IRC log of tagmem on 2012-10-25
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- Zakim, this will be TAG
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- ok, trackbot; I see TAG_Weekly()1:00PM scheduled to start now
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- Meeting: Technical Architecture Group Teleconference
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- Date: 25 October 2012
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- TAG_Weekly()1:00PM has now started
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- +[IPcaller]
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- +Ashok_Malhotra
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- +??P6
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- zakim, ? is me
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- +ht; got it
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- ScribeNick: ht
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- Scribe: Henry S. Thompson
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- Call: TAG telcon
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- Chair: Noah Mendelsohn
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- +Yves
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- Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/10/25-agenda.html
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- +??P9
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- OK, ready
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- Topic: Convene/Admin
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- zakim, who is on the call?
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- On the phone I see JeniT, Ashok_Malhotra, ht, Yves, ??P9
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- NM: No call next week, 2012-10-01
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- NM: Next call will be 2012-10-08
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- [NM, please update agenda to show correct dates]
- 17:09:04 [noah]
- http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/10/18-minutes
- 17:09:21 [noah]
- http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/10/07-agenda
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- NM: RESOLUTION: approved http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/10/18-minutes as minutes for 2012-10-18 call
- 17:09:34 [noah]
- zakim, who is here?
- 17:09:34 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see JeniT, Ashok_Malhotra, ht, Yves, Noah
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- On IRC I see ht, Zakim, RRSAgent, Ashok, JeniT, noahm, noah, timbl, plinss, Yves, trackbot
- 17:10:06 [ht]
- NM: Can we publish 2012-10-07 f2f minutes?
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- YL: I think we should wait
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- HST: I agree -- JAR needs to update
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- NM: HST, please chase JAR
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- HST: will do
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- NM: Once that is done, I presume we can go ahead and publish
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- NM: Two new drafts are out?
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- +TimBL
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- YL: FragIDs is out, Pub and Link should go out today
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- NM: FragIDs is a Last Call
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- Both are Last Call Working Draft
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- YL: Pub and Link will be Last Call as well
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- Topic: TPAC
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- NM: Product Page index and individual pages should be correct, so that we can point to that/them at TPAC w/o embarrassment
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- AM: Waiting for P&L to be published, will do update then, pbly tomorrow
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- NM: Don't forget the index page
- 17:15:08 [JeniT]
- http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/
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- NM: Index should be consistent with page itself
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- JT: RB won't be updating the Privacy page. . .
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- AM: PL was going to look at it
- 17:16:29 [noah]
- zakim, who is here?
- 17:16:29 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see JeniT, Ashok_Malhotra, ht, Yves, Noah, TimBL
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- On IRC I see ht, Zakim, RRSAgent, Ashok, JeniT, noahm, noah, timbl, plinss, Yves, trackbot
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- NM: Can anyone to a quick fix on that?
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- JT: I'll do something when I do the FragIDs page
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- Discuss any preparation needed for TPAC
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- AB syncup?
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- Publishing and linking last call (next item)?
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- Election procedures
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- Other?
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- HST will check on persistence and URIs
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- NM: HST is taking the lead wrt presentation planning
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- HT: I have done nothing, because waiting for meeting on Monday with Larry, Peter Ashok
- 17:18:50 [noah]
- JT: Do you want 3 slides from me?
- 17:19:03 [ht]
- HST: We'll give you some input
- 17:19:04 [noah]
- HT: Yes, great, we may give you some "anticipatory feedback"
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- NM: There will be a lunch with the AB, people have signed up
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- AM: Anything specific you (NM) want brought up?
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- NM: No -- anyone else?
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- NM: Election procedures?
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- AM: Got the feeling that the AB don't want to talk about it much
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- NM: If we pushed hard, they might do something
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- NM: How hard should we push Single Transferable Vote
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- HT: Let's start by getting a sense of where a broader cross-section of the AB is on this.
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- HT: Might be worth pursuing, depending on how others feel.
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- NM: Anything to add to the agenda?
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- Topic: Pending Review items
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- [None]
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- NM: Once we move the two pubs out the door for real, we need to have some other topics to get working on. . .
- 17:23:41 [noah]
- ACTION-617?
