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08:28:07 <Shinji> Adenda:http://www.w3.org/community/websignage/wiki/Group_meeting_at_TPAC_2012
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08:29:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/01-signage-minutes.html Shinji
08:30:11 <Shinji> Meeting: Web-based Signage Business Group meeting at TPAC2012
08:30:55 <Shinji> Chair: Futomi Hatano
08:31:15 <Shinji> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/community/websignage/wiki/Group_meeting_at_TPAC_2012
08:32:07 <Shinji> agenda?
08:36:43 <Shinji> agenda+ Welcome
08:37:03 <Shinji> agenda+ Proposals from the BG members
08:37:20 <Shinji> agenda+ Joint meeting with DAP
08:38:00 <Shinji> agenda+ Proposals from the observers (if any)
08:38:21 <Shinji> agenda+ Reviewing our draft
08:38:25 <Shinji> agenda?
08:40:10 <Shinji> agenda 1 = Welcome [Chair]
08:41:12 <Shinji> agenda 2 = Proposals from the BG members from NTT and KDDI [Chair]
08:42:07 <Shinji> agenda 3 = Joint meeting with DAP [Chair]
08:42:34 <Shinji> agenda 4 = Proposals from the observers (if any) [Chair]
08:43:14 <Shinji> agenda 5 = Reviewing our draft [Chair]
08:43:19 <Shinji> agenda ?
08:44:25 <Shinji> Scribe: Naomi Yoshizawa and Shinji Ishii
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12:31:00 <Shinji> RRSAgent, make minutes
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12:35:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/01-signage-minutes.html naomi
12:39:36 <naomi> toru:  let's start. thank you for coming
12:39:43 <naomi> ... will discuss about some topics
12:39:49 <naomi> ... let's introduce ourselves first
12:40:01 <naomi> ... there are two proposals from members - NTT and KDDI
12:40:12 <naomi> ... s/toru/futomi/
12:40:28 <naomi> ... would like to observer's opinion
12:40:36 <naomi> ... and talk about use cases and requirements
12:40:49 <naomi> ... I am Futomi Hatano, Newpholia corporation, web developer
12:40:53 <naomi> ... thank you for coming
12:41:26 <naomi> ryosuke:  I am Ryosuke @@ from NTT
12:41:32 <naomi> s/@@/Aoki/
12:42:06 <naomi> Toshi:  I am Toshiyuki Okamoto of KDDI
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12:42:32 <naomi> Chaals:  work for Yandex.  I am here for 20 minutes.  co-chair of Web Apps
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12:42:45 <naomi> ... one specification might work on WebApps
12:42:53 <naomi> ... want to talk about ideas / specifications
12:43:13 <naomi> ... important to WebApps group to listen, what we need
12:43:24 <naomi> ... if you don't, you will be completely ignored
12:43:42 <naomi> AA:  @@ from PP.  working on TV systems
12:44:02 <naomi> Ryoichi:  Ryoichi Kawada from KDDI
12:44:12 <naomi> ... research and develop
12:44:25 <naomi> aizu:  Hiroyuki Aizu of Toshiba
12:44:33 <naomi> ... manufacture of PC and devices
12:44:44 <naomi> ... try to integrate Brower to TV
12:44:48 <whyun> s/@@ from PP/hyun wook from ETRI/
12:44:55 <naomi> Katsuhiko:  Katsuhiko Kawazoe of NTT
12:45:05 <naomi> ... responsive of creating new business
12:45:10 <naomi> ... co-chair of digital signage Japan
12:45:21 <naomi> shinichi:  Shinichi Nakao of Newpholia
12:45:33 <naomi> ... working with futomi
12:45:49 <naomi> Hiroshi:  Hiroshi Yoshida of Hakuhodo which is 2nd largest PR company in Japan
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12:45:59 <naomi> Shinji:  Shinji Ishii of NTT and W3C
12:46:07 <naomi> ... working on digital signage
12:46:32 <naomi> AA:  ... from ETRI
12:46:42 <naomi> BB:  kim from KAIST
12:46:47 <naomi> ... interactive signage
12:46:49 <whyun> s/AA/SeungHei Kim/
12:47:05 <naomi> ... try to technology standard
12:47:11 <naomi> CC:  ..Kim from KAIST
12:47:17 <naomi> ... researching signage
12:47:21 <naomi> ... collecting @@ information
12:47:34 <naomi> DD:  Soobin Lee from KAIST
12:47:43 <naomi> ... first TPAC and hope to contribute a lot
12:47:53 <naomi> EE:  Kang from Korea
12:48:11 <naomi> FF:  Kiyoshi Tanaka of NTT, researcher of @@
12:48:26 <naomi> Manyoung:  Manyoung of Future technology
12:48:40 <naomi> Yamada:  Koichi Yamada of KDDI
12:48:54 <naomi> Mitsuru:  Mitsuru Yamada of KDDI
12:49:09 <naomi> Koichi:  Koichi Takagi of KDDI
12:49:19 <naomi> ... relationship between system apps and signage
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12:49:32 <naomi> toru:  Toru Kobayashi of NTT
12:49:36 <Shinji> s/ Koichi Yamada of KDDI//
12:49:46 <naomi> ... group leader of device oriented group
12:49:52 <naomi> ...expect to have many comments
12:50:02 <naomi> alan:  Alan Bird of W3C
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12:50:20 <naomi> futomi:  proposal of BG members
12:50:41 <naomi> chaals:  co-chair of WebApps
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12:50:55 <naomi> ... sent some comments to you
12:51:06 <naomi> ... highlightened is push API
12:51:18 <naomi> ... meant to allowed to application to sleep
12:51:32 <naomi> ... messages can wait to the application what to do
12:51:40 <naomi> ... working draft of WebApps
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12:51:46 <Kiyoshi> s/@@/IPTV/
12:51:50 <naomi> ... by AT&T, Telephonica ,etc
12:52:00 <naomi> ... Mozilla looks implement something like this
12:52:30 <naomi> ... /me thanks kiyoshi
12:52:54 <naomi> chaals:  disaster senario
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12:53:23 <naomi> ... WebApps needs usecases of demands and implementations
12:53:36 <naomi> ... it's not going fast
12:54:01 <naomi> ... when you want to some WGs especially for implementing
12:54:09 <naomi> ... speak up
12:54:23 <naomi> ... they don't mind to listen to your opinions
12:54:36 <naomi> ...  and please be nice
12:54:38 <Shinji> Present + Toshiyuki Okamoto, Ryosuke Aoki, Charles McCathie Nevile, Wook Hyun, Ryoichi Kawada, Hiroyuki Aizu, Katsuhiko Kawazoe, Shinichi Nakao, Hiroshi Yoshida, Shinji Ishii, Naomi Yoshizawa, Toru Kobayashi
