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13:47:03 <trackbot> Meeting: WCAG2ICT Task Force Teleconference
13:47:03 <trackbot> Date: 26 October 2012
13:47:13 <Andi> chair: Andi_Snow-Weaver
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14:00:02 <Andi> zakim, ??P1 is Mike_Pluke
14:00:02 <Zakim> +Mike_Pluke; got it
14:00:03 <Zakim> +??P3
14:00:24 <Andi> zakim, ??P3 is Loic_Martinez_Normand
14:00:24 <Zakim> +Loic_Martinez_Normand; got it
14:00:28 <Zakim> +MaryJo
14:00:41 <Zakim> +[Oracle]
14:00:50 <korn> Zakim, Oracle has Peter_Korn
14:00:50 <Zakim> +Peter_Korn; got it
14:01:04 <Zakim> +Kiran_Kaja
14:02:11 <Zakim> +Judy
14:03:33 <Zakim> +Bruce_Bailey
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14:04:34 <BBailey> zakim, i am Bruce_Bailey
14:04:34 <Zakim> ok, BBailey, I now associate you with Bruce_Bailey
14:06:01 <MaryJo> topic: WCAG working group outcomes
14:06:06 <Loic> zakim, i am Loic_Martinez_Normand
14:06:06 <Zakim> ok, Loic, I now associate you with Loic_Martinez_Normand
14:06:50 <MaryJo> The main issue was with the term 'embedded content'.
14:09:37 <Mike_P> q+
14:09:38 <korn> q+
14:09:43 <Judy> q+
14:10:55 <Judy> q-
14:11:28 <MaryJo> 'Non-web' content is very broad as a replacement for the 'non-embedded non-Web content'.
14:11:41 <MaryJo> https://www.dropbox.com/s/yfi41a03eubpdn2/Key%20Terms%20for%20Intro.doc
14:13:27 <Andi> ack mike
14:13:49 <Andi> ack korn
14:14:01 <MaryJo> Maybe we could use 'non-web content file', but sometimes the content is in several files such as a movie.
14:15:57 <MaryJo> We could replace 'content' specifically with 'non-web content file' when we specifically want to exclude software.
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14:17:09 <Mike_P> q+
14:22:52 <MaryJo> Discussion on the spreadsheet file Gregg sent out: Removing non-embedded-1.xlsx
14:24:56 <Andi> ack mike
14:25:01 <korn> q+
14:30:22 <Andi> ack korn
14:32:09 <MaryJo> Also looking at Gregg's simple substitution table and the substitutions.doc that Mike sent out via email.
14:33:45 <Mike_P> q+
14:34:27 <Andi> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:34:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see Mike_Pluke, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Loic_Martinez_Normand, MaryJo, [Oracle], Kiran_Kaja, Judy, Bruce_Bailey
14:34:29 <Zakim> [Oracle] has Peter_Korn
14:34:49 <Andi> ack mike
14:37:01 <MaryJo> If we say 'non-embedded content and software' in our interpretations, it makes it easier to harmonize with the M376 split of Software and the non-embedded content.
14:37:02 <Mike_P> q+
14:37:46 <Andi> ack mike
14:41:18 <Zakim> +Shadi
14:41:32 <shadi> zakim, mute me
14:41:32 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
14:41:39 <Mike_P> q+
14:42:07 <MaryJo> The WCAG working group didn't like the term 'non-embedded' which is not easy for some readers to understand (too technical).
14:42:17 <Loic> q
14:42:21 <Loic> q+
14:45:17 <MaryJo> The only SCs that our advice differed are in 1.4.4, 2.4.4, 3.1.1, and 4.1.1.
14:46:54 <korn> Idea: State in the intro that content can be in a separate file that  uses a separate user agent (similar to WCAG content), or be embedded  within software.  We retain the term "content" for that which needs a  separate user agent, and use the term "software" where we mean content  in software.
14:46:57 <korn> q+
14:47:04 <Andi> ack mike
14:47:12 <MaryJo> The term 'embedded' wasn't very well received in M376 because it has other technical meanings.
