From elw25 at cornell.edu Wed Dec 1 09:39:21 2004 From: elw25 at cornell.edu (Elaine L. Westbrooks) Date: Sat Jun 2 13:28:18 2007 Subject: [Odrl-geospatial] Relationship between GeoDRM & ODRL In-Reply-To: <200411020103.iA213MAH018864@filter02.mail.cornell.edu> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20041130170221.0bafeec0@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> Hello All: I must apologize for the tardiness of this response. As moderator you would no believe how much span I receive from this list! Somehow, Steve's message was sitting in my trash. Renato followed up but I didn't realize that Steve had posted a message. At any rate, let me attempt to address your questions listed below: Steve Morris' first question: what is (or will be) the relationship between the ODRL geospatial profile and GeoDRM? GeoDRM apears to be focused not just on services but also on data files (GML, etc.), but would appear--at least initially--to be focused more on OGC-spec based data. Could anyone clarify the relationship? At this point there is not much of a relationship. Like you, I have done some Online snooping around, but ironically, the OGC is not very "open." I have attempted to touch base with the co-chairs of the GeoDRM working Group and I have not received a response. I will be attending the USGS Policy meeting in Washington DC next week and I am looking forward to speaking with Joe Cardinale (co-chair of OGC Geo DRM WG) and Tim Case (GeoData Alliance) who also will be in attendance. Fortunately, ODRL has been mentioned in their literature, so they are aware of ODRL and ODRL is certainly aware of them. I'll be sure to write up a report of this meeting and share it with everyone. I do agree with Steve's assessment of geoDRM, I'm not so sure how well their work will apply to the kind of objects that we are dealing with in an educational setting. Another question: Anyone using the METS Rights Expression schema as a short term approach to handling DRM with geospatial content? I don't know of anyone who is doing this. Although Mann Library at Cornell is committed to implementing METS for our geospatial repository, we have not decided what RE schema we plan to use. If this working group can get a profile started with ODRL, I would like to use it. I understand that the METS Rights Expression schema is pretty basic and I don't think that it will meet our needs, but I'm not sure-- so don't quote me. I hope this helps! Best, Elaine At 08:03 PM 11/1/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Send Odrl-geospatial mailing list submissions to > odrl-geospatial@odrl.net > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.odrl.net/mailman/listinfo/odrl-geospatial >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > odrl-geospatial-request@odrl.net > >You can reach the person managing the list at > odrl-geospatial-owner@odrl.net > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Odrl-geospatial digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Welcome to the Odrl-geospatial@odrl.net mailing list! > (Steve Morris) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 12:22:26 -0500 >From: Steve Morris >Subject: Re: [Odrl-geospatial] Welcome to the > Odrl-geospatial@odrl.net mailing list! >To: ODRL Geospatial Profile Working Group >Message-ID: <418670D2.3030106@ncsu.edu> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >Hello all, > >Per Elaine's suggestion here's my brief introduction bit: > >I've been working with North Carolina State University Libraries' GIS >data services program since 1997. I headed up that operation until 2002 >and since then have been Head of Digital Library Initiatives, working >with a broader sphere of digital repository, digital preservation, and >other issues. We are entering into a new three-year project focused on >digital preservation of geospatial data, mostly state and local data >resources. One of the things we'll be trying to do there is encoding >DRM statements (along with other descriptive/technical/administrative >metadata) into METS records. > >My first question: what is (or will be) the relationship between the >ODRL geospatial profile and GeoDRM? GeoDRM apears to be focused not >just on services but also on data files (GML, etc.), but would >appear--at least initially--to be focused more on OGC-spec based data. > >Could anyone clarify the relationship? > >Another question: Anyone using the METS Rights Expression schema as a >short term approach to handling DRM with geospatial content? > >Thanks, > >Steve > >Elaine L. Westbrooks wrote: > > > Good Afternoon: > > > > Welcome to the Odrl-geospatial@odrl.net mailing list! > > > > Many of you signed up for this list in early