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13:53:38 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_(WCAG2ICT)10:00AM scheduled to start in 7 minutes
13:53:39 <trackbot> Meeting: WCAG2ICT Task Force Teleconference
13:53:39 <trackbot> Date: 12 October 2012
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13:57:51 <Andi> trackbot, start meeting
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13:57:56 <trackbot> Meeting: WCAG2ICT Task Force Teleconference
13:57:56 <trackbot> Date: 12 October 2012
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13:58:25 <Zakim> +??P1
13:58:35 <janina> zakim, ??P1 is Janina
13:58:35 <Zakim> +Janina; got it
13:59:55 <Zakim> +Andi_Snow_Weaver
14:00:25 <Zakim> +Judy
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14:01:39 <Andi> agenda+ Survey for October 12th Meeting https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/OCT112012/results
14:01:45 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
14:02:18 <Andi> agenda+ Action Items https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/OCT112012/results
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14:02:34 <Andi> zakim, [Microsoft] has Alex_Li
14:02:34 <Zakim> +Alex_Li; got it
14:02:46 <Andi> chair: Andi_Snow-Weaver
14:02:47 <Zakim> +Kiran_Kaja
14:02:51 <Zakim> +Gregg_Vanderheiden
14:03:01 <Andi> scribe: Mary_Jo_Mueller
14:03:06 <Andi> scribenick: MaryJo
14:03:41 <MaryJo> regrets: Pierce_Crowell, Peter_Korn
14:03:43 <Andi> zakimk, who is on the phone?
14:04:12 <MaryJo> zakim, next item
14:04:12 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Survey for October 12th Meeting https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/OCT112012/results" taken up [from Andi]
14:04:15 <Andi> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:04:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see Janina, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Judy, Mary_Jo_Mueller, [Microsoft], Kiran_Kaja, Gregg_Vanderheiden
14:04:15 <Zakim> [Microsoft] has Alex_Li
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14:06:03 <Zakim> +Bruce_Bailey
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14:06:57 <BBailey> zakim, this is Bruce_Bailey
14:06:57 <Zakim> sorry, BBailey, I do not see a conference named 'Bruce_Bailey' in progress or scheduled at this time
14:07:07 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald
14:07:09 <BBailey> zakim, I am Bruce_Bailey
14:07:09 <Zakim> ok, BBailey, I now associate you with Bruce_Bailey
14:07:23 <MaryJo> topic: Bypass blocks (2.4.1)
14:08:16 <MaryJo> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/OCT112012/results#xq1
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14:10:53 <Zakim> -Judy
14:11:23 <Zakim> +Judy
14:12:27 <Kiran> q+
14:13:17 <MaryJo> Discussion on example of a document that has repeated links after every section. These would need to have a way to skip over them.
14:13:46 <MaryJo> If this applies to a singular document, that that should be captured in the notes for this SC.
14:14:49 <Andi> ack kiran
14:16:57 <Andi> q+
14:17:58 <MaryJo> Discussion on the case where a large amount of information is copied (e.g. a long table) is repeated in multiple places in a document. Since this is a table, a screen reader user can bypass it - though not by an active mechanism.
14:19:23 <MaryJo> This is ok, because this SC only requires 'a means to bypass', not a 'navigation mechanism' which is only used in SC 3.2.3.
14:22:12 <MaryJo> s/is repeated in multiple places/and repeated in multiple places/
14:25:32 <MaryJo> How could this be applied to a single document when this SC is for 'multiple Web pages' and not for a single Web page?
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14:27:00 <Zakim> -Judy
14:27:32 <David> q+
14:27:42 <Andi> ack andi
14:28:36 <MaryJo> This should be changed to something like 'in a set of documents' rather than 'in non-embedded content'.
14:28:49 <Andi> ack david
14:31:02 <MaryJo> topic: 2.4.2 page titled
14:31:11 <MaryJo> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/OCT112012/results#xq2
14:33:18 <MaryJo> The WCAG working group discussed whether the name of the software application is sufficient for a title, and they agreed.
14:33:38 <Kiran> q+
14:33:46 <MaryJo> A specific note will have to be proposed to them to approve which will occur next week.
14:34:34 <Andi> ack kiran
14:35:42 <MaryJo> There is a proposed note can be found at http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Purpose_and_doc/app_names
14:35:55 <Andi> "As described in the WCAG intent (above), the name of a software application is a sufficient title."
14:36:25 <MaryJo> s/There is a proposed note can/The draft of the proposed note can/
14:36:50 <BBailey> me, Short and sweet!
14:37:14 <BBailey> s/me, Short and sweet!//
14:40:15 <Andi> https://sites.google.com/site/wcag2ict/home/2-operable/24-provide-ways-to-help-users-navigate-find-content-and-determine-where-they-are/242-page-titled
14:41:16 <MaryJo> RESOLUTION: Accept 2.4.2 in proposal #11 as amended in the meeting.
14:41:52 <Judy> zakim, who's on the phone?
