08:08:00 RRSAgent has joined #tagmem 08:08:00 logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/10/09-tagmem-irc 08:08:04 Zakim has joined #tagmem 08:08:10 trackbot, start telcon 08:08:13 RRSAgent, make logs public 08:08:15 Zakim, this will be TAG 08:08:15 ok, trackbot; I see TAG_f2f()3:00AM scheduled to start 68 minutes ago 08:08:15 Scribe: Yves 08:08:16 Meeting: Technical Architecture Group Teleconference 08:08:16 Date: 09 October 2012 08:08:20 Topic: approval of minutes 08:08:27 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/09/20-minutes 08:08:36 RESOLUTION: minutes of 20 approved 08:08:37 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/09/27-minutes 08:08:39 RESOLUTION: minutes of 27 approved 08:09:03 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/index-2012-09-26.html 08:09:29 Topic: TAG priorities 08:09:31 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/index-2012-09-26.html 08:13:06 Noah: for Fragment identifier document, do we need CR? 08:13:44 Yves: yes CR is mandatory as you must prove interoperability (technically, CR can be skipped if there is evidence) 08:14:13 Larry: the specification contains lots of recommendations for media type registration for example 08:14:52 Larry: happy to change the REC date to be the CR date (then wait for "implementation" evidence) 08:15:34 Ashok: we need to spell out the exit criteria 08:19:26 Larry: as it can be implemented, we should go through CR 08:21:45 Yves: we can already have implementation, so we need first to outline the exit criteria 08:23:38 Noah: we need to have an action to create exit criteria 08:26:16 ACTION: Jeni to with Larry work out what the exit criteria from CR for fragids best practices should be 08:26:16 Created ACTION-754 - With Larry work out what the exit criteria from CR for fragids best practices should be [on Jeni Tennison - due 2012-10-16]. 08:26:23 Larry: we need to put attention to steps that engage the community, so it makes sense to push our schedule to accomodate communicating with the community 08:27:15 Publishing and Linking 08:27:40 Noah: someone working on starting a community group? 08:27:52 Larry: wondering if it is the right step 08:28:49 Ashok: what are the exit criteria here? 08:29:04 Yves: is REC the right track? shouldn't it be a TAG finding? 08:30:12 q+ 08:30:50 Larry: when we put the schedule together, we had best practise in the document. We moved incrementally best practises out of the document 08:31:54 Noah: we promised a REC, we may have now more insight and decide that it was not the right format 08:32:42 Larry: we will do another editorial pass on the document. Thinking of the exit criteria after the next iteration is a good idea 08:34:24 . ACTION: Larry, with help from Ashok (and TAG), 1) decide exit criteria on Publishing & Linking 2) Rec track vs. Finding 3) Update product page to match 08:35:09 ACTION: Larry, with help from Ashok (and TAG), 1) decide exit criteria on Publishing & Linking 2) Rec track vs. Finding 3) Update product page to match - Due 2012-10-16 08:35:09 Sorry, couldn't find Larry,. You can review and register nicknames at . 08:35:25 ACTION: Larry with help from Ashok (and TAG), 1) decide exit criteria on Publishing & Linking 2) Rec track vs. Finding 3) Update product page to match - Due 2012-10-16 08:35:25 Created ACTION-755 - with help from Ashok (and TAG), 1) decide exit criteria on Publishing & Linking 2) Rec track vs. Finding 3) Update product page to match [on Larry Masinter - due 2012-10-16]. 08:36:00 Ashok has joined #tagmem 08:36:01 URI Documentation Discovery 08:36:13 product page should be updated before TPAC 08:37:32 Noah: there are also lower priority items that might (or not) become higher priority topic 08:38:29 Ashok: Web application storage should be transformed into offline applications, we will then decide what to do with it 08:38:35 Stuart has joined #tagmem 08:39:36 JeniT: we might look at distributed web applications, with data exchanged between different services (at different locations) 08:40:45 about registered protocol handlers, web intents, and accessing your own data from an online service 08:41:07 (can be tied to open data) 08:41:23 Ashok: will it involve synchronization? 08:41:40 local data to global data 08:42:54 Tim: it's an independant problem 08:47:19 Noah: is the TAG interested in this topic, and should Jeni work on a more detailed proposal? 08:47:29 ... yes 08:48:45 Tim: another interesting thing is to look at a specific technology or topic and find out what are the missing pieces 08:51:19 Larry: how do we update the architecture document to match what people needs 08:53:45 ACTION: Jeni to draft rough product page / briefing pape for "distributed web applications" 08:53:45 Created ACTION-756 - Draft rough product page / briefing pape for "distributed web applications" [on Jeni Tennison - due 2012-10-16]. 08:54:09 Noah: it is good information to have a timeline and the kind of document we want to produce 08:55:26 Jeni: do we need to change the arch doc wrt issue-57? 08:56:26 Noah: the goal by itself is not updating webarch 08:56:57 perhaps we need to add, before we close an item, to review webarch & web presence 08:57:40 q+ 08:59:08 Larry: before we close an item, we should add another step: go back and update webarch if needed 08:59:34 keep this an alive document 09:01:17 q- 09:01:25 Noah: the goal of a topic is not to publish a document but to help the community, we failed to get input from the community one year after to see if it helped or not 09:02:23 ht: I agree with Tim, AWWW is an historical document. 09:02:33 NM: Maybe I should come up with a plan for going over our recently closed work to check on whether success criteria are being met 09:03:04 ht: the world moved on, with new complexities 09:03:06 ACTION: Noah to think about how to evaluate results vs. success criteria on closed work - Due 2013-01-01 09:03:06 Created ACTION-757 - think about how to evaluate results vs. success criteria on closed work [on Noah Mendelsohn - due 2013-01-01]. 09:03:24 q+ to add 'persistence' and 'security infrastructure & architecture' as potential projects 09:03:47 ack mext 09:03:50 ack next 09:03:52 masinter, you wanted to add 'persistence' and 'security infrastructure & architecture' as potential projects 09:04:20 Larry: persistence of identifier is too narrow, persistence of document is important 09:06:37 LM: Not sure I have time to lead this 09:07:38 Larry: we need also work on security 09:07:46 Ashok: who should work on that? 09:08:44 Noah: who wants to works with the security community to figure out where the TAG could be helpful? 09:11:52 /me Larry: Getting more security/network protocol/IETF experience on the TAG would also be helpful. Know any other candidates? / reply: Not really but I will keep my eyes open. I'm still sort of learning which direction is up at W3C. 09:11:52 09:13:12 ACTION: Ashok, working with experts in security community, to suggest projects TAG might undertake relating to security - Due: 2012-11-20 09:13:12 Sorry, couldn't find Ashok,. You can review and register nicknames at . 09:13:16 /me Larry: Getting more security/network protocol/IETF experience on the TAG would also be helpful. Know any other candidates? reply: Not really but I will keep my eyes open. I'm still sort of learning which direction is up at W3C. 09:13:16 09:13:19 ACTION: Ashok working with experts in security community, to suggest projects TAG might undertake relating to security - Due: 2012-11-20 09:13:19 Created ACTION-758 - Working with experts in security community, to suggest projects TAG might undertake relating to security - Due: 2012-11-20 [on Ashok Malhotra - due 2012-10-16]. 09:21:38 Noah: we should go through our issue list and check if there are issues we could make progress as work items