August, so I'm sorry > > about the delay. The Geospatial Group of the Open Digital Rights > > Language Initiative is finally coming to life! The delay in setting > > this up can also be attributed to the lack of subscribers from > > institutions outside of the US. I've been trying to identify people > > who may be interested. I know that there are lots of interesting > > things going on in Europe, Asia, Australia (to name a few regions) in > > the area of geospatial data management. > > > > The web page for the mailing list is: > > http://www.odrl.net/Profiles/Geospatial/ > > List archives can be found at: > > http://lists.odrl.net/pipermail/odrl-geospatial/ > > > > Although as a working group, we have been formally charged with the > > responsibility of creating a ODRL profile for geospatial data and > > drafting best practicess, this list is primarily designed to be a > > common meeting ground to discuss rights issues for those of us working > > with geospatial information. Susanne Guth will be are liason > > and we can certainly touch base with Renato > > Iannella, the driving force behind ODRL. > > > > I don't expect the volume to be high on this list. Out of courtesy to > > others, when possible, do not send attachments in your messages (mount > > your files to a public webserver instead). If someone would like to > > help me manage and moderate, I'd welcome it. > > > > I have permission to post an article written by Daniel Wright, > > entitled "Geospatial Digital Rights Management" The article may be > > downloaded at: http://metadata.mannlib.cornell.edu/geo_odrl/ > > > > I invite everyone to send a brief message to the list as an > > introduction. I'll start it off: > > > > I have been a metadata librarian at Albert Mann Library at Cornell > > University since 2000 where I serve as the metadata specialist for the > > Cornell University Geospatial Information Repository (CUGIR) > > . I also do a lot of work with the > > various digital library projects that incorporate METS, Dublin Core, > > TEI, DSpace, and OAI. Because of my interest in bridging the 2 worlds > > of GIS and Digital Libraries, I became quite interested in rights > > expression and management. > > > > I will out of the office from now until October 25, but I do plan to > > check my email during that time. > > > > I hope to hear from many of you soon! > > > > Kind Regards, > > Elaine > > > > Elaine L. Westbrooks > > Metadata Librarian > > Albert R. Mann Library > > Cornell University > > Ithaca, NY 14851 > > > > 607.255.3973 > > mailto:elw25@cornell.edu > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Odrl-geospatial mailing list > >Odrl-geospatial@odrl.net > >http://lists.odrl.net/mailman/listinfo/odrl-geospatial > > > > > >-- >Steve Morris >Head of Digital Library Initiatives >North Carolina State University Libraries >Phone: (919) 515-1361 Fax: (919) 513-3553 >Steven_Morris@ncsu.edu > > > >------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Odrl-geospatial mailing list >Odrl-geospatial@odrl.net >http://lists.odrl.net/mailman/listinfo/odrl-geospatial > > >End of Odrl-geospatial Digest, Vol 2, Issue 2 >********************************************* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.odrl.net/pipermail/odrl-geospatial/attachments/20041130/1311e459/attachment.html From renato at odrl.net Wed Dec 1 13:53:43 2004 From: renato at odrl.net (Renato Iannella) Date: Sat Jun 2 13:28:18 2007 Subject: [Odrl-geospatial] Relationship between GeoDRM & ODRL [resent] Message-ID: <3648AF1C-4344-11D9-90E7-00306541C018@odrl.net> From: spmorris@ncsu.edu Date: 1 December 2004 12:48:18 GMT+10:00 To: "ODRL Geospatial Profile Working Group" Subject: Re: [Odrl-geospatial] Relationship between GeoDRM & ODRL Elaine, > I will be attending the USGS Policy > meeting in Washington DC next week and I am looking forward to speaking > with Joe Cardinale (co-chair of OGC Geo DRM WG) and Tim Case (GeoData > Alliance) who also will be in attendance. ... > I'll be sure to write up a report of this meeting and share it with > everyone. That would be great. I tried to join the GeoDRM listserv some time back and got bounced (no OGC membership). We've been trying to join the OGC for some time now to engage on this and other issues of interest but that hasn't panned out yet. > > I do agree with Steve's assessment of geoDRM, I'm not so sure how well > their work will apply to the kind of objects that we are dealing with > in > an educational setting. Yeah, I'd like to get a better sense of the use cases GeoDRM will cover. Will it cover client interaction with a WMS or WFS or WCS or geocoding service? -- most likely Will it cover download of a GML file from a server? -- possibly