14:47:30 <Andi> ack loic
14:50:16 <Andi> M376 list of SC that have different applicability notes for non-embedded content and software: 1.3.1, 1.4.4, 2.1.1, 2.1.2, 2.4.4, 2.4.6, 3.1.1
14:50:31 <MaryJo> There are additional places where the advice in the M376 draft where the advice is different 1.3.1, 1.4.4, 2.1.1, 2.1.2, 2.4.4, 2.4.6, 3.1.1.  Their list doesn't include 4.1.1.
14:50:52 <korn> q?
14:51:47 <Andi> ack korn
14:51:52 <MaryJo> The WCAG2ICT also differs on those additional SCs, but the differences mainly show up in the notes.
14:52:34 <korn> Idea: State in the intro that content can be in a separate file or files  that uses a separate user agent (similar to WCAG content), or be  embedded within software.  We retain the term "content" for that which  needs a separate user agent, and use the term "software" where we mean  content in software.
14:53:18 <Mike_P> Maybe "as a part of" instead of "embedded"?
14:54:03 <greggvanderheiden> State in the intro that non-web content can be in a separate file or files  that uses a separate user agent (similar to WCAG content), or be  embedded within software.  We retain the term "content" for non-web content which  needs a separate user agent, and use the term "software" where we mean  content in software.
14:55:24 <Mike_P> Q+
14:56:36 <Andi> ack mike
14:57:03 <korn> State in the intro that non-web content can be in a separate file or  files that uses a separate user agent (similar to WCAG content), or be  embedded within software.  We retain the term "content" for that which  needs a separate user agent, and use the term "software" or "content in  software" where we mean content in software.
14:57:55 <MaryJo> Because the word 'content' is used in many places, we can't get by with just using 'content and software' and need a modifier for the word 'content' in that phrase.
14:58:13 <MaryJo> s/in many places/in many places in the SC/
14:59:13 <Mike_P> q+
14:59:46 <MaryJo> When you have 3 items of content, they would be content files.  If the content is a movie, those are content files.
14:59:50 <Andi> ack mike
15:00:09 <MaryJo> Suggestion to use 'packaged content'.
15:00:33 <korn> q+
15:00:59 <Andi> ack korn
15:01:36 <Loic> q+
15:02:17 <korn> q-
15:03:59 <MaryJo> Need to capture what the 'Web page' entity is that stands apart from 'content'.
15:04:39 <Loic> q-
15:05:00 <MaryJo> Proposal was to use 'packaged content' instead of 'Web page'.
15:05:12 <korn> q+
15:06:02 <Andi> ack korn
15:06:03 <MaryJo> We may need to use something other than the word content in 'packaged content'.
15:06:47 <MaryJo> We could use 'content package' because then it would read 'content in a content package'.
15:09:41 <Mike_P> +1 for "content IN software"
15:09:57 <Andi> "content package" for "web page"
15:10:02 <MaryJo> Replace 'Web page' with 'content package'. Reinforce the meaning of 'content'.
15:10:25 <Andi> follow WCAG definition of content - played by a user agent
15:10:50 <Andi> content in software - either software, content in software, content embedded in software
15:11:19 <Andi> q?
15:12:46 <korn> Web page becomes at least, always, "content package", which needs a user  agent to be "played" (software doesn't contain/include a "content  package".  Further, in many (most?) SCs, "web page" becomes "content  package and software".
15:13:18 <MaryJo> 'Web page' becomes 'content package and software' when we have the interpretations that apply also to software.
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15:14:30 <greggvanderheiden> 1.	Content in a Content Package (hereafter called Content Package)]– content that is in a package (somewhat analogous to a Web Page) that must be presented to the user via some other software or user agent such as a browser, or player, or viewer.
15:14:30 <greggvanderheiden> 2.	Content in Software (hereafter called Software) – content that is an integral part of the software that presents it to a user.
15:14:30 <greggvanderheiden> a.	All software has some content in it. But because embedded content is integral with its presenting software (i.e. the software is both content and user agent) – some of the success criteria would apply slightly differently than they would for content that is viewed through a separate user agent (e.g. browser, player, viewer, etc.)
15:14:42 <greggvanderheiden> ===========
15:14:45 <greggvanderheiden> When the word “Content” is used in WCAG the term refers to “web content”.   When used in this document we are referring to content that is not on the web.   We divide this into two categories.
