IRC log of webandauto on 2012-11-15

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rrsagent, pointer?
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07:49:06 [Alan]
Meeting: Shifting Into High Gear on the Web - Day 2
07:49:45 [Alan]
Chair: Dave & Adam
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08:06:17 [Alan]
Adam: Introduction of Roger Lanco (Strategy Analytics)
08:06:23 [Alan]
scribe?
08:06:40 [marie]
scribe: marie
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08:07:24 [Alan]
s/Lanco/Lanctot/
08:07:26 [bgidon]
Roger: Strategy Analytics intro
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08:07:45 [bgidon]
... multi platform environments, domains
08:08:07 [marie]
scribenick: bgidon
08:08:11 [bgidon]
... user experience expertise
08:08:25 [bgidon]
... labs to do research
08:08:40 [bgidon]
... very practical activities
08:09:03 [marie]
[The Big Picture]
08:09:04 [bgidon]
...the big picture
08:09:15 [bgidon]
..enhance the driving experience
08:09:39 [bgidon]
[the car is a "persistent inquiry]
08:10:56 [bgidon]
[Beyond the icon]
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08:11:29 [bgidon]
Roger: experience with Android car last week in California
08:11:50 [bgidon]
...we think we already pass that Icon interface
08:12:00 [marie]
s/pass/passed
08:12:26 [bgidon]
...what's next, next experience
08:12:39 [bgidon]
... the details
08:12:45 [marie]
[infotainment design trends]
08:13:05 [bgidon]
Roger: we are in gen 4
08:13:27 [bgidon]
...hybrid solution
08:14:01 [marie]
[MyFord Touch; 4th gen segment leader?]
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08:14:39 [bgidon]
... Ford solution to allow user's phone usage
08:15:27 [bgidon]
...sync solution
08:15:51 [timeless_scribe]
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08:16:02 [bgidon]
...hybrid soltion connected phone and on board systems
08:16:16 [Alan]
s/soltion/solution/
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08:16:23 [marie]
[Tier 1 suppliers]
08:16:50 [bgidon]
Roger: Software/services companies growing in this market
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s/scribe?//
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08:17:22 [marie]
[the automotive cloud has arrived]
08:17:25 [dsr]
present+ Dave_Raggett
08:18:08 [bgidon]
... 3G, LTE is on the way, we have all the technology on the table to develop consumer experience
08:18:25 [bgidon]
...social networking acess is also there
08:18:34 [marie]
s/acess/access
08:19:27 [bgidon]
...the car connnectivity in the car will be monetized
08:19:56 [timeless_scribe]
present+ Adam_Abramski, Andy_Gryc, Boris_Geller, Burkhard_Mayer, Christian_Müller, Diana_Cheng, Josh_Soref, Marcin_Hanclik, Marie-Claire_Forgue, Maximilian_Michel, Mikko_Ylinen, Oliver_Novakovic, Philipp_Hoschka, Roger_C_Lanctot, Ryuji_Wakikawa, Shinjiro_Urata, Simon_Isenberg, Alex_Ajao, Ludovic_Alidra, Kazuyuki_Ashimura, Daniel_Austin, Matthias_Bezold, J_Alan_Bird, Youngwoo_Choi, Chris, _Delaney, Michael_Feld, Peter_Gaus, [CUT]
08:20:17 [bgidon]
...cennectivity will provide more services to customers
08:20:22 [marie]
(anticipating pbs is the key - not selling the apps)
08:20:25 [timeless_scribe]
present+ Petter_Graff, William_Greenly, Magnus_Gunnarsson, Prashanth_Halady, Tatsuhiko_Hirabayashi, Raymond_Hoogendoorn, Hiroshi_Ito, HyungJin_Jeon, Woochul_Jung, Kazuhiro_Kitagawa, Haruhiko_Kondo, Pavel_Konopelko, Amy_Leeland, Mitsunori_Maru, Markus_Muenkler, Tsuguo_Nobe, Magnus_Olsson, Nils_Oppermann, Justin_(JongSeon)_Park, Erik_Pellemeier, Scott_Pennock, Alejandro_Piñeiro_Iglesias, Thomas_Rottach, Shigeyuki_Sakazawa, Cheree[CUT]
08:20:37 [timeless_scribe]
s/Sebastian_//
08:20:41 [marie]
s/cennectivity/connectivity
08:20:55 [timeless_scribe]
present+ Sebastian_Speiser, Marius_Spika, Roman_Steiger, Tatsuaki_Takahashi, Jean-Marc_Temmos, Naomi_Yoshizawa, Roberto_Zompi
08:20:55 [bgidon]
... voice in te car: early phase for now
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08:21:06 [marie]
s/te/the
08:21:44 [dsr]
rrsagent, set logs public
08:21:51 [bgidon]
...demo experience on voice environment
08:22:07 [marie]
... my message is "please think outsidethe box"
08:22:26 [marie]
s/outsidethe/outside the
08:22:26 [marie]
[HMI trends]
08:23:08 [bgidon]
...HMI: touch screens, sensors, language voice
08:23:36 [bgidon]
... natual language to connect services
08:24:22 [marie]
[connecting the car: the details]
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s|s/Sebastian_//||
08:24:51 [marie]
s/natual/natural
08:24:56 [bgidon]
... Displays in the car
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present- Cheree[CUT]
08:25:12 [bgidon]
...driver distraction
08:25:36 [bgidon]
...some discussion in US about displays
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present+ Cheree_Anne_Schepp, Paul_Slattery
08:26:08 [bgidon]
...3G/LTE for CRM.VRM on the way
08:26:43 [bgidon]
...Iphone integration with BMW/Mini
08:26:53 [timeless_scribe]
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s/... Displays/Roger: Displays/
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08:27:10 [marie]
[Connectivity ECU-OEM]
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s/marie/scribe/
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08:28:06 [bgidon]
...connectivity ECU: forecast: 100$ in 2011, $75 in 2019
08:28:18 [timeless_scribe]
s/...HMI:/Roger: HMI:/
08:28:43 [bgidon]
...LTE forecast
08:28:51 [timeless_scribe]
s/... my message/Roger: my message/
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08:29:04 [bgidon]
...Telematics ECU
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s/...connectivity/Roger: connectivity/
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08:30:27 [bgidon]
Roger: OEM display deployment
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s/te car/the car/
08:30:49 [bgidon]
[OEM Display Deployment]
08:31:27 [bgidon]
Roger: everything will be merged in the car
08:31:44 [bgidon]
[OEM Headunit]
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s/...the big picture/Roger: the big picture/
08:32:03 [bgidon]
Roger: enhance the audio experience
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08:32:32 [bgidon]
...Harman is focusing on the audio experience
08:32:54 [bgidon]
...from CD to high quality audio experience
08:33:31 [bgidon]
...Digital radio is coming
08:33:44 [bgidon]
[OEM Digital Radio]
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s/... user experience expertise/Roger: user experience expertise/
08:34:34 [bgidon]
Roger: Radio and some info services part of Nissan services
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s/ scribenick: bgidon//
08:34:47 [bgidon]
...Sirius experience
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s|s/ scribenick: bgidon//|
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s/scribenick: bgidon//
08:35:10 [timeless_scribe]
i/Strategy Analytics intro/scribenick: bgidon/
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08:35:30 [bgidon]
[Must have Infotainment-Western Europe]
08:36:07 [bgidon]
Roger: Smarphone presence in the car
08:36:39 [bgidon]
[Smarphone's impact on the in-Vehicle Experience]
08:37:33 [bgidon]
Roger: BMW experience
08:37:41 [bgidon]
...safety is the key
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s/(anticipating/Roger: (anticipating/
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s/marie/scribe/
08:38:09 [bgidon]
[Interest in Connected Services: US & Western Europe]
08:38:50 [timeless_scribe]
s/... 3G, LTE is/Roger: 3G, LTE is/
08:38:56 [timeless_scribe]
s/marie/scribe/
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s/marie/scribe/
08:39:10 [bgidon]
Roger: Facebook and Twitter: main usage is access to the data
08:39:29 [bgidon]
[Mobile Phone Usage]
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s/... Ford solution/Roger: Ford solution/
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08:40:33 [bgidon]
[Car Connectivity a Mobile Mess]
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08:41:10 [bgidon]
Roger: Nobody is doing right
08:42:03 [timeless_scribe]
s/Iphone/iPhone/
08:42:08 [bgidon]
...don't see what is in the market today
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s/scribe: marie/scribe: scribes/
08:43:11 [bgidon]
[MyFord Touch-Coming to China]
08:43:51 [timeless_scribe]
i|Strategy Analytics intro|Topic: Strategy Analytics - Car trends/forecasts|
08:43:57 [bgidon]
[GM CUE]
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08:44:32 [bgidon]
Roger: UI comments, usability of the icons ?
08:44:41 [dsr]
icons are a step backward
08:45:23 [bgidon]
...and Now the videos !
08:45:45 [timeless_scribe]
[ RLink Video ]
08:45:50 [timeless_scribe]
s/timeless_scribe/scribe/
08:45:50 [marie]
[R-link Renault video]
08:46:18 [dsr]
no access to the CAN bus
08:46:27 [timeless_scribe]
s/dsr/scribe/
08:46:32 [timeless_scribe]
s/no access/Roger: no access/
08:46:36 [dsr]
you have to purchase the apps, but the service is free
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s/dsr/scribe/
08:47:11 [timeless_scribe]
s/you have/... you have/
08:47:17 [bgidon]
Roger: Renault Zoe apps video
08:47:54 [bgidon]
...RLink, you are not able to connect your phone to the system
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08:48:01 [dsr]
you don't want an app system you can only use in the car
08:48:08 [timeless_scribe]
s/dsr/scribe/
08:48:12 [timeless_scribe]
s/you don't/... you don't/
08:48:42 [bgidon]
...you need to be able to manage in the car and out the car usage, don't lock the environment
08:49:16 [timeless_scribe]
s/marie/scribe/
08:49:35 [dsr]
...Like Renault, Chrysler also wants to monetize via app store
08:50:14 [dsr]
...[Chrysler video]
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s/dsr/scribe/
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s/dsr/scribe/
08:51:08 [bgidon]
[Video: Uconnect]
08:51:16 [dsr]
...4 solutions, 3 of which uses the phone for connectivity
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s/dsr/scribe/
08:51:54 [bgidon]
[The future of HMI-Too Convential]
08:53:04 [bgidon]
[Touch Screens & Voices Forecast]
08:53:46 [bgidon]
Roger: voice recognition evolution
08:54:08 [bgidon]
[Car Makers Need]
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Roger: in the car you are a persitent query
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s/tent/stent/
08:56:08 [bgidon]
...s/query/inquiry/
08:56:47 [bgidon]
Q&A session
08:57:34 [bgidon]
Roger: LTE usage
08:58:26 [bgidon]
DSR: Icon experience ?
08:59:23 [bgidon]
Roger: all the content running in the background
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s/Icon experience/you said icons are the past, what do you think is the future?/
09:01:03 [dsr]
Answer: services that run in the background anticipating and adapting to your needs.
09:02:08 [bgidon]
Roger: Some works in progress
09:03:23 [bgidon]
...software is the solution to the different market needs
09:04:29 [kaz]
kaz: what kind of mechanism is used for modality integration?