Will it cover download of a shapefile from an FTP server? -- not so sure about that For this preservation project we are working on we are also dealing with the issue of getting preservation use cases into these discussions. If these use cases don't get into the domain DRM standards then we may be stuck with using the relevant domain DRM for 'use' elements in combination with some other possible generic 'preservation' DRM elements. > I don't know of anyone who is doing this. Although Mann Library at > Cornell > is committed to implementing METS for our geospatial repository, we > have > not decided what RE schema we plan to use. If this working group can > get > a profile started with ODRL, I would like to use it. Since we need a short term solution I think where we might be at is trying to shoehorn some things into METS DRM, documenting all the ways that doesn't work, and use that to hopefully help inform ODRL Geospatial/GeoDRM/preservation DRM efforts with the idea that the long term solution lies there ... but then again maybe we'll find a way to wait things out a bit longer. Steve From renato at odrl.net Thu Dec 2 12:15:29 2004 From: renato at odrl.net (Renato Iannella) Date: Sat Jun 2 13:28:18 2007 Subject: [Odrl-geospatial] Relationship between GeoDRM & ODRL [forwarded] Message-ID: From: "Cardinale, Joseph D" Date: 2 December 2004 03:32:22 GMT+10:00 To: Cc: , Subject: [Odrl-geospatial] Relationship between GeoDRM & ODRL [resent] Hello All, I got the link to the discussion board from Elaine's email she sent yesterday. Below I will try and answer some of the questions you have posed below regarding the OGC GeoDRM efforts. Joe Cardinale The Boeing Company Space & Intelligence Systems Mission Systems 703-270-6666 joseph.d.cardinale@boeing.com From: spmorris at ncsu.edu Date: 1 December 2004 12:48:18 GMT+10:00 To: "ODRL Geospatial Profile Working Group" > Subject: Re: [Odrl-geospatial] Relationship between GeoDRM & ODRL Elaine, > I will be attending the USGS Policy > meeting in Washington DC next week and I am looking forward to speaking > with Joe Cardinale (co-chair of OGC Geo DRM WG) and Tim Case (GeoData > Alliance) who also will be in attendance. ... > I'll be sure to write up a report of this meeting and share it with > everyone. That would be great. I tried to join the GeoDRM listserv some time back and got bounced (no OGC membership). We've been trying to join the OGC for some time now to engage on this and other issues of interest but that hasn't panned out yet. I will be presenting the status of the OGC meeting in Chicago (9/04) and giving everybody a sneak peek at the results of the GeoDRM survey I hosted this past month for OGC. This survey will be made available for public consumption after it is presented to the OGC working group in January. > > I do agree with Steve's assessment of geoDRM, I'm not so sure how well > their work will apply to the kind of objects that we are dealing with > in > an educational setting. Yeah, I'd like to get a better sense of the use cases GeoDRM will cover. We are still defining the detailed use cases we will cover. To date we have about 11 or 12 use cases from our call for input. They are in various states of completion and cover the gamut for completeness. We hope to finish reviewing them and provide a better picture of one or two discrete cases for the meeting in January. Will it cover client interaction with a WMS or WFS or WCS or geocoding service? -- most likely Yes to the above Will it cover download of a GML file from a server? -- possibly Will it cover download of a shapefile from an FTP server? -- not so sure about that We are not specifying what the data should look like. For this preservation project we are working on we are also dealing with the issue of getting preservation use cases into these discussions. If these use cases don't get into the domain DRM standards then we may be stuck with using the relevant domain DRM for 'use' elements in combination with some other possible generic 'preservation' DRM elements. > I don't know of anyone who is doing this. Although Mann Library at > Cornell > is committed to implementing METS for our geospatial repository, we > have > not decided what RE schema we plan to use. If this working group can > get > a profile started with ODRL, I would like to use it. Since we need a short term solution I think where we might be at is trying to shoehorn some things into METS DRM, documenting all the ways that doesn't work, and use that to hopefully help inform ODRL Geospatial/GeoDRM/preservation DRM efforts with the idea that the long term solution lies there ... but then again maybe we'll find a way to wait things out a bit longer. Steve