IRC log of tt on 2012-11-15
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be TTML
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- ok, trackbot; I see SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
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- Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 15 November 2012
- 14:58:55 [mmartin3]
- Thanks Glenn.
- 14:59:03 [glenn]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 14:59:03 [Zakim]
- SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM has not yet started, glenn
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- On IRC I see RRSAgent, mmartin3, glenn, trackbot
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- zakim, this is TTWG
- 14:59:20 [Zakim]
- ok, glenn; that matches SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM
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- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 14:59:27 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see ??P11, [Microsoft]
- 14:59:34 [glenn]
- zakim, ??p11 is glenn
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- +glenn; got it
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- zakim, [microsoft] has mmartin3
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- +mmartin3; got it
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- zakim, who's noisy?
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- glenn, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: [Microsoft] (22%), +1.858.847.aabb (5%)
- 15:02:52 [mmartin3]
- Philippe, Can you stay on IRC?
- 15:03:04 [plh]
- yes
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- good thanks
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- zakim, aabb is mike_dolan
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- zakim, aadd is pal
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- +pal; got it
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- +Andrew_Kirkpatrick
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- zakim, aacc is Sean
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- +Sean; got it
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- Zakim, Andrew_Kirkpatrick is mijordan
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- +mijordan; got it
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- zakim, aaaa is pal
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- +pal; got it
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- + +41.22.717.aaee
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- Frnas
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- zakim, pal is aadd
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- +aadd; got it
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- zakim, aaee is Frans
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- +Frans; got it
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- zakim, who's here?
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- On the phone I see glenn, [Microsoft], pal.a, mike_dolan, Sean, aadd, mijordan, Frans
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- [Microsoft] has mmartin3
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- On IRC I see mijordan, courtney, plh, Frans, pal, Sean, Zakim, RRSAgent, mmartin3, glenn, trackbot
- 15:07:36 [mmartin3]
- Chair
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- Sean
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- scribe
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- mmartin3
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- TTML Agenda Nov 15, 2012
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- Topic: SDP-US Issues
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- mdolan: Add to agenda: IANA response.
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- Dec 15 deadline
- 15:10:17 [mmartin3]
- Action Sean Draft response to bring back to the group.
- 15:10:23 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-129 - Draft response to bring back to the group. [on Sean Hayes - due 2012-11-22].
- 15:10:48 [mmartin3]
- Issue-182?
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- ISSUE-182 -- Allow more than one profile to be used in the SDP-US. Add use of ttp:profile element. -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/182
- 15:11:33 [mmartin3]
- SDP-US draft: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml10-sdp-us/Overview.html
- 15:11:55 [mmartin3]
- mmartin3: R0007 need namespace
- 15:12:18 [mmartin3]
- ...answered Glenn: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Nov/0022.html.
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- c/answered
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- glenn: Agree with the proposal.
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- Resolved to include preamble text.
- 15:14:06 [mmartin3]
- Issue-189?
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- ISSUE-189 -- do regions scroll their flowed content? -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/189
- 15:14:41 [mmartin3]
- mmartin3: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Oct/0017.html
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Oct/0021.html
- 15:15:14 [mike]
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- Second Edition
- 15:16:39 [mmartin3]
- mmartin: Need to add example in Second Edition. Then put reference text in SDP-US.
- 15:17:08 [mmartin3]
- dolan: Open question existed on my example.
- 15:17:42 [mmartin3]
- sean: Only 2 lines visible in my previous example. Describes region, flow, and text behavior.
- 15:18:22 [mmartin3]
- ...Two ways to construct - have 2 lines and overflow and display line after. Or display the lines appropriately with timing.
- 15:18:27 [mmartin3]
- dolan: Mine was different.
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- sean: If have lines overflow. Ones at the bottom are seen. Ones at the top are moved out.
- 15:19:46 [mmartin3]
- ...Use example as is except to remove displayAlign.
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- glenn: May still need it.
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- Dolan: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Oct/0017.html
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- Glenn: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Oct/0021.html
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- sean: May be able to handle without displayAlign.
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- dolan: TTML + representation of display that occurs.
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- sean: Send out example as complete TTML file as Mike provided and send screen shots.
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- Resolved to include example in TTML 1.0 SE,.
- 15:23:56 [mmartin3]
- Action Sean Provide example with screen shot to the list for Issue-182 for TTML 1.0 SE portion.
