isn't a definition, but an interpretation. However, we need to be careful on where we put the note about automatically meeting the success criteria - should go on each of the SC that 'set of software' is used.
15:29:40 <MaryJo> Consider better defining the interlinking of the applications that make it a set. Sibling applications needs to have the interlinking - not just a parent application.
15:31:27 <Andi> ack alex
15:32:19 <MaryJo> OpenOffice does not meet this definition of a set, so would automatically meet these provisions.
15:33:33 <MaryJo> topic: Glossary survey
15:33:49 <Andi> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/NOV152012/results
15:34:00 <MaryJo> We can't come to consensus on this since there were only 3 responders to the survey so far.
15:34:36 <Mike_P> q+
15:35:54 <MaryJo> Assistive technology: When you go outside of the Web domain, the dependency on the term 'user agent' doesn't seem to work.
15:35:59 <greggvanderheiden> `q+
15:36:03 <greggvanderheiden> q+
15:36:13 <Andi> ack mike
15:36:25 <MaryJo> It really should relate more to the ability to access information from the operating system using accessibility services.
15:37:54 <Andi> M376 uses this definition of AT: hardware or software added to, connected to, or incorporated within, a system that increases accessibility for an individual
15:39:20 <Loic> q?
15:39:24 <Loic> q+
15:40:42 <Andi> ack gregg
15:40:46 <Loic> q-
15:40:49 <greggvanderheiden> hardware or software added to, connected to, or incorporated within, a system that increases accessibility for an individual that go beyond those offered by mainstream ict
15:41:35 <greggvanderheiden> : hardware or software added to, connected to, or incorporated within, a system that increases accessibility for an individual that goes beyond the functionality offered by mainstream ict
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15:42:14 <greggvanderheiden> hardware or software added to, connected to, or incorporated within, a system that increases accessibility for an individual that goes beyond the functionality offered by mainstream ict
15:42:15 <greggvanderheiden> [09:42am]
15:42:46 <MaryJo> s/[09:42am]//
15:45:39 <Loic> M376 definition: hardware or software added to, connected to, or incorporated within, a system that increases accessibility for an individual
15:45:41 <Andi> M376 uses this definition of AT: hardware or software added to, connected to, or incorporated within, a system that increases accessibility for an individual
15:46:12 <Loic> q?
15:46:36 <Andi> hardware or software THAT CAN BE added to, connected to, or incorporated within, a system that increases accessibility for an individual
15:46:42 <Andi> Q+
15:47:15 <Mike_P> +1
15:48:20 <Mike_P> q+
15:48:26 <greggvanderheiden> q+
15:48:50 <Andi> ack andi
15:49:03 <Loic> +1 to Andi's change
15:50:44 <Andi> ack mike
15:50:46 <Andi> ack gregg
15:51:11 <Loic> q+
15:52:46 <Mike_P> q+
15:53:04 <MaryJo> Discussion on closed and how it relates to the AT definition. ICT is closed if it is closed to different types of AT.
15:55:39 <greggvanderheiden> ack l
15:55:50 <greggvanderheiden> q+
15:56:01 <Andi> ack mike
15:57:06 <Andi> ack gregg
15:59:36 <MaryJo> doc attached at the bottom of this page: https://sites.google.com/site/wcag2ict/home/introduction-to-wcag2ict-application-note/closed-functionality is how M376 is treating closed products.
16:00:03 <MaryJo> topic: Changes of context definition
16:00:05 <MaryJo> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/NOV152012/results#xq2
16:00:21 <greggvanderheiden> interaction context  anyone?
16:00:24 <greggvanderheiden> q+]
16:00:28 <greggvanderheiden> q+
16:00:41 <Andi> ack ]
16:00:57 <Andi> ack gregg
16:01:58 <Zakim> +Judy
16:02:35 <Loic> q?
16:02:42 <MaryJo> WCAG does have a definition of 'viewport', so we could use that term in this definition.
16:02:57 <MaryJo> However, a 'viewport' is very narrow in its definition.
16:03:34 <Mike_P> q+
16:04:28 <MaryJo> As viewport is defined, it is any user interface object present content so it could be a single textbox.
16:05:11 <MaryJo> So 'viewport' is not a good term to use.
16:05:30 <Mike_P> q-
16:05:55 <greggvanderheiden> https://sites.google.com/site/wcag2ict/cross-cutting-issues-and-notes/remaining-3-scs
16:06:23 <MaryJo> Need task force members to look at the content in the above link and comment on it. Send comments to Gregg.
16:06:37 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
16:06:41 <BBailey> thanks
16:06:44 <Zakim> -Loic_Martinez_Normand
16:06:46 <Zakim> -MaryJo
16:06:47 <Zakim> -Kiran_Kaja
16:07:11 <Zakim> -Bruce_Bailey
16:07:12 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald
16:07:12 <Andi> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:07:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see Mike_Pluke, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Janina (muted), Judy
16:07:18 <MaryJo> The survey on these definitions will remain open for the next meeting.
16:07:32 <Andi> we will meet Tuesday but not Friday of next week
16:08:22 <janina> OK, leaving now ...
16:08:27 <Zakim> -Janina
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16:08:36 <MaryJo> s/OK, leaving now ...//
16:08:51 <MaryJo> rrsagent, make minutes
16:08:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/16-wcag2ict-minutes.html MaryJo
16:10:19 <Zakim> -Judy
16:10:43 <Zakim> +Judy
16:11:01 <Zakim> +??P9
16:31:10 <Zakim> -Judy
16:31:46 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
16:33:28 <Zakim> -Andi_Snow_Weaver
16:33:30 <Zakim> -Gregg_Vanderheiden
16:33:31 <Zakim> -Mike_Pluke
16:33:31 <Zakim> WAI_(WCAG2ICT)10:00AM has ended
16:33:32 <Zakim> Attendees were Gregg_Vanderheiden, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Janina, Mike_Pluke, MaryJo, Loic_Martinez_Normand, Alex_Li, Kiran_Kaja, Judy, David_MacDonald, Bruce_Bailey, Michael_Cooper
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16:36:33 <MaryJo> s/'q+//
16:47:40 <MaryJo> rrsagent, make minutes
16:47:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/16-wcag2ict-minutes.html MaryJo
16:48:16 <MaryJo> s/`q+//
16:48:49 <MaryJo> regrets: Peter_Korn
16:48:55 <MaryJo> rrsagent, make minutes
16:48:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/16-wcag2ict-minutes.html MaryJo