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13:55:01 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_(WCAG2ICT)10:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
13:55:02 <trackbot> Meeting: WCAG2ICT Task Force Teleconference
13:55:02 <trackbot> Date: 30 October 2012
13:55:26 <Andi> chair: Mike_Pluke
13:56:05 <Andi> scribe: Andi_Snow-Weaver
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13:59:50 <Zakim> + +1.512.423.aaaa
14:00:37 <Zakim> +MaryJo
14:00:47 <Andi> zakim, +1.512.423.aaaa is Andi_Snow-Weaver
14:00:47 <Zakim> +Andi_Snow-Weaver; got it
14:00:55 <Zakim> +??P16
14:01:15 <Andi> zakim, ??P16 is Mike_Pluke
14:01:15 <Zakim> +Mike_Pluke; got it
14:01:20 <Zakim> +[Oracle]
14:01:25 <korn> Zakim, Oracle has Peter_Korn
14:01:25 <Zakim> +Peter_Korn; got it
14:01:26 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
14:01:41 <Andi> zakim, Microsoft has Alex_Li
14:01:41 <Zakim> +Alex_Li; got it
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14:03:08 <Andi> zakim, +1.608.514.aabb is Gregg_Vanderheiden
14:03:08 <Zakim> +Gregg_Vanderheiden; got it
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14:07:34 <Andi> agenda+ Survey on important terms and Final Three https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/OCT192012/results
14:07:47 <Andi> agenda+ Survey for October 12th Meeting https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/OCT112012/results
14:08:03 <Andi> agenda+ Action Items http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG2ICT-TF/track/actions/open
14:08:53 <Andi> zakim, next item
14:08:53 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Survey on important terms and Final Three https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/OCT192012/results" taken up [from Andi]
14:09:53 <korn> q+
14:12:01 <Mike_P> q+
14:12:28 <Andi> ack korn
14:13:28 <greggvanderheiden> q+
14:14:32 <Andi> ack mike
14:15:05 <Andi> some concern about the term "embedded" which can have other connotations
14:15:36 <Andi> suggestion that we should avoid saying that software is a user agent for its own content
14:15:52 <Andi> ack gregg
14:17:17 <Andi> don't want to say software isn't a user agent because all user agents are software
14:20:27 <greggvanderheiden> q+
14:20:52 <Andi> ack gregg
14:22:21 <Mike_P> q+
14:22:29 <alex_> q+
14:23:41 <Andi> we can say software is always a user agent for it's own content and sometimes a user agent for separate content
14:23:54 <korn> q?
14:24:57 <Andi> suggestion that documents require a separate user agent, content that is embedded in software does not require a separate user agent
14:25:19 <Andi> we shouldn't redefine content as it is already defined in WCAG
14:27:20 <alex_> q-
14:27:28 <Mike_P> q-
14:27:56 <greggvanderheiden> q+
14:28:24 <Andi> to the suggestion that software is always a user agent - it's a special flavor - shouldn't apply UAAG to all software
14:28:28 <Andi> ack gregg
14:30:30 <Andi> to the software definition, the user interface might not be all of the embedded content, there could be other embedded content (like a book) that is not the UI
14:30:43 <korn> q+
14:30:59 <greggvanderheiden> ack g
14:31:02 <greggvanderheiden> ack k
14:31:31 <greggvanderheiden> q+
14:33:18 <Mike_P> q+
14:33:28 <Andi> suggestion for user agent - any software that retrieves and presents separate content for users
14:37:44 <Andi> q+
14:39:32 <Andi> q+ Kiran
14:39:37 <Mike_P> q-
14:39:40 <Andi> ack gregg
14:39:46 <Andi> q-
14:40:46 <Andi> concern about file viewers that show a preview of the file content
14:42:37 <Andi> but what about smaller portions of content, like tweets, Facebook messages, etc. ?
