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13:58:17 <trackbot> Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
13:58:18 <trackbot> Date: 25 October 2012
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14:03:25 <mmartin3> Chair
14:03:27 <mmartin3> Sean Hayes
14:03:39 <mmartin3> Zakim, scribe is mmartin3
14:03:39 <Zakim> sorry, mmartin3, I do not recognize a party named 'scribe'
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14:04:02 <mmartin3> Regrets
14:04:12 <mmartin3> plh
14:04:41 <mmartin3> Topic
14:04:45 <Zakim> +Andrew_Kirkpatrick
14:04:57 <mmartin3> SDP-US Issues
14:05:01 <mmartin3> Topic
14:05:06 <mmartin3> SMPTE Conference
14:06:00 <mmartin3> mike: FCC discussed government's role on captioning. Discussed technology.
14:06:10 <mmartin3> CEA, SMPTE, DECE and W3C
14:07:57 <mmartin3> sean: Brought up live streaming industry requirements. Deadlines for March 2012.
14:08:09 <mmartin3> Topic: Issues
14:08:50 <mmartin3> Issue-191?
14:08:50 <trackbot> ISSUE-191 -- Textoutline doesn't handle specific edge types outlined in R0037. Need to revise requirement and specify in Future Needs sections. -- open
14:08:50 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/191
14:09:18 <mmartin3> New proposal: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Oct/0044.html
14:10:40 <mmartin3> ...Explains updated proposal.
14:10:58 <mmartin3> sean: Presentation processor should offer the ability to the user.
14:11:28 <mmartin3> mijordan: Agree.
14:12:01 <mmartin3> Resolved updated proposal.
14:12:28 <mmartin3> Action Glenn Implement updated proposal for Issue-191 as shown in TTWG Oct 25.
14:12:28 <trackbot> Created ACTION-121 - Implement updated proposal for Issue-191 as shown in TTWG Oct 25. [on Glenn Adams - due 2012-11-01].
14:12:57 <mmartin3> Issue-182?
14:12:58 <trackbot> ISSUE-182 -- Allow more than one profile to be used in the SDP-US. Add use of ttp:profile element. -- open
14:12:58 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/182
14:13:08 <mmartin3> mmartin3: Proposal in issue.
14:13:36 <mmartin3> Issue	182 Add ttp:profile element.
14:13:50 <mmartin3> Updated proposal: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Oct/0043.html
14:14:00 <mmartin3> Original to add to new: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Oct/0029.html
14:14:42 <mmartin3> sean: Shows whole set explicitly.
14:15:09 <mmartin3> Resolved to accept original proposal + add additional text in updated proposal.
14:15:18 <mmartin3> mike: Decoder focused?
14:16:28 <mmartin3> sean: SDP-US can use the profile mechanism as defined in TTML 1.0.
14:17:43 <mmartin3> mike: My questions are answered.
14:18:16 <mmartin3> Action Glenn Implement agreed original + additional proposal for Issue-182.
14:18:16 <trackbot> Created ACTION-122 - Implement agreed original + additional proposal for Issue-182. [on Glenn Adams - due 2012-11-01].
14:18:22 <mmartin3> Issue-188?
14:18:22 <trackbot> ISSUE-188 -- Bounding SDP-US rendering complexity -- open
14:18:22 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/188
14:18:42 <mmartin3> sean: Explains issue.
14:19:06 <mmartin3> ...rendering model - Document constraints to work properly in reference decoder.
14:19:24 <mmartin3> ...Augment to apply to document and feed input to DECE.
14:19:39 <mmartin3> mike: Defer to DECE input.
14:19:40 <mmartin3> ?
14:19:53 <mmartin3> sean: No concrete proposal yet.
14:20:49 <mmartin3> pal: Complex issue being worked on by experts.
14:21:02 <mmartin3> sean: Defer to next week.
