14:48:51 RRSAgent has joined #gld 14:48:51 logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/11/08-gld-irc 14:48:53 RRSAgent, make logs world 14:48:54 Zakim has joined #gld 14:48:55 Zakim, this will be GLD 14:48:55 ok, trackbot; I see T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 12 minutes 14:48:56 Meeting: Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference 14:48:56 Date: 08 November 2012 14:50:53 T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM has now started 14:51:00 +Mike_Pendleton 14:51:20 Mike_Pendleton has joined #gld 14:54:25 olyerickson has joined #gld 14:54:28 agipap has joined #GLD 14:56:08 +[IPcaller] 14:56:17 zakim, [ipcaller] is me. 14:56:17 +olyerickson; got it 14:56:23 mute me 14:56:29 zakim, mute me. 14:56:30 olyerickson should now be muted 14:56:51 PhilA2 has joined #gld 14:57:10 zakim, this will be gld 14:57:10 ok, PhilA2, I see T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM already started 14:57:36 agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20121108 14:57:43 +[IPcaller] 14:57:52 Meeting: G:D WG Weekly call 8 Nov 2012 14:58:01 gatemezin has joined #gld 14:58:11 zakim, code? 14:58:11 the conference code is 45394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), PhilA2 14:58:31 +??P13 14:58:36 zakim, P13 is me 14:58:36 sorry, PhilA2, I do not recognize a party named 'P13' 14:58:42 zakim, ??P13 is me 14:58:42 +PhilA2; got it 14:58:51 + +1.540.898.aaaa 14:58:55 zakim, ipcaller is me 14:58:55 +agipap; got it 14:59:13 mhausenblas has joined #gld 14:59:13 chair: Bernadette 14:59:14 +??P12 14:59:45 Today's agenda, see http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20121108 15:00:22 cygri has joined #gld 15:00:44 + +33.4.93.00.aabb 15:00:56 fadmaa has joined #gld 15:01:01 + +3539149aacc 15:01:03 +MHausenblas 15:01:11 zakim, mhausenblas is temporarily me 15:01:11 +cygri; got it 15:01:19 Zakim, +35391 is fadmaa 15:01:19 +fadmaa; got it 15:01:44 Zakim, mute me 15:01:44 fadmaa should now be muted 15:02:10 +Sandro 15:02:22 agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20121108 15:03:29 meeting: GLD-WG Weekly Call, 8 Nov 2012 15:03:36 martinAlvarez has joined #gld 15:04:17 scribe: PhilA2 15:04:23 scribeNick: PhilA2 15:04:43 zakim, who is here? 15:04:43 On the phone I see Mike_Pendleton, olyerickson (muted), agipap, PhilA2, +1.540.898.aaaa, ??P12, gatemezin, fadmaa (muted), cygri, Sandro 15:04:45 On IRC I see martinAlvarez, fadmaa, cygri, mhausenblas, gatemezin, PhilA2, agipap, olyerickson, Mike_Pendleton, Zakim, RRSAgent, MacTed, Makx, bhyland, trackbot, sandro 15:04:48 +[IPcaller] 15:04:56 Zakim, I'm with cygri 15:04:56 +mhausenblas; got it 15:05:37 +??P0 15:05:37 zakim, who is on the call? 15:05:38 sandro, can you associate agipap's nick with his user account? Agis Papantoniou 15:05:38 On the phone I see Mike_Pendleton, olyerickson (muted), agipap, PhilA2, +1.540.898.aaaa, ??P12, gatemezin, fadmaa (muted), cygri, Sandro, [IPcaller], ??P0 15:05:38 cygri has mhausenblas 15:05:47 zakim, aaaa is me 15:05:47 +bhyland; got it 15:06:01 -??P0 15:06:02 zakim, who is on the call? 15:06:03 On the phone I see Mike_Pendleton, olyerickson (muted), agipap, PhilA2, bhyland, ??P12, gatemezin, fadmaa (muted), cygri, Sandro, [IPcaller] 15:06:03 cygri has mhausenblas 15:06:25 +??P0 15:06:38 zakim, ??P12 is Jean-Paulo 15:06:38 +Jean-Paulo; got it 15:06:51 zakim, ??P0 is me 15:06:51 +martinAlvarez; got it 15:07:06 present+ cygri 15:07:10 GofShu has joined #GLD 15:07:33 Almeida, Joao Paulo (profile) 15:07:35 Zakim, GofShu is with me 15:07:35 +GofShu; got it 15:07:44 tinagheen has joined #gld 15:08:16 +[LC] 15:08:27 Jean-Paulo's intro -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2012Oct/0097.html 15:08:28 Zakim, [LC] is me 15:08:28 +tinagheen; got it 15:08:50 s/Jean-Paulo/Joăo Paulo/ 15:09:06 And our new member's full name is Joăo Paulo Andrade Almeida 15:09:13 zakim, who is here? 15:09:13 On the phone I see Mike_Pendleton, olyerickson (muted), agipap, PhilA2, bhyland, Jean-Paulo, gatemezin, fadmaa (muted), cygri, Sandro, [IPcaller], martinAlvarez, tinagheen 15:09:17 cygri has mhausenblas 15:09:17 fadmaa has fadmaa, GofShu 15:09:17 On IRC I see tinagheen, GofShu, martinAlvarez, fadmaa, cygri, mhausenblas, gatemezin, PhilA2, agipap, olyerickson, Mike_Pendleton, Zakim, RRSAgent, MacTed, Makx, bhyland, trackbot, 15:09:17 ... sandro 15:09:35 jpalmeida has joined #gld 15:09:45 :) 15:10:11 Makx: Hi - are you calling in via Skype? If so I know who the IPCaller is... ;-) 15:10:31 Last meetings minutes: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-10-25 15:10:38 Please review to confirm & accept ... 15:10:42 +1 15:10:53 +1 15:10:57 +1 15:10:58 +1 15:11:02 +1 15:11:39 New GLD WG members please introduce yourself ... 15:11:57 RESOLVED Minutes of 25 October accepted 15:12:33 Makx Dekkers' introduction -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2012Nov/0003.html 15:12:58 Topic: TPAC review 15:13:26 Relevant blog posts at http://storify.com/w3cteam/tpac2012-see-sketch-and-fun, http://3roundstones.com/2012/11/08/tpac-2012-liberte-and-the-open-web-platform/ and http://3roundstones.com/2012/11/08/tpac-2012-4-days-of-open-web-standards-nouvelle-cuisine/ 15:13:32 bhyland: It was a great event 15:14:00 bhyland: I posted an exec summary http://3roundstones.com/2012/11/08/tpac-2012-liberte-and-the-open-web-platform/ 15:14:07 ... great event in a terrific location 15:14:11 agipap, can you go to http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/users and enter your nickname? makes it easier for the sribe, otherwise they have to clean up the minutes manually each time 15:14:32 of course 15:14:37 ... great to see how many people with various impairments were able to fully participate and move around 15:15:22 bhyland: I got there a day early thanks to Sandy (boy that was a strong wind) but it meant I was able to get to the developers' event 15:15:23 Developers Meetup in Lyon, agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/10/TPAC/meetup-Lyon.html 15:16:06 bhyland: Majority of people were on the floor as the room was so full. So many people enagaged in watching saeries of quick demos 15:16:32 ... powered through loads of demos. Most inspiring was standards compliant Galaxy operating System 15:16:50 ... I think it's Mozilla who have developed this very impressive OS for mobile devices 15:17:00 q? 15:17:04 ... please let knkw know if you can't get to any of those pages etc. 15:17:26 ... then day by day blog is at http://3roundstones.com/2012/11/08/tpac-2012-4-days-of-open-web-standards-nouvelle-cuisine/ 15:18:03 ... I stopped by the RDF WG that cygri is in. Impressed by the meeting. Shows the importance of the charter/WG process etc. 15:18:17 nickname fixed 15:18:45 bhyland: I popped into Web ID group 15:18:59 ... that had more people than the RDF WG and had more of a start up feel 15:19:40 ... if you're not familiar with Community Groups then make yourself so. http://www.w3.org/community/ 15:20:28 sandro: CGs can be started by any 5 people (member or not) 15:20:48 .. if it works well then it can grow into becoming a WG 15:21:10 ... Business Groups cost money to join and are for vertical industries 15:21:33 bhyland: More than 100 CGs have spring up since Aug 2011 with over 1900 participants. Lots from members but majority are not 15:21:42 sandro: I'm not sure of