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- ACTION-617 -- Yves Lafon to work with Noah to take http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-namespaceState-20060329/ off the Rec track -- due 2012-10-23 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/617
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- Topic: Overdue Action items
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- YL: Hope to resolve after TPAC
- 17:24:12 [noah]
- ACTION-617 Due 2012-11-08
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- ACTION-617 Work with Noah to take http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-namespaceState-20060329/ off the Rec track due date now 2012-11-08
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- YL: SotD review?
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- NM: Send it to everyone
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- ACTION-748?
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- ACTION-748 -- Ashok Malhotra to prepare draft of Publishing and Linking by Oct 15 -- due 2012-10-15 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/748
- 17:25:04 [noah]
- close ACTION-748
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- ACTION-748 prepare draft of Publishing and Linking by Oct 15 closed
- 17:25:08 [ht]
- NM: Close this and replace with "respond to LC feedback"?
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- AM: Closing date?
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- YL: 2012-12-13
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- NM: So we'll try to have responses ready before the f2f
- 17:26:16 [noah]
- ACTION: Ashok to prepare response to last call feedback on Publishing and Linking - Due 2013-01-07
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- Created ACTION-763 - prepare response to last call feedback on Publishing and Linking [on Ashok Malhotra - due 2013-01-07].
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- AM: So we need to ask people to review this, specifically
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- ... JAR and LM to make suggestions
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- NM: Need an action?
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- AM: Yes, OK
- 17:27:33 [noah]
- ACTION: Ashok to arrange for expert review of Publishing and Linking last call draft - Due 2012-11-08
- 17:27:33 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-764 - arrange for expert review of Publishing and Linking last call draft [on Ashok Malhotra - due 2012-11-08].
- 17:28:20 [noah]
- ACTION-718?
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- ACTION-718 -- Ashok Malhotra to propose goals and success critera for TAG work on architectural issues relating to storage sync, linked data, etc. -- due 2012-10-10 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/718
- 17:28:47 [ht]
- AM: Regrets for 8 November
- 17:29:10 [noah]
- AM: Regrets for 11/8
- 17:29:24 [noah]
- ACTION-718 Due 2012-11-13
- 17:29:24 [trackbot]
- ACTION-718 Propose goals and success critera for TAG work on architectural issues relating to storage sync, linked data, etc. due date now 2012-11-13
- 17:29:44 [noah]
- ACTION-724?
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- ACTION-724 -- Henry Thompson to investigate possible TAG efforts on URI scheme proliferation and extension points -- due 2012-10-05 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/724
- 17:29:49 [noah]
- ACTION-724?
- 17:29:50 [trackbot]
- ACTION-724 -- Henry Thompson to investigate possible TAG efforts on URI scheme proliferation and extension points -- due 2012-10-05 -- OPEN
- 17:29:50 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/724
- 17:30:06 [noah]
- HT: Talked last time
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- ACTION-724 Due 2012-11-06
- 17:30:18 [trackbot]
- ACTION-724 investigate possible TAG efforts on URI scheme proliferation and extension points due date now 2012-11-06
- 17:30:27 [noah]
- ACTION-23?
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- ACTION-23 -- Henry Thompson to track progress of #int bug 1974 in the XML Schema namespace document in the XML Schema WG -- due 2012-10-05 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/23
- 17:30:59 [noah]
- That was opened 2007...at least we're persistent
- 17:31:10 [noah]
- HT: There's actually been recent discussion
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- ACTION-23 Due 2012-11-06
- 17:31:20 [trackbot]
- ACTION-23 track progress of #int bug 1974 in the XML Schema namespace document in the XML Schema WG due date now 2012-11-06
- 17:31:32 [noah]
- ACTION-560?
- 17:31:32 [trackbot]
- ACTION-560 -- Henry Thompson to review HTML polyglot last call -- due 2012-10-05 -- OPEN
- 17:31:32 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/560
- 17:32:10 [noah]
- HT: I did my actions long ago, should have been pending. Sent personal comments in. Some things got changed. Some got taken to core and some good things came of that.
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- HT: So, overtaken.
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- close ACTION-560
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- ACTION-560 Review HTML polyglot last call closed
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- s/core/XML Core/
- 17:32:31 [noah]
- ACTION-742?
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- ACTION-742 -- Henry Thompson to excavate a statement on the TAG voting issue from email/minutes that we can consider as a basis for email to the AB -- due 2012-10-04 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/742
- 17:32:40 [noah]
- close ACTION-742
- 17:32:40 [trackbot]
- ACTION-742 Excavate a statement on the TAG voting issue from email/minutes that we can consider as a basis for email to the AB closed
- 17:32:56 [noah]
- ACTION-672?
