IRC log of mlw-lt on 2012-10-22
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- Zakim, this will be
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- I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
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- Meeting: MultilingualWeb-LT Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 22 October 2012
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- chair: daveL
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- scribe: dF
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- zakim, who's here ?
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- sorry, daveL, I don't know what conference this is
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- On IRC I see leroy, giuseppe, omstefanov, Zakim, RRSAgent, shaunm, Yves_, dF, daveL, trackbot
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- rollcall
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- zakim, who's here ?
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- sorry, daveL, I don't know what conference this is
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- On IRC I see DomJones, leroy, giuseppe, omstefanov, Zakim, RRSAgent, shaunm, Yves_, dF, daveL, trackbot
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- daveL: also Naoto, Jirka and Tadej
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- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Oct/0248.html
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- topic: 1) Work schedule update
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- Topic: schedule update
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- documentation pubcation: http://tinyurl.com/8bfujeo
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- next publication date was planned for tomorrow
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- we aim now to have it for TPAC Lyon
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- daveL: reviewing changes to draft for publication
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- changes mainly in provenance, we have now nice looking examples
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- daveL; makes a call for consenus
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- no objections
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- topic; 1.2) Test suite timeplan
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- daveL: the draft will be published tomorrow week
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Oct/0236.html
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- Topic: test suite time plan
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- In Prague, we started collecting individual commitments to test features on categories
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- daveL: we will need tests for its:param
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- .. as soon as tools reference is completed, we will need tests for that
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- .. need volunteers to review the testsuite
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- .. we need to have some tests completed by Dec 15
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- .. to see how it goes before Xmas
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- .. we have two levels of implmentations 1) for conformance
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- 2) use case scenarios for broader audience
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- omstefanov: what do we do with ruby, where there are no test commitments
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- dF: is there some confusion there - old cateroeis will not be dropped
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- daveL: the new ones will be dropped if not implemented
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- .. but not the old
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- .. but we still need to break it down for html, xml, local, and global
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- omstefanov: what will happen with provenance, disambiguation etc.
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- DomJones: we will have another go, before we drop any categories
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- .. we will review next week
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- Topic: 1.3) Update from XLIFF meeting and FEISGILTT
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- daveL: poeple might be holding back on issues that are not quite complete yet
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- Topic: XLIFF meeting and ITS in XLIFF
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- http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/XLIFF_Mapping
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- daveL: report from Redmond and FEISGILTT
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- .. generally good progress
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- .. posted link to the mapping in progress
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- .. XLIFF usage of ITS resembles local markup but has not quite the same inheritance etc.
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- .. the goal is to finalize by mid Dec
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- Yves_: no need to add anything, good report..
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- daveL: who else would like to help with the mapping?
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- Milan: I am interested
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- .. we discussed some with David (dF)
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- daveL: if you want to put your name against some
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- .. discussing the XLIFF mapping call timing for Friday
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- .. agreed 4pm Irish
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- Topic: 1.4) Lyon agenda
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- dF to follow up with XLIFF mapping call time
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- action: dF to follow up with XLIFF mapping call time
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- Created ACTION-252 - Follow up with XLIFF mapping call time [on David Filip - due 2012-10-29].
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Oct/0233.html
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- http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/LyonNov2012#Agenda
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- daveL: posting link to agenda propsoed by Felix
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- http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/LyonNov2012#Agenda
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- http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/LyonNov2012#Agenda
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- daveL: we need to put in some individual items
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- ..first data categories, later in the afternoon test suite
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- .. break out sessions for implmentations
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- .. is the time for breakouts enough
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- .. later an open session to discuss implementation plans brought back from break outs
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- dF: what is the timing for the HTML5 meeting(s)?
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- daveL: not sure, does not seem to be confirmed
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- daveL: adding into session 6 as a placeholder
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- action: daveL to confirm HTML5 session time(s) with Felix
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- Created ACTION-253 - Confirm HTML5 session time(s) with Felix [on David Lewis - due 2012-10-29].