their level of activity 15:22:11 sandro: Some I suspect are inactive, others, like the one you saw at TPAC, are very active 15:23:03 sandro: A great deashboard feature would be the number of action items that have been closed 15:23:08 BenediktKaempgen has joined #gld 15:24:09 + +49.721.aadd 15:24:14 BartvanLeeuwen has joined #gld 15:24:23 zakim, who's here? 15:24:23 On the phone I see Mike_Pendleton, olyerickson (muted), agipap, PhilA2, bhyland, Jean-Paulo, gatemezin, fadmaa (muted), cygri, Sandro, [IPcaller], martinAlvarez, tinagheen, 15:24:26 ... +49.721.aadd 15:24:26 cygri has mhausenblas 15:24:26 fadmaa has fadmaa, GofShu 15:24:26 On IRC I see BartvanLeeuwen, BenediktKaempgen, jpalmeida, tinagheen, GofShu, martinAlvarez, fadmaa, cygri, mhausenblas, gatemezin, PhilA2, agipap, olyerickson, Mike_Pendleton, 15:24:27 ... Zakim, RRSAgent, MacTed, Makx, bhyland, trackbot, sandro 15:24:43 zakim, aadd is BenediktKaempgen 15:24:43 +BenediktKaempgen; got it 15:25:09 +??P8 15:25:13 bhyland: Riffs on the general status and munificence of W3C 15:25:15 Zakim, ??p8 is me 15:25:16 +BartvanLeeuwen; got it 15:25:45 bhyland: Marilyn got me into a group to discuss perceived benefits of membership 15:26:05 bhyland: Very professional marketing strategy. 15:26:31 bhyland: I found myself sitting next to major marketing and software companies. They like W3C, the brains trust etc. 15:27:05 bhyland: Lots of W3C staff in the Gov Linked Data session I ran 15:27:19 ... lots of folk from governments from around the world in that session 15:27:34 ... there are details in the blog, especially the themes that emerged 15:27:38 Emphasize flexibility & agility. Data interoperability is 20% technology and 80% about organization dynamics — politics and emotions (credit: Bart) 15:28:02 Common problem is overwhelming government officials with tech speak. Consider having a template from which internal champions can pull language: 15:28:02 • Financial benefits 15:28:02 • Social responsibility benefits 15:28:02 • Legal & regulatory benefits 15:28:02 • Technical benefits 15:28:56 +??P31 15:28:58 q? 15:29:01 bhyland: Communication of the value proposition to government departments was highlighted by Judy Brewer who offered template wording that can be used 15:29:05 zakim, who is on the call? 15:29:05 On the phone I see Mike_Pendleton, olyerickson (muted), agipap, PhilA2, bhyland, Jean-Paulo, gatemezin, fadmaa (muted), cygri, Sandro, [IPcaller], martinAlvarez, tinagheen, 15:29:08 ... BenediktKaempgen, BartvanLeeuwen, ??P31 15:29:08 cygri has mhausenblas 15:29:08 fadmaa has fadmaa, GofShu 15:29:32 present+ Giancarlo 15:30:03 From Brazilian university community 15:30:10 Giancarlo: worked on conceptual modelling, ontology development, recent work on gov applications 15:30:34 Giancarlo Guizzardi is my colleague at the Federal University of EspĂ­rito Santo, Brazil 15:30:48 we're with the Ontology and Conceptual Modelling Research Group 15:30:51 I concluded my TPAC meetings with an enjoyable meeting with Secretary Delfino Natal de Souza of the Ministry of Planning and two Brazil office staff who participate in the W3C Government Linked Data Working Group. 