09:04:37 [kaz]
... proprietary ones?
09:04:59 [kaz]
roger: nuance should be proprietary
09:06:16 [bgidon]
Roger: Android in the car as a container
09:06:41 [bgidon]
...CloudCar solution
09:07:23 [bgidon]
...regarding Apps, at the end need to control the content
09:07:45 [timeless]
scribenick: timeless
09:07:53 [timeless]
Adam: thank you Roger
09:07:56 [timeless]
[ Applause ]
09:08:10 [timeless]
Adam: without delaying further
09:08:17 [timeless]
... our next presenter is from Vodafone
09:08:26 [timeless]
... can we bring up diana's slides from vodafone
09:08:47 [timeless]
Topic: Is it time to power Infotainment and Car Portal Applications with HTML5 and Device APIs?
09:08:55 [timeless]
dcheng3: Good morning
09:09:01 [timeless]
... i'm a little ill, so no questions
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[ Diana Cheng - R&D, Web Expert ]
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dcheng3: i'm a member of the DAP WG
09:09:44 [timeless]
... and recently joined SysApps as well
09:09:52 [timeless]
... i'm here w/ markus muenkler
09:10:28 [timeless]
[ Contents ]
09:10:41 [timeless]
dcheng3: Introduction: Status of the automotive app ecosystem
09:10:52 [timeless]
... Web technologies as an enabler for Automotive
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... Readiness of Web technologies: What is missing?
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... Deep Dive into the enabling HTML5 features
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... Conclusions: Key takeaways
09:11:25 [timeless]
[ The automotive technology ecosystem ]
09:11:33 [timeless]
dcheng3: it's fragmented
09:11:41 [timeless]
... we start to see BlackBerry Tablets in cars
09:11:48 [timeless]
[ The Web Technology Ecosystem ]
09:11:54 [timeless]
dcheng3: I'm using HTML5 broadly
09:12:02 [timeless]
... a lot of web technologies aren't part of HTML%
09:12:04 [timeless]
s/%/5/
09:12:10 [timeless]
... I'm using it as an umbrella term
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... We use it
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... and we have to do some adaptation for different targets
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... but it's still easier
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... With a web application, you can immediately push updates
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... For Web Applications
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... mobile browsers support HTML5 to some extent
09:13:04 [timeless]
... they're supposed to support something, but it isn't that good
09:13:08 [timeless]
[ Web - So what's new? ]
09:13:12 [timeless]
dcheng3: new web platforms
09:13:19 [timeless]
... starting to integrate more w/ the underlying platforms
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.. Tizen / Firefox OS
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s/../.../
09:13:36 [timeless]
... more access to underlying data/hardware
09:13:39 [timeless]
... the native gap is closing
09:13:48 [timeless]
[ Are HTML5 and Browser-based APIs ready? ]
09:13:55 [timeless]
dcheng3: we have the question is HTML5 ready?
09:13:58 [timeless]
... it depends on the UC
09:14:03 [timeless]
... for the FT
09:14:14 [timeless]
... if you see it on the iPad or tablet, it's a really good experience
09:14:26 [timeless]
... mobile web app from Facebook is still a really good app
09:14:31 [timeless]
... it's close enough to a native feel
09:14:36 [timeless]
... what do we need for Automotive?
09:14:41 [timeless]
... do we need all the power of native?
09:14:46 [timeless]
... probably not, most don't need it
09:14:51 [timeless]
... what needs to improve in HTML5?
09:14:59 [timeless]
[ Automotive Requirements: 2 Main Fronts ]
09:15:05 [timeless]
dcheng3: there are a number of areas
09:15:10 [timeless]
... automotive can include user at home
09:15:16 [timeless]
... wanting to send driving directions from PC
09:15:20 [timeless]
... it's easier to search from home
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... so some sync needs to be there
09:15:32 [timeless]
... speech recognition with offline support
09:15:41 [timeless]
... cellular connectivity can't be guaranteed
09:15:45 [timeless]
... Text-to-speech
09:15:51 [timeless]
... incoming notifications/traffic notifications
09:15:56 [timeless]
... Navigation/Routing
09:16:06 [timeless]
... if we want apps in the car, we want them to be installable and easily upgradable
09:16:23 [timeless]
... [Those were in-vehicle ]
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... [Mobile Car Portals ]
09:16:39 [timeless]
... If there's car sharing in the family
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... the main driver could receive notifications if someone else is using the car
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... and there's an accident
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... and access to the camera
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... take a photo of a license plate and upload it to the web
09:17:22 [timeless]
[ IVI Applications - Session Handover (1/2) ]
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dcheng3: you leave your vehicle
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... and you want to continue listening to the music
09:17:48 [timeless]
... or you park your car in a spot, and you need to walk to the destination
09:18:00 [timeless]
... your walking directions could be synced to your phone
09:18:03 [timeless]
[ IVI Applications - Session Handover (2/2) ]
09:18:07 [timeless]
dcheng3: we need notifications to devices
09:18:15 [timeless]
... native platforms have Android C2DM/GCM
09:18:19 [timeless]
... Apple has APNS
09:18:23 [timeless]
... BlackBerry Push
09:18:32 [timeless]
... they all have restrictions
09:18:37 [timeless]
... Android has Message Quota
09:18:43 [timeless]
... iOS has no ads allowed
09:18:49 [timeless]
... -- Web Push
09:18:54 [timeless]
... We have a way in HTML5
09:18:59 [timeless]
... Server Sent Events
09:19:09 [timeless]
... - 1 way push, push standard dom events, no specific implementation needed
09:19:14 [timeless]
... integrated in the browser
09:19:18 [timeless]
... WebSockets
09:19:28 [timeless]
... - bidirectional channel between a server and a web app
09:19:38 [timeless]
... good for sending / receiving updates from the server as well
09:19:49 [timeless]
... if you leave the vehicle and your phone receives a notification
09:19:56 [timeless]
... the user needs to start the application manually
09:20:08 [timeless]
... there's limited support for these technologies in mobile browsers
09:20:25 [timeless]
... - I had to use a polyfill to see if WebSockets are supported and if not, fall back to XHR
09:20:37 [timeless]
[ IVI Applications - Speech Recognition ]
09:20:42 [timeless]
dcheng3: we need speech recognition
09:20:50 [timeless]
... a lot of solutions offer `good` cdapabilities
09:20:52 [timeless]
s/cd/c/
09:20:59 [timeless]
... HTML 5 Speech Input
09:21:06 [timeless]
... there was a spec from the Speech XG
09:21:28 [timeless]
... there was a proposal to do best effort recognition, just as GeoLocation does
09:21:38 [timeless]
... there was a proposal for a new W3C WG for it
09:21:44 [timeless]
... there was minimal adoption
09:21:57 [timeless]
... only webkit, and it requires sending it to network service
09:21:59 [kaz]
i/there was a proposal/[ actually, it is a CG ]/
09:22:16 [timeless]
... breaks the offline support requirement
09:22:27 [timeless]
[ IVI Applications - Text-to-Speech ]
09:22:31 [timeless]
dcheng3: we need text-to-speech as well
09:22:43 [timeless]
... you need realtime directions
09:22:55 [timeless]
... there are apis you can embed in your web apps, e.g. Google Translate
09:22:59 [timeless]
... there's no standard
09:23:05 [timeless]
... and those require network connections
09:23:15 [timeless]
... some proposals...
09:23:22 [timeless]
[ IVI Applications - Navigation (1/2) ]
09:23:28 [timeless]
dcheng3: a lot of sophisticated devices
09:23:31 [timeless]
... tom-toms, etc.
09:23:37 [timeless]
... HTML5 covers many of the requirements
09:23:43 [timeless]
... GPS via GeoLocation
09:23:56 [timeless]
... watchPosition() so you get updates
09:24:05 [timeless]
... WebWorkers for route calculations
09:24:10 [timeless]
... - but requires more mobile support
09:24:27 [timeless]
... Offline requirement?
09:24:32 [timeless]
... - having navigation without connectivity
09:24:38 [timeless]
[ IVI Applications - Navigation (2/2) ]
09:24:43 [timeless]
dcheng3: how do we create offline applications
09:24:49 [timeless]
... how do we access maps previously loaded?