12:54:47 <naomi> toru:  what is the difference between Web Socket and @@
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12:54:59 <naomi> Chaals:  WebSocket is OO
12:55:09 <naomi> ... push API is transport independent
12:55:22 <naomi> ... application will register some services
12:56:02 <manyoung> Present + Manyoung Cho
12:56:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/01-signage-minutes.html Alan
12:56:28 <Alan> rrsagent, set log world
12:56:33 <naomi> toru:  why operators interested in it
12:56:56 <naomi> chaals:  s/operators/Opera/
12:57:07 <naomi> s/operators/Opera/
12:57:33 <naomi> chaals:  ^^^^^
12:57:44 <Alan> s/@@/PushAPI/
12:57:45 <naomi> ... feel free to send questions to me anytime
12:57:57 <naomi> futomi:  presentation of NTT
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12:58:38 <naomi> aoki:  Multi-screen collaboration and disaster situation
12:58:48 <naomi> ... [ reviewing slide ]
12:58:59 <naomi> ... carry mobile devices such as tablet
12:59:02 <Alan> s/00/connection/
12:59:12 <naomi> ... disasters occured frequently
12:59:20 <Shinji> Present+ Koichi Takagi, Mitsuru Yamada, J. Alan Bird, Manyoung Cho, Kiyoshi Tanaka, Soobin Lee, Gisung Kim, Jaejeung Kim, Sung Hei Kim, Shin-Gak Kang, Masahito Kawamori
12:59:26 <naomi> ... Japan was struck by big earthquake and tsunami
12:59:39 <naomi> ... after the disaster people want to get informtaion
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12:59:53 <naomi> ... safety and get to know friends and family
13:00:03 <naomi> ... also wanted to know evacuation center
13:00:13 <naomi> ... but it was difficult to get those information
13:00:28 <naomi> ... our research goal is to share information after disaster quickly as possible
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13:00:40 <naomi> ... internet access was difficult and impossible
13:00:53 <naomi> ... infrastructure was damaged or network load was overloaded
13:01:17 <naomi> ... wireless screen devices didn't work
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13:01:35 <naomi> ... each devices has different carriers and operation systems
13:01:48 <naomi> ... each of them has different compliance
13:02:04 <naomi> ... each area network has connectivity using HTML5 browser
13:02:06 <Shinji> Present + Koichi Takagi, Mitsuru Yamada, J. Alan Bird, Manyoung Cho, Kiyoshi Tanaka, Soobin Lee, Gisung Kim, Jaejeung Kim, Sung Hei Kim, Shin-Gak Kang, Masahito Kawamori
13:02:15 <naomi> ... multi-screen collaboration has 3 connections
13:02:18 <naomi> ...1 @@
13:02:26 <naomi> ...2 how to use information
13:02:27 <naomi> @@@@
13:02:47 <naomi> ... 3 how to investigation to clarify the problem after disaster
13:02:57 <naomi> ... extracted problems from surveys
13:03:09 <naomi> ... [ revieiwng slides ]
13:03:26 <naomi> ... would like to discuss 3 problems
13:03:54 <naomi> ... 1. system can't catch up with current disaster situation
13:04:04 <naomi> ... situations changes rapidly
13:04:14 <naomi> ... internet access will be affected by heavy traffic
13:04:24 <naomi> ... time of internet access recovery is depend on the places
13:04:39 <naomi> ... evacuation center or train station get to communiti3es
13:04:50 <naomi> ... devices of local network change frequently
13:05:09 <naomi> ... to be effected by multi-screen @@
13:05:23 <naomi> ... want to propose information sharing using core devices
13:05:30 <naomi> ... at evacuation center using wifi
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13:05:49 <naomi> ... core device collects local information like foods supply
13:06:05 <naomi> ... it distributes information of volunteers or other evacuation center
13:06:14 <Shinji> NTT' Ryosuke Aoki  propose: Information sharing using core devices
13:06:16 <naomi> ... they upload corrected information
13:06:31 <naomi> ... information sharing realize network available
13:06:43 <naomi> ...3. there are too AAAAAAA
13:06:50 <naomi> ... [ reviewing photos ]
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13:07:09 <naomi> ... [ puts hundreds of notes ]
13:07:17 <naomi> ... difficult to check and read all of them
13:07:40 <naomi> ... to solve this problem is to layout reconsiliation  BBBB
13:07:50 <naomi> ... core device such as Digital signag
13:08:02 <naomi> ... core device download information requested from display on their mobile
13:08:12 <Shinji> NTT' Ryosuke Aoki  propose #2 : Layout reconstruction of trimmed information
13:08:13 <naomi> ... each people get information targetted one
13:08:30 <naomi> ... finally the layout construct reviewing information
13:08:48 <naomi> ... they can store information in their mobile
13:09:03 <naomi> ... 10. senior / impaired people can't understand the announcement
13:09:21 <naomi> ... not everybody could understand all informtaion
13:09:26 <naomi> ... need to be easy to understand
13:09:40 <naomi> ... display information according to user profile on their mobile
13:09:48 <Shinji> NTT' Ryosuke Aoki  propose #3 : displaying information according to user profile
13:10:13 <naomi> ... for seniors to recomment to use big mobiles
13:10:23 <naomi> s/recomment/recommend
13:10:38 <naomi> ... need to discuss those 3 issues
13:10:59 <naomi> ... how can mark up distinguish core devices from non-core devices
13:11:04 <naomi> ... how can CCCCC
13:11:08 <naomi> ... how can DDDDD
13:11:27 <naomi> futomi:  let's talk about this standarlization step by step
13:11:49 <naomi> ... 1. information shring using core devices
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13:12:07 <naomi> ... there is a leader at each evacuation center
13:12:25 <naomi> ... each core devices collect and output information
13:12:51 <naomi> ... if hte core device is full battery, core devices turns into automatically FFF
13:13:05 <naomi> ... adopts sharing information
13:13:23 <Shinji> explains core device non-core devices
13:13:24 <naomi> futomi:  personnel devices could be a device?