14:21:38 <mmartin3> pal: Having ability to set constraints on the renderng rate and limit complexity.
14:21:52 <mmartin3> Issue-192?
14:21:52 <trackbot> ISSUE-192 -- R0041 doesn't allow for EBT-TT conversion easily. Revise R0041 to a SHOULD. -- open
14:21:52 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/192
14:21:55 <mmartin3> Issue	192 Do we need to limit chars per line to target particular devices to adhere to FCC requirements for screen windows?
14:22:28 <mmartin3> Updated proposal: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Oct/0045.html
14:24:17 <mmartin3> mmartin3: Explains the proposal.
14:24:48 <mmartin3> mike: Should be 32?
14:25:01 <mmartin3> Andreas: No handle teletext for Europe.
14:25:28 <mmartin3> mike: Core TTML has default settings 32 by 15 initial cell grid.
14:25:40 <mmartin3> ...Redefine cell grid?
14:26:02 <mmartin3> sean: Cell grid doesn't actually control.
14:26:14 <mmartin3> ....Can change font size independent of cell grid.
14:26:25 <mmartin3> ...Not hard and fast limit.
14:26:31 <mmartin3> ...Not like CEA-608.
14:26:54 <mmartin3> mike: Add note on redefine cell resolution.
14:27:06 <mmartin3> sean: Adjust font size and/or cell resolution.
14:28:32 <mmartin3> ...Shall not exceed.
14:29:01 <mmartin3> mike: What about other aspect ratios?
14:29:20 <mmartin3> sean: Note that we don't constrain other aspect ratios.
14:29:36 <mmartin3> mike: 21:9 becoming more common.
14:29:56 <mmartin3> ...intentionally silent.
14:31:25 <mmartin3> Resolved use existing proposal. Change to SHALL not exceed on 2 total character requirements. Add note: Adjust font size and cell resolution. Add note: Doesn't constrain other aspect ratios. Accommodate existing captioning and don't explicitly constrain/are silent on other aspect ratios.
14:32:49 <mmartin3> mike: Define root container.
14:33:02 <mmartin3> Defers to application.
14:33:29 <mmartin3> ...Set to companion video width and height.
14:33:35 <mmartin3> ...Accommodate safe area?
14:33:54 <mmartin3> sean: Safe area - same aspect ratio of video?
14:33:59 <mmartin3> mike: Percentage.
14:34:47 <mmartin3> sean: TTML definitions.
14:35:07 <mmartin3> mike: Allow px metrics? Region extent?
14:35:11 <mmartin3> sean: Only percentage.
14:36:03 <mmartin3> sean: Look at separately 2.2 Terminology TTML 1.0.
14:36:30 <mmartin3> ...Gives definition.
14:36:44 <mmartin3> mike: Where is origin?
14:37:22 <mmartin3> ...Limit char in case you have a specific aspect ratio.
14:38:49 <mmartin3> mmartin3: Use Issue-180.
14:38:56 <mmartin3> ...handle questions.
14:39:20 <mmartin3> Resolved as specified above.
14:39:38 <mmartin3> sean: Mike open separate issue.
14:39:52 <mmartin3> Andreas: Use more than 32 char have to adjust cell resolution.
14:40:51 <mmartin3> Resolved use existing proposal. Change to SHALL not exceed on 2 total character requirements. Add note: Adjust font size. Add note: Doesn't constrain other aspect ratios. Accommodate existing captioning and don't explicitly constrain/are silent on other aspect ratios.
14:41:16 <mmartin3> mike: What about 32 to 38?
14:41:23 <mmartin3> ...set font size.
14:42:28 <mmartin3> sean: R0025 revision.
14:43:16 <mmartin3> Resolved use existing proposal. Change to SHALL not exceed on 2 total character requirements. Add note: Adjust font size. Add note: Doesn't constrain other aspect ratios. Accommodate existing captioning and don't explicitly constrain/are silent on other aspect ratios. Add revisions to R0025 to accommodate 32 to 38 characters, use 85%.