09:24:56 [timeless]
... AppCache - something that could help us
09:25:05 [timeless]
... - `widely documented to be a bit rubbish`
09:25:26 [timeless]
... if one element that you tried to get fails to download, you revert to the previous version
09:25:39 [timeless]
... WebStorage: Small quota, storage of binary assets is not easy
09:25:47 [timeless]
... has performance issues
09:25:56 [timeless]
... because it's a synchronous
09:26:01 [timeless]
s/nous/nous API/
09:26:05 [timeless]
... Other APIs exist
09:26:10 [timeless]
... but they're making slow progress
09:26:14 [timeless]
... IndexedDB
09:26:43 [timeless]
... has desktop implementation, but no mobile implementations
09:26:50 [timeless]
... WebSQL was implemented in mobile browsers
09:27:02 [timeless]
... but i haven't seen information if new mobile browsers support it
09:27:09 [timeless]
... there's FileSystem/File Writer
09:27:14 [timeless]
... from Google, but Mozilla doesn't like it
09:27:18 [timeless]
... there's no locking
09:27:28 [timeless]
... Mozilla created their own File System API
09:27:33 [timeless]
... which extends IndexedDB
09:27:36 [timeless]
... there's fragmentation
09:27:46 [timeless]
... and no acceptance of existing proposals
09:27:56 [timeless]
[ IVI Applications - Installable Applications ]
09:28:00 [timeless]
dcheng3: W3C Widgets
09:28:08 [timeless]
... no mechanism to automatically update
09:28:20 [timeless]
... lose advantage of updates re hosted apps
09:28:26 [timeless]
... w3c widgets aren't popular
09:28:33 [timeless]
... Google has their own, Mozilla has their own
09:28:39 [timeless]
... fragmentation needs to be addressed
09:28:49 [timeless]
... need to get people to converge
09:29:07 [timeless]
... PhoneGap as an alternative
09:29:12 [timeless]
... (now Apache Cordova)
09:29:18 [timeless]
... you can push updates to native stores
09:29:25 [timeless]
... it's a workaround, it's an open source project
09:29:28 [timeless]
... not a standard
09:29:33 [timeless]
[ Car Portals ]
09:29:39 [timeless]
dcheng3: UC Insurance
09:29:45 [timeless]
... we have a dongle that goes in a car
09:29:52 [timeless]
... right now it's mostly static data
09:29:56 [timeless]
... it has a Global SIM
09:30:03 [timeless]
... so the user can move freely throughout Europe
09:30:09 [timeless]
... it has GPS, Accelerometer
09:30:15 [timeless]
... to log trips of user
09:30:19 [timeless]
... log driving behavior
09:30:24 [timeless]
... see if there's harsh breaking
09:30:31 [timeless]
... The Mobile Web interface looks like this
09:30:38 [timeless]
[ --Picture-- ]
09:30:44 [timeless]
[ Car Portals ]
09:30:49 [timeless]
dcheng3: you can locate your car
09:30:52 [timeless]
... see your current position
09:30:56 [timeless]
... you can zoom in
09:30:59 [timeless]
... get directions
09:31:01 [timeless]
[ Car Portals ]
09:31:05 [timeless]
dcheng3: receive error messages
09:31:11 [timeless]
... from the dashboard
09:31:21 [timeless]
... we calculate a Green score, and an insurance driving score
09:31:32 [timeless]
[ Car Portals ]
09:31:38 [timeless]
dcheng3: i have the application, i can show it
09:31:43 [timeless]
... it behaves in modern mobile browsers
09:31:46 [timeless]
... Chrome for Android
09:31:52 [timeless]
... it behaves very nicely
09:32:00 [timeless]
... not so much so for Android 2.3 browser
09:32:06 [timeless]
... - issues w/ performance
09:32:14 [timeless]
[ Car Portals - Map Visualization ]
09:32:17 [timeless]
dcheng3: we embed maps
09:32:21 [timeless]
... there are lots of apis
09:32:25 [timeless]
... Nokia Maps, Google Maps
09:32:30 [timeless]
... you can make rich UIs
09:32:40 [timeless]
... Touch requirements for mobile
09:32:47 [timeless]
... it doesn't work very well in slightly stale browsers
09:32:50 [timeless]
... Android 2.3 is poor
09:33:02 [timeless]
... no pinch to zoom, double tap- nothing [useful] happens - the page jumps
09:33:14 [timeless]
... `overflow:auto` problem
09:33:24 [timeless]
... you can't scroll the content in the middle if you have fixed element content
09:33:31 [timeless]
... Android 2.3/older iOS Safari
09:33:39 [timeless]
... you have this problem
09:33:49 [timeless]
... you can find polyfill with CSS Transformations
09:33:52 [timeless]
... but it hurts performance
09:33:58 [timeless]
... it's an implementation issue, not a standards issue
09:34:07 [timeless]
... not sure about the story of pushing updates to older platforms
09:34:14 [timeless]
... going forward, we want to avoid these issues
09:34:21 [timeless]
[ Car Portals - Real-time Notifications ]
09:34:26 [timeless]
dcheng3: we want to send notifications
09:34:31 [timeless]
... if there's a crash/heart break
09:34:43 [timeless]
... native apps have status bar which grabs user attention
09:34:51 [timeless]
... important for emergency alerts
09:34:58 [timeless]
... we don't have them in mobile
09:35:07 [timeless]
... there's web notifications
09:35:14 [timeless]
Josh_Soref: BlackBerry PlayBook has it
09:35:20 [timeless]
dcheng3: most mobile browsers don't support it
09:35:33 [timeless]
... not good for getting user's attention
09:35:39 [timeless]
... Vibration API
09:35:44 [timeless]
... to couple w/ Real-time notifications
09:35:55 [timeless]
... -it's coming to mobile browsers
09:36:06 [timeless]
[ Key Take-aways (1/3) ]
09:36:10 [timeless]
dcheng3:a lot is covered
09:36:16 [timeless]
... we need to work to fix some
09:36:23 [timeless]
... for enterprise... UVI UC
09:36:49 [timeless]
... this technology enables `fast to mmarket`
09:36:51 [timeless]
s/mm/m/
09:36:57 [timeless]
... and target a wide range of users
09:37:02 [timeless]
[ Key Take-aways (2/3) ]
09:37:04 [timeless]
[ Key Take-aways (3/3) ]
09:37:18 [timeless]
dcheng3: need to agree on storage mechanism for large data
09:37:24 [timeless]
... WebSQL on mobile?
09:37:27 [timeless]
... IndexedDB?
09:37:31 [timeless]
... FileSystem API?
09:37:38 [timeless]
... what about building something on IndexedDB instead?
09:37:46 [timeless]
... it seems to have the underlying performance
09:37:50 [timeless]
... browsers need to support it
09:38:01 [timeless]
... Broader support for WebSockets - mobile browsers aren't there yet
09:38:06 [timeless]
... fragmentation in Web Packaging
09:38:19 [timeless]
... either changes to W3C Packaging,
09:38:25 [timeless]
... or get convergence from Browser vendors
09:38:36 [timeless]
... Need to standardize something for Text-to-speech
09:38:43 [timeless]
... with best effort and fallback to embedded solution
09:38:51 [timeless]
... best performance if connectivity is available
09:39:00 [timeless]
... Similar for Speech-recognition
09:39:05 [timeless]
[ Questions? ]
09:39:11 [timeless]
dcheng3: that's it
09:39:14 [timeless]
[ Applause ]
09:39:33 [timeless]
ph: very nice talk about what's there
09:39:36 [timeless]
... and where the gaps are
09:39:42 [timeless]
... we see a lot of stuff is available/can be used
09:39:47 [timeless]
... things need to be pushed further
09:39:51 [timeless]
... The dongle you showed?
09:39:55 [timeless]
... is that something only you can use?
09:40:00 [timeless]
... or can others use the data?
09:40:10 [timeless]
dcheng3: atm, we have a company that gathers the data in the backend
09:40:17 [timeless]
... and making it friendly
09:40:20 [timeless]
... and there's a REST api
09:40:26 [timeless]
... but it isn't so open yet, no.
09:40:38 [timeless]
Adam: thank you dcheng3
09:40:41 [timeless]
[ Applause ]
09:41:02 [timeless]
Topic: KDDDI's position for Web and Automotive issues
09:41:18 [timeless]
shigeyuki: Shigeyuki Sakazawa, KDDI corporation
09:41:20 [timeless]
[ Agenda ]
09:41:26 [timeless]
shigeyuki: introduction of KDDI
09:41:30 [timeless]
... seamless service concept
09:41:38 [timeless]
... connecting vehicle and smart phone
09:41:51 [timeless]
[ About KDDI ]
09:41:58 [timeless]
shigeyuki: KDDI is a japanese telecom carrier
09:42:11 [timeless]
... mobile telecom, fiber-to-the-home, tele com solutions
09:42:16 [timeless]
... content services and banking
09:42:35 [timeless]
s/shigeyuki/sakazawa/
09:42:36 [timeless]
s/shigeyuki/sakazawa/
09:42:50 [timeless]
[ KDDI's Convergence Strategy ]
09:42:57 [timeless]
sakazawa: multi-use
09:43:07 [timeless]
... WiMAX, 4G, cable-to-home
09:43:22 [timeless]
... Vehicle issues
09:43:32 [timeless]
... application + content services
09:43:36 [timeless]
[ Seamless service concept ]
09:43:44 [timeless]
sakazawa: we'd like to realize seamless service
09:43:52 [timeless]
... service anytime, anywhere, any-device
09:43:59 [timeless]
... service on a personalized basis
09:44:04 [timeless]
... service with more pleasure
09:44:15 [timeless]
... during an event: watching video, shopping, driving
09:44:22 [timeless]
... - including before/after event
09:44:32 [timeless]
... For driving-event
09:44:45 [timeless]
... Make driving plan and download maps (@home)
09:45:07 [timeless]
... Maps/music/other data downloaded in your smartphone (@driving)
09:45:14 [timeless]
... search nearby (@cafe)
09:45:28 [timeless]
... restaurants, shops, other data (@driving)
09:45:33 [timeless]
... - driving is part of our life
09:45:40 [timeless]
... want to connect everyday life to event
09:45:50 [timeless]
[ Requirements for seamless service ]
09:46:01 [timeless]
sakazawa: contents & Apps ubiquitous use
09:46:05 [timeless]
... vehicle personalization
09:46:07 [timeless]
... seamless networking
09:46:11 [timeless]
[ Functions to be realized ]
09:46:18 [timeless]
sakazawa: contents and apps ubiquitous use
09:46:24 [timeless]
... - speaker out of music from smartphone
09:46:31 [timeless]
... show a navigation map stored from smartphone
09:46:42 [timeless]
... recall address book from the phone and display on headunit
09:46:46 [timeless]
.. - to make a phone call
09:46:52 [timeless]
... Vehicle personalization
09:47:00 [timeless]
... personalize various settings for a rental-car
09:47:10 [timeless]
... and erase personal information from shared car
09:47:16 [timeless]
... tune User Interface
09:47:30 [timeless]
... not just menu appearance, but also speech recognition
09:47:46 [timeless]
[ Functions to be realized ]
09:47:52 [timeless]
sakazawa: seamless networking
09:48:03 [timeless]
... continue streaming and sequential update
09:48:10 [timeless]
... prefetch heavy data before
09:48:19 [timeless]
[ Characteristics of headunit/phone ]
09:48:23 [timeless]
sakazawa: all-in-one head unit
09:48:28 [timeless]
... smartphone
09:48:36 [timeless]
... hybrid smartphone + head-unit
09:49:04 [timeless]
... - low cost, up to date service, high usability
09:49:08 [timeless]
s/-/+
09:49:15 [timeless]
... - high standardization required
09:49:24 [timeless]
[ two approaches for hybrid ]
09:49:33 [timeless]
sakazawa: Display Image Transfer - MirrorLink
09:49:41 [timeless]
... distributed processing
09:49:46 [timeless]
... apps run on headunit
09:49:53 [timeless]
.. headunit+phone share processing
09:50:07 [timeless]
[ KDDI's prototype - Web Infotainment ]
09:50:12 [timeless]
sakazawa: phone works as web server
09:50:17 [timeless]
... head unit loads app and runs it
09:50:27 [timeless]
[ Structure of webserver on phone ]
09:50:48 [timeless]
sakazawa: phone: storage (media, web app, hmi), rpc, websocket server, http server, ssdp server
09:51:16 [timeless]
... Head unit (HMI, web apps (navi, maps, multimodal), browser (ssdp, devicce api -> CAN))
09:51:36 [timeless]
[ Relationship to functional requirements ]
09:51:47 [timeless]
sakazawa: this configuration satisfies some functional requirements
09:51:53 [timeless]
... contents + apps ubiquitous use
09:52:07 [timeless]
.. storage access to content (media content is stored in phone, can be routed to head unit)
09:52:11 [timeless]
s/../.../
09:52:17 [timeless]
... native functions can be accessed from head unit
09:52:30 [timeless]
... web application in phone is personalized
09:52:35 [timeless]
... seamless networking
09:52:43 [timeless]
... storage area as cache/pre-fetch data
09:52:46 [timeless]
[ Demo ]
09:52:59 [timeless]
sakazawa: demo in Wireless Japan 2012
09:53:04 [timeless]
... article (in japanese)
09:53:15 [timeless]
[ Future activities ]
09:53:37 [timeless]
sakazawa: this is the wrong presentation
09:53:44 [timeless]
... marie will upload this slide
09:53:58 [timeless]
... we connect the smartphone and head unit
09:54:17 [timeless]
... head unit has navigation service
09:54:21 [timeless]
[ Future activities ]
09:54:39 [timeless]
sakazawa: standardization
09:54:54 [timeless]
... service discovery including privacy issues related to DAP WG (Web Intents)
09:55:04 [timeless]
... Create new value for users = Amazing Apps
09:55:18 [timeless]
... next generation context aware and personalized navigation
09:55:31 [timeless]
... multimodal apps + AI like a "Knight Rider"
09:55:46 [timeless]
... user could interact with the car
09:55:49 [timeless]
... that's our dream
09:55:57 [timeless]
[ Thank you. ]
09:55:59 [timeless]
[ Applause ]
09:56:04 [timeless]
Adam: questions?