13:13:54 <naomi> ... I don't want my smartphone gets core device
13:14:06 <naomi> ... if mine become to it, traffic will concentrate to my phone
13:14:21 <naomi> ... there there are many people around my mobile it will be hang up
13:14:39 <naomi> ryosuke
13:14:42 <Shinji> Chair: smartphone is core device?
13:14:53 <naomi> ryosuke:  if it's connected to power, your mobile could be core device
13:15:17 <naomi> ... it's possible for your phone to be a core device short time
13:15:40 <naomi> ... core device might not be able to run always
13:15:50 <naomi> ... just only collection information
13:15:57 <naomi> ... and updates
13:16:10 <naomi> s/collection/collect/
13:16:23 <naomi> futomi:  core device should be digital signage terminal
13:16:30 <naomi> ... it has a big battery
13:16:58 <naomi> GG:  PPP
13:17:23 <Shinji> s/GG/Shin-Gak Kang/
13:17:52 <naomi> ryosuke:  Tokyo station has a lot of digital signage which could be an evacuation center
13:18:07 <naomi> ... if each mobile could be core device GGGGG
13:18:37 <naomi> hyun:  digital terminal could communicate to evacuation information
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13:19:12 <naomi> ... is my smartphone send information?
13:19:22 <naomi> ryosuke:  you can use it through router
13:19:36 <naomi> hyun:  localized network?
13:19:55 <naomi> ryosuke:  core devices connected to wifi router which directly use @@
13:19:59 <sangwhan1> rrsgagent, draft minutes
13:20:02 <naomi> ... should be easy
13:20:08 <sangwhan1> s/rrsgagent, draft minutes//
13:20:12 <sangwhan1> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:20:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/01-signage-minutes.html sangwhan1
13:20:28 <naomi> hyun:  how PPPPP
13:20:45 <naomi> futomi:  wondering which part is good for web technology
13:20:57 <naomi> ... some systems apps not relevant to web
13:21:05 <naomi> ... some functions is web technology
13:21:16 <sangwhan1> present+ Sangwhan_Moon
13:21:31 <naomi> ryosuke:  core device through and have server function
13:21:36 <naomi> ... connecting internet
13:21:45 <naomi> ... local area network is core device
13:21:54 <naomi> ... same display and same functions
13:22:04 <naomi> ... so user can display information
13:22:12 <naomi> futomi:  HTML is already working
13:22:22 <naomi> ... what kind of web technology will be used
13:22:33 <naomi> ... what kind of api should be required
13:22:58 <naomi> ryosuke:  apis of develper using this function [pointing slides ]
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13:23:18 <naomi> futomi:  are we talking about OOO
13:23:51 <naomi> futomi:  smartphone upload information
13:24:12 <naomi> ryosuke:  core device finds each devices in a local area network
13:24:18 <Shinji> Slide: Information sharing using core device
13:24:20 <whyun> s/how PPPPP/it's quite useful use case for safety confirmation in the disaster situation, but those service can be achieved by general web server within digital signage terminal/
13:24:33 <naomi> futomi:  key of this proposal IIII
13:25:06 <naomi> ryosuke:  we want to create this API as core device
13:25:25 <sangwhan1> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:25:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/01-signage-minutes.html sangwhan1
13:25:31 <naomi> futomi:  discovering devices around me i.g. NFC or @@ or wifi-direct
13:26:04 <naomi> ryosuke:  Oofunato or Miyagi had big damages
13:26:09 <Shinji> s/@@/bluetooth/
13:26:10 <naomi> ... they made wifi network
13:26:21 <Shinji> q?
13:26:28 <naomi> ... but this system connection is wireless
13:26:48 <naomi> BB:  want to know what kind of information the core device correct
13:26:53 <Shinji> s/BB/Gisung/
13:26:59 <naomi> ryosuke:  safety of family or friends information
13:27:29 <naomi> ... people separated from family and stayed each evacuation center having no internet connection nor telephone
13:27:45 <naomi> ... calling children could't established
13:28:07 <sangwhan1> s/could't established/was not possible/
13:28:08 <naomi> ... if core device correct those information, the volunteer moves and distribute it to each devices
13:28:15 <naomi> BB:  who makes html document
13:28:22 <sangwhan1> s/BB/Gisung/
13:28:37 <naomi> ryosuke:  volunteers and I am now forming system
13:29:00 <naomi> Katsuhiko:  how to share information at the same time
13:29:10 <naomi> ... peer to peer information
13:29:19 <naomi> ... information shouldn't be changable
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13:29:31 <naomi> ... but could be shareble
13:29:43 <naomi> ryosuke:  reference p to p system
13:30:10 <naomi> ... we use a flow by human
13:30:24 <naomi> ... people detect core device
13:30:38 <naomi> ... people comes to evacuation center detect core device
13:30:48 <naomi> ... so they can collect information
13:31:26 <Shinji> q?
13:31:35 <naomi> ryosuke:  miyagi / oofunato had many evacuation center
13:31:45 <naomi> ... we could use human power
13:31:52 <Shinji> slide #14 : question from ETRI Kang, ETRI Hyun,  KAIST Gisung, NTT Katsuhiko,
13:32:19 <naomi> ryosuke:  2 proposal  Multi-screen collaboration of digital PPPP
13:32:32 <naomi> ... How can mark up reconstruct a layout after data trimming
13:32:39 <naomi> futomi:  is it OCR?