14:43:59 <mmartin3> mike: Error to 84%. Specify where 84% is derived from.
14:44:28 <mmartin3> Resolved use existing proposal. Change to SHALL not exceed on 2 total character requirements. Add note: Adjust font size. Add note: Doesn't constrain other aspect ratios. Accommodate existing captioning and don't explicitly constrain/are silent on other aspect ratios. Add revisions to R0025 to accommodate 32 to 38 characters, use 84%. Add note: Explain where 84% was derived from.
14:45:35 <mmartin3> Action Monica Create updated proposa for Issue-192.
14:45:35 <trackbot> Created ACTION-123 - Create updated proposa for Issue-192. [on Monica Martin - due 2012-11-01].
14:45:57 <mmartin3> Issue-183?
14:45:57 <trackbot> ISSUE-183 -- semantics of using profile in a document -- open
14:45:57 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/183
14:46:13 <mmartin3> mike: Updated proposal.
14:46:19 <mmartin3> c/mike/mmartin3
14:47:21 <mmartin3> Leave open and ask Glenn. Sort out the issue and questions.
14:48:04 <mmartin3> Action Sean Sort out the resolution and questions to Issue-183.
14:48:04 <trackbot> Created ACTION-124 - Sort out the resolution and questions to Issue-183. [on Sean Hayes - due 2012-11-01].
14:48:25 <mmartin3> Issue-189?
14:48:25 <trackbot> ISSUE-189 -- do regions scroll their flowed content? -- open
14:48:25 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/189
14:48:54 <mmartin3> mmartin3: SDP-US Example 5 update.
14:49:35 <mmartin3> sean: Have updated example.
14:49:42 <mmartin3> ...TTML 1.0 SE or SDP-US?
14:50:04 <mmartin3> ...Preference is the former.
14:50:30 <mmartin3> mike: SDP-US refers to TTML 1.0 SE.
14:50:55 <mmartin3> ...Remove example 5 in SDP-US. Reference to TTML 1.0 SE, add note in SDP-US.
14:51:13 <mmartin3> Resolved .Remove example 5 in SDP-US. Reference to TTML 1.0 SE, add note in SDP-US. Issue-189 as it relates to SDP-US.
14:51:35 <mmartin3> Issue-173?
14:51:35 <trackbot> ISSUE-173 -- presentation semantics of control characters and other unmapped characters -- open
14:51:35 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/173
14:51:53 <mmartin3> mike: TTML 1.0 need clarification.
14:52:08 <mmartin3> ...Don't understand expectations.
14:52:14 <mmartin3> ...No semantics for what they do.
14:52:20 <mmartin3> ...Impact to colors?
14:52:32 <mmartin3> ...Defer.
14:52:43 <mmartin3> ...1.1 issue.
14:53:03 <mmartin3> sean: Related to syntax. White space.
14:54:24 <mmartin3> ...Include Glenn.
14:54:42 <mmartin3> Issue-180?
14:54:42 <trackbot> ISSUE-180 -- regions relative to the root container -- open
14:54:42 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/180
14:55:51 <mmartin3> mike: Resolved in SDP-US. Need to discuss for TTML 1.0.
14:57:05 <mmartin3> Issue-180 SDP-US Action http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Oct/0033.html
14:58:29 <mmartin3> Review SDP-US issues next week.
14:58:38 <Zakim> -pal.a
14:58:39 <mmartin3> Zakim, list attendees
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14:58:51 <mmartin3> rrsagent, generate minutes #tt
14:58:51 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'generate minutes #tt', mmartin3.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
14:58:54 <Zakim> -pal
14:59:02 <mmartin3> trackbot, end meeting
14:59:02 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
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14:59:10 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:59:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/10/25-tt-minutes.html trackbot
14:59:11 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
14:59:11 <RRSAgent> I see no action items