09:56:20 [timeless]
takahashi: Takahashi, Mitsubishi Electric
09:56:33 [timeless]
... your structure seems similar to ACCESS's HaaP
09:58:47 [timeless]
marie: we uploaded your slides
09:58:50 [timeless]
... you can try again
09:58:58 [timeless]
[ Slides with picture ]
09:59:03 [timeless]
sakazawa: there's a smartphone and a headunit
09:59:07 [timeless]
... connected using WiFi-direct
09:59:14 [timeless]
... smartphone with restaurant destination
09:59:24 [timeless]
[ Personalization of appearance of headunit ]
09:59:31 [timeless]
[ Accessing smartphone content - from headunit ]
09:59:51 [timeless]
[ Buying theater ticket near destination ]
10:00:06 [timeless]
sakazawa: accessed at headunit using smartphone to website
10:00:08 [timeless]
[ Applause ]
10:00:12 [timeless]
Adam: 15 minute break
10:00:25 [timeless]
... we want to take a group photo after the break
10:21:05 [timeless]
Topic: Vistion: Web and Automotive
10:21:17 [timeless]
temmos: Jean-Marc Temmos
10:21:20 [timeless]
... Hello everybody
10:21:33 [Alan]
s/Vistion/Visteon/g
10:21:35 [timeless]
... yesterday I used a small script to compile and extract all the words from the position papers for this workshop
10:21:49 [timeless]
... the good news is that web and automotive are the biggest word
10:22:03 [timeless]
... w3c and api are smaller
10:22:08 [timeless]
[ Plan ]
10:22:19 [timeless]
temmos: a brief overview of Visteon
10:22:23 [timeless]
... HMI designc hallenges
10:22:29 [timeless]
... - tools and process
10:22:31 [timeless]
s/gnc/gn/
10:22:38 [timeless]
... - bring new features to the user
10:22:48 [timeless]
... Some hints for improvement
10:22:52 [timeless]
... - UI.Cockpit
10:22:56 [timeless]
... - Web technologies
10:23:03 [timeless]
... Expectations and recomendations
10:23:20 [timeless]
[ Visteon & HMI Innovation ]
10:23:32 [timeless]
temmos: Visteon is a Tier 1 automotive supplier
10:23:40 [timeless]
... we're mainly focused on new generation HMIs
10:23:44 [timeless]
... for car manufacturers
10:23:55 [timeless]
... we're working on transversal frameworks
10:24:04 [timeless]
... we're involved with collaborative projects/academics
10:24:11 [timeless]
... concept car software design and development
10:24:24 [timeless]
... we work closely w/ German Center of Innovation
10:24:35 [timeless]
... we're an American company and have centers in Detroit
10:24:42 [timeless]
[ Visteon & HMI Innovation ]
10:24:48 [timeless]
temmos: Visteon Genivi Involvement
10:24:56 [timeless]
... we're on the Board of Directors
10:24:58 [timeless]
... etc.
10:25:02 [timeless]
[ Tools and Process ]
10:25:13 [timeless]
temmos: problems designing, from prototype to embedded target
10:25:17 [timeless]
... Many platforms/libraries
10:25:21 [timeless]
... lots of target specific code
10:25:42 [timeless]
... arm/atom/x86; Qt/SVG/Air; OpenGL/OpenGLES/OpenVG; Linux/Windows/QNX
10:26:06 [timeless]
... many tools, many design softwares: Flash, HTML5, EBGuide, Altia, Vaps XT
10:26:12 [timeless]
... many experts in various domains
10:26:25 [timeless]
... - artists, designers, developers - they don't want to use the same tools
10:26:28 [timeless]
[ Tools and Process ]
10:26:34 [timeless]
temmos: logics / graphics unclear frontier
10:26:48 [timeless]
... between behavior(intelligence) of application and the graphics side(way to display to user)
10:26:54 [timeless]
... relating to Tools
10:26:56 [Test]
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... HTML - CSS for skinning/displaying
10:27:07 [timeless]
... JavaScript
10:27:17 [timeless]
... Vaps/EBGuide can embed state chart
10:27:21 [timeless]
... there's no clear frontier
10:27:37 [timeless]
... famous gap between development cycles (consumer electronic v. automotive)
10:27:52 [timeless]
... consortiums: Autosar, Genivi - new opportunities
10:27:56 [timeless]
... new constraints
10:28:03 [timeless]
... Technologies and standards change very fast
10:28:10 [timeless]
... Moblin -> MeeGo -> Tizen
10:28:26 [timeless]
... don't have to be early adopters, but have to follow
10:28:44 [timeless]
... EDonAp with Renault
10:28:59 [timeless]
... we have to be as technology agnostic as possible
10:29:12 [timeless]
... we have to use as much web tech as possible - it's cross platform, easier
10:29:18 [timeless]
... the set of skills required is quite limited
10:29:27 [timeless]
... as compared to the low level tools
10:29:38 [timeless]
[ Improvements for the user ]
10:29:42 [timeless]
temmos: Customization
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... Multimodal features
10:29:50 [timeless]
... context awareness
10:29:55 [timeless]
... open ended dynamic nature
10:29:57 [timeless]
[ Customization ]
10:30:02 [timeless]
temmos: Interface & personalization
10:30:07 [timeless]
... there's a Genivi group for it
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... there's an API for detecting where a user is sitting, what they're doing
10:30:37 [timeless]
... car re-design for new usages (car sharing, renting, auto-driving...)
10:30:54 [timeless]
... User settings and preferences should be retrieved from the smartphone
10:31:01 [timeless]
... "avoid before google mess for sync":
10:31:02 [dcheng3]
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... customization is more than just skinning for css
10:31:27 [timeless]
... Facebook addict? want Facebook menu
10:31:32 [timeless]
... if i'm not, i want something else
10:31:38 [timeless]
... not possible with css
10:31:49 [timeless]
[ Customization ]
10:31:55 [timeless]
temmos: Left pedal, right pedal
10:32:07 [timeless]
... left for entertainment, right for something else
10:32:11 [timeless]
[ Multi-modal ]
10:32:19 [timeless]
temmos: many screens and displays
10:32:21 [timeless]
... haptics
10:32:27 [timeless]
... speakers & microphone
10:32:41 [timeless]
... - microphone array can detect position (is it a passenger), remove noise
10:32:46 [timeless]
... heads down display
10:32:50 [timeless]
... heads up display
10:32:53 [timeless]
[ Multi-modal ]
10:32:57 [timeless_scribe]
scribenick: timeless_scribeeclusters & guages
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... off-board speech recognition in the cloud / onboard
10:33:08 [timeless_scribe]
... speech synthesis
10:33:25 [timeless_scribe]
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s/timeless_scribee/scribe/
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[ Context awareness ]
10:34:28 [timeless]
temmos: context aware applications for infotainment and ADAS UCs
10:34:31 [timeless]
... location based
10:34:35 [timeless]
... map enhanced/map enabled
10:34:44 [timeless]
... onboard/offboard seamless switching
10:34:52 [timeless]
... - very good speech recognition in cloud
10:35:04 [timeless]
... - when i lose the system, i don't want things to be completely different
10:35:23 [timeless]
... cache some info to prevent degradation when the service provider changes
10:35:31 [timeless]
... driver attention, driver state inference
10:35:34 [timeless]
RRSAgent, draft minutes
10:35:34 [RRSAgent]
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[ Open and Dynamic Architecture ]
10:36:01 [timeless]
temmos: we want the system to detect
10:36:05 [timeless]
... to support hot plug
10:36:09 [timeless]
... get content from car/phone
10:36:27 [timeless]
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10:36:43 [timeless]
RRSAgent, draft minutes
10:36:43 [RRSAgent]
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[ Open and Dynamic Architecture ]
10:37:03 [timeless]
teemos: seamless sync car->other (mobile, cloud)
10:37:07 [timeless]
... networking and web management
10:37:12 [timeless]
... integration w/ in car systems
10:37:22 [timeless]
... Machine to Machine (M2M) communication and Swarm Intelligence
10:37:47 [timeless]
s/clusters & guages/teemos: clusters & guages/
10:37:59 [timeless]
... onboard/offboard traffic
10:38:03 [timeless]
[ Open and Dynamic Architecture ]
10:38:16 [timeless]
teemos: in the past, hardware had to adapt
10:38:32 [timeless]
... in consumer industry, consumer wants new game, buys new console
10:38:39 [timeless]
... new model
10:38:49 [timeless]
... resources are ...
10:38:52 [timeless]
... consider task
10:38:54 [timeless]
... with agents
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... get to destination; ensure driving safely
10:39:13 [timeless]
... use modeling to derive hardware+software architecture
10:39:23 [timeless]
[ Open and Dynamic Architecture ]
10:39:26 [timeless]
s//[ Open and Dynamic Architecture ]/
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RRSAgent, draft minutes
10:39:30 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/15-webandauto-minutes.html timeless
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... this is the task of the D3Cos project
10:39:46 [timeless]
... they use tools for this
10:39:50 [timeless]
... safety norms are converging now
10:39:58 [timeless]
... dynamic architecture to ensure safety for pilot and driver
10:40:15 [timeless]
[ Open and Dynamic Architecture ]
10:40:20 [timeless]
teemos: design patterns
10:40:27 [timeless]
... we learn a lot from the XXX partners
10:40:41 [timeless]
... provide us with multimodal human interfaces
10:40:50 [timeless]
[ E-Bee concept car ]
10:41:17 [timeless]
s/EDonAp/E-Bee(?)/
10:41:32 [timeless]
teemos: built using Linux+Genivi
10:41:46 [timeless]
... it's shown @Electronika in Germany (ending today)
10:41:51 [timeless]
... otherwise @CES
10:42:00 [timeless]
[ UI.Cockpit Framework ]
10:42:15 [timeless]
teemos: centralize application logic for cockpit HMI and distribute GUIs over various HTML5 client displays
10:42:20 [timeless]
... MVC based framework
10:42:39 [timeless]
... keep working w/ graphical environment that best fits on your target
10:42:52 [timeless]
... Altia might be a good choice
10:43:00 [timeless]
... but you might want to use TAT
10:43:15 [timeless]
... and you'd have to throw everything away
10:43:23 [timeless]
... client-server websocket
10:43:25 [timeless]
... xml api
10:43:28 [timeless]
... html5+js proxy
10:43:34 [timeless]
[ UI.Cockpit Framework ]
10:43:44 [timeless]
teemos: graphics, as many models as technologies
10:43:51 [timeless]
[ UI.Cockpit Framework ]
10:43:55 [timeless]
teemos: logic
10:43:58 [timeless]
... embeddic
10:44:02 [timeless]
s/dic/ded/
10:44:07 [timeless]
... or stateful c++
10:44:09 [timeless]
... or rhapsody
10:44:11 [timeless]
... whatever
10:44:14 [timeless]
[ UI.Cockpit Framework ]
10:44:19 [timeless]
teemos: how to fetch data
10:44:25 [timeless]
... CAN bus, MOST bus, ...