13:32:42 <naomi> ryosuke:  yes
13:32:58 <naomi> ... Optical Caractor Reader
13:33:30 <naomi> ... [ showing slides - hundreds of notes ]
13:33:55 <naomi> ... if safety information could get into as digital signage
13:34:01 <JonathanJ1> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:34:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/01-signage-minutes.html JonathanJ1
13:34:09 <naomi> ... an user could access to those information
13:34:31 <naomi> futomi:  receiving information to a mobile
13:34:42 <naomi> ryosuke:  but display size is different
13:34:44 <Shinji> ..silde #18 Multi-screen collaboration of digital signage and mobile deives
13:35:02 <naomi> futomi:  information is digital data
13:35:10 <naomi> ... this requirements discussed by our BG
13:35:18 <naomi> ... usecase and requirements documents
13:35:36 <naomi> ... it requires discovering terminal and communicating terminal
13:35:44 <naomi> ... those are listed in our document
13:35:50 <naomi> ... let's talk it later
13:36:11 <naomi> aizu:  clip @@?
13:36:23 <naomi> ryosuke:  user could pick up targetted information
13:36:37 <sangwhan1> s/targetted/targeted/
13:36:42 <naomi> ... people could select and collect information easily
13:36:52 <naomi> ... cut and paste are easy
13:37:05 <naomi> ... could do trimming information
13:37:18 <naomi> aizu:  looks like evernote function
13:37:24 <Shinji> Present + Sangwhan Moon, Peter Hutchins
13:37:24 <JonathanJ1> FYI - I've proposed a new element for collaboration with mobile and fixed device on HTML WG - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Nov/0002.html
13:37:33 <naomi> ryosuke:  our research focus is how to clip and layout reconstruction
13:37:40 <naomi> futomi:  challenging
13:37:56 <naomi> BB:  issue suggested is selecting partial area of web page?
13:38:10 <naomi> ... after collecting multiple ```
13:38:24 <naomi> ... are you talking about everything?
13:38:43 <naomi> futomi:  big data first and we pick up information
13:39:01 <naomi> ... one person needs to small portion of information
13:39:11 <naomi> ... it should be transfered to quickly
13:39:18 <naomi> CC:  portion?
13:39:32 <naomi> ... content could be ???
13:39:48 <Shinji> ..slide #19 Layout reconstruction of trimmed information
13:39:49 <naomi> ... clip something and pickup information
13:40:12 <naomi> futomi:  important is to how to @@
13:40:15 <Shinji> s/BB/Soobin/
13:40:23 <naomi> s/futomi:/toru:/
13:40:26 <Shinji> s/CC/Kang/
13:40:41 <naomi> toru:  @@@
13:41:09 <naomi> katsuhiko:  this function, big map, I want to pick up information limited one
13:41:28 <naomi> a lady:  in this situation, implementation, who is where
13:41:36 <naomi> ... you may need to use keyword
13:41:56 <naomi> toru:  user's requirements is important
13:42:08 <naomi> ... Mr. A requires a bathroon
13:42:21 <naomi> ... automatically the device could find
13:43:18 <naomi> FF:  the case of disaster
13:43:28 <naomi> ... human hand write discription
13:43:33 <naomi> ... google finder
13:43:40 <sangwhan1> s/discription/description/
13:43:41 <naomi> ... what kind of @@ are you using
13:43:49 <sangwhan1> s/google finder/google person finder/
13:44:00 <naomi> ryosuke:  Googld personal finder requires internet accessibility available
13:44:12 <sangwhan1> s/oogld/oogle/
13:44:15 <naomi> ... many volunteers wrote each information (typed)
13:44:22 <naomi> ... this sitution is after disaster
13:44:31 <naomi> ... thought internet access is available
13:44:52 <naomi> FF:  local area can be installed and shared by person
13:45:09 <naomi> ryosuke:  hoping personal finder is volunteer typing
13:45:16 <naomi> ... but want to do it automatically
13:45:33 <naomi> ... tv reporters collected information and typed
13:45:38 <naomi> ... were hard
13:45:55 <Shinji> slide #19 : question from KAIST Soobin, ETRI Kang, ETRI Sung, ETRI Wook,, comment from NTT Katsuhiko
13:46:09 <naomi> ryosuke:  10. Displaying information according to user profile
13:46:17 <naomi> ... display design
13:46:27 <naomi> ... change mobile speed
13:46:33 <naomi> ... can see information visually
13:46:43 <Shinji> ..slide #23: Displaying information acceding to user profile
13:46:50 <sangwhan1> q+
13:46:52 <naomi> ... also senior people could get it but not small letters
13:47:01 <Shinji> q?
13:47:07 <naomi> futomi:  is this a personal devices?
13:47:16 <naomi> ryosuke:  each people could download an announcement
13:47:27 <naomi> ... if html documents only normal correspondence
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13:47:34 <naomi> ... some people couldn't get those
13:47:53 <naomi> ack sangwhan1
13:48:07 <naomi> sangwhan1:  operating system @@@
13:48:27 <naomi> ... netral system ``````
13:48:35 <naomi> ... the device should be pre-configured
13:48:48 <naomi> ... if you unable to use the device, what do you do
13:49:13 <naomi> ... accessibility does ¥¥¥
13:49:28 <Shinji> Comment/Question from Sangwhan (Open software ASA).
13:49:29 <naomi> ... if person adjust device ****
13:49:55 <naomi> FF:  persona devices LLLLLLLL
13:50:00 <sangwhan1> s/operating system @@@/the operating system should be taking care of this, not the content dispatcher/
13:50:11 <naomi> ... if it's personal device, it might not be possible
13:50:22 <sangwhan1> s/netral system ``````/the content should be neutral in nature and it should be up to the device to provide it in a accessible manner/
13:50:44 <naomi> ryosuke:  supply or lease a device to senior people
13:51:00 <naomi> FF:  OOO
13:51:10 <sangwhan1> s/accessibility does ¥¥¥/the accessibility groups work on the specs to make this "just work" for compliant devices/
13:51:16 <naomi> toru:  could circulate each device?
13:51:43 <Shinji> q?
13:51:49 <sangwhan1> q-
13:52:09 <naomi> GG:  spoken by TTN
13:52:16 <sangwhan1> s/Open software ASA/Opera Software ASA/
13:52:28 <naomi> ... low sentence, information provider could convey easily
13:52:35 <naomi> toru:  meaning recognition?
