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13:50:22 <trackbot> Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
13:50:22 <trackbot> Date: 01 November 2012
13:50:29 <mmartin3> Chair:
13:50:31 <mmartin3> Sean Hayes
13:50:35 <mmartin3> scribe
13:50:37 <mmartin3> mmartin3
13:52:07 <Zakim> SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM has now started
13:52:14 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
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14:00:34 <Zakim> +Sean
14:00:48 <Zakim> + +1.858.882.aaaa
14:01:04 <Zakim> +pal
14:01:24 <mmartin3_> Zakim, list attendees
14:01:24 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been [Microsoft], Sean, +1.858.882.aaaa, pal
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14:01:50 <mmartin3_> Regrets pal (may join on IRC)
14:02:24 <Zakim> +Andrew_Kirkpatrick
14:03:09 <mijordan> Zakim Andrew_Kirpatrick is mijordan
14:03:29 <mmartin3_> Zakim, list attendees
14:03:29 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been [Microsoft], Sean, +1.858.882.aaaa, pal, Andrew_Kirkpatrick
14:03:38 <mmartin3_> Zakim, Microsoft is mmartin3
14:03:38 <Zakim> +mmartin3; got it
14:04:04 <mijordan> Zakim, Andrew_Kirpatrick is mijordan
14:04:04 <Zakim> sorry, mijordan, I do not recognize a party named 'Andrew_Kirpatrick'
14:04:05 <mmartin3_> Zakim, aaaa is mike
14:04:06 <Zakim> +mike; got it
14:04:28 <mmartin3_> Zakim, list attendees
14:04:28 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Sean, +1.858.882.aaaa, pal, Andrew_Kirkpatrick, mmartin3, mike
14:04:41 <mmartin3_> Zakim, Andrew_Kirkpatrick is mijordan
14:04:41 <Zakim> +mijordan; got it
14:04:53 <mmartin3_> Topic: SDP-US Issues
14:04:55 <mmartin3_> Issue-19?
14:04:55 <trackbot> ISSUE-19 -- drop @bidi-override? -- closed
14:04:55 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/19
14:05:01 <mmartin3_> Issue-194?
14:05:02 <trackbot> ISSUE-194 -- root container needs better definition -- raised
14:05:02 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/194
14:06:04 <mmartin3_> mike: Explains issue - root container definition is silent in TTML 1.0. SDP-US needs to define it. Definition proposed in Issue text.
14:06:29 <mmartin3_> sean: Concern is whether originating TV content should account for safe area.
14:07:04 <mmartin3_> mike: Assume full coded video; account for safe area in authoring. DECE assumes this.
14:07:25 <mmartin3_> sean: Makes sense.
14:07:46 <mmartin3_> ...Fontsize issue falls out too.
14:07:55 <mmartin3_> ....Turn into a note to show how arrived at.
14:07:59 <mmartin3_> mijordan: Agree.
14:08:40 <mmartin3_> mmartin3: Do we add a note on safe area?
14:09:16 <mmartin3_> sean: Note that authors should do the safe area in positioning in authoring content.
14:10:04 <mmartin3_> Resolved proposal as found in the issue: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/194.
14:10:40 <mmartin3_> Action Glenn to implement resolution to Issue-194 as proposed http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/194.
14:10:40 <trackbot> Created ACTION-125 - Implement resolution to Issue-194 as proposed http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/194. [on Glenn Adams - due 2012-11-08].
14:10:54 <mmartin3_> Issue-195?
14:10:54 <trackbot> ISSUE-195 -- default fontSize conflcts with TTML -- raised
14:10:54 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/195
14:11:39 <mmartin3_> sean: Now we have resolved root container, we have default grid that tells us default fontSize. Add a comment how calculate font size.
14:12:20 <mmartin3_> mmartin3: Turn into a note. Relate R0026 as an appropriate note based on resolution for Issue-194.
14:12:34 <mmartin3_> Action Sean Draft text for making R0026 a Note.
14:12:34 <trackbot> Created ACTION-126 - Draft text for making R0026 a Note. [on Sean Hayes - due 2012-11-08].
14:12:56 <mmartin3_> Action Glenn to implement Issue-195 resolution based on Action-126 Note (from R0026).
14:12:56 <trackbot> Created ACTION-127 - Implement Issue-195 resolution based on Action-126 Note (from R0026). [on Glenn Adams - due 2012-11-08].
14:13:28 <mmartin3_> Resolved Issue-195 with proposal in Issue http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/195 and based on Note from Sean Hayes in Action-126.
14:13:44 <mmartin3_> Issue-188?
14:13:44 <trackbot> ISSUE-188 -- Bounding SDP-US rendering complexity -- open
14:13:44 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/188
14:14:01 <mmartin3_> sean: Not ready for a presentation.
14:14:22 <mmartin3_> mmartin3: Suggest we discuss criteria.
14:15:04 <mmartin3_> sean: Compatible with CFF-TT. Limit complexity of authored document. Render upcoming subtitle in the time you have for the one you are presenting. CFF needs to go farther on the rendering model.
14:15:11 <mmartin3_> Double buffering is needed for a practical model.
14:15:27 <mmartin3_> ...Ratify against CFF model first.
14:15:57 <mmartin3_> ...Separate from profile?
14:16:11 <mmartin3_> mmartin3: Not go in SE.
14:16:21 <mmartin3_> sean: Structure for SDP-US draft?