10:44:31 [timeless]
[ Expectations and recommendations ]
10:44:35 [timeless]
teemos: flexibility
10:44:44 [timeless]
... we face standardization process for ... and Genivi
10:44:56 [timeless]
... it was just standardizing what wasn't competitive
10:45:02 [timeless]
... there will be reluctancy
10:45:10 [timeless]
... be flexible and have a limited scope
10:45:31 [timeless]
... low level access to device calls
10:45:45 [timeless]
... even if Android is getting better, for iPhone, we need more
10:45:55 [timeless]
... Graphics SVG - 2D/3G
10:46:02 [timeless]
... tools to compete w/ Adobe toolchain
10:46:08 [timeless]
... SVG is widely used, but not perfect
10:46:23 [timeless]
... clean logic / graphics separation
10:46:44 [timeless]
[ Video & more info ]
10:46:50 [timeless]
teemos: i'll show a video about E-Bee
10:47:29 [timeless]
[ Infotainment ]
10:47:36 [timeless]
teemos: btw, this was an HTML5 presentation using CSS
10:47:55 [timeless]
teemos: no sound, i'll have to talk
10:48:00 [timeless]
... distributed system
10:48:17 [timeless]
... actually pretty centralized, we'd like more decentralized like airplanes
10:48:23 [timeless]
... right side we have petal
10:48:56 [timeless]
... left petal is for ADAS
10:49:08 [timeless]
... usual frontier between Infotainment and ADAS
10:49:19 [timeless]
... giving screen can show both ADAS and Infotainment
10:49:30 [timeless]
... we should ensure every means of communication
10:49:33 [timeless]
... ensures safety
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... there's no API for ADAS v. Infotainment
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[ video crashed ]
10:50:17 [timeless]
[ switch to next video ]
10:50:27 [timeless]
teemos: ... augmented reality
10:50:30 [timeless]
... heads up / heads down
10:50:37 [timeless]
... context dependent hardware buttons
10:50:52 [timeless]
... this is a Nissan Leaf (for the E-Bee concept car)
10:51:08 [timeless]
... are some of you going to Logicas show?
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... two camera in the car
10:51:32 [timeless]
... one in the back, one for QR code
10:51:35 [timeless]
[ last video ]
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s/video/video: Passenger/
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s/video ]/video: Driver ]/
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teemos: door modules for interact
10:52:04 [timeless]
... each passenger has their own module area with speakers
10:52:19 [timeless]
... improve configuration for each passenger
10:52:28 [timeless]
... 4 mics, 4 sound systems
10:52:32 [timeless]
... privacy on demand
10:52:48 [timeless]
... there are plenty of other videos on the web site
10:53:00 [timeless]
teemos: thanks for your attentions
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s/s//
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[ Applause ]
10:53:11 [timeless]
DSR: time for one quick question
10:53:17 [timeless]
ph: All displays are driven by HTML5?
10:53:21 [timeless]
teemos: most of the display
10:53:25 [timeless]
... some are still in Flash
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[ boo ]
10:53:30 [timeless]
teemos: i know it's bad
10:53:38 [timeless]
... but it's porting to HTML5
10:53:47 [timeless]
... we have Android tablets in html5
10:54:02 [timeless]
DSR: rich potential UI
10:54:07 [timeless]
... we'll pick it up later
10:54:14 [timeless]
... minor change to agenda
10:54:22 [timeless]
... i'd like to bring forward the Renault presentation
10:54:30 [timeless]
teemos: thank you
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[ Applause ]
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Topipc: Drive the change - Renault
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renault: this isn't a presentation on R-Link
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... I'm YVR
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... from the advanced electronic project
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... i'm involved in Genivi
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[ Summary ]
10:55:31 [timeless]
renault: car displays are special
10:55:35 [timeless]
... technical challenges
10:55:42 [timeless]
... web technologies and standards can help
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s/Topipc/Topic/
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[ car displays are special ]
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renault: with TV you have HMI for watch broadcast, play games, play dvd
10:56:13 [timeless]
... but you can still use it as a TV
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... smartphone is similar
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... place a call, use it to wake up, go to web, control tv
10:56:28 [timeless]
... but still a phone
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... for a car!
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... you could use HMI for radio, web, phone, HVAC/ADAS
10:56:51 [Alan]
s /YUR/Ludovic_Alidra/
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... but you MUST be able to drive your car
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s/renault:/alidra:/
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s/renault:/alidra:/
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s/renault:/alidra:/
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[ Safety first ]
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renault: not specific web usage in a car
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... safety is already addressed by usual embedded HMI
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... driver distraction management
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... design rules, human factors, for app developers
10:57:51 [timeless]
... should not distract, stress or require driver action while driving
10:57:59 [timeless]
... validation of app before deployment on the app store
10:58:12 [timeless]
... until more dynamic run-time solutions can be proven
10:58:36 [timeless]
s|s /YUR/Ludovic_Alidra/||
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s/YUR/Ludovic_Alidra/
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[ Challenge - Performance ]
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alidra: user acceptance level
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... response time requirements
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... sw/hw optimizations
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... high level for UX
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... touch screen, speech
10:59:33 [timeless]
... animations, level of integration - feature coexistence
10:59:38 [timeless]
... native applications v. web apps
10:59:43 [timeless]
... html5 for native applications?
10:59:53 [timeless]
[ Challenges - Functional API definition (1/2) ]
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alidra: both M2M and user-centric
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... harmonized with Genivi
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... API designed for:
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... - performance
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... - scalability and evolutivity
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... low end products, high end products
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... probably find a common api for basic elements
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... each OEM wants to bring specific innovation
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... need a way to extend API
11:01:24 [timeless]
... link to native application
11:01:29 [timeless]
... listen to web audio
11:01:32 [timeless]
... want to stop radio
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... if you switch to weather app
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... you want to still listen to web radio
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... security/privacy
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... always on-line
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... need strategies to manage off-line mode
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[ Challenges - Functional API definition (2/2) ]
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alidra: examples of params for api
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... remain connected (social network)
11:02:48 [timeless]
... audio video
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... PIM (calendar, yellow pages)
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... Help (BCall, HelpCall, ...)
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... -- trip and car centric
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... trip optimization (traffic, parking, ...)
11:03:25 [timeless]
... multimodality
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... save money (eco-driving, PAYD, ...)
11:03:37 [timeless]
... - pay as you drive
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... maintenance facilities (manual, after-sales offers, ...)
11:03:59 [timeless]
... - need status of your car
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[ Challenges - Monetizing (1/2) ]
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alidra: try to monetize your services
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... one for application
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... another for car data
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... want to build our own app store
11:04:36 [timeless]
... collect/aggregate/distribute data
11:04:47 [timeless]
[ Challenges - Monetizing (2/2) -> M2M and User centric]
11:04:53 [timeless]
alidra: imagine we collect data
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... traffic
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... - location+speed
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... provide to third party/special partner
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... party adds element/creates services
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... send back information to Car/connected app
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[ Challenges - compatibility and interoperability with customer devices ]
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alidra: not a new issue
11:05:54 [timeless]
... had problem for years, e.g. w/ Bluetooth
11:06:02 [timeless]
... gap between consumer electronics / automotive
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... users expect same services in smart phone in car
11:06:27 [timeless]
... compatibility/continuity of services
11:06:38 [timeless]
... Car could be a node in Home network (DLNA)
11:06:49 [timeless]
... Mobile devices in car
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... Car could be in cloud/C2Car
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[ Web technologies and standards can help ]
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alidra: improve quality/reduce costs
11:07:28 [timeless]
... better quality for end user
11:07:29 [timeless]
... more interop
11:07:36 [timeless]
... security - well known solution
11:07:41 [timeless]
... improved platform neutrality
11:07:45 [timeless]
... OS, HW independent
11:07:49 [timeless]
... improved code reuse
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... application re-use and porting to new systems
11:08:02 [timeless]
[ End ]
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[ Applause ]
11:08:21 [timeless]
ph: question... you said APIs
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... have to be careful to standardize
11:08:29 [timeless]
... we want to compete on them
11:08:32 [timeless]
... to differentiate
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... can you say a bit more about that?
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... you have a whizbang feature in our car?
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... want opportunity to expose that:?
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s/:?/?/
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... why is that an issue?
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alidra: o
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s/o/no/
11:09:33 [timeless]
... you want examples of specific case?
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... it isn't for me in this position
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... if we standardize an api
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... we'll have a small set
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... very quickly, we'll need to add feature
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ph: so, it's more you want the flexibility to extend
11:10:31 [timeless]
... so you can move forward w/o waiting
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Josh_Soref: even at SDO slow pace, it seems we could standardize before you ship
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alidra: if we use a standard, we'll win at the end
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... we'll reduce duration of development
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... if we have our own api, we'll start to launch application
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... we'll win later when it's standardized
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DSR: thanks
11:12:00 [timeless]
[ Applause ]
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speiser: Sebastian Speiser
11:13:08 [timeless]
... we're not specific to cars
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... we're looking at cyber physical systems
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... i learned a lot of new car terms in the last days
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i/Speiser/Topic: [LOST]
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[ Motivation ]
11:14:02 [timeless]
speiser: not just getting B from A
11:14:05 [timeless]
... driver has other goals
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[ Motivation ]
11:14:28 [timeless]
speiser: doesn't have any heads up
11:14:38 [timeless]
... because he has speech and big team
11:14:47 [timeless]
...Formula 1 spends 1k USD / km
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... Germany gets 30c / k,
11:14:59 [kaz]
s/[LOST]/The Architecture of Future Automotive Applications based on Web Technologies/
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s/k,/km/
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... speech recognition, virtual knowledge based integrating data from the web
11:15:28 [timeless]
... logical inferences, statistical learning
11:15:32 [timeless]
[ High-level Architecture ]
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speiser: driver -> speech i/o
11:15:55 [timeless]
... -> memory -> Interoperation, Data I/O
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s|O|O, Stream I/O|
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... Dataa I/O -> LOD
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... Interoperation -> Logic Reasoner, Adaptive learner
11:16:55 [kaz]
rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/15-webandauto-minutes.html kaz
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[ Overview of Architecture ]
11:17:05 [timeless]
speiser: for speech I/O
11:17:13 [timeless]
... don't want ...