15:14:45 <greggvanderheiden> 1.	Content in a Content Package (hereafter called Content Package)]– content that is in a package (somewhat analogous to a Web Page) that must be presented to the user via some other software or user agent such as a browser, or player, or viewer.
15:14:46 <greggvanderheiden> 2.	Content in Software (hereafter called Software) – content that is an integral part of the software that presents it to a user.
15:14:47 <greggvanderheiden> a.	All software has some content in it. But because embedded content is integral with its presenting software (i.e. the software is both content and user agent) – some of the success criteria would apply slightly differently than they would for content that is viewed through a separate user agent (e.g. browser, player, viewer, etc.)
15:15:24 <Judy> q+
15:16:16 <Andi> me Hi back :)
15:16:27 <Andi> s/me Hi back :)//
15:17:48 <Judy> q+
15:17:59 <MaryJo> This would become part of the key terms section of the introduction.  Then the interpretive words would be added into the appropriate SCs. In a few places the terms would be broken apart where we separated out the non-embedded content from the software.
15:18:47 <Andi> q+
15:18:51 <Andi> ack judy
15:18:56 <greggvanderheiden> q+
15:21:25 <Andi> ack andi
15:21:42 <MaryJo> It looks like these terms will be usable by the M376 group. The definitions may not be copied verbatim, but do seem reasonable.
15:22:18 <korn> WCAG defines content as "information and sensory experience to be communicated to the user by means of a user agent, including                code or markup that defines the content's               structure, presentation,  and interactions".  This definition of content is constrained to that  which is communicated by a user agent.  However, 'information or sensory  experience' may also be embedded in software (which may or may not be a  user agent). 
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15:23:04 <MaryJo> Section 508 will not be using the term 'non-embedded content', as it is not plain language.
15:24:25 <Judy> q+
15:24:33 <MaryJo> Documents and files will probably be used instead, as they are plain language terms.
15:24:46 <Mike_P> q+
15:24:47 <Judy> q+ to comment on terms of art
15:25:15 <Andi> ack gregg
15:25:26 <Andi> +1 to "content file" - was going to suggest that myself
15:25:41 <korn> When we say "content file", we also include things like movies that may actually comprise multiple files.
15:26:10 <korn> ... and we include streamed files media
15:26:35 <MaryJo> Could we say 'content file' and define 'content file'.
15:27:10 <korn> q+
15:28:19 <BBailey> q+
15:28:25 <Andi> ack judy
15:28:25 <Zakim> Judy, you wanted to comment on terms of art
15:28:25 <greggvanderheiden> Content (on and off the web)
15:28:26 <greggvanderheiden> When the word “Content” is used in WCAG the term refers to “web content”.   When used in this document we are referring to content that is not on the web.   We divide this into two categories.
15:28:27 <greggvanderheiden> 1.	Content that must be viewed via a user agent (hereafter called Content File)–
15:28:29 <greggvanderheiden> a.	content that is in a file (somewhat analogous to a Web Page) that must be presented to the user via some other software or user agent such as a browser, or player, or viewer.
15:28:30 <greggvanderheiden> 2.	Content that is embedded in Software which also acts a the user agent for the content (hereafter called Software)
15:28:31 <greggvanderheiden> a.	– content that is an integral part of the software that presents it to a user.
15:28:32 <greggvanderheiden> b.	All software has some content in it. But because embedded content is integral with its presenting software (i.e. the software is both content and user agent) – some of the success criteria would apply slightly differently than they would for content that is viewed through a separate user agent (e.g. browser, player, viewer, etc.)
15:29:08 <korn> Gregg: we can't use "content that must be viewed..." as "content file".  It is something that is IN a content file.
15:29:40 <Andi> ack bruce
15:30:00 <greggvanderheiden> ============================
15:30:00 <greggvanderheiden> Content (on and off the web)
15:30:00 <greggvanderheiden> When the word “Content” is used in WCAG the term refers to “web content”.   When used in this document we are referring to content that is not on the web.   We divide this into two categories.
15:30:02 <greggvanderheiden> 1.	Content File–
15:30:03 <greggvanderheiden> a.	content that is in a file (somewhat analogous to a Web Page) that must be presented to the user via some other software or user agent such as a browser, or player, or viewer.
