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14:58:28 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_(WCAG2ICT)10:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
14:58:29 <trackbot> Meeting: WCAG2ICT Task Force Teleconference
14:58:29 <trackbot> Date: 06 November 2012
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15:01:10 <korn> Zakim, Oracle has Peter_Korn
15:01:10 <Zakim> +Peter_Korn; got it
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15:01:25 <Zakim> +MaryJo
15:01:36 <Kiran_Kaja> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:01:36 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kiran, David_MacDonald, Andi_Snow_Weaver, +1.608.514.aaaa, [Oracle], ??P7, MaryJo
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15:01:39 <Zakim> [Oracle] has Peter_Korn
15:01:43 <Zakim> +Gregg_Vanderheiden
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15:01:52 <Andi> zakim, ??P7 is Janina_Sajka
15:01:52 <Zakim> +Janina_Sajka; got it
15:02:26 <Kiran_Kaja> Zakim, Kiran is Kiran_Kaja
15:02:26 <Zakim> +Kiran_Kaja; got it
15:02:35 <Andi> chair: Andi_Snow-Weaver
15:02:44 <MaryJo> scribe: Mary_Jo_Mueller
15:02:52 <MaryJo> scribenick: MaryJo
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15:03:07 <janina> zakim, mute me
15:03:07 <Zakim> Janina_Sajka should now be muted
15:03:10 <Andi> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/KeyTerms/results#xWCAGEDIT
15:03:19 <MaryJo> topic: Survey from 6 November
15:04:18 <MaryJo> Some of the terms were taken to the WCAG working group for approval and WCAG had some edits.  In addition, there were some unaddressed comments from Loic that are included in this survey.
15:05:17 <Andi> regrets: Alex_Li, Loic_Martinez_Normand, Bruce_Bailey
15:06:21 <Zakim> +Judy
15:06:24 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:06:30 <shadi> zakim, ipcaller is me
15:06:30 <Zakim> +shadi; got it
15:06:49 <MaryJo> WCAG was clear that in their definitions that they mean 'Web content'.  Gregg's proposal is that we define 'content' more broadly.
15:09:57 <MaryJo> Note 1 will have to change: To say we are talking about 'content' instead of 'non-web content'.
15:13:32 <David> q+
15:13:49 <David> q-
15:16:43 <Zakim> +??P3
15:17:29 <Andi> zakim, ??P3 is Janina_Sajka
15:17:29 <Zakim> +Janina_Sajka; got it
15:17:38 <janina> zakim, mute me
15:17:38 <Zakim> 'janina' is ambiguous, janina
15:18:08 <janina> zakim, Janina_Sajka has me
15:18:08 <Zakim> +janina; got it
15:18:14 <janina> zakim, mute me
15:18:14 <Zakim> 'janina' is ambiguous, janina
15:18:32 <janina> zakim, mute Janina_Sajka
15:18:32 <Zakim> Janina_Sajka was already muted, janina
15:18:46 <Kiran_Kaja> q+
15:19:34 <greggvanderheiden> q+
15:19:48 <Andi> ack kiran
15:20:19 <Andi> ack gregg
15:21:20 <MaryJo> Discussion on including 'code or markup that defines' in the definition.
15:22:07 <MaryJo> That phrase added back in since it was in the WCAG edited version.
15:23:37 <MaryJo> Proposal made to remove the first note in light of edits made in the meeting.
15:28:14 <Kiran_Kaja> q+
15:28:45 <Andi> ack kiran
15:29:41 <Andi> assembly of content, such as a file, set of files, or streamed media, that is not part of software and that does not include its own user agent
15:30:13 <greggvanderheiden> Note: Non-web content occurs in two places; documents and software. When content occurs in a document, a user agent is needed to in order to communicate the content's information and sensory experience to the user.  When content occurs in software, a separate user agent isn't required - the software itself does that.
15:30:15 <MaryJo> For the document definition - the M376 didn't like the use of the word 'files' in the definition and so used 'logically distinct assembly' instead.
15:30:29 <greggvanderheiden> that is Peters suggestion for Note
15:31:47 <Zakim> -Janina_Sajka
15:31:55 <MaryJo> There is support for using a generic term, and suggestion made to use 'assembly of content' and in the examples include 'files'.
15:32:06 <Zakim> -Janina_Sajka.a
15:32:07 <Andi> proposal for document: assembly of content (a file, set of files, or streamed media) that is not part of software and that does not include its own user agent
15:32:28 <Zakim> +??P3
15:32:32 <MaryJo> s/suggestion/a proposal was/
15:32:33 <Andi> proposal for document: assembly of content, such as a file, set of files, or streamed media that is not part of software and that does not include its own user agent
15:32:55 <korn> Andi, I think we need to start with "an".  So: "an assembly of..."
15:38:07 <Andi> zakim, who is noisy?
15:38:18 <Zakim> Andi, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P3 (81%), Gregg_Vanderheiden (63%), Judy (3%)
15:38:46 <korn> Zakim, who is here?
15:38:46 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kiran_Kaja, David_MacDonald, Andi_Snow_Weaver, [Oracle], MaryJo, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Judy, shadi, ??P3
15:38:49 <Zakim> [Oracle] has Peter_Korn
15:38:49 <Zakim> On IRC I see janina, MaryJo, greggvanderheiden, korn, Kiran_Kaja, Zakim, RRSAgent, Judy, David, Andi, MichaelC, shadi, trackbot
15:40:07 <MaryJo> topic: Definition of 'User agent'
15:41:22 <korn> q+
15:42:22 <Andi> q+
15:42:45 <Andi> ack korn
15:42:48 <MaryJo> We could approach this term the same way we approached 'content'.