11:17:21 [timeless]
... use patterns to convert text to logic
11:17:26 [timeless]
... use reasoning engine to control conversation
11:17:53 [timeless]
... using Cyc's project to link logic to language
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... Stream I/O
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... also web streams
11:18:11 [timeless]
... for temp/traffic
11:18:37 [timeless]
[ Data I/O: Linking Open Data Cloud ]
11:18:57 [timeless]
speiser: in 2006, Linked Data movement
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... semantic web in W3C
11:19:13 [kaz]
i/Sebastian Speiser/topic: The Architecture of Future Automotive Applications based on Web Technologies/
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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speiser: yearly growth rates of 200%
11:19:36 [timeless]
... small datasources
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s/sources/ statements/
11:20:08 [timeless]
... very large set of connected data sets
11:20:23 [timeless]
[ Combining and using I/O channels ]
11:20:32 [timeless]
[ Memory: Virtual Knowledge Base ]
11:20:41 [timeless]
speiser: based on Linked Data and REST principles
11:21:04 [timeless]
... basic abstraction: a resource
11:21:09 [timeless]
... POI as 3D XML, RDF or JPEG
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... resources have references (links) to other related resources, e.g., leading to the next step in a series of operations
11:21:34 [timeless]
... support standard operations: CRUD
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speiser: "Colosseum is in Rome"
11:22:13 [timeless]
... Create-Read-Update-Delete
11:22:38 [timeless]
... I'm not a REST-afarian
11:22:46 [timeless]
... beyond scalability
11:22:50 [timeless]
... you have standard operation
11:23:10 [timeless]
... interop is easier
11:23:16 [timeless]
... common operations
11:23:20 [timeless]
... fixed grammar
11:23:27 [timeless]
... just standardize vocabulary
11:23:31 [timeless]
... very different from WS*
11:23:39 [timeless]
.. which was ported to HTTP and called REST
11:23:58 [timeless]
... You do a HTTP lookup on URI
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... do it with an RDF program and get a reply
11:24:19 [kaz]
s/../.../
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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[ Internlinking in Linked Data ]
11:25:12 [timeless]
speiser: car:currentDriver owl:sameAs facebook:JohnDee
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car:car :location car:point ... wikipedia
11:25:38 [timeless]
s/Internl/Interl/
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[ Streams, Services and Compositions ]
11:25:58 [timeless]
speiser: streams either just leave http open and continue to listen
11:26:04 [timeless]
... or pull stream source regularly
11:26:14 [timeless]
... Services, to integrate w/ linked data
11:26:20 [timeless]
... how to build applications, compositions, workflows
11:26:29 [timeless]
... based on REST resources?
11:27:10 [timeless]
... From university perspective, this is established technology
11:27:13 [timeless]
[ Linked Services ]
11:27:50 [timeless]
speiser: services honor REST
11:27:57 [timeless]
... we wanted to use RDF/Notation3
11:28:03 [timeless]
... relation between input and output
11:28:15 [timeless]
... linked between services, descriptions, and data input/output
11:28:38 [timeless]
[ Production Rules for Linked Services ]
11:29:02 [timeless]
speiser: my colleagues are presenting a paper about data driven programming for dynamic programming
11:29:16 [timeless]
... evaluate rules, if it matches, invoke action(service)
11:29:48 [timeless]
... Locate() -> car location -> Lookup() -> list of gas stations -> navigate() -> programmed GPS system -> done
11:30:02 [timeless]
... car location -> cancel() -> new location -> done
11:30:09 [timeless]
[ Conclusions ]
11:30:22 [timeless]
speiser: use web tech to provide assistant system to drivers at reasonable cost
11:30:35 [timeless]
... make it cheaper by not needing so much adaption for every platform
11:30:50 [timeless]
... web tech in front end + back end, we can add new sources on demand
11:30:54 [timeless]
... PAYG integration
11:31:02 [timeless]
... no need for up front specification of services
11:31:12 [timeless]
... tap long tail of sensors and data sources
11:31:22 [timeless]
[ Thank you for your attention ]
11:31:37 [timeless]
speiser: have a loook at www.kskri.kit.edu + www.aifb.kit.edu
11:31:54 [timeless]
... we have a smart energy grid where we're using some of our proposed technologies
11:31:57 [timeless]
[ Applause ]
11:31:59 [timeless]
DSR: Questions?
11:32:10 [timeless]
... idea to combine this w/ semantic web
11:32:18 [timeless]
... what's needed to build an ecosystem?
11:32:22 [timeless]
speiser: in terms of what?
11:32:31 [timeless]
DSR: what's required to bring to market?
11:32:43 [timeless]
speiser: dev cycle in car are rather long
11:32:58 [timeless]
... intermediate step is probably tablet/smartphone applications
11:33:03 [timeless]
... and installing this in a car
11:33:10 [timeless]
... we have cars from Daimler, Opal
11:33:40 [timeless]
... maybe a car manufacturer would be interested and take this on
11:33:44 [timeless]
DSR: thank you
11:33:47 [timeless]
[ Applause ]
11:34:20 [timeless]
Topic: QWKKL
11:34:21 [timeless]
felt: Michael Felt, German research center for AI, UI group, Automotive Group
11:34:33 [timeless]
... we're building HMIs for driver systems
11:34:38 [timeless]
... do a lot of user testing
11:34:44 [timeless]
... we do this in conjunction with OEMs
11:35:09 [kaz]
s/QWKKL/Proposing a Meta-Language for Specifying Presentation Complexity in order to Support System Situation Awareness/
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... this work is related to situation awareness
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[ Situation Awareness ]
11:36:02 [timeless]
felt: knowing what's around you
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s/felt:/feld:/
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s/felt:/feld:/
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feld: went from psychological model
11:36:33 [timeless]
... define system situation awareness
11:36:38 [timeless]
... started with Endsley Model
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[ Endsley Model (original) ]
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feld: three levels: perception; comprehension; projection
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s/Felt/Feld/
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... i see a car
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... i'm going to crash
11:37:34 [timeless]
... i need to press breaks
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... there's a feedback loop
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... there are task factors
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[ Endsley Model (adjusted) ]
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feld: assessment of user+context; update information sources ; impact estimation
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... intelligent mediation
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... HMI: presentation of information
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[ Two-fold Research Question ]
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feld: driver aspects / presentation aspects
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... define system situation awareness
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driver related concepts / presentation task annotation
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s/driver/... driver/
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... ...
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[ Estimating presentation complexity ]
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feld: we have 3 options
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... complexity from designer
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... ideal case -> nothing to do
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... (unlikely)
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... unstructured representation of HMI
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... Image
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... difficult to do something
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... could use heuristic, approach, do image processing
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... -> low confidence
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... strucutred representation (HTML5)
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s/utr/tur/
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... "ACE" (annotated complexity estimation)
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... how do we annotate complexity automatically
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... ACE is based on visual tree of interface
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[ Example Ssreen Layout (sim TD) ]
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s/Ss/Sc/
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feld: based on a German collaboration
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... German Options screen
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[ GUI Model and Visual Tree ]
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feld: from representation, we can derive visual tree
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[ Complexity Computation ]
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feld: compute it based on a table
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... label, icon, panel
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... we assume that if we do the right studies
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... we can get a sufficiently close approximation of a good complexity
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[ Presentation Meta Language ]
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feld: developer can specify multiple alternatives w/ different complexity
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... system can choose based on situation
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... we didn't want to invent a presentation language
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... so we suggested a wrapper/meta language
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[ it isn't well formed XML either ]
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[ Implementation info a Dialogue Platform ]
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feld: SiAM dp (Situation-Aware Muiltimodal Dialogue Platform)
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... based on SCXML state charts
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... it can decide based on different ways to present something
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... can do this online or offline
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feld: we can check how high/low the load is for a dialog
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[ Estimating (Input) Interaction Workload ]
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feld: we have to quantify user interaction cost as well
11:46:26 [timeless]
... break up complex tasks into atomic tasks
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... rearrangement, text entry, number entry, pan/zoom, list selection, scrolling
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... -> widgets
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... i'll probably build a similar table
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... to presentation complexity
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... to know what the cost of a certain tax in a modality costs
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[ Two-fold Research Question ]
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[ Driver-related Cognitive Load Aspects ]
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feld: how to model cognitive load?
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feld: how to quantify cognitive load?
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feld: there's no such easy measure
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.. no "cpu cycles for human"
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s/../.../
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feld: hard to use time values
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[ Cognitive Load Model ]
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feld: top down view of literature concepts
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... driver interacting w/ system
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... demands "dry"
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... specified in table
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... cognitive demand
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... environment/user interactions
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... cause cognitive load
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... assume multiple resources available to human
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... possibly not completely separate
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... all cognitive demands are transformed for the different processing resources
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... wer have stage/dimension/code
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s/wer/we/
11:50:30 [timeless]
... maximum amounts of capacity differs for different people
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... looking at levels of fill is the current cognitive load
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... metrics can detect stress/distraction and affect load capacity
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[ Cognitive User Model ]
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feld: user
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... processingresource (1...n)
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... dimension
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... cognitivecapcacity
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... cognitivecost (1..n)
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s/capc/cap/
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... dimensions
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... interaction
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[ Related Efforts ]
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feld: two more topics
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[ Automotive Ontology ]
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feld: where do we store this
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... yesterday we heard about sensors/knowledge in cars
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... have to store it somewhere and make it available
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... we created an ontology
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... published last year on automotive ui
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[ High-Level Structure ]
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feld: from a user's perspective
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[ User Model ]
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feld: it could be worth adding user dimensions too
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... our model is based around UML
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... with mental state, time pressure, emotional state
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[ Meta Information ]
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feld: time, confidence, location, privacy
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feld: sensors are more or less accurate
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feld: privacy for Car-to-Car communication, what information can we share?
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... location should be annotated for most values
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[ Driving Simulation ]
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feld: driving deviation
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... is how do we measure cognitive load
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... in European funded "Drive Home Safe"
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... driving simulation connected directly to HMI
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...sign on road
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... trigger signs
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... there's a physics engine
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[ Driving Performance Measures ]
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feld: we can derive performance metrics
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... we can add further driving tasks
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... different UIs require different tasks to test
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... not just lane change
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... we're looking into standardizing work tasks
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[ Traffic Light Control ]
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[ External Visualization ]
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feld: we worked w/ intervisual-computing-center
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... so you can swap engine
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[ More Information on OpenDS ]
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feld: thank you for your attention
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[ Applause ]
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DSR: thank you, that was interesting
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... do you think it'll be easy to provide tools for developers to test?
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feld: that's part of the Scion project
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... it's an important point
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DSR: the car is trying to understand things that are coming
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feld: we have a knowledge base
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... we're working on adaptivity strategies
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... UI impls or interaction strategies
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DSR: have you tested with driver state?
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feld: we did Multimodal comparisons
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... with biosensors
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... and saw effects there
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kaz: curious about protocol between modalities
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... and SCXML
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... do you usse MMLZZ
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s/usse/use/
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... between simulator and speech and touchpanel?
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feld: it's a proprietary interface built into SimTD
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DSR: thanks so much
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[ Applause ]
12:01:13 [kaz]
s/MMLZZ/MMI lifecycle events and EMMA?
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DSR: time for lunch
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... until 2pm
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marie: there's a list of participants at the registration desk
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... slides are on the web
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scribe: Alan
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Adam: Our next speaker is a colleague of mine from Intel. He has experience from Nissan,
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13:10:01 [Alan]
...I want to introduce Nobe-san from Intel
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Nobe: Before March of this year I worked for Nissan and did many implementations.
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...I have good experience on how ICT companies can work with auto companies.
13:11:27 [Alan]
Nobe: Topic is Connected Car as a Cloud Computing Client.
13:11:42 [Alan]
...The implementation will only be for 25% or 30% of the autos.
13:11:57 [Alan]
[What is a Connected Car]
13:12:20 [Alan]
Nobe: There is a control area that has been implemented for 60 years.
13:12:39 [Alan]
...But there is instrumentation in the IVI that has been around since 2008.
13:12:48 [Alan]
...These have been monlithic designs.
13:13:12 [Alan]
...Smartphones have made it possible for these devices to be generic.
