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19:09:16 <jkiss> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-api-map/raw-file/tip/Overview_temp.html
19:09:57 <cyns> zakim, this will be aapi
19:09:57 <Zakim> ok, cyns, I see WAI_PFWG(AAPI)3:00PM already started
19:09:57 <cyns> rrsagent, make logs public
19:10:22 <cyns> zakim, this will be html-aapi
19:10:22 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, cyns
19:10:49 <cyns> scribe: cynthia shelly
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19:11:25 <cyns> Scribe: cynthia shelly
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19:11:45 <cyns> Meeting: AAPI
19:11:50 <cyns> Chair: Cynthia Shelly
19:12:16 <cyns> JK: combined old MSAA and MSAA+UIA Express
19:12:36 <cyns> JK: renamed old MSAA + UIA2 column because it already included both
19:15:27 <cyns> LW: on the MSAA + IA2 column, is there an expectation of fallback to MSAA role when IA2 is not present.  So that an MSAA AT or Narrator using MSAA bridge,could get the MSAA role
19:18:17 <cyns> SF: checked firefox, and they are overwriting the MSAA role. need to check with FF on Win8 with narrator
19:28:07 <cyns> CS: Behavior in Firefox with narrator for paragraphs/text is not the same as IE.  Cynthia and Larry and need to investigate further.
19:29:09 <cyns> JK: Alex Surkov sent mail discussing how having uiaexpress and ia2 need different implementions of msaa, and there are conflicts there to work through.
19:30:16 <cyns> LW: To get both to work together, they're going to need to do interop testing.  firefox relies a lot on AT to sort this out, and hte MSAA to UIA bridge isn't as smart as AT products.  FF will need to develop and test to accomdate the bridge
19:31:02 <cyns> JK: we are currently saying that you either do UIA express or IA2 and FF is stuck in the middle.
19:31:11 <cyns> LW: or you can do UIA column.
19:31:25 <cyns> JK: what path they choose will depend on what AT they want to support.
19:32:17 <cyns> CS: maybe we need a section on what to do if you are trying to implement both IA2 and UIA.
19:32:48 <cyns> LW: UIA can be done without MSAA, where IA2 cannot.
19:35:04 <cyns> ACTION: Larry to write up description of how UIA express and IA2 will work together.
19:38:40 <cyns> CS:  Added an item to our todo list to figure out what recommendation we should make to user agents who want to both UIA and IA2
19:40:14 <jkiss> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Current_To-Do_List_and_Progress
19:42:22 <cyns> JK: should note in teh doc that UIA Express and IAEX are the same thing.
19:42:49 <cyns> JK: for states and properties, will rename MSAA to MSAA+UIA Express and we'll need to fill in column
19:50:47 <cyns> CS: Went through action items on wiki.  updates on wiki.  http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Current_To-Do_List_and_Progress
19:53:15 <cyns> Larry: Drag and Drop was implmeneted in IE, so maybe we can start with that for #43
19:54:13 <cyns> CS: next meeting in 3 weeks.  November 13.
19:56:38 <cyns> Type zakim, bye
19:56:38 <cyns> Type rrsagent, draft minutes
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19:57:15 <cyns> rrsagent, draft minutes
19:57:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/10/23-html-aapi-minutes.html cyns
19:57:26 <cyns> rrsagent, bye
19:57:26 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/10/23-html-aapi-actions.rdf :
19:57:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Larry to write up description of how UIA express and IA2 will work together. [1]
19:57:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/10/23-html-aapi-irc#T19-35-04