13:52:44 <naomi> GG:  yes
13:52:54 <naomi> futomi:  thanks, ryosuke
13:53:04 <sangwhan1> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:53:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/01-signage-minutes.html sangwhan1
13:53:13 <Shinji> slide #23: question/comment from ETRI/Kang, Opera Software/Sangwhan, NTT/Toru, KAIST/Gisung
13:53:35 <Shinji> next session will start 15:30
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13:56:53 <Shinji> test
14:02:26 <JonathanJ1> Present+ Jonathan_Jeon
14:04:08 <a12u> Present+ Hiroyuki_Aizu
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14:32:03 <Shinji> agenda?
14:33:02 <naomi> toshi:  toshi of KDDI
14:33:04 <Shinji> Next KDDI presentation
14:33:07 <kotakagi> Please see item 1 of http://www.w3.org/community/websignage/wiki/TPAC2012_KDDI_Input
14:33:16 <naomi> ... Mapping functions for signage
14:33:33 <naomi> ... mapping functions for websignage
14:33:46 <naomi> ... believe it7s important topic
14:33:57 <naomi> ... also a big one for SVG grup
14:34:03 <naomi> s/grup/group/
14:34:24 <naomi> ...1. Map and signage
14:34:37 <naomi> ... map is one of the important and indispensable component for signage
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14:34:42 <naomi> ... [ showing slide ]
14:34:56 <naomi> ... maps can be used to help travellers
14:35:06 <naomi> ... large trip map projects is goingto move things ahead
14:35:20 <Shinji> slide: Map Signage
14:35:27 <naomi> ... according to the use cases and requirements R3. Commuication @@
14:35:48 <naomi> ... 2. Map and Disaster relief and signage
14:35:51 <Shinji> slide: Mapping  Disaster Relief and Signage
14:36:09 <naomi> ... map will be the most important information phenotype helping disaster relief
14:36:11 <kotakagi> s/Communication @@/Communication with a touched device/
14:36:27 <naomi> ... ITU's actions are - announcement and Liaison to W3C
14:36:51 <naomi> ... such as evacuation shelter map and homecoming support map
14:37:18 <naomi> ... disaster is one of the important use cases for this BG
14:37:34 <naomi> ... progress report of standardization at W3C
14:37:51 <naomi> ... March 2012, the new charter of SVGWG
14:38:01 <naomi> ... prmotion of the standardization of the mapping function
14:38:15 <naomi> ... possibility to standardize some of these as basic functions of SVG2
14:38:27 <naomi> ... in the last f2f September 2012 of SVGWG
14:38:47 <naomi> ... agreed to standardize a part of the mapping functions as a part of basic functions of SVG2 by generalizing it
14:39:03 <naomi> ... details our technical discussion is outscope now
14:39:08 <naomi> ... use cases
14:39:16 <naomi> ... off-line mapping system at the time of disaster
14:39:26 <naomi> ... for signage with a variety of screen size and shapes
14:39:33 <naomi> ... only clipping on map
14:39:42 <naomi> ... not just only mapping but can be use images
14:39:51 <naomi> ... and can download
14:40:03 <naomi> ... in the W3C only SVGWG works on mapping now
14:40:17 <naomi> ... appear SVG technology on signage
14:40:33 <naomi> ... want to talk about mapping function
14:40:44 <naomi> ... Map an Signage
14:40:55 <naomi> futomi:  ideas? opinions?
14:41:10 <naomi> ... question. what is the benefit of using SVG maop
14:41:14 <naomi> s/maop/map/
14:41:21 <naomi> ... people usess Google map
14:41:27 <naomi> ... but it does't use SVG
14:41:36 <naomi> ... why google doesn't use SVG?
14:41:43 <naomi> toshi:  1st is @@
14:41:53 <Shinji> s/@@/off-line
14:42:02 <naomi> ... google map data is big size
14:42:15 <naomi> ... SVG gets information what we need
14:42:18 <naomi> ... exactly
14:42:30 <naomi> futomi:  what's the difference?
14:42:45 <naomi> ... a map using SVG was heavy
14:42:52 <naomi> ... google one was faster and light
14:43:09 <naomi> ... not familyliar with map technology but want to know clear benerfit
14:43:40 <naomi> ryoichi:  SVG map merit is close to platform
14:43:50 <naomi> ... and vendor independent
14:43:55 <naomi> ... SVG is a platform technology
14:44:29 <naomi> futomi:  is there other mapping @@
14:44:41 <naomi> s/@@/in real/
14:44:56 <Shinji> present + Hidetoshi Yokota
14:45:03 <naomi> ryoichi:  one of KDDI has a service called map for use in a case of disaster
14:45:09 <naomi> ... navigation of disaster time
14:45:16 <naomi> ... uses SVG technolgy
14:45:54 <naomi> ... [ryoichi looks for the demonstration ]
14:46:11 <naomi> toru:  what is off-line mapping
14:46:22 <naomi> ... do you need a server? or only client?
14:46:34 <naomi> toshi:  don't need a server
14:46:40 <naomi> ... show a map only references
14:47:05 <naomi> ... sigange terminal device mapping information
14:47:20 <naomi> toru:  in advance, signage terminal could download data
14:47:29 <naomi> toshi:  including mapping data
14:47:56 <naomi> ryoichi:  we don't have to rely on networks
14:48:11 <naomi> futomi:  data could be update?
14:48:24 <naomi> ryoichi:  you have to be online though
14:48:37 <Shinji> ..And we can chose combination with server or without server
14:48:39 <naomi> ... [ showing demo ]
14:49:08 <Shinji> Additional presentation from Kawata-san
14:49:35 <naomi> BB:  mapping and map should be different meanings
14:49:57 <naomi> ... which definition you are talking?
14:49:59 <Shinji> s/BB/Wook/
14:50:18 <naomi> toru:  mapping is integration of information
14:50:29 <naomi> ... map is a navigation or rout information
14:50:45 <naomi> toshi:  we talk about both of it
14:50:57 <naomi> ryoichi:  [ showing demo ]
14:50:59 <Shinji> Additional presentation is "SAIGAI Navi"
14:51:09 <naomi> ... this system works without 3G
14:51:26 <naomi> futomi:  seems like a feature phone
14:51:38 <naomi> ryoichi:  kind of old tech
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14:52:36 <naomi> futomi:  do you use an ordinary browser or proprietary application?