15:43:24 <greggvanderheiden> q+
15:44:02 <Andi> ack andi
15:45:50 <Andi> ack gregg
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15:48:52 <janina> zakim, ??P3 is Janina
15:48:52 <Zakim> +Janina; got it
15:50:29 <MaryJo> 2nd sentence in introductory paragraph conflicts with our definition of user agent for WCAG2ICT.
15:51:37 <korn> q+
15:52:57 <Andi> ack korn
15:54:46 <Andi> For WCAG2ICT, the term needs to be applied to content that is not on the web and is used as follows:
15:55:35 <korn> q+
15:56:07 <Andi> ack korn
15:58:44 <MaryJo> Discussion on further edits to the first paragraph for 'user agent' definition. Proposal to order the definitions with 'user agent' coming after the definitions for content, document, and software.
16:03:30 <korn> Gregg: please chage it to: "For non-web ICT this needs to be viewed differently."
16:03:59 <Zakim> -Janina
16:05:01 <Zakim> +??P16
16:05:32 <janina> zakim, ??P16 is Janina
16:05:32 <Zakim> +Janina; got it
16:07:58 <MaryJo> topic: WCAG edits to the definitions
16:08:23 <MaryJo> These are marked in red and purple strikethrough text.
16:09:47 <MaryJo> These edits are mostly editorial. The most substantive change was adding 'For example, a driver with no user interface would not be covered.' to note 2 of software definition.
16:10:13 <MaryJo> We further edited this to: 'For example, driver software with no user interface would not be covered.'
16:14:16 <MaryJo> RESOLUTION: Accept to the section on understanding key terms as amended in EDITS FROM 2012-11-06 MEETING OF WCAG2ICT.
16:15:41 <MaryJo> topic: Including or excluding the parenthetical term 'non-web' in the definitions
16:17:06 <MaryJo> s/to the section/edits to the section/
16:17:45 <MaryJo> If we include 'non-web' in our definitions, then we can't use that term directly in the SC that use those terms. Proposal was made to NOT include 'non-web' in the definitions.
16:19:31 <MaryJo> RESOLUTION: No action.
16:19:43 <MaryJo> topic: WCAG edits of key terms
16:20:07 <korn> q+
16:20:11 <korn> q-
16:20:26 <Zakim> -Janina
16:20:46 <MaryJo> RESOLUTION: No action on WCAG edits of key terms, since proposals already covered in previous resolutions.
16:20:50 <korn> q+
16:20:57 <greggvanderheiden> Q+
16:21:00 <MaryJo> topic: Note on UAAG
16:21:02 <Zakim> +??P16
16:21:22 <MaryJo> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/KeyTerms/results
16:21:47 <MaryJo> This is useful, but may be better covered in the introduction rather than the definitions.
16:21:50 <korn> q-
16:21:56 <Andi> ack gregg
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16:24:19 <korn> q+
16:24:41 <Andi> ack korn
16:26:27 <Andi> action: Peter to work with Alex, Kiran, and Gregg to draft introductory text to address the UAAG concern with user agent
16:26:27 <trackbot> Created ACTION-77 - Work with Alex, Kiran, and Gregg to draft introductory text to address the UAAG concern with user agent [on Peter Korn - due 2012-11-13].
16:26:46 <MaryJo> topic: Title of the WCAG2ICT document
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16:27:51 <Andi> zakim, mute ??P19
16:27:51 <Zakim> ??P19 should now be muted
16:28:18 <korn> q+
16:28:32 <greggvanderheiden> https://sites.google.com/site/wcag2ict/home/introduction-to-wcag2ict-application-note/general-introduction-text
16:28:59 <MaryJo> There was a concern that this draft document might be a standard rather than a note. There was a proposal distributed to modify the introduction to make this clear.
16:29:15 <greggvanderheiden> here are the changes that judy is referring to
16:29:16 <greggvanderheiden> https://sites.google.com/site/wcag2ict/home/--frontmatter-for-wcag2ict
16:29:39 <korn> q-
16:30:05 <greggvanderheiden>  the edits is shown in RED and also summarized at the bottom for screen reader users  (search for "summary of edits" )
16:31:04 <MaryJo> There is also a proposal to change the title of our document which we'll need to address.
16:31:11 <greggvanderheiden> there are also edits made to intro at https://sites.google.com/site/wcag2ict/home/introduction-to-wcag2ict-application-note/general-introduction-text   (those edits were also included on the previous page
16:31:31 <Judy> q+
16:32:33 <Andi> ack judy
16:33:17 <MaryJo> Judy is seeking comment on the proposed updates sent out to the task force members.
16:34:59 <MaryJo> Specifically comment on whether there are there specific problems that aren't addressed in the intro and reinforced in the abstract.
16:35:23 <greggvanderheiden> q+
16:35:31 <greggvanderheiden> q_
16:35:35 <greggvanderheiden> ack g
16:35:42 <MaryJo> topic: Work left to do
16:35:53 <Judy> s/might be a standard/might be misunderstood to be on track to become a standard/
16:36:23 <MaryJo> Address remaining comments on our draft.
16:36:35 <MaryJo> Definition of conformance.
16:36:40 <Judy> s/modify the introduction/modify the abstract, status, and intro to redundantly/
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16:37:13 <MaryJo> other remaining term definitions
16:37:41 <Judy> s/aren't addressed in the intro and reinforced in the abstract/aren't already addressed in the intro and reinforced in the abstract and status/
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16:39:50 <Zakim> Attendees were David_MacDonald, Andi_Snow_Weaver, +1.608.514.aaaa, Peter_Korn, MaryJo, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Kiran_Kaja, Judy, shadi, janina
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16:41:47 <MaryJo> rrsagent, make minutes
16:41:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/06-wcag2ict-minutes.html MaryJo
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