13:13:32 [Alan]
...Of course there should be some connection between a IVI and control areas.
13:13:49 [Alan]
...Data in Control Area should be read only.
13:14:20 [Alan]
Nobe: The connection could be a smartphone or tablet inside the car. Some kind of connection device.
13:14:46 [Alan]
...Make it easier to provide information to the driver.
13:15:00 [Alan]
[slide has been built out]
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Nobe: Some is sensor data and some is Big Data supported by Cloud computing.
13:15:51 [Alan]
[Issues to embed ICT devices in the Car]
13:16:18 [Alan]
Nobe: We have to reconcile the difference in development life cycles.
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...Development cycle is 3 years followed by 3 years of sales.
13:17:58 [Alan]
...The average car stays in the market for 7 years after purchase.
13:18:27 [Alan]
... There is a total of 17 years that a vehicle design is current in the market.
13:19:04 [Alan]
...This is the conceptual difference between a vehicle and ICT.
13:19:45 [Alan]
...If we're going to embed a communications model that will change during the life of the car.
13:20:06 [Alan]
...Current models may be 2G based but next generation will be different.
13:20:27 [Alan]
...We need to think of what the requirements will be 7-8 years ahead.
13:21:01 [Alan]
...The example is on the MIPS performance available compared to the time.
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Nobe: Then we have to look at computer usage for the next 10 years in the market.
13:23:08 [bgidon]
Nobe[Issues to embed ICT devices in the car ]:
13:25:08 [bgidon]
[Application update will solve the problem]
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i/Issues to embed ICT/scribenick: bgidon/
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/15-webandauto-minutes.html kaz
13:26:02 [Alan]
scribenick: Alan
13:26:23 [Alan]
Nobe: We have to update and download applications on a regular basis.
13:26:37 [Alan]
...Hardware is completed and fixed, but applications need to be updated.
13:27:14 [Alan]
...This concept is important to remember as we develop applications.
13:27:32 [Alan]
[Market Penetration of NAVI: Recnet Change]
13:28:40 [Alan]
Nobe: After introduction of iPhone the market acceptance has been greatly accelerated.
13:29:02 [Alan]
...Will be 1B units by 2015.
13:29:22 [Alan]
[Contents and Services reside in the Cloud]
13:30:09 [Alan]
Nobe: Most of the functionality supported by PCs will be supported by Smartphones.
13:30:31 [Alan]
...And the car will be connected to the Cloud via the smartphone.
13:30:43 [Alan]
[Forseeing the Future Trend]
13:31:03 [Alan]
Nobe: Three factors: Displays, Cloud and Smartphone.
13:31:38 [Alan]
[How Smartphone connects Car with Cloud]
13:32:25 [Alan]
Nobe: Smartphone migrations will change every 2 years, but the car system will be in place for 10 years or so.
13:32:44 [Alan]
...We need collaboration between the OEM and Smartphone providers.
13:32:57 [Alan]
[Role of HTML5 for IVI Client]
13:34:23 [Alan]
[discussion on how HTML5 and associated standards can work with car]
13:34:51 [Alan]
Nobe: I think it's important that the car use HTML5 even when it doesn't have access to a server.
13:35:23 [Alan]
[Use of Internet Contents using TA (2006)]
13:35:40 [Alan]
Nobe: This is a little future look, but it's also what I was doing at Nissan.
13:35:51 [Alan]
...It links Semantic Web with the car.
13:36:27 [Alan]
...With the information, the vehicle may send out a request about how it can be serviced at a gas station.
13:36:45 [Alan]
...The display can show the information that's important for the vehicle.
13:37:06 [Alan]
...The navigation system should only display what's important for this vehicle.
13:37:21 [Alan]
...HTML5 should be implemented with the semantic types.
13:37:38 [Alan]
...Need the Web to support this with Web Services.
13:37:51 [Alan]
...It's been implemented and is being used in Japanese market.
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[TA: Telematics Agent slide]\
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[discussion on workflow / dataflow]
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Nobe: Displays things like name of station and directions to get there.
13:39:06 [Alan]
...This was done fairly easily.
13:39:17 [Alan]
...It's a Web based implementation.
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[Example of Big Data Applications]
13:40:15 [Alan]
Nobe: Location information is time-stamped. It can provide information on the traffic conditions.
13:40:31 [Alan]
...This kind of information can be used for traffic jam avoidance.
13:41:34 [Alan]
[Crisis Response on Google Maps slide]
13:41:55 [Alan]
[Possibilities to apply Big Data Analysis slide]
13:42:24 [Alan]
[skipped 2 - 3 slides]
13:42:44 [Alan]
[New Mobile Service Opportunities with Big Data slide]
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Nobe: This data could be used by other companies as made available by third party vendors.
13:43:16 [Alan]
...Could offer new products and services.
13:43:25 [Alan]
[Summary slide]
13:43:37 [Alan]
Nobe: Cars will be connected.
13:43:45 [Alan]
...HTML5 is the "glue"
13:44:13 [Alan]
...for OEMs the ICT implementations require horizontal collaborations
13:44:46 [Alan]
[applause]
13:45:32 [Alan]
Roger: Your previous employer and Toyota are both in danger of having fragmented solutions. Are they looking to solve that in the future?
13:45:50 [Alan]
Nobe: I think there are services that will be the same, but the implementations have been different.
13:46:30 [Alan]
...They need to get to a common base which would require hardware and software to be abandoned. I think the market will drive that.
13:47:00 [Alan]
dsr: You mentioned at the begining that the design of cars takes time, do you see that changing in the future?
13:47:21 [Alan]
Nobe: Things are getting more modularity, and that implementation may make it quicker.
13:47:42 [Alan]
...The cycle is 3 years so you would have to change the sales cycle to match it.
13:47:48 [Alan]
[Applause]
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scribe: timeless
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Topic: Acheiving a Safe and Seamless UX through accessible web apps
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iglesias: Alejandro Pinerio Iglesias, Igalia
13:49:14 [timeless]
... this year i started working on WebKit
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... with ARIA and that stuff
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[ Topics ]
13:49:32 [timeless]
iglesias: Acessibility-based solutions to improve safety
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... implementation via accessibility APIs
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... applicable standards and existing support
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[ Acessibility-based solutions to improve safety ]
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[ Safety First? ]
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iglesias: we have several cases of problems related to distraction and accidents
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... people texting and walking have an accident
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... in 2010, 3092 people killed in accidents related to distracted drivers
13:50:51 [timeless]
[ Hands-Free via Speech Input ]
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[ Eyes-Minimal via Simplified UI ]
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iglesias: a minimal simplified UI
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... is useful for people w/ difficulty with screen contents
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... but also people who should not be distracted
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[ Eyes-Free via Gestures ]
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iglesias: users who cannot activate on-screen elements (disability)
13:52:55 [timeless]
... users who should not activate on-screen elements (driving)
13:53:14 [timeless]
... shouldn't use touchscreen while driving, shouldn't look at screen while driving
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... shouldn't be distracted by complex UI
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[ Studies ]
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iglesias: driving is primarily a visual interaction w/ road
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[ Implementation via Accessibility APIs ]
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[ Accessibility APIs ]
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iglesias: accessibility APIs allow you to interact w/ apps programmatically on behalf of user
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... use Voice/Sound
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[ Example: Remember the Milk ]
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iglesias: driver goes through an area
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... Remember The Milk has an alert for the area
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... device checks speed decides it's safe to speak the alert
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... driver says "No" to indicate response
13:55:36 [timeless]
... device clicks "No"
13:55:43 [timeless]
[ Accessibility API Events ]
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iglesias: Focus changes
13:55:53 [timeless]
... selection changes
13:55:57 [timeless]
... text changes
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... ...
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[ Accessibility API Actions ]
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iglesias: press, release, click, ...
13:56:23 [timeless]
[ Accessibility API Interfaces ]
13:56:34 [timeless]
iglesias: application, component, desktop, document, ...
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[ Accessibility API UCs ]
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iglesias: access to users with disabilities
13:56:49 [timeless]
... automated testing
13:56:52 [timeless]
... distraction-free access?
13:57:11 [timeless]
... most testing is probably Unit Testing
13:57:19 [timeless]
... but you eventually need to write Functional testing
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... Accessibility is a good way to do Functional testing
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[ Requirements ]
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iglesias: developers: create accessible web apps
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... layout engine implements accessibility support
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... ...
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[ For Web Application Developers ]
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iglesias: W3C Mobile Web Initiative
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... Best Practices
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... ...
13:58:27 [timeless]
[ For Web Application Developers ]
13:58:37 [timeless]
iglesias: W3C Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
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... Accessibility Overview
13:58:50 [timeless]
... Guidelines
13:58:52 [timeless]
... ARIA
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[ For Web Application Developers ]
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[ Layout Engines Supporting ARIA ]
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iglesias: Trident
13:59:12 [timeless]
... WebKit
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... Gecko
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... Presto
13:59:24 [timeless]
... Trident = IE
13:59:29 [timeless]
... WebKit = most others
13:59:32 [timeless]
... Gecko = Firefox
13:59:37 [timeless]
... Presto = Opera
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[ WebKit: Free as in Freedom ]
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[ WebKit: Embedded-Friendly ]
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iglesias: Desktop (Safari, Chromium, Epiphany, )
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... iPad, iPod, iPhone, ...
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...
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s/.../... .../
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[ WebKit: Developer Community ]
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iglesias: it's hard to quantify people
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... there's chromium, apple, webkit, google, igalia, gmail, nokia, openbossa, samsunbg, rim, others
14:01:12 [timeless]
[ WebKit: Accessibility ]
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iglesias: mature, platform-independent
14:01:24 [timeless]
... adaptations for each platform/port
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... Macintosh, Chromium, GTK <- mature
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... EFL, Qt, Win <- less mature
14:02:07 [timeless]
[ The Indie UI WG ]
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iglesias: Accessibility/Automotive have the same targets
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... they're working separately
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[ Indie UI WG Members]
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iglesias: access, apple, google, nokia, ...
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... but no automotive members
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[ Summary ]
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iglesias: in-vehicle applications can be used more safely via alternative input/output
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... quite similar to assistive technologies
14:03:51 [timeless]
... accessibility APIs are standards for accessible web applications, established, used
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... automotive industry should evaluate this solution
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s/nokia/nokia, opera/
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... - the need relating to alternative input/output
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... is where the accessibility projects have been talking for years
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[ Questions? ]
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[ Applause ]
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DSR: cars have a rich set of UI possibilities
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... i don't know how wide the range of the INDIE scope is
14:05:46 [timeless]
... headsup-displays, spatial audio? tactic?