14:52:40 <naomi> ryoichi: the later one
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14:52:53 <naomi> ... at the disaster you need GPS
14:53:01 <naomi> futomi:  smartphone service?
14:53:02 <Shinji> This service is using map and mapping in feature phone
14:53:10 <naomi> ryoichi:  not yet but in the future
14:53:26 <Shinji> Next topic
14:53:47 <naomi> futomi:  proposal from observers
14:53:51 <naomi> ... anything?
14:54:06 <naomi> ... then review our draft
14:54:12 <naomi> ... long long long document
14:54:30 <naomi> ... URL
14:54:46 <naomi> ...@@@
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14:55:15 <naomi> futomi:  new proposal are welcome
14:55:47 <Shinji> http://www.w3.org/community/websignage/wiki/Web-based_Signage_Use_cases_and_Requirements
14:56:38 <naomi> ... R.1  Making contents using a declarative approach
14:56:46 <naomi> ... had a workshop in Makuhari last June
14:56:57 <Shinji> s/@@@//
14:56:57 <naomi> ... some member proposed declarative approaches
14:57:41 <naomi> ... we can use HTML5 or smile
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14:57:55 <naomi> ... how can I use HTML or SMILE
14:58:06 <naomi> s/smile/SMILE/
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14:58:46 <naomi> ... [ explaining requirements ]
14:59:02 <naomi> ... [ read the page ]
15:01:40 <Shinji> s/SMILE/SMIL/
15:03:56 <naomi> ... are you interested in HTML appraoch or SMIL?
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15:06:00 <Shinji> Toru: just clralfication question in this session process
15:06:18 <naomi> AA:  want to discuss about timing
15:06:26 <naomi> ... fully supported by advertisement on time
15:06:37 <Shinji> s/AA/Gisung/
15:06:42 <naomi> ... signage input generates information and you can schedule one
15:06:49 <naomi> ... event based one is important
15:06:54 <naomi> ... want to talk about it
15:07:03 <naomi> futomi:  scheduled one
15:07:39 <naomi> ... what is the difference between scheduled one or R9 or R14
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15:08:19 <naomi> BB:  advertiser pay a thousand @@
15:08:23 <naomi> ... looks into signage
15:08:33 <naomi> ... distract signage pays 1000 dollars
15:08:37 <naomi> ... user interactive
15:08:46 <naomi> ... could be disturbing for advertisers
15:08:50 <naomi> ... could be have clear senario
15:08:57 <naomi> ... compensate issue
15:09:17 <naomi> ... scheduled content
15:09:29 <naomi> ... another content by user interactively
15:09:47 <naomi> ... is the current web-based signage or web application
15:09:53 <naomi> ... do we allow ??
15:10:03 <naomi> ... free advertisement
15:10:10 <naomi> ... during the time
15:10:16 <naomi> ... annotating by markup
15:10:31 <naomi> ... structure which supports two type of conttents
15:10:41 <naomi> s/conttents/contents/
15:10:52 <naomi> ... could be a senario or requirements
15:11:07 <naomi> ... how to support advertisement
15:11:41 <Shinji> s/BB/Jaejeung/
15:11:43 <naomi> futomi:  do you assume a senario has a interactive content or static one
15:11:58 <naomi> AA:  scheduled one starts 1 o'clock
15:12:06 <naomi> ... a use turn on movie
15:12:18 <naomi> ... 5 minutes left, another advertisement starts
15:12:44 <naomi> ... we should provide something tool annotation of web contents designer
15:12:54 <naomi> ryoichi:  do you have a business examples?
15:13:07 <naomi> BB:  we are research institute
15:13:28 <naomi> ... we have met this issue people interuppted scheduling
15:13:43 <naomi> ryoichi:  what do you mean user adoptive
15:13:49 <naomi> BB:  adoptive
15:14:06 <naomi> ... base of signage is plain content of schedule
15:14:34 <naomi> ... we are looking into @@@
15:14:47 <naomi> scribenick:  Shinji
15:15:27 <naomi> s/BB/Gisung/
15:15:48 <Shinji> Futomi is confireingi time scheduled  signage
15:16:48 <Shinji> Jaejeung explain an example of  time scheduled signage
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15:17:32 <sangwhan> rrsagent, draft minutes
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15:19:10 <naomi> ack katsuhiko
15:19:30 <Shinji> from Gisung's mailLet me give an example.
15:19:30 <Shinji> Advertisement A is scheduled to be displayed on a digital signage at 1 PM. It is paid for 1 hour display (from 1 PM to 2 PM)
15:19:31 <Shinji> Advertisement B is also scheduled to be displayed just from 2 PM to 3 PM.
15:19:32 <Shinji> A user comes to the signage at 1:55 PM. He tries to play an movie clip pertaining to the advertisement A. The duration of the movie clip is 10 min.
15:20:19 <Shinji> Hiroshi : this use case is business format
15:22:27 <naomi> q+
15:22:29 <Shinji> Gisung: already
15:22:32 <naomi> q-
15:24:00 <sangwhan> q+
15:25:56 <Shinji> q?
15:26:07 <naomi> scribenick:  naomi
15:26:11 <naomi> sangwhan:  @@@
15:26:23 <naomi> ... don't know why PPP
15:26:35 <naomi> ... R14
15:26:59 <naomi> ... should be solved programatically by IIII
15:27:58 <naomi> ... submitted by YouTube
15:28:11 <naomi> ... draft stage but could address the use cases
15:28:56 <sangwhan> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/raw-file/ae41dd28af33/media-source/media-source.html
15:30:21 <naomi> ... [ explaining the draft ]
15:30:54 <Shinji> Sangwhan: explains "Media Source Extensions"
15:31:12 <naomi> ... you might want to talk to Netflix guys or ask Mike Smith
15:31:59 <naomi> toru:  viewing videos simultaneousely?
