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15:05:21 <ericP> Zakim, this is hcls
15:05:26 <Zakim> ok, ericP; that matches SW_HCLS(BioRDF)11:00AM
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15:05:41 <ericP> Zakim, please dial ericP-office
15:05:41 <Zakim> ok, ericP; the call is being made
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15:06:14 <egonw> moin
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15:12:46 <mscottm> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22449719
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15:13:32 <ericP> test
15:13:38 <egonw> pong
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15:15:27 <mikel_egana> that's mikel
15:15:42 <ericP> Zakim, aaff is mikel_egana 
15:15:42 <Zakim> +mikel_egana; got it
15:15:47 <mscottm> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22449719
15:26:30 <mscottm> Processors could, for example, offer a virtual SPARQL endpoint over the
15:26:30 <mscottm> mapped relational data, or generate RDF dumps, or offer a Linked Data
15:26:30 <mscottm> interface.' Michael and Simon pointed out that the use of the word interface can be confusing here.
15:29:55 <mscottm> Scott: Integrated the Translating Standards article (pubmed URI above) into an answer to Question 6: Does all data need to be mapped to the same ontologies in order to achieve interoperability?
15:30:22 <mscottm> ..can read a draft of that in the html attachment.
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15:31:50 <mscottm> ..can read a draft of that in the html attachment sent with the announcement today.
15:32:32 <mscottm> <Simon asks about the mapping using SWObjects, Scott, then Eric P. answer>
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15:36:27 <michel> greetings
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15:37:49 <mscottm> Eric: The value of linked data to a SPARQL user is that it provides a good mechanism for people to reuse identifiers when they should. 
15:39:43 <mscottm> ..Linked data can provide information about a URI term by just pasting it into their browser.
15:40:27 <egonw> agreed...
15:40:31 <mscottm> ..Linked data means I can do a GET on any of the URLs in it.
15:40:33 <egonw> dereferencable versus sparql
15:42:51 <egonw> right, and the GET returns at least RDF (in some form) but could also return HTML (e.g. depending on content negotiation)
15:43:43 <mscottm> I think that LD people will insist on the LD returning RDF (that is possibly rendered for humans).
15:45:12 <Zakim> - +1.715.389.aacc
15:48:13 <mscottm> Eric explains what is meant by the term "Linked Data" - doesn't necessarily mean "connected data", but refers to the http behavior of links (see description of GET above). 
15:50:24 <mscottm> Zakim, who is making noise?
15:50:35 <Zakim> mscottm, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: mikel_egana (84%), EricP (90%)
15:50:51 <mscottm> mikel - seems like we can hear you typing.
15:51:00 <mscottm> mikel - seems like we can hear you typing - please mute.
15:51:00 <egonw> ummm... likes rather than needs...
15:51:25 <mikel_egana> sorry :-(
15:51:38 <mscottm> no prob, can't hear it anymore :)
15:52:55 <michel> i think you're both right.
15:53:10 <michel> linked data is both providing data on the web, and creating links between previously unlinked data
15:55:25 <egonw> re Q11: there the thing was in the paper, AFAIK, about whether you could 'spider' it?
15:55:27 <egonw> re Q11: there the thing was in the paper, AFAIK, about whether you could 'spider' it
15:55:38 <egonw> SPARQL end points cannot be spidered
15:55:53 <egonw> because resources cannot be pointed to in a SPARLQ end point
15:56:02 <egonw> breaking the web of LOD
15:56:33 <mscottm> Thanks Egon. Bingo. Yes, we did.
15:56:37 <michel> egon, you can easily setup an web interface over a SPARQL endpoint
15:56:51 <michel> and it can then be spidered
15:57:32 <mscottm> I think that those are two different types of spidering (or crawling). One uses GET, the other uses SPARQL queries, non?
15:58:47 <egonw> michel: indeed, but that would not be a SPARQL end point anymore
15:58:56 <egonw> but a linked data layer *in addition* to...
16:02:19 <mscottm> SPARQL Select results are tabular and could result from querying linked data or a SPARQL endpoint without Linked Data (TM).
16:02:37 <ericP> SPARQL SELECT returns the results of searching over an RDF graph which ideally complies with the Linked Data Principles
16:03:17 <ericP> http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/LinkedData.html
16:03:26 <egonw> btw, SPARQL can also host RDF which is 100% incompatible with linked data. E.g. this triple: http://localhost:8091/foo/bar owl:sameAs http://localhost:8099/foo/cafe
16:04:41 <egonw> :)
16:05:05 <mscottm> Scott (at beginning of call): noticed that our correction to have the CKAN - The Data Hub reference point to http://thedatahub.org were lost somewhere..
16:06:57 <egonw> yes (I think it will be hard for our audience anyway... that's at least my observation in Open PHACTS)
16:12:18 <egonw> thanx all
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16:12:19 <mikel_egana> thx
16:12:21 <egonw> yes
16:12:21 <mikel_egana> bye
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16:12:38 <mscottm> bye
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16:20:21 <egonw> last time for me was at SARA/CWI in 2009 ?
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16:35:49 <mscottm> ACTION: Eric to add a bit to intro defining Linked Data vs. SPARQL
16:35:53 <mscottm> ACTION: Michael to add a piece to Q6 mentioning the situation where RDF data have some unplanned overlap (example given was disease and drug).
16:36:35 <mscottm> ACTION: Scott will keep adding straws to his strawman extension to Q6 (incorporating the mapping approach described in "Translating..").
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16:38:26 <mscottm> RRSAgent, please generate minutes
16:38:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/10/01-hcls-minutes.html mscottm
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