- 15:23:56 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-130 - Provide example with screen shot to the list for Issue-182 for TTML 1.0 SE portion. [on Sean Hayes - due 2012-11-22].
- 15:24:34 [mmartin3]
- mmartin3: Need text to reference TTML 1.0 SE for scrolling in SDP-US.
- 15:24:38 [mmartin3]
- ...Text: See example on scrolling described in TTML 1.0 Second Edition.
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- sean: Reference this at point of R0047.
- 15:26:59 [mmartin3]
- No objections.
- 15:27:28 [mmartin3]
- Issue-188?
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- ISSUE-188 -- Bounding SDP-US rendering complexity -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/188
- 15:27:50 [mmartin3]
- mmartin3: Explanatory text in Future Needs.
- 15:28:02 [mmartin3]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Nov/0018.html
- 15:28:17 [mmartin3]
- mmartin3: Glenn asked about rendering model.
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- sean: Authoring constraint model that impacts rendering.
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- -Frans
- 15:29:06 [Frans]
- Have to leave, sorry :(
- 15:29:09 [mmartin3]
- ...Answer your questions Glenn.
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- glenn: Value of note?
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- ..What is intended given what exists today in TTML 1.0?
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- sean: DECE has such a model with heuristics. Sean describes the discussion.
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- ...Compute model for the rendering
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- glenn: Have some constraints more than SDP-US now?
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- sean: Example is the delta area if you move a region.
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- glenn: Constraints on authoring for graphics performance.
- 15:32:54 [mmartin3]
- ...Capture intent without being ambiguous.
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- dolan: Is this text helpful.
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- glenn: Documenting that we are thinking about it may be helpful.
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- sean: If word sufficiently, this would make use of TTML in SDP easier.
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- glenn: Working Group Note?
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- sean: Yes.
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- ...Roll-up to TTML 1.1 potentially.
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- glenn: If we do intend to revise this, do we want a Note?
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- ...Go through membership.
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- sean: Done with technical area.
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- glenn: Won't have membership endorsement or revise the draft.
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- sean: Make statement to chairs group.
- 15:37:55 [mmartin3]
- ...similar to our FPWD.
- 15:39:09 [mmartin3]
- ...go through review in TTML 1.1.
- 15:39:26 [mmartin3]
- mmartin3: Shown in updated charter.
- 15:39:47 [mmartin3]
- Ressolved to Glenn do text for Issue-188.
- 15:40:01 [mmartin3]
- Issue-190?
- 15:40:02 [trackbot]
- ISSUE-190 -- Background vs Window Color -- closed
- 15:40:02 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/190
- 15:40:11 [mmartin3]
- mmartin3: To be included.
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- ...Example only.
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- mmartin3: Will make sure preamble is provided.
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- Issue-194?
- 15:43:32 [trackbot]
- ISSUE-194 -- root container needs better definition -- open
- 15:43:32 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/194
- 15:43:47 [mmartin3]
- mmartin3: "The root container origin shall be the upper left corner of the related video coding; and the extent shall be the lower right corner."
- 15:43:54 [mmartin3]
- ....Need to add definition.
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- ...Normative text.
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- dolan: Need to have a specific definition.
- 15:45:31 [mmartin3]
- glenn: R0021 and R0022.
- 15:46:16 [mmartin3]
- R0021 - A presentation processor must fix the root container origin so that it corresponds with the top, left corner of the related media object [TTML10SE], Section 2.2. R0022 - A presentation processor must fix the root container extent so that it corresponds with the extent of the related media object [TTML10SE], Section 2.2.
- 15:46:52 [mmartin3]
- mmartin3: Text in SDP-US draft.
- 15:48:23 [mmartin3]
- Second Edition text: Related Media Object A (possibly null) media object associated with or otherwise related to a TTML document instance. For example, an aggregate audio/video media object for which a TTML document instance provides caption or subtitle information, and with which that TTML document instance is associated.
- 15:48:48 [mmartin3]
- dolan: What about registering with the video?
- 15:49:02 [mmartin3]
- glenn: Why we have definition in SE.
- 15:49:41 [mmartin3]
- ..Make suggested change.
- 15:49:59 [mmartin3]
- sean: Preamble that says the object is the video.
- 15:50:17 [mmartin3]
- glenn: Add note after 2 requirements.
- 15:50:36 [mmartin3]
- dolan: Only with video.
- 15:51:37 [mmartin3]
- glenn: Rules out to non-video related media.