15:32:06 <naomi> Sangwhan:  que
15:32:19 <naomi> ... because costs too much
15:32:33 <naomi> ... want to take @@@
15:33:02 <naomi> ... the draft is not final one
15:33:15 <naomi> ... you can test which is available from Google
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15:33:27 <naomi> ... Opera has implementation but it's not public
15:33:43 <Shinji> .. discussion about about dynamic content insertion
15:33:54 <Shinji> s/about about/about/
15:35:27 <naomi> futomi:  media source extnetion could be a solution of R14
15:35:31 <naomi> ... especially for video
15:35:33 <Shinji> Katsuhiko and Toru: In this session, we need discussion business use case, and then discussion gap analysis.
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15:38:55 <Shinji> Futomo: R14 is related "Media Source Extensions"
15:40:44 <sangwhan> s/extnetion/extensions/
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16:01:30 <naomi> futomi:  next requirements - R2
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16:02:09 <naomi> ... this requirements has been solved
16:02:26 <naomi> ... for video contents PPP
16:02:32 <naomi> ... the format of caption is necessary
16:02:39 <naomi> ... web ttt is applicable
16:02:46 <naomi> ... images and style text
16:02:53 <naomi> ... no common capturing
16:03:08 <naomi> ... we have a solution of video but not for static content
16:03:15 <naomi> ... should we define the format?
16:03:20 <naomi> ... or HTML?
16:03:56 <naomi> sangwhan:  what is the advantage of defining static content?
16:04:40 <naomi> futomi:  we don't need these format but it might be better to use HTML but if you want to use the other way, please let me know
16:04:57 <naomi> sangwhan:  I don't think we need it and WG won't take it
16:05:07 <naomi> futomi:  ok then move to next topic
16:05:13 <naomi> ... communication touch devices
16:05:27 <naomi> ... when use touches signage terminal on he/her terminal
16:05:40 <naomi> ... smartphone get information
16:05:43 <naomi> ... gap analysis
16:05:55 <naomi> ... exchange text data i.e., URL
16:06:09 <naomi> ... we expect to transition to PPP WG
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16:07:20 <naomi> KK:  communication of touch devices
16:07:38 <naomi> ... looks like touch smartphone screen
16:07:54 <naomi> ... you can commit OOO
16:08:02 <Shinji> s/KK/Kang/
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16:08:57 <naomi> ... personal devices
16:09:03 <Shinji> s/Kang/R3. Communication with a touched device/
16:09:04 <naomi> a lady:  touch device is touch screen
16:09:26 <naomi> ... personal devices
16:09:36 <naomi> futomi: [ modifying wiki ]
16:09:46 <Shinji> s/R3. Communication with a touched device/R3/
16:10:30 <naomi> futomi:  R4
16:10:38 <naomi> ... bit difficult requirement
16:10:51 <naomi> ... in Japan many smartphone has @@ communication function
16:11:01 <sangwhan1> s/@@/infrared/
16:11:08 <naomi> ... device to device communication inflate to common communicate with devices
16:11:24 <naomi> ... if there are signage terminals, they has communication function.
16:11:33 <naomi> ... all terminal scan personal devices
16:11:45 <naomi> ... how do we communicate this  PPP
16:11:57 <naomi> ... how can we use this situation
16:12:03 <naomi> ... wifi or bluetooth
16:12:06 <sangwhan1> s/this PPP/infrared base terminals/
16:12:23 <naomi> ... need to communicate only KKK
16:12:35 <naomi> ... only solution is infrared communication
16:12:39 <sangwhan1> s/infrared base terminals/these terminals/
16:12:48 <naomi> ... if I want to communicate with next one, I just point to the terminal
16:12:51 <naomi> ... easy for human
16:13:09 <naomi> toshi:  what is the difference between O and P
16:13:18 <naomi> sangwhan1:  UUUU
16:13:53 <naomi> ... globaly available and standard in Japan from 10 years ago
16:14:01 <naomi> ... not sure for the size of out of Japanese market
16:14:03 <Shinji> s/O and P/infraed and NFC/
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16:14:13 <naomi> a lady:  we can use NFC
16:14:28 <naomi> ...  you could make the requirement
16:14:34 <Shinji> s/a lady/Sung/
16:15:01 <naomi> sangwhan1:  agreed.  generalized or combing with NFC and R3
16:15:09 <naomi> ... no API covered
16:15:31 <naomi> futomi:  smartphone with infrared function in Japan
16:15:43 <naomi> ...do you still need the requirements?
16:16:12 <naomi> BB:  let's merge R3 and 4
16:16:33 <naomi> futomi:  then I combine R3 and 4
16:17:42 <sangwhan1> ACTION: Futomi to merge R3 and R4
16:18:20 <Shinji> Editors note: R3 and R4 will combine one requirement.
16:19:01 <Shinji> Thanks  Sangwhan
16:19:10 <naomi> futomi:  R5. Discovered by personal devices
16:19:44 <sangwhan1> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:19:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/01-signage-minutes.html sangwhan1
16:19:44 <naomi> ... when a signage terminal communicates with a personal device, a personal devices need to discover a specified terminal at first
16:20:06 <naomi> ... /me sangwhan1 ++
16:20:22 <sangwhan1> s/... \/me sangwhan1 ++//
16:20:43 <naomi> futomi:  Web Intents has hopes
16:20:59 <naomi> ... one more way is network @
16:21:51 <naomi> ... [ playing a video of Daniel, Opera ]
16:22:50 <sangwhan1> http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/network-service-discovery-api-support-in-opera/
16:25:15 <naomi> futomi:  not sure this API is available for the requirements
16:25:32 <naomi> ... gotten advice from +++
16:25:52 <sangwhan1> s/+++/the DAP WG/
16:26:09 <naomi> Sangwhan1:  backing of UPnP, it's extensible
16:26:36 <naomi> ... we hope other browser could take **
16:26:46 <naomi> ... at the moment UPnP is not free
16:26:52 <naomi> ... we are paying for it
16:27:04 <naomi> ... use cases paying regardless KKK
16:27:26 <naomi> ... it's a very controversial topic - we haven't decided, too
16:27:55 <naomi> futomi:  I have programmed UPnP using JS before which was compliated
16:28:19 <naomi> ... but I will remain this phrase
16:28:44 <naomi> toru:  UPnP or DLNA
16:28:57 <naomi> ... ???