14:42:41 <Andi> ack kiran
14:42:52 <greggvanderheiden> q+
14:43:47 <Andi> the preview generally doesn't display the entire tweet or FB status - have to select it to read the entire message
14:43:54 <Andi> ack gregg
14:44:20 <Mike_P> q+
14:46:43 <Mike_P> q-
14:54:13 <Mike_P> q+
14:55:14 <Andi> don't want to say all software is a user agent
14:55:45 <Andi> rather it provides equivalent function for the embedded content
14:57:24 <greggvanderheiden> FOR software, THE USER INTERFACE AND ANY OTHER EMBEDDED CONTENT is covered by these guidelines. THE SOFTWARE PROVIDES A FUNCTION EQUIVALENT TO A USER AGENT FOR THE EMBEDDED CONTENT.
15:01:44 <Mike_P> q-
15:02:46 <alex_> q+
15:04:33 <Andi> ack bruce
15:04:54 <Andi> ack alex
15:04:54 <greggvanderheiden> Q+
15:07:31 <Andi> ack gregg
15:08:37 <Andi> suggestion to use "full fidelity" is a concern unless we define it
15:12:42 <greggvanderheiden> NOTE 2: An example of software that is not a user agent is a calculator application that doesn’t retrieve the calculations from outside the software to present content to a user. In this case, the calculator software is not a user agent, it is simply software with a user interface.
15:18:57 <Mike_P> q+
15:29:19 <MaryJo> I'm here
15:29:33 <MaryJo> s/I'm here//
15:29:42 <MaryJo> Yes
15:29:47 <MaryJo> s/Yes//
15:31:35 <Andi> RESOLUTION: Accept Proposal #11-PETER ( FROM MEETING
15:32:30 <Zakim> -Gregg_Vanderheiden
15:32:45 <greggvanderheiden> sorry
15:32:58 <greggvanderheiden> peter you can feed back to me separately
15:33:05 <greggvanderheiden> and I will try to incorporate
15:33:10 <greggvanderheiden> so we have it for the next meeting
15:33:13 <greggvanderheiden> OK>
15:33:14 <greggvanderheiden> ?
15:33:16 <MaryJo> s/sorry//
15:33:33 <MaryJo> s/peter you can feed back to me separately//
15:34:14 <greggvanderheiden> I am not on the call anymore
15:34:19 <MaryJo> s/?//
15:34:19 <Andi> scribe: Mary_Jo_Mueller
15:34:34 <MaryJo> s/and I will try to incorporate//
15:34:54 <Zakim> -Andi_Snow-Weaver
15:35:44 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
15:36:44 <Zakim> -Kiran_Kaja
15:36:58 <Zakim> -MaryJo
15:37:04 <Zakim> -Mike_Pluke
15:39:09 <MaryJo> ACTION: Korn to update text on the remaining items on the survey and make the word substitutions - due 1 November 2012
15:39:09 <trackbot> Created ACTION-76 - update text on the remaining items on the survey and make the word substitutions [on Peter Korn - due 2012-11-01].
15:39:10 <Zakim> -[Oracle]
15:40:08 <MaryJo> s/so we have it for the next meeting//
15:40:25 <MaryJo> s/OK>//
15:40:33 <MaryJo> rrsagent, make minutes
15:40:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/10/30-wcag2ict-minutes.html MaryJo
15:42:47 <MaryJo> scribenick: Andi, MaryJo
15:42:54 <MaryJo> rrsagent, make minutes
15:42:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/10/30-wcag2ict-minutes.html MaryJo
15:43:07 <Zakim> -Bruce_Bailey
15:43:08 <Zakim> WAI_(WCAG2ICT)10:00AM has ended
15:43:08 <Zakim> Attendees were MaryJo, Andi_Snow-Weaver, Mike_Pluke, Peter_Korn, Alex_Li, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Bruce_Bailey, Kiran_Kaja
15:52:38 <MaryJo> rrsagent, make minutes
15:52:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/10/30-wcag2ict-minutes.html MaryJo
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15:53:50 <MaryJo> scribenick: Andi
15:54:08 <MaryJo> rrsagent, make minutes
15:54:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/10/30-wcag2ict-minutes.html MaryJo
15:58:29 <MaryJo> s/I am not on the call anymore//
15:58:34 <MaryJo> rrsagent, make minutes
15:58:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/10/30-wcag2ict-minutes.html MaryJo
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20:00:55 <MaryJo> zakim, bye
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