15:30:51 yes 15:31:41 q? 15:32:25 cygri: I agree with what you've been saying. It was my first TPAC too. Very interesting event 15:32:56 cygri: For anyone that spends time on W3C stuff it's highly recommended. You see how other groups are working and you get to meet real people behind the mailing list 15:33:16 cygri: Good to see how the really big groups (CSS, HTML) handle their processes 15:33:26 -??P31 15:33:42 bhyland: HTML5 WG has 200+ people signed up with 75 active - that's a lot... 15:34:04 bhyland: We have a great WG here in GLD, we should be proud 15:34:32 bhyland: The RDF WG was being very methodical cf. other less focussed groups 15:35:05 PhilA2: Notes that HTML chairs are more or less FT on that job and we have extra paid editors to support them 15:35:38 +[IPcaller.a] 15:36:09 s/FT/Full Time/ 15:36:25 99% chance that next TPAC will be in China in Nov 2013 15:37:44 bhyland: I left with a heightened sense of importance of W3C as a standards body. Grounded, well established etc. 15:37:56 gguizzardi has joined #gld 15:38:20 PhilA2: Wants to shout the name Alexandra Lavirotte who is the primary person to whom congrats are due for the success of TPAC 15:39:09 q? 15:39:56 UK Gov't Linked Data WG was held on 5-Nov-2012 was http://data.gov.uk/linked-data/UKGovLD 15:40:09 Topic: UK Gov't Linked Data WG 15:40:27 Backed by members of staff of local ministry, they provided the venue & support for the event. 15:40:37 Participants were both public & private sector people. 15:41:44 Per PhilA2, they discussed … vocabularies, best practices. About 40-50 people in the room. About 20 are likely to be active and the usual suspects hopefully will continue to do the heavy lifting … but hope more will join/support their efforts! 15:41:59 UK Gov LD WG mailing list http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ukgovld/ 15:42:13 PhilA2 offered the use of W3C infrastructure to facilitate discussions... 15:42:53 RE: TPAC 2012 GLD breakout, We discussed approaches to resolve the “http://www.theodi.org/blog/four-challenges-open-data” as described by Jeni Tennison who attended the session.  15:43:22 bhyland: Jeni was at TPAC. She and I and Hadley discussed various things on her blog 15:44:32 jpalmeida, could you please go to http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/users and add your IRC nickname there? this helps the scribe, otherwise the scribe needs to manually add it in the minutes every week :-) 15:44:48 Topic: Agenda Planning 15:45:16 PhilA2: My strong suggestion for date/p[lace for meeting is http://2013.data-forum.eu/ 15:45:38 bhyland: Does anyone have suggestions for f2f timing etc. 15:45:39 PhilA2, +1 15:45:56 +1 to EDF but we had Ireland already ;) 15:45:56 q? 15:46:22 Michael: Speaking as one of the General Chairs of this event 15:46:29 Yeah! Dublin in April :-) 15:46:49 q+ to ask about Google Hangout thing that people were talking about 15:46:53 But what about 2 times Ireland? 15:46:55 PhilA highly encouraged this as a colocation meeting venue/time for the GLD WG 15:47:14 cygri: I remember we talked about a Google hangout this year 15:47:31 -[IPcaller.a] 15:47:45 q+ 15:47:56 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Open_Days 15:48:03 q+ to ask about isa core vocab status 15:48:08 Michael: but that's really the open office hours 15:48:09 ack me 15:48:09 cygri, you wanted to ask about Google Hangout thing that people were talking about 15:48:11 +??P31 15:48:11 Doodle : http://doodle.com/9q4bcgp87t862amr 15:48:25 -Sandro 15:48:30 bhyland: There was such a discussion, yes... 15:48:42 PhilA2: I thought we'd settled on Thursday 6 Dec 15:49:01 bhyland: Well then let's make it so 15:49:40 -??P31 15:49:48 bhyland: Does anyone from the US want to comment on US travel likelihoods to get to Dublin 15:49:58 Mike_Pendleton: There's no way I could get support to go over seas 15:50:02 … No support for overseas travel. 15:50:04 tinagheen: +1 to Mike_Pendleton 15:50:37 -[IPcaller] 15:50:50 mhausenblas: We can get from Galway to Dublin, yes 15:51:09 for some reason I've dropped out 15:51:16 -BenediktKaempgen 15:52:01 +BenediktKaempgen 15:52:05 PhilA re-iterated that F2F meetings are challenging with travel restrictions but really important. We need to ensure people who cannot travel can participate. 