- 17:32:57 [trackbot]
- ACTION-672 -- Jeni Tennison to work with PLH to create W3C-sponsored registry of HTML extensions, and get that referenced from HTML media type registration, per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2012Jan/0048.html -- due 2012-05-29 -- OPEN
- 17:32:57 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/672
- 17:33:27 [ht]
- JT: Needs discussion -- I reached out to PLH and Mike Smith
- 17:33:39 [ht]
- ... got no response
- 17:33:56 [ht]
- JT: There is the new Web Platform initiative, right?
- 17:34:25 [ht]
- YL: Not at w3.org, but like a Wiki, can be editted
- 17:34:32 [Yves]
- http://www.webplatform.org/
- 17:34:38 [ht]
- JT: Does it have a list of all the HTML extensions under discussion
- 17:34:51 [ht]
- q+ to say "WHOA"
- 17:35:14 [noah]
- ack next
- 17:35:15 [Zakim]
- ht, you wanted to say "WHOA"
- 17:35:18 [ht]
- JT: Because if it does, all we have to do is include a pointer to that page in the media type registration for text/html
- 17:36:11 [JeniT]
- HT: I'd be surprised if IETF would accept a media type registration that pointed to a community-editable page
- 17:36:39 [noah]
- Jeni, regarding privacy update to product page, check out ACTION-716 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/716
- 17:36:46 [JeniT]
- ... it's not as simple as having a pointer to that page
- 17:37:14 [ht]
- JT: On the other hand, there is the pressure within IETF towards lighter touch wrt registries
- 17:37:31 [ht]
- NM: Reviewed vs. unreviewed?
- 17:37:38 [noah]
- JT: There is IETF pressure to move toward more wiki-like registration
- 17:37:53 [ht]
- HST: I wasn't aware of a two-phase story
- 17:38:29 [ht]
- JT: More the idea that if you want to encourage people to register things, a lighter-weight process is needed
- 17:39:01 [ht]
- NM: So something as important as, say, image/jpg, would have to be able to move from just proposed to seriously endorsed
- 17:39:19 [ht]
- JT: There will be some kind of status field . . .
- 17:39:28 [ht]
- [reverse previous two lines]
- 17:39:39 [noah]
- JT: Push it back
- 17:39:54 [noah]
- ACTION-672 Due 2012-11-06
- 17:39:54 [trackbot]
- ACTION-672 Work with PLH to create W3C-sponsored registry of HTML extensions, and get that referenced from HTML media type registration, per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2012Jan/0048.html due date now 2012-11-06
- 17:40:03 [ht]
- JT: Two/three weeks -- I can try to make some progress at TPAC
- 17:40:22 [noah]
- ACTION-741?
- 17:40:23 [trackbot]
- ACTION-741 -- Noah Mendelsohn to check with Norm Walsh on closing out HTML/XML unification work -- due 2012-10-04 -- OPEN
- 17:40:23 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/741
- 17:40:35 [noah]
- ACTION-741 Due 2012-11-06
- 17:40:35 [trackbot]
- ACTION-741 Check with Norm Walsh on closing out HTML/XML unification work due date now 2012-11-06
- 17:40:45 [noah]
- ACTION-716?
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- ACTION-716 -- Noah Mendelsohn to update privacy product page to indicate a) possible handoff to other group b) liaison with IAB & IETF privacy interest group c) goal to initiate larger activity in privacy - Due: 2012-07-31 -- due 2012-06-19 -- OPEN
- 17:40:45 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/716
- 17:41:21 [ht]
- NM: JT, you had said you might update the PP index -- this action is the relevant basis
- 17:41:39 [ht]
- JT: This looks like Privacy as a whole, not the 'old' API minimization
- 17:41:49 [noah]
- ACTION-762?
- 17:41:49 [trackbot]
- ACTION-762 -- Peter Linss to prepare for review a draft of a TAG Note focusing on the minimization message in the privacy finding. PL to check w/Robin and Dan first. -- due 2013-11-27 -- OPEN
- 17:41:49 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/762
- 17:42:17 [ht]
- JT: That due date looks wrong
- 17:43:01 [noah]
- ACTION-762?