- 15:51:58 [mmartin3]
- Resolved to add note on R0021 and R0022.
- 15:52:26 [mmartin3]
- sean: In this case, the related media object is the original video.
- 15:52:32 [mmartin3]
- ...Use this text.
- 15:54:37 [mmartin3]
- mmartin3: Issues all resolved.
- 15:54:48 [mmartin3]
- ...New issue from Pierre, Issue-196.
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- Issue-196?
- 15:54:50 [trackbot]
- ISSUE-196 -- Constraining encoding to UTF-8 -- raised
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- http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/196
- 15:55:03 [mmartin3]
- pal: Add constraint on encoding to UTF-8.
- 15:55:49 [mmartin3]
- glenn: Need to say it is XML first.
- 15:56:22 [mmartin3]
- sean: Syntax issues.
- 15:56:30 [mmartin3]
- ..Part of TTML 1.1.
- 15:57:25 [mmartin3]
- glenn: 2 new requirements - mandate XML and character encoding of UTF-8.
- 15:57:48 [mmartin3]
- mmartin3: XML 1.0.
- 15:58:15 [mmartin3]
- Action Glenn Add 2 new requirements - mandate XML and character encoding of UTF-8.
- 15:58:15 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-131 - Add 2 new requirements - mandate XML and character encoding of UTF-8. [on Glenn Adams - due 2012-11-22].
- 15:58:29 [mmartin3]
- Resolved to add 2 new requirements for XML 1.0 and UTF-8.
- 15:59:18 [mmartin3]
- Action-131 will resolve Issue-196.
- 15:59:23 [glenn]
- ISSUE-196?
- 15:59:23 [trackbot]
- ISSUE-196 -- Constraining encoding to UTF-8 -- raised
- 15:59:23 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/196
- 15:59:45 [mmartin3]
- mmartin3: Sense of the document.
- 15:59:51 [mmartin3]
- ...to proceed.
- 15:59:58 [glenn]
- ACTION-131: see ISSUE-196
- 15:59:58 [trackbot]
- ACTION-131 Add 2 new requirements - mandate XML and character encoding of UTF-8. notes added
- 16:00:06 [mmartin3]
- plh are you herer?
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- c/here
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- glenn: Raised 2 questions on Section 2 and 12 for some rewrites.
- 16:01:28 [mmartin3]
- ...Need to inversion of some requirements to make sure we have consistency across the document.
- 16:02:29 [mmartin3]
- sean: Clean up document and issue Last Call with 2 weeks to publish as a Note Nov 29.
- 16:02:51 [mmartin3]
- glenn: LCWD text
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- ,...Go through pubs to do so.
- 16:04:10 [mmartin3]
- Topic: Meetings
- 16:04:17 [mmartin3]
- sean: No meeting Nov 22.
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- -mike_dolan
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- -Sean
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- -[Microsoft]
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- -aadd
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- -mijordan
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- -glenn
- 16:04:44 [mmartin3]
- ..Final publication Nov 29.
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- trackbot, list attendees
- 16:05:00 [trackbot]
- Sorry, mmartin3, I don't understand 'trackbot, list attendees'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help.
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- zakim, list attendees
- 16:05:07 [Zakim]
- As of this point the attendees have been glenn, mmartin3, +1.408.771.aaaa, +1.858.847.aabb, +1.425.658.aacc, +1.650.525.aadd, mike_dolan, Sean, mijordan, +41.22.717.aaee, aadd,
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- ... Frans
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- trackbot, end meeting
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- Zakim, list attendees
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- As of this point the attendees have been glenn, mmartin3, +1.408.771.aaaa, +1.858.847.aabb, +1.425.658.aacc, +1.650.525.aadd, mike_dolan, Sean, mijordan, +41.22.717.aaee, aadd,
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- zakim, drop pal.a
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- ... Frans
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- pal.a is being disconnected
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- SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were glenn, mmartin3, +1.408.771.aaaa, +1.858.847.aabb, +1.425.658.aacc, +1.650.525.aadd, mike_dolan, Sean, mijordan, +41.22.717.aaee, aadd, Frans
- 16:05:21 [trackbot]
- RRSAgent, please draft minutes
- 16:05:21 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/15-tt-minutes.html trackbot
- 16:05:22 [trackbot]
- RRSAgent, bye
- 16:05:22 [RRSAgent]
- I see no action items