15:30:04 <greggvanderheiden> 2.	Software
15:30:06 <greggvanderheiden> a.	content that is an integral part of the software that presents it to a user (i.e. the software is both content and user agent).
15:30:06 <greggvanderheiden> b.	All software has some content in it. But because embedded content is integral with its presenting software
15:30:07 <greggvanderheiden> c.	some of the success criteria would apply slightly differently than they would for content that is viewed through a separate user agent (e.g. browser, player, viewer, etc.)
15:31:13 <Andi> ack mike
15:32:08 <korn> When the word “Content” is used in WCAG the term refers to “web content”.   [The <href>WCAG definition</href> contrains content to things communicated by means of a user agent]  When used in this document...
15:32:08 <MaryJo> It is hard to capture a good term that pulls in all of the examples such as documents, movies, audio files, etc. into a common word.
15:32:49 <Andi> q+
15:32:51 <Andi> ack korn
15:33:00 <MaryJo> 'Content file' seems to be a good enough term that could be used by Section 508 as well.
15:33:30 <korn> q-
15:34:00 <Mike_P> In the definition we could make clear that "content file" includes multiple files.
15:34:13 <BBailey> +1 to say document include media files
15:34:30 <Zakim> -Kiran_Kaja
15:34:46 <Mike_P> Q+
15:34:52 <MaryJo> Why couldn't 'document' be used to capture all of the types of files since when you look in the 'My Documents' folder in windows it includes all of those other types of files.
15:34:56 <korn> "document" to also be defined to include streamed media
15:35:26 <Judy> q?
15:35:43 <Zakim> -Loic_Martinez_Normand
15:35:48 <Andi> ack andi
15:36:49 <korn> q+
15:36:54 <Andi> ack mike
15:36:56 <Judy> q+
15:39:39 <korn> q-
15:39:49 <Andi> ack judy
15:40:35 <MaryJo> We could use 'content file' in the definition of 'document' so include all of the various video, audio, etc. files in the definition.
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15:41:25 <greggvanderheiden> q+
15:41:27 <korn> <definition of document>  - this is a very expansive term.  It is  ANYTHING that needs a user agent to have it's content communicated to  the user.  It includes all content files, streamed media, etc. etc.
15:41:31 <Mike_P> Q+
15:41:58 <korn> q+
15:42:37 <Andi> ack gregg
15:42:58 <Andi> ack mike
15:43:48 <Judy> q+
15:43:58 <Andi> ack korn
15:45:22 <Andi> ack judy
15:45:34 <Mike_P> Bruce: :-)
15:45:57 <korn> q+
15:45:58 <Andi> s/Bruce: :-)//
15:46:58 <Andi> ack korn
15:47:08 <greggvanderheiden> 1.	Document
15:47:09 <greggvanderheiden> a.	content that is in a file, or set of files, that must be presented to the user via some other software or user agent such as a browser, or player, or viewer.
15:47:10 <greggvanderheiden> b.	Notes:
15:47:11 <greggvanderheiden> i.	Documents, movies, and    are examples of content files
15:47:12 <greggvanderheiden> ii.	This is analogous to a web page where the page may be a single file from one URI or it may be a “page” file along with multiple other files (images, scripts, etc) from other URIs.
15:48:25 <greggvanderheiden> i.	Letters, reports, spreadsheets, emails, Word docs, movies, and    are examples of content files
15:49:00 <korn> 1.	Document
15:49:00 <korn>  a.	content that is  in a file, or set of files, [or streamed] that [can only be conveyed] to the user via some  other software or user agent such as a browser, or player, or viewer.
15:49:00 <korn>   b.	Notes:
15:49:00 <korn>   i.	Documents, movies, and    are examples of content files
15:49:01 <korn>   ii.	This is  analogous to a web page where the page may be a single file from one URI  or it may be a “page” file along with multiple other files (images,  scripts, etc) from other URIs.