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- http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/LyonNov2012#Participants
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- daveL: please update your participation on the agenda wiki page
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- 2) Data category overview table
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Oct/0055.html
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- topic: 2) Data category overview table
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- scribe: tadej
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Oct/att-0055/its-categories.html
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- daveL: sean provided the table, proposed to combine the inheritance behaviour for XML and HTML in one place
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- shaunm: considering also different columns for local vs. global attributes, but would make it unwieldy
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- daveL: something like this should be in the main body of the document, do you think it would work for that?
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- shaunm: all the information is already in the spec itself, so it's a repeat
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- daveL: alternatively, the names of the data categories and names of attributes could be made more generic and format agnostic, not necessaritly in camel case (which implies XML)
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- daveL: shaun, in some of the cells you had only dashes, what do they indicate?
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- shaunm: - is for 'doesn't exist'
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- shaunm: I skipped ruby, external rule doesn't have local at all
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- ... i'll send the global/local extended table to the list
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- daveL: let's change camel case simply using spaces - "locNote" to "loc note"
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- omstefanov: I can do the conversion editing.
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- omstefanov: entityType does not have dashes, but blank
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- tadej: it looks like an old version, this was renamed to entityClassRef recently - it should be in the draft
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- 3.1) Use of IRIs
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Oct/0222.html
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- daveL: we should be using IRIs instead of URLs.
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- topic; 3.2) on/off "active" attribute for quality issue
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- action: Jirka to edit usages URI to IRI
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- Created ACTION-254 - Edit usages URI to IRI [on Jirka Kosek - due 2012-10-29].
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Oct/0214.html
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- topic: 3.3) Too many pointers / global rules
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- action: Yves_ to determine and correct wording for ISSUE-34
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- Sorry, couldn't find Yves_. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/users>.
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- action: Yves to determine and correct wording for ISSUE-34
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- Created ACTION-255 - Determine and correct wording for ISSUE-34 [on Yves Savourel - due 2012-10-29].
- 15:49:29 [daveL]
- https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/51
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Oct/0042.html
- 15:50:01 [tadej]
- daveL: a general issue being around is that there are many pointers and global rules being used, there's a proposed solution
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- ... the solution is annotating a document in a way that a reference is static (not relative)
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- ... Yves_ suggested removing the non-*Pointer attributes and keeping the *Pointer attributes
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- Yves_: not sure what the outcome of the discussion was
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- daveL: let's skip this point for now
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- t
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- Topic: 3.4) Tool information
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- https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/42
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- daveL: there was a discussion on tool info, and people were volunteering for examples
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- Yves_: one conclusion was that URIs were sufficient to describe the tool, having additional info there
- 15:54:39 [tadej]
- daveL: having an IRI pointing to something that has a schema would be one solution
- 15:55:30 [tadej]
- Yves_: defining that schema got complicated, so we stopped the discussion there
- 15:56:19 [tadej]
- Yves_: therefore, Felix asked data category implementors for examples, how much info is necessary to expose
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- daveL: dF, do you have an example for mtConfidence at hand?
- 15:57:32 [tadej]
- dF: in the MT case, you need to know the platform and engine specifics, but engine specifics may be different across platforms
- 15:58:00 [tadej]
- dF: what about if the pointer doesn't need to lead anywhere? would a URN be enough?
- 15:58:49 [tadej]
- dF: for mtConfidence, the examples are already there, with the necessary attributes
- 15:59:45 [tadej]
- dF: however, these were not replaced by the its-tool in the spec
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- daveL: I propose to take Yves_'s definition, add examples from existing data categories and sent it around in a word file
- 16:00:48 [tadej]
- daveL: I can do that by friday
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- action: daveL to compile and circulate itsTool examples togehter with proposal text
- 16:01:17 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-256 - Compile and circulate itsTool examples togehter with proposal text [on David Lewis - due 2012-10-29].
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- RRSAgent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/10/22-mlw-lt-minutes.html tadej
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- daveL: do we need a call on monday, given that we are meeting soom?
- 16:03:13 [tadej]
- daveL: I propose cancelling next week's call
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- omstefanov: should I be spelling out full words: "localization note" instead of "loc note"
- 16:04:13 [tadej]
- daveL: good idea
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- RRSAgent, end meeting
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- I'm logging. I don't understand 'end meeting', tadej. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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- rrsagent, generate minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/10/22-mlw-lt-minutes.html daveL
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- rrsagent, make logs public
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