- 17:43:01 [trackbot]
- ACTION-762 -- Peter Linss to prepare for review a draft of a TAG Note focusing on the minimization message in the privacy finding. PL to check w/Robin and Dan first. -- due 2012-11-27 -- OPEN
- 17:43:01 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/762
- 17:43:35 [noah]
- ACTION-716 Due 2013-01-06
- 17:43:35 [trackbot]
- ACTION-716 Update privacy product page to indicate a) possible handoff to other group b) liaison with IAB & IETF privacy interest group c) goal to initiate larger activity in privacy - Due: 2012-07-31 due date now 2013-01-06
- 17:43:44 [noah]
- action-760?
- 17:43:44 [trackbot]
- ACTION-760 -- Noah Mendelsohn to send Steve Zilles note saying Henry, Larry, Peter, Ashok, Tim and Jeni (Wed) could meet with AB -- due 2012-10-16 -- OPEN
- 17:43:44 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/760
- 17:43:52 [noah]
- close ACTION-760
- 17:43:52 [trackbot]
- ACTION-760 Send Steve Zilles note saying Henry, Larry, Peter, Ashok, Tim and Jeni (Wed) could meet with AB closed
- 17:44:07 [noah]
- ACTION-743?
- 17:44:07 [trackbot]
- ACTION-743 -- Noah Mendelsohn to schedule F2F discussion of issues report to Jeff Jaffe, see ACTION-563 -- due 2012-10-04 -- OPEN
- 17:44:07 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/743
- 17:44:43 [ht]
- NM: This needs to be retargetted at the Jan f2f
- 17:44:54 [noah]
- ACTION-743?
- 17:44:54 [trackbot]
- ACTION-743 -- Noah Mendelsohn to schedule F2F discussion of issues report to Jeff Jaffe, see ACTION-563 -- due 2012-10-04 -- PENDINGREVIEW
- 17:44:54 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/743
- 17:45:42 [noah]
- ACTION-692?
- 17:45:42 [trackbot]
- ACTION-692 -- Noah Mendelsohn to consider JAR's april request to discuss, for 10 mins, issues list at oct f2f -- due 2012-09-10 -- OPEN
- 17:45:42 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/692
- 17:46:28 [ht]
- NM: I view the old traditional issues list as a historical record of open issues of architectural significance
- 17:46:43 [ht]
- ... whereas the product page records our current priorities
- 17:46:48 [noah]
- ACTION-692?
- 17:46:48 [trackbot]
- ACTION-692 -- Noah Mendelsohn to consider JAR's april request to discuss, for 10 mins, issues list at oct f2f -- due 2012-09-10 -- PENDINGREVIEW
- 17:46:48 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/692
- 17:47:04 [ht]
- NM: If they aren't converging, we have a potential problem
- 17:47:20 [ht]
- NM: So I will bring this back for consideration
- 17:47:45 [ht]
- Topic: TPAC
- 17:47:56 [ht]
- I have reserved rooms for Monday morning and Friday afternoon
- 17:48:10 [ht]
- q+ to make a suggestion
- 17:48:20 [noah]
- ack next
- 17:48:21 [Zakim]
- ht, you wanted to make a suggestion
- 17:48:24 [timbl]
- q+
- 17:49:13 [noah]
- HT: I will be at WG meeting that morning (presume Monday). Peter too, I suspect. Suggest we duck out of our WGs late morning ahead of lunch.
- 17:49:45 [noah]
- HT: Sounds like Ashok and Larry are not in WGs. Perhaps you should meet up with Tim Monday morning?
- 17:50:02 [noah]
- TBL: There's WebID and RDF (scribe infers Tim wants to go to those)
- 17:50:10 [noah]
- TBL: Could do breakfast
- 17:50:23 [ht]
- AM: When is WebID
- 17:50:28 [ht]
- TBL: Mon/Tue
- 17:50:36 [ht]
- ... Same time as RDF WG
- 17:50:47 [ht]
- ... LDP is Thu/Fri
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- NM: OK?
- 17:51:15 [ht]
- HST: Catch as catch can
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- s/I have/NM: I have/
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- -Ashok_Malhotra
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- NM: Adjourned
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- -JeniT
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- -Yves
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- -TimBL
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- -Noah
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- -ht
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- TAG_Weekly()1:00PM has ended
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- Attendees were Ashok_Malhotra, JeniT, ht, Yves, Noah, TimBL
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- RRSAgent, make logs world-visible
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- Actually I am leaving Friday earlly afternoon
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