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16:01:53 <jamesn> zakim, this is WAI_HTML
16:01:53 <Zakim> ok, jamesn; that matches WAI_HTML TT()11:30AM
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16:03:39 <jamesn> zakim, ??P8 is Loretta
16:03:39 <Zakim> +Loretta; got it
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16:05:05 <jamesn> regrets+ Detlev, Adam
16:07:21 <jamesn> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Techniques/ARIA
16:07:23 <marcjohlic> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Techniques/ARIA
16:07:33 <marcjohlic> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_WAI-ARIA_range_attributes_for_range_widgets_such_as_progressbar,_scrollbar,_slider,_and_spinbutton
16:08:09 <marcjohlic> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Technique_Template
16:09:20 <jamesn> scribe: jamesn
16:09:41 <jamesn> TOPIC: review 3.3.1 ARIA technique - http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_WAI-ARIA_range_attributes_for_range_widgets_such_as_progressbar,_scrollbar,_slider,_and_spinbutton
16:10:23 <jamesn> MJ: Guidance says to go ahead and review the general techniques and feel free to reuse the wording to avoid confusing the reader
16:10:48 <jamesn> MJ: technqiue for link purpose - was going to pull from general technique on link purpose.
16:10:58 <jamesn> MJ: is that how others approach it?
16:11:12 <jamesn> LGR: Helpful but not a requirement
16:11:31 <jamesn> LGR: Have done enough now know the general shape
16:11:47 <jamesn> MJ: It is acceptable to borrow from another technique? 
16:11:55 <jamesn> LGR: if the language is appropriate yes
16:12:20 <jamesn> JG: Are the tests at the level the author does in markup or are they at the AT level
16:12:48 <jamesn> LGR: I believe the tests should be independent of the AT but we need to know what AT is doing with it to know what the level of support is
16:13:17 <jamesn> JG: talking about ARIA - the ARIA group is concerned about what the browser does, not what AT actually does with it
16:14:58 <jamesn> LGR: purpose of the test is to help someone understand if they have implemented the technique
16:15:25 <jamesn> LGR: we know from WCAG that even if a technique should work there may not be AT support
16:15:41 <jamesn> LGR: The trouble is - if you add AT in, what it does is a moving target
16:15:58 <jamesn> LGR: now you don't have a universal technique
16:16:08 <jamesn> LGR: The missing part if the AT support DB
16:16:15 <jamesn> s/if/is/
16:16:40 <jamesn> LGR: we make things more complicated if we mix the AT support question into what is a technique
16:17:39 <jamesn> JN: other problem wqith using AT as a testing technique is AT does error checking
16:18:38 <jamesn> LGR: for discussion if a technique is sufficient then need demonstration that AT actually supports it
16:19:11 <jamesn> JG: should there be a rule that need to test on certain combo of UA and AT?
16:19:42 <jamesn> LGR: we like to have live examples so we can check if things work
16:20:39 <jamesn> LGR: if you are working on techniques and have "support" info then include it in the UA notes
16:24:08 <jamesn> JG: tests for a slider... when focus goes to it, then make sure identified as a slider. then when keystrokes are pressed make sure output is correct
16:24:23 <jamesn> LGR: not the kind of test we put in the technque
16:26:36 <jamesn> LGR: keyboard access not addressed here
16:29:52 <jamesn> JG: applicability section is not filled in
16:30:06 <jamesn> LGR: that is from the template - not done yet
16:30:50 <jamesn> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_the_role_attribute_to_expose_the_role_of_a_user_interface_component
16:41:05 <Zakim> -Loretta
16:42:13 <Loretta> Oops - skype just cut me off!
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16:45:45 <Zakim> -Marc_Johlic
16:45:47 <Zakim> -James_Nurthen
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16:45:48 <Zakim> Attendees were James_Nurthen, Loretta, Marc_Johlic, jongund, [IPcaller]
16:45:49 <jamesn> rrsagent, make minutes
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16:50:57 <jamesn> chair: James_Nurthen
16:51:10 <jamesn> rrsagent, make minutes
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16:52:34 <jamesn> meeting: HTML / ARIA techniques task force
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