16:29:08 <naomi> Sangwhan1:  complex problem to be solved
16:29:13 <naomi> ... engaged communicatiohn
16:29:32 <naomi> s/communicatiohn/communication/
16:29:45 <naomi> ... possibility using QR code or }}}}
16:29:52 <naomi> ... requires user interaction
16:30:03 <Shinji> s/???/UPnP and DLNA is pre-registered./
16:30:24 <naomi> HH:  what is the minimun requirements of layer 3 and 2
16:30:38 <naomi> ... >>>
16:30:48 <naomi> ... if we apply this to signage
16:31:08 <sangwhan1> s/}}}}/manual url input/
16:31:24 <naomi> ... if broadcaster feature is enough for bluetooth or wifi which requires OO
16:31:25 <sangwhan1> s/KKK/then this should not be a issue/
16:31:40 <naomi> ... what is the requirements for signage
16:32:15 <naomi> ... it's not just a home environment?
16:32:33 <naomi> ... or broadcaster environment
16:32:44 <naomi> futomi:  it will be limited situation
16:33:07 <naomi> ... upper layer
16:33:35 <naomi> futomi:  R6
16:34:07 <naomi> ... Capturing an end-user
16:34:27 <Shinji> futomi: In this requirement is only focus on layer 2. not include layer 3.
16:35:25 <naomi> ...  vendor machine implement a camera
16:35:39 <naomi> ...  will be valuable
16:36:39 <naomi> futomi:  putting video date on camvas
16:37:02 <sangwhan1> q+
16:37:18 <naomi> toru:  it's an image recognition
16:38:13 <naomi> sangwhan1:  possible working now
16:38:27 <naomi> ... [ showing demo ]
16:39:18 <naomi> ... using JS recognition
16:39:23 <naomi> ... entirely JS
16:39:52 <naomi> ... technically possible now - face recognition is not good for detecting people face though
16:39:59 <naomi> ... should be more accurate
16:40:06 <naomi> ...  URL
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16:40:36 <naomi> ryoichi:  you need to send a data to server
16:40:56 <naomi> sangwhan1:  if you see a mustache, it recognizes a person
16:42:09 <sangwhan1> s/face recognition is not good for detecting people face though/the recognition code is not very good in this demo, but can be improved/
16:42:34 <naomi> BB:  R9, identifying location
16:42:56 <naomi> ... [[
16:43:07 <naomi> ... majoring information of contential dectation
16:43:16 <naomi> ... can it make more general
16:43:30 <naomi> futomi:  make sense but want to make this requirement to be separated
16:43:44 <sangwhan1> s/R9, identifying/R8, identifying/
16:44:08 <naomi> toru:  R15 is specific
16:44:18 <naomi> ... needed technology / use cases is differne
16:44:32 <naomi> sangwhan1:  base technology is the same?
16:44:48 <naomi> ... deliverable of LLL
16:45:07 <naomi> ... you can get canvas out of video, it's up to users how to implement data
16:45:16 <naomi> ftomi
16:45:26 <naomi> s/ftomi/futomi
16:45:35 <naomi> futomi:  R15 says personal meta data
16:45:42 <naomi> ... I think it's different
16:45:44 <sangwhan1> s/[[/i also think R6 and R15 /
16:46:01 <sangwhan1> s/i also think R6 and R15 /i also think R6 and R15 are similar/
16:46:37 <sangwhan1> s/LLL/this group is not to develop a computer vision library/
16:46:37 <naomi> BB:  R15 is just a identification
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16:46:46 <naomi> ... can be differenciate of use cases
16:47:09 <Shinji> s/BB/Wook/
16:47:27 <naomi> Wook:  should focus between devices
16:47:42 <naomi> ... idenfying PP
16:48:08 <naomi> AA:  identify personal  profile +++
16:48:31 <naomi> ... do we precise to get actual analysis
16:49:11 <naomi> sangwhan1:  seems like can be combined **
16:49:28 <naomi> ... general man or woman to distinguish "who"
16:49:42 <naomi> ... near field service discovery
16:50:06 <naomi> toru:  use case prospective, we shouldn't combine
16:50:39 <naomi> futomi:  not combined
16:50:45 <sangwhan1> zakim, make log public
16:50:45 <Zakim> I don't understand 'make log public', sangwhan1
16:50:52 <sangwhan1> s/zakim, make log public//
16:50:57 <sangwhan1> rrsagent, make log public
16:51:00 <naomi> toshi:  would like to confirm my presentation
16:51:02 <sangwhan1> zakim, draft minutes
16:51:02 <Zakim> I don't understand 'draft minutes', sangwhan1
16:51:09 <sangwhan1> s/zakim, draft minutes//
16:51:10 <naomi> ... review of mapping
16:51:13 <sangwhan1> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:51:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/01-signage-minutes.html sangwhan1
16:51:58 <naomi> ... my propose of mapping and PP could be continuously discussed
16:52:13 <sangwhan1> s/ and PP/ /
16:52:19 <naomi> [everybody agreed]
16:52:28 <sangwhan1> meeting adjourned
16:52:51 <sangwhan1> rrsagent, make minutes
16:52:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/01-signage-minutes.html sangwhan1
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17:00:57 <naomi> s/my propose of mapping and PP could be continuously discussed/my proposal is to review continuously map and mapping which contains SVG is resolution/
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17:04:52 <naomi> rrsagent, make minutes
17:04:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/01-signage-minutes.html naomi
17:05:28 <kotakagi> zakim, help
17:05:28 <Zakim> Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot for more detailed help.
17:05:31 <Zakim> Some of the commands I know are:
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17:06:25 <naomi> s/my propose of mapping and PP could be continuously discussed/my proposal is to review continuously map and mapping which contains SVG is resolution/
17:06:51 <naomi> rrsagent, make log public
17:06:56 <naomi> rrsagent, make minutes
17:06:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/01-signage-minutes.html naomi
17:08:41 <kotakagi> tracker, help
17:08:56 <kotakagi> rrsagent, help
17:09:39 <naomi> rrsagent, bye
17:09:39 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/11/01-signage-actions.rdf :
17:09:39 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Futomi to merge R3 and R4 [1]
17:09:39 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/11/01-signage-irc#T16-17-42