IRC log of gld on 2012-09-27

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Zakim, this will be GLD

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ok, trackbot, I see T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM already started

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Meeting: Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference

13:58:48 [trackbot]

Date: 27 September 2012

13:59:03 [bhyland]

Good morning & afternoon all

13:59:05 [bhyland]

Agenda:

13:59:07 [bhyland]

http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20120927

13:59:27 [Zakim]

+Sandro

13:59:41 [Zakim]

+ +3539149aabb

13:59:52 [mhausenblas]

Zakim, aabb is me

13:59:53 [Zakim]

+mhausenblas; got it

14:00:00 [Zakim]

+ +3539149aacc

14:00:08 [bhyland]

GT had last minute work obligation and asked me to chair today's meeting

14:00:39 [mhausenblas]

Zakim, cygri is with me

14:00:39 [Zakim]

+cygri; got it

14:00:48 [Zakim]

+??P8

14:01:06 [BartvanLeeuwen]

Zakim, ??p8 is me

14:01:06 [Zakim]

+BartvanLeeuwen; got it

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DaveReynolds has joined #gld

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+ +33.4.93.00.aadd

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fadmaa has joined #gld

14:02:33 [bhyland]

zakim, who is on the call?

14:02:33 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Sandro, mhausenblas, +3539149aacc, BartvanLeeuwen, +33.4.93.00.aadd, +1.540.898.aaaa

14:02:36 [Zakim]

mhausenblas has mhausenblas, cygri

14:02:38 [Zakim]

+ +33.4.93.00.aaee

14:02:56 [DeirdreLee]

Zakim, +3539149aacc is me

14:02:56 [Zakim]

+DeirdreLee; got it

14:03:03 [bhyland]

zakim, aaaa is me

14:03:03 [Zakim]

+bhyland; got it

14:03:17 [gatemezi]

Zakim, +33.4.93.00.aadd is me

14:03:17 [Zakim]

+gatemezi; got it

14:03:21 [fadmaa]

Zakim, fadmaa is with DeirdreLee

14:03:21 [Zakim]

+fadmaa; got it

14:03:52 [Zakim]

+??P22

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14:04:06 [bhyland]

zakim, who is on the call?

14:04:06 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Sandro, mhausenblas, DeirdreLee, BartvanLeeuwen, gatemezi, +33.4.93.00.aaee, DaveReynolds, bhyland

14:04:09 [Zakim]

DeirdreLee has DeirdreLee, fadmaa

14:04:09 [Zakim]

mhausenblas has mhausenblas, cygri

14:04:27 [PhilA2]

zakim, I'm going to call back in since you didn't recognise my call

14:04:27 [Zakim]

I don't understand you, PhilA2

14:04:32 [bhyland]

zakim, aaee is gatemezi

14:04:34 [Zakim]

+gatemezi; got it

14:04:38 [Zakim]

-gatemezi

14:04:57 [bhyland]

zakim, who is on the call?

14:04:57 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Sandro, mhausenblas, DeirdreLee, BartvanLeeuwen, gatemezi.a, DaveReynolds, bhyland

14:05:00 [Zakim]

DeirdreLee has DeirdreLee, fadmaa

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mhausenblas has mhausenblas, cygri

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+??P16

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+??P29

14:05:11 [PhilA2]

zakim, ??P16 is me

14:05:13 [Zakim]

+PhilA2; got it

14:05:14 [martinAlvarez]

zakim, ??P16 is me

14:05:14 [Zakim]

I already had ??P16 as PhilA2, martinAlvarez

14:05:15 [fadmaa]

Zakim, Gofran is with DeirdreLee

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+Gofran; got it

14:05:27 [PhilA2]

zakim, ??P29 is me

14:05:27 [Zakim]

+PhilA2; got it

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14:05:35 [PhilA2]

zakim, who is here?

14:05:35 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Sandro, mhausenblas, DeirdreLee, BartvanLeeuwen, gatemezi.a, DaveReynolds, PhilA2, PhilA2.a, bhyland

14:05:37 [Zakim]

DeirdreLee has DeirdreLee, fadmaa, Gofran

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mhausenblas has mhausenblas, cygri

14:05:37 [Zakim]

On IRC I see cygri, Gofran, martinAlvarez, fadmaa, gatemezi, DaveReynolds, PhilA2, Zakim, RRSAgent, bhyland, DeirdreLee, BartvanLeeuwen, MacTed, trackbot, danbri, mhausenblas,

14:05:40 [Zakim]

... sandro

14:05:51 [gatemezi]

Zakim, gatemezi.a is me

14:05:52 [Zakim]

+gatemezi; got it

14:05:58 [martinAlvarez]

zakim, mute me

14:06:00 [Zakim]

sorry, martinAlvarez, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

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zakim, ??P16 is me

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I already had ??P16 as PhilA2, martinAlvarez

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+Mike_Pendleton

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14:06:43 [mhausenblas]

Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20120927

14:06:45 [bhyland]

zakim, who is on the call?

14:07:11 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Sandro, mhausenblas, DeirdreLee, BartvanLeeuwen, gatemezi, DaveReynolds, PhilA2, PhilA2.a, Mike_Pendleton, bhyland

14:07:18 [Zakim]

DeirdreLee has DeirdreLee, fadmaa, Gofran

14:07:20 [Zakim]

mhausenblas has mhausenblas, cygri

14:08:06 [bhyland]

Please confirm last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-09-20

14:08:09 [mhausenblas]

+1

14:08:15 [DeirdreLee]

Scribe: DeirdreLee

14:08:15 [sandro]

sandro has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20120927

14:08:15 [gatemezi]

+1

14:08:53 [PhilA2]

+1 to last week's minutes

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Chris Beer has just joined GLD WG

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+[LC]