15:52:48 BenediktKaempgen: I would like to come to Galway or Dublin, yes, if I can. Google Hangout - definitely 15:52:58 +[IPcaller] 15:53:20 bhyland: There are people who have faded away from the WG because they're busy doing other things that it would be good to have back 15:53:43 bhyland: To new people, I hope we can quickly find something for you to get your teeth into 15:54:01 +[IPcaller.a] 15:54:06 q? 15:54:12 ack BartvanLeeuwen 15:54:12 BartvanLeeuwen, you wanted to ask about isa core vocab status 15:54:16 Ack Bart 15:54:51 +Sandro 15:54:52 BartvanLeeuwen: On agenda planning - something I'd like on an agenda... there was some discussion about the ISA core vocs and the w3.org namespace... 15:55:08 (sorry, back -- had to drop off for a minute -- in person interruption) 15:55:09 I'm back 15:55:47 TOPIC: ISA Programme Vocabs 15:56:07 q+ to suggest review of open, overdue and pending-review actions for one of the next calls 15:56:13 -[IPcaller] 15:56:27 PhilA: Status of W3 namespace and approval to FPWS is dependent upon this group. They are actively on the "front burner" 15:56:46 at iswc 15:56:52 BartvanLeeuwen: Next week is ISWC so can we discuss those vocabs in 2 weeks' time? 15:56:56 at iswc 15:56:56 an i am 15:56:59 bhyland: Who is at ISWC next week then? 15:57:17 +1 to be there 15:57:21 bhyland: More than 4... I'll have a chat with George and see whether we should have a meeting next week 15:57:23 Sounds like about 4 people from our WG will be at Boston at ISWC. 15:57:42 bhyland: We'll let you know, no later than Tuesday whether we have a meeting next week 15:58:00 bhyland: I think a number of us came back from TPAC feeling pretty energised... 15:58:05 BartvanLeeuwen: we could talk... email me your skype 15:58:07 q? 15:58:13 q? 15:58:20 ack cygri 15:58:20 cygri, you wanted to suggest review of open, overdue and pending-review actions for one of the next calls 15:58:56 cygri: Since we had agenda planning on the agenda - I wanted to suggest we reviewed actions and issues, to see which are still relevant 15:59:08 cygri: Can we make the tracker relevant again 15:59:17 rrsagent, make logs public 15:59:28 bhyland: Will do, yes. +1 Richard 15:59:30 q? 15:59:40 -Mike_Pendleton 15:59:40 bhyland: Thanks everyone 15:59:41 +[IPcaller] 15:59:42 thx bhyland 15:59:56 -tinagheen 15:59:56 -martinAlvarez 15:59:56 buy! 15:59:56 meeting adjourned 15:59:56 thx bye 15:59:57 -BenediktKaempgen 15:59:57 -cygri 15:59:58 olyerickson has left #gld 15:59:58 -agipap 15:59:58 -Sandro 16:00:00 -[IPcaller] 16:00:00 bye 16:00:02 -gatemezin 16:00:02 -bhyland 16:00:04 -olyerickson 16:00:04 -BartvanLeeuwen 16:00:05 -PhilA2 16:00:05 -Jean-Paulo 16:00:08 agipap has left #gld 16:00:13 -fadmaa 16:00:14 @olyerickson … you were very quiet … are you OK? 16:00:20 zakim, bye 16:00:20 Zakim has left #gld 16:00:22 leaving. As of this point the attendees were Mike_Pendleton, olyerickson, PhilA2, +1.540.898.aaaa, agipap, +3539149aacc, cygri, fadmaa, gatemezin, Sandro, [IPcaller], mhausenblas, 16:00:22 ... bhyland, Jean-Paulo, martinAlvarez, GofShu, tinagheen, +49.721.aadd, BenediktKaempgen, BartvanLeeuwen 16:00:35 zakim, aaaa is me 16:00:36 rrsagent, generate minutes 16:00:36 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/08-gld-minutes.html PhilA2 16:00:58 PhilA2, this group uses commonscribe, not RRSAgent 16:01:14 https://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/panel/?group=gld 16:01:16 cygri: Yes, I know, but I trust RRSagent more ;-) 16:03:48 PhilA2, your backward superstitions are your own problem ;-) 16:23:53 PhilA2 has left #gld 17:59:26 cgueret has joined #gld