14:41:52 <Zakim> On the phone I see Janina, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Mary_Jo_Mueller, [Microsoft], Kiran_Kaja, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Bruce_Bailey, David_MacDonald, Judy.a
14:41:54 <Zakim> [Microsoft] has Alex_Li
14:43:54 <MaryJo> topic: Definition of "navigation mechanism"
14:43:56 <MaryJo> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/OCT112012/results#xq3
14:47:42 <MaryJo> Discussion about the survey comments and went over additional notes proposed in Gregg's survey answer.
14:48:11 <Kiran> q+
14:48:46 <Zakim> -Judy.a
14:49:07 <Zakim> +Judy
14:53:27 <David> q+
14:56:26 <MaryJo> Discussed that you can't rely on headings to be used for navigation. That is because the navigation handled by the user agent, and headings aren't interactive elements.
14:56:28 <Andi> ack david
14:59:36 <MaryJo> Discussed the intent of the SC that uses this term (and whether it is really strictly to be applied to multiple Web pages, or if it applies within a single web page as well.  This is important when you try to apply to documents to know if it means 'set of documents' or a single document.
15:00:24 <Andi> "Small repeated sections such as individual words, phrases or single links are not considered navigation mechanisms for the purposes of this provision."
15:01:20 <greggvanderheiden> "Small repeated sections such as individual words, phrases or links occurring in running text are not considered navigation mechanisms for the purposes of this provision."
15:01:33 <Andi> "Small repeated navigation mechanisms such as phrases or links embedded in paragraph text are not considered navigation mechanisms for the purposes of this provision."
15:04:07 <Andi> I think what WCAG really intended was "When navigation mechanisms are repeated on multiple Web pages within a set of Web pages, [THE ELEMENTS OF THE NAVIGATION MECHANISM] occur in the same relative order each time they are repeated, unless a change is initiated by the user."
15:06:01 <BBailey> zakim, mute me
15:06:01 <Zakim> Bruce_Bailey should now be muted
15:07:07 <BBailey> zakim, unmute me
15:07:07 <Zakim> Bruce_Bailey should no longer be muted
15:12:59 <MaryJo> Discussion on the wording of 'focus of reading and/or action' and change it to be more clear, 'reading focus and/or action focus'.
15:14:13 <MaryJo> Keyboard shortcuts are not covered by this SC because this covers the order in which navigation mechanisms are presented to the user.
15:19:19 <MaryJo> Discussed software example of the file explorer where user actions in the left-hand pane doesn't always cause a change of focus. 
15:20:16 <MaryJo> What constitutes a navigational mechanism? One way of using file explorer is a navigational mechanism and another is not, depending on whether the actions cause a change in focus.
15:21:03 <MaryJo> When a change in focus does occur, the SC 3.2.3 would apply.
15:23:08 <Andi> q+
15:24:54 <MaryJo> The left hand pane of file explorer, when you activate certain things you don't change focus but the content in the right pane changes - a browse mode.
15:26:33 <MaryJo> If you're in the right pane and you activate items in that pane, focus will change. By this definition, this is a navigational mechanism.
15:28:04 <Andi> ack andi
15:30:28 <Judy> q+
15:30:30 <MaryJo> We'll have to discuss this more next time.
15:30:49 <Judy> q+ to comment on schedule
15:31:00 <Judy> q+ to comment on schedule with regard to next Tuesday's meeting
15:31:25 <Andi> ack judy
15:31:25 <Zakim> Judy, you wanted to comment on schedule and to comment on schedule with regard to next Tuesday's meeting
15:32:17 <MaryJo> topic: Next Tuesday's meeting
15:32:19 <MaryJo> The amount of technical issues we can close on Tues is important for next Thursday's meeting. We might want to plan a longer Tuesday call.
15:32:34 <MaryJo> We need to try to close out as much as possible.
15:33:31 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
15:33:32 <Zakim> -Bruce_Bailey
15:33:33 <Zakim> -Gregg_Vanderheiden
15:33:34 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald
15:33:34 <Zakim> -Andi_Snow_Weaver
15:33:35 <Zakim> -Judy
15:33:36 <Zakim> -Mary_Jo_Mueller
15:33:39 <Zakim> -Kiran_Kaja
15:33:41 <Zakim> -Janina
15:33:42 <Zakim> WAI_(WCAG2ICT)10:00AM has ended
15:33:42 <Zakim> Attendees were Janina, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Judy, Mary_Jo_Mueller, Alex_Li, Kiran_Kaja, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Bruce_Bailey, David_MacDonald
15:38:24 <MaryJo> rrsagent, make minutes
15:38:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/10/12-wcag2ict-minutes.html MaryJo
15:48:44 <MaryJo> s/on Tues is important for next Thursday's/on Tuesday is important for next Thursday's WCAG working group/
15:50:53 <MaryJo> Tuesday's call will be extended to 2 hours.
15:51:04 <MaryJo> rrsagent, make minutes
15:51:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/10/12-wcag2ict-minutes.html MaryJo
15:51:51 <MaryJo> zakim, bye
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