15:51:42 <greggvanderheiden> a.	content that is in a file, or set of files, or streamed that requires a user agent such as a browser, or player, or viewer to be  communicated to the user
15:51:42 <greggvanderheiden> b.	Notes:
15:51:43 <greggvanderheiden> i.	Letters, spreadsheets, emails, movies, and    are examples of content files
15:51:44 <greggvanderheiden> ii.	This is analogous to a web page where the page may be a single file from one URI or it may be a “page” file along with multiple other files (images, scripts, etc) from other URIs.
15:52:07 <korn> a. content - that is  in a file, or set of files, [or streamed] - that  requires a user agent or some other software to communicate it to the  user
15:53:45 <korn> i. Letters, spreadsheets, presentations, emails, movies, and pictures are all examples of documents
15:54:06 <greggvanderheiden> a.	content that is in a file, or set of files, or streamed that requires a user agent or some other software to communicate it to the  user
15:54:07 <greggvanderheiden> b.	Notes:
15:54:08 <greggvanderheiden> i.	Letters, spreadsheets, emails, books, pictures and movies are examples of documents
15:54:09 <greggvanderheiden> ii.	This is analogous to a web page where the page may be a single file from one URI or it may be a “page” file along with multiple other files (images, scripts, etc) from other URIs.
15:54:51 <Mike_P> Minor rewrite of Peter's basic definition: content, that is  in a file, set of files, or streamed, that  requires a user agent or some other software to communicate it to the  user
15:55:29 <BBailey> q+ to ask if "it" can be replaced
15:55:33 <greggvanderheiden> a.	content that is in a file, set of files, or streamed, that requires a user agent or some other software to communicate it to the  user
15:55:33 <greggvanderheiden> b.	Notes:
15:55:34 <greggvanderheiden> i.	Letters, spreadsheets, emails, books, pictures, presentations, and movies are examples of documents
15:55:35 <greggvanderheiden> ii.	This is analogous to a web page where the page may be a single file from one URI or it may be a “page” file along with multiple other files (images, scripts, etc) from other URIs.
15:56:05 <greggvanderheiden> Content (on and off the web)
15:56:05 <greggvanderheiden> When the word “Content” is used in WCAG the term refers to “web content”.   When used in this document we are referring to content that is not on the web.   We divide this into two categories.
15:56:07 <greggvanderheiden> 1.	Document
15:56:09 <greggvanderheiden> a.	content that is in a file, set of files, or streamed, that requires a user agent or some other software to communicate it to the  user
15:56:10 <greggvanderheiden> b.	Notes:
15:56:11 <greggvanderheiden> i.	Letters, spreadsheets, emails, books, pictures, presentations, and movies are examples of documents
15:56:13 <greggvanderheiden> ii.	This is analogous to a web page where the page may be a single file from one URI or it may be a “page” file along with multiple other files (images, scripts, etc) from other URIs.
15:56:14 <greggvanderheiden> 2.	Software
15:56:16 <greggvanderheiden> a.	content that is an integral part of the software that presents it to a user (i.e. the software is both content and user agent).
15:56:17 <greggvanderheiden> b.	All software has some content in it. But because embedded content is integral with its presenting software
15:56:19 <greggvanderheiden> c.	some of the success criteria would apply slightly differently than they would for content that is viewed through a separate user agent (e.g. browser, player, viewer, etc.)
15:56:20 <greggvanderheiden> ====================
15:56:22 <greggvanderheiden> Content (on and off the web)
15:56:23 <greggvanderheiden> When the word “Content” is used in WCAG the term refers to “web content”.   When used in this document we are referring to content that is not on the web.   We divide this into two categories.
15:56:25 <greggvanderheiden> 1.	Document
15:56:26 <greggvanderheiden> a.	content that is in a file, set of files, or streamed, that requires a user agent or some other software to communicate it to the  user
15:56:28 <greggvanderheiden> b.	Notes:
15:56:29 <greggvanderheiden> i.	Letters, spreadsheets, emails, books, pictures, presentations, and movies are examples of documents
15:56:31 <greggvanderheiden> ii.	This is analogous to a web page where the page may be a single file from one URI or it may be a “page” file along with multiple other files (images, scripts, etc) from other URIs.
15:56:32 <greggvanderheiden> 2.	Software
15:56:34 <greggvanderheiden> a.	content that is an integral part of the software that presents it to a user (i.e. the software is both content and user agent).