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... multidevice things
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iglesias: they need text input
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... they need text output
14:06:56 [timeless]
... screens with icons
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... this isn't acceptible in HMI
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... for an accessible interface
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kaz: there was discussion at Indie UI during TPAC for UCs
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... i was wondering if you're interesting in giving feedback about feedback
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... from ecosystems
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... to the Indie group
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iglesias: iPhone uses "Voice-over"
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... they rely on gestures
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Adam: thanks iglesias
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[ Applause ]
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Topic: The Connected Car-Changing Business Models for Automotive
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delaney: Chris Delaney, CSC
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s/interesting in/interested in/
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... a colleague put together a position paper
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... i changed our presentation
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... to talk about sales and deriving value
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[ Agenda ]
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delaney: Driving in the Cloud
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... impact of HTML5 on IVI
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... new technologies, new business models
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... streamlining sales process
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... delivering a customer for life
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... vision of the future
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[ Driving in the Cloud ]
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delaney: left, what happens when you're building a car
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... right, what happens after you've sold the car
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... often there's no interaction between seller and buyer for 5 years
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[ Impact of HTML5 on IVI ]
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[ new technologies, new business models ]
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delaney: streamlining sales process; engage w/ customers
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... buy something from Amazon, very streamlined, simple process
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... buying houses hasn't changed in years
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... same for cars
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... enable customers to customize product on the fly
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... enable fast delivery
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... let customers know where the car is
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... integrating Facebook w/ Salesforce, SAP
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... deliver a customer for life
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... deal w/ them on an ongoing basis
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... McKinsey: most companies have improved productivity and operations, but not sales
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[ Pending Business Model Transformation ]
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delaney: Spotify fans?
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... much more advanced than CDs
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... subscription model v. purchasing car
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s/car/model/
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... discussed Zip cars in SF, CA, US over lunch a few days ago
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... renting cars instead of buying
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[ streamlining sales process ]
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[ current sales process ]
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delaney: you can go on internet, do research
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... there may be a car configurator, In Flash
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... maybe you can book a test drive
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... for further info, contact dealer
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... backwards/forwards negotiation
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... not like Amazon
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[ Engage with customers: Seamless customer for life Communication ]
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delaney: encourage customers to return to OEM for everything
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[ Demo Scenarios ]
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delaney: 1 - Purchase Process
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... 2 - In Life Management
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delaney: the idea is to generate discussion
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[ Potential Customer Interested in Honda - Likes Honda Facebook Page ]
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delaney: customer likes facebook page
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... could have a lead in salesforce
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... have 1-1 dialog
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[ Customer Downloads Honda App ]
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delaney: encourage users to download it
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... through iTunes store/etc.
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[ App Integrated with Facebook ]
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delaney: viewed at home through your iPad
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[ App start-up ]
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delaney: find showrooms, book testdrive, etc.
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[ Customer Books Test Drive at Local Dealer Using App ]
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delaney: pick model, pick date and time, confirms details, confirmation
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[ Customer Checks Availability of Models of Interest ]
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delaney: integrate model info w/ SAP data
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... maybe OEM is willing to do a deal with a unit in a different location
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[ Customer Configuring New Car ]
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delaney: this is just reusing content from web
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[ Stock data ]
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delaney: pulling data from SAP
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[ Payment Options - Buy Now (Cash) or Finance ]
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delaney: go through buying process through app
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... credit checks, finance - online
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... give feedback on process
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[ A New Honda Advocate ]
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delaney: then you can post to Facebook
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... great free advertising
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... @home, i'll look at reviews on Amazon
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... how do we leverage the power of social?
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[ Secario 2 - In Life Management - My Honda ]
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delaney: they bought car
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... find out about servicing, hooked up to telematics
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... you need to change oil
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... special offers
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... make it useful
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... they don't want spam
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s/Secario/Scenario/
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... if it's targeted, thought about, a value to consumer, no problem
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[ Promotions and Special OFfers ]
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s/OFf/Off/
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delaney: that top part is from Salesforce
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[ Customer Details Shown in SFDC ]
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[ A vision of the future ]
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delaney: HTML5 is what our app was based on
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... communicate 1-1 w/ customers
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... OEMs say they don't know much once it's sold
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... having them come back for servicing/other products...
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... Zip-car, where people rent the car
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... there's an opportunity to communicate more often
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delaney: this applies to a wide range of manufacturers
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... in UK, the decline of High Street stores
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... producer manufacturer to customer relationship gets stronger
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[ Questions ]
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[ Applause ]
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bbb: from your PoV
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... what kind of standardization is needed for Automotive?
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s/bbb/takahashi/
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delaney: this can be done through a wide variety
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... the honda app was built using HTML5
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... it could be built w/ anything
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... Facebook - Salesforce integration is very good
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Adam: thanks delaney
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[ Applause ]
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PH: Expect preliminary results of this soon.
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...We expect to continue this conversation.
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...Outline of what we heard and why W3C is the place to work.
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i/PH:/scribenick: Alan/
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...Also why Standardization works well.
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[Motivation for Web Technology slide]
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PH: Seens strategic for industry, there are demands and expectations.
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...There is demand there. We need to build an ecosystem of developers.
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...There isn't a huge market per OEM, but need to build industry demand.
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...Are there other things missing?
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DanA: In addition to work at W3C there is lots of other work being done. Can W3C serve a role to harmonize these efforts globally.
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[Motivation for W3C slide]
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PH: Historically there is a problem in getting the community together.
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...Developers are watching what W3C does.
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...And W3C standards are Royalty-Free that makes them easy to implement.
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...Maybe I missed some, if you have other motivations, let me know.
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[crickets]
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SSSS: We heard about connectivity to the cloud. We hear W3C sits there. That might be another motivation.
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[Standardisation: How does it work Well? slide]
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s/SSSS/Boris/
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[Prioritize Work Items]
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PH: I try to collect work items from the audience.
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...The idea is that people say what are the things W3C should work on.
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...I'm personally interested in the vehicle APIs.
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...But it would be good to hear from attendees what they want and some reasons why.
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...This is preliminary but it gives us a feel for what was represented.
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gryc: By end-to-end you mean telematics?
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PH: I heard someone say it, I just wrote it down.
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gryc: The first five that are on your list are of interest to me.
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PH: OK - we'll move those to the list.
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s/end-to-end/M2M/
15:12:52 [Alan]
gryc: I would define user-centric as a use case dealing with the driver or passenger. M2M is vehicle data for things like insurance / fleet maintenance, etc.
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...Could be anything you would use to design an API.
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xxxxx: So entertainment API would be part of that as well.
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s/xxxxx/boris/
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hrbysh: I think connection in vehicle. We have to connect head unit and smart pohen.
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gryc: If you consider that to be a user-centric device then I would say yes.
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...I don't think those names are what we would standardize on, we'll end up with sublists.
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s/hrbysh/hirabayashi/
15:15:26 [Alan]
...Something like device-focused APIs are underneath that category as well.
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s/pohen/phone/
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PH: So device centric is interfacing smart phone.
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wwwww: So I think we need to think cross platform.
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s/wwww/matias/
15:16:14 [Alan]
....How to integrate the HMI.
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...Having something on top of HTML5.
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dsr: Was this something we heard earlier about application portability>
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pavel: I think we should take out API. I think there are things deeper than that.
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...We might not want to partition APIs this way.
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...There might be overlapping APIs in the categories.
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...We probably don't know details today.
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...I would not say the APIs will need to be partioned the way of Use Cases.
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gryc: To me that makes sense. In terms of strictly bidding them, from an application point of view, they might overlap. We have a virtual mechanic app like that.
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...I'm willing to wait until a later time to categorize them.
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22222: Seeing the list and the concepts. I think people maynot be on the same page.
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...Perhaps we develop an abstract reference model where you can put concepts and APIs in the same picture.
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...It might facilitate discussion.
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333333: Some of the speakers talked about ecosystems.
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...Right now we don't have any energy for ecosystems.
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s/333333/kazuhiro/
15:21:14 [Alan]
...W3C might help build that and make it happen.
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s/22222:/magnus:/
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Roberto: The way we follow it in Genivi is we list the Use Cases etc. across competitive things. Many companies are uncomfortable with such discussions.
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...Trying to see what's available on the car and putting together networks that are available, then putting APIs that are available for building apps.
15:22:54 [Alan]
...This is a different approach but it has delivered results for us.
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PH: I share your opinion and approach, but others feel it's important.
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woochul: We need to figure out what's needed as automotive API. What's missing, what's reusable.
15:24:04 [Alan]
PH: That sounds like gap analysis. Think Vodaphone took a shot at that.
15:24:49 [Alan]
mikko: I think looking at the board, we have priorities to discuss. If you have different applications running how do you prioritize them.
15:24:59 [Alan]
...That should be included in here.
15:25:00 [naomi]
s/mikko/magnus/
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Magnus Gunnarsson, Mitsubishi
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dsr: I think that's what context is. Based on teh situation, what's the priority.
15:25:51 [Alan]
magnus: I also think we should consider how to create a developer society so tooling might be an important part of this.
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PH: What do you mean by tooling?
15:26:35 [Alan]
magnus: Provide guidance on how people can build things without an actual car.
15:26:41 [Alan]
...Maybe best practices.
15:27:04 [Alan]
44444: I was going to mention best practices as well.
15:27:30 [Alan]
666666: I think we should mention something about long life cycles and synchronization as well.
15:27:43 [naomi]
s/666666/Mayer/
15:28:16 [Alan]
zzzzz: When it comes to lifecycles and such I think OMA is doing work there so we should work with them.
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xxxxxxx: I'm still not sure of what level of API we should consider.
15:28:59 [naomi]
s/xxxxxxx/woochul/
15:29:14 [Alan]
...Low-level API could be hard as each car manufacturer has it's own implemnetation.
15:29:23 [Alan]
...An extraction layer would be easier.
15:29:33 [Alan]
...I'd like to know how to work on such issues.
15:29:49 [Alan]
PH: We can put up both topics and see where they prioritize.
15:30:34 [Alan]
Josh_Soref: I think we should look at both and then figure out who will work on which ones and have people focus on the Use Cases they could implement around them.
15:30:56 [Alan]
PH: Should we get a show of hands on the topics? I would ask that you only vote 3 times.
15:31:08 [Alan]
...Will do next round probably through an online questionaire.
15:31:19 [Alan]
[Voting by topic]
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/15-webandauto-minutes.html Alan
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s/look at both/look at both (where individual vendors work with a few 2nd parties to play with low level apis to see what kind of apps they can build to generate future high level UCs)/
15:36:28 [Alan]
PH: The votes are in, thanks very much, we'll publish this and see what people what to focus on.
15:36:45 [Alan]
[How to get Started? slide}
15:37:04 [Alan]
PH: W3C submission from a set of members.
15:37:20 [Alan]
...We do Working Groups which is where we do the body of our work.
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...Where requirements arse done and work is created.
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...Liaisons with other groups.
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..And it's member only work.
15:38:28 [Alan]
PH: An intermediate step we've introduced is Busienss Groups which doesn't normally develop standards.
15:38:46 [Alan]
...It is designed to work with other groups to figure out what to do next.
15:39:10 [Alan]
...Just wanted to give you this overview and have you think about it as the way forward.
15:39:34 [Alan]
PH: Wrapping up I'd like to thank Intel, and to our Sponsors QNX and Webinos project.
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[big applause]
15:40:12 [Alan]
[adjourned!]
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i/adjourned/and to the scribes/
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i/adjourned/[big applause]/
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s/inserted/scribe/
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s/inserted/scribe/
15:40:46 [Alan]
rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/15-webandauto-minutes.html Alan
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s/}//
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s/and/marie: and
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RRSAgent, bye
15:57:18 [RRSAgent]
I see no action items