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16:01:54 <jamesn> zakim, this is WAI_WCAG
16:01:54 <Zakim> sorry, jamesn, I do not see a conference named 'WAI_WCAG' in progress or scheduled at this time
16:02:06 <jamesn> zakim, this is WAI_HTML
16:02:06 <Zakim> ok, jamesn; that matches WAI_HTML TT()11:30AM
16:02:20 <jamesn> zakim, who is on the call?
16:02:20 <Zakim> On the phone I see James_Nurthen, [IPcaller], Marc_Johlic
16:02:34 <jamesn> rrsagent, make log world
16:02:45 <jamesn> zakim, IPcaller is Loretta
16:02:45 <Zakim> +Loretta; got it
16:03:25 <jamesn> chair: James_Nurthen
16:05:32 <Zakim> -Loretta
16:11:05 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:11:18 <marcjohlic> test
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16:13:00 <Loretta> Ugh - just lost networking on my laptop, which is where skype is installed...
16:14:00 <Loretta> I'm working on it...
16:14:46 <Loretta> yes, please don't wait!
16:15:23 <jamesn> TOPIC: Techniques and mapping to guidelines
16:16:38 <jamesn> adam: no precise rule of thumb. The range technique seemed too all encompassing, but do agree that if have one attribute then one techqnique could cover a number of success criteria
16:17:05 <Zakim> +??P4
16:17:26 <jamesn> adam: the headers technqiue which have discussed often in WCAG. When we do have a consensus that there is one implementation. With headers there is a difference between the implementation.
16:17:28 <Loretta> zakim, P4 is Loretta
16:17:28 <Zakim> sorry, Loretta, I do not recognize a party named 'P4'
16:17:41 <jamesn> JN: I am the opposite
16:19:03 <adam> im gone for 4-5 minutes, sorry
16:19:30 <jamesn> marc: there are different situations to use it, but the technqiue is always the same, so maybe one simplified technique to apply to different success criteria. 
16:19:41 <jamesn> marc: purpose is to describe whatever that element is
16:19:56 <jamesn> loretta: somewhat case by case
16:20:24 <jamesn> marc: if look at the label one in particualt
16:20:54 <jamesn> james: one major difference i am aware of is in support of label when labelling different things
16:21:03 <adam> back
16:21:04 <Zakim> -??P4
16:21:20 <jamesn> james: as far as I know some AT will or wont support using  aria-label on certain elementsw
16:21:27 <Loretta> why is skype being so flaky!
16:23:10 <jamesn> james: concerned about muddying the waters by including too much in a single techqnique where there may be things like best practices, AT support etc that differ when using for different elements
16:23:22 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
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16:25:24 <Zakim> +??P5
16:25:31 <Joshue108> zakim, ??P5 is Joshue
16:25:31 <Zakim> +Joshue; got it
16:25:33 <jamesn> marc: if something has poor support but it is the intended purpose should we created techniques
16:25:50 <Joshue108> zakim, mute me
16:25:50 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
16:26:26 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
16:26:34 <jamesn> loretta: replacing the link text sounds confusing for a link
16:26:47 <Loretta>  ,...and I have conducted some screenreader tests on the aria-labelledby for link purpose technique: http://www.3needs.org/en/testing/code/aria-labelledby-for-link-purpose.html  Not sure whether that is worth discussing - it seems that aria-labelledby is poorly supported on non-form elements, as James (I believe) already noted in his comments.
16:26:48 <jamesn> james: doesn't it depend on what you are replacing it with
16:27:18 <jamesn> james: labelledby makes that easier as you can point to itelf and something elsde
16:28:25 <jamesn> marc: almost impossible to fail 2.4.4. This would allow the "more" link to refer to a header
16:28:43 <jamesn> loretta: the information would be different for sighted and non-sighted users
16:29:00 <jamesn> loretta: this is why links feel different from other things
16:29:09 <jamesn> loretta: a link should be some kind of text
16:29:28 <jamesn> loretta: this is why i'm having this reaction to folding link in with other objects
16:30:33 <Joshue108> zakim, unmute me
16:30:33 <Zakim> Joshue should no longer be muted
16:30:51 <jamesn> loretta: If we create link techniques should we add this
16:31:46 <jamesn> joshue: image without an alt not a complete structure. Need to talk about some things sooner or later.
16:33:24 <Zakim> +??P1
16:33:38 <jamesn> zakim, who is on the call?
16:33:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see James_Nurthen, Marc_Johlic, [IPcaller.a], Joshue, ??P1
16:33:39 <adam> zakim, P1 is adam_solomon
16:33:40 <Zakim> sorry, adam, I do not recognize a party named 'P1'
16:33:51 <adam> zakim, ??P1 is adam_solomon
16:33:51 <Zakim> +adam_solomon; got it
16:33:53 <jamesn> zakim, IPcaller is Loretta
16:33:53 <Zakim> sorry, jamesn, I do not recognize a party named 'IPcaller'
16:33:58 <jamesn> zakim, IPcaller.a is Loretta
16:33:58 <Zakim> +Loretta; got it
16:35:01 <jamesn> marc: why i go back to the readmore scenario
16:40:41 <jamesn> loretta: could image we do one for links which includes the original link text
16:41:19 <jamesn> loretta: if the technqique is just to include aria-label then only need one technique
16:41:25 <Loretta> brb
16:42:32 <Loretta> back
16:47:13 <jamesn> TOPIC: aria-activedescendant
16:58:14 <Zakim> -Joshue
16:58:17 <Zakim> -James_Nurthen
16:58:18 <Zakim> -Loretta
16:58:19 <Zakim> -Marc_Johlic
16:58:26 <Zakim> -adam_solomon
16:58:28 <Zakim> WAI_HTML TT()11:30AM has ended
16:58:28 <Zakim> Attendees were James_Nurthen, Marc_Johlic, Loretta, [IPcaller], Joshue, adam_solomon
18:42:43 <jamesn> rrsagent, make minutes
18:42:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/10/08-html-techs-tf-minutes.html jamesn
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