14:16:49 <mmartin3_> mike: Uses profile in a different way.
14:18:39 <mmartin3_> mmartin3: Suggested separate document with a reference paragraph in Future Needs - placeholder.
14:18:57 <mmartin3_> mike: Is important to profile. We could have in a second edition.
14:19:03 <mmartin3_> ...of the profile.
14:19:12 <mmartin3_> sean: Want to get SDP-US published as a Note.
14:20:12 <mmartin3_> mmartin3: Can we take my suggestion to show in Future Needs and allow us to publish SDP-US.
14:20:19 <mmartin3_> sean: Reasonable approach.
14:20:39 <mmartin3_> mijordan:
14:20:41 <mmartin3_> Agree
14:21:37 <mmartin3_> sean: Leave open. Target to SDP-US update. Add note and won't block SDP-US issue.
14:22:57 <mmartin3_> Action: mmartin3 Frame text for Future Needs to show we have an intent to frame a rendering model. Dolan can assist.
14:22:57 <trackbot> Created ACTION-128 - Frame text for Future Needs to show we have an intent to frame a rendering model. Dolan can assist. [on Monica Martin - due 2012-11-08].
14:23:23 <mmartin3_> Issue-183?
14:23:23 <trackbot> ISSUE-183 -- semantics of using profile in a document -- open
14:23:23 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/183
14:23:49 <mmartin3_> mmartin3: Mike may update his proposal?
14:24:08 <mmartin3_> mike: Triggered long discussion about what profile meant.
14:24:48 <mmartin3_> ...Withdrew text to his proposal.
14:25:02 <mmartin3_> ...sean: Was to propose alternative text in Action-124.
14:25:39 <mmartin3_> ...Profile applies to the document. Leave open.
14:25:55 <mmartin3_> ...Second Edition
14:27:34 <mmartin3_> mike: Document conformance or behavior? Current thinking was to force decoder to replace the document. Text Dolan proposed will be withdrawn. Sean will specify decoder signal.
14:28:36 <Zakim> -Sean
14:29:10 <Zakim> +Sean
14:29:51 <mmartin3_> Glenn, are you here?
14:30:09 <mmartin3_> Topic: Editor Issues to Implement
14:30:23 <mmartin3_> mmartin3: He was to implement but I've yet to see published updates.
14:31:09 <mmartin3_> sean: Suggest editors' call to work through all issues.
14:31:28 <mmartin3_> mmartin3: Will do.
14:34:01 <mmartin3_> Topic: Actions Update
14:34:06 <mmartin3_> Action-123?
14:34:06 <trackbot> ACTION-123 -- Monica Martin to create updated proposa for Issue-192. -- due 2012-11-01 -- OPEN
14:34:06 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/123
14:34:19 <mmartin3_> mmartin3: EBU agreed. See thread with proposal: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Nov/0001.html
14:35:41 <mmartin3_> Action-106?
14:35:41 <trackbot> ACTION-106 -- Mike Dolan to ask SMPTE if we can make technical requirements public. -- due 2012-09-27 -- OPEN
14:35:41 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/106
14:35:50 <mmartin3_> mike: Still open.
14:36:02 <mmartin3_> ...Materials are fine but can't be shared out TTWG.
14:37:12 <mmartin3_> Topic: Close SDP-US.
14:38:00 <mmartin3_> sean: Get editorial actions in place. Only substantial issue is Issue-188. Get up as a published note. Unless there are any substantive issues we are in good shape to publish first edition on SDP-US as a Working Group Note?
14:38:05 <mmartin3_> mijordan: Agree.
14:38:14 <mmartin3_> sean: Agreed and move forward.
14:39:15 <mmartin3_> mike: Citation.
14:39:42 <mmartin3_> mmartin3: Will have preamble text to adopt latest version of TTML 1.0.
14:39:48 <mmartin3_> sean: Agreed.
14:39:54 <mmartin3_> mike: Readers aren't that smart.
14:40:09 <mmartin3_> ...Put in TTML 1.0 SE as informative reference.
14:40:17 <mmartin3_> mmartin3: That was the intent.
14:40:40 <mmartin3_> ..Will ensure this happens.
14:40:50 <mmartin3_> sean: Publish by next week Nov 8 or make a decision to do so.
14:41:28 <mmartin3_> mmartin3: Lots of good input on this profile. Thank you.
14:41:38 <mmartin3_> Topic: Adjourn.
14:41:44 <Zakim> -mike
14:41:45 <Zakim> -Sean
14:41:45 <mmartin3_> Zakim, list attendees
14:41:45 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Sean, +1.858.882.aaaa, pal, mmartin3, mike, mijordan
14:41:47 <Zakim> -mijordan
14:41:47 <Zakim> -pal
14:41:58 <mmartin3_> Zakim, add Courtney
14:41:58 <Zakim> I don't understand 'add Courtney', mmartin3_
14:42:06 <mmartin3_> trackbot, end meeting
14:42:06 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
14:42:06 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Sean, +1.858.882.aaaa, pal, mmartin3, mike, mijordan
14:42:14 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:42:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/01-tt-minutes.html trackbot
14:42:15 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
14:42:15 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/11/01-tt-actions.rdf :
14:42:15 <RRSAgent> ACTION: mmartin3 Frame text for Future Needs to show we have an intent to frame a rendering model. Dolan can assist. [1]
14:42:15 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/11/01-tt-irc#T14-22-57