15:56:35 <greggvanderheiden> b.	All software has some content in it. But because embedded content is integral with its presenting software
15:56:35 <greggvanderheiden> c.	some of the success criteria would apply slightly differently than they would for content that is viewed through a separate user agent (e.g. browser, player, viewer, etc.)
15:59:48 <Andi> content occurs (or exists) in two categories
16:00:48 <korn> Non-web contents occurs in two places:
16:00:48 <korn>  in Documents and in Software.
16:00:48 <korn> <then def. of Document>
16:00:48 <korn> <then def. of software>
16:02:49 <Andi> q+
16:03:17 <Andi> ack bruce
16:03:17 <Zakim> Bruce_Bailey, you wanted to ask if "it" can be replaced
16:04:53 <Andi> ack andi
16:05:32 <korn> https://sites.google.com/site/wcag2ict/home/1-perceivable/14-make-it-easier-for-users-to-see-and-hear-content---including-separating-foreground-from-background/144-resize-text
16:10:21 <greggvanderheiden> me/  https://join.me/299-924-557
16:10:34 <MaryJo> Topic: What we do going forward and what the schedule should be.
16:11:42 <greggvanderheiden> Content (on and off the web)
16:11:44 <greggvanderheiden> When the word “Content” is used in WCAG the term refers to “web content”.   When used in this document we are referring to content that is not on the web.   Non-web content occurs in two places.
16:11:45 <greggvanderheiden> 1.	Document(s)
16:11:46 <greggvanderheiden> a.	content that is in a file, set of files, or streamed, that requires a user agent or some other software to communicate the content to the user
16:11:47 <greggvanderheiden> b.	Notes:
16:11:49 <greggvanderheiden> i.	Letters, spreadsheets, emails, books, pictures, presentations, and movies are examples of documents
16:11:50 <greggvanderheiden> ii.	This is analogous to a web page where the page may be a single file from one URI or it may be a “page” file along with multiple other files (images, scripts, etc) from other URIs.
16:11:52 <greggvanderheiden> 2.	Software
16:11:53 <greggvanderheiden> a.	content that is an integral part of the software that presents it to a user (i.e. the software is both content and user agent).
16:11:54 <greggvanderheiden> b.	All software with a user interface has some content in it.
16:11:55 <greggvanderheiden> c.	Because embedded content is integral with its presenting software some of the success criteria would apply slightly differently than they would for content that is viewed through a separate user agent (e.g. browser, player, viewer, etc.)
16:12:26 <korn> Gregg: I think we should reference the user agent requirement in your first paragraph above.
16:12:49 <MaryJo> We need to try to address the remaining comments.
16:13:06 <greggvanderheiden> explain?
16:13:08 <greggvanderheiden> User Agent  (derived from WCAG 2.0 by removing the word “web”)
16:13:08 <greggvanderheiden> any software that retrieves and presents content for users
16:13:09 <MaryJo> There is also conformance and the remaining few SC to consense on.
16:13:09 <greggvanderheiden> NOTE 1: Software that only displays content that is embedded inside of itself (i.e. inside the software) is not considered a user agent. It is just considered software.
16:13:10 <greggvanderheiden> Note 2: A calculator application that doesn’t retrieve the calculations from outside the software, presents content to a user but is not a user agent, it is simply software with a user interface.
16:14:14 <MaryJo> We need to try to get a stable draft by the beginning of the week after this.
16:14:23 <korn> When the word “Content” is used in WCAG the term refers to “web content”.   [such content requires a user agent in order for it to be communicated to the user].  When used in this document...
16:15:04 <MaryJo> We still have meetings on Tues. and Friday next week at the normal U.S. time.
16:16:07 <korn> We can define "content in software"
16:17:11 <MaryJo> Discussion on whether or not there is any need to define the term software. We don't want to make a definition, but can say these are examples.
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16:25:51 <MaryJo> regrets: David_MacDonald
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16:46:12 <MaryJo> s/main issue was with the term 'embedded content'/main issue was with the term 'non-embedded content'/
16:48:08 <MaryJo> s/The only SCs that our advice differed are in/The only SCs that our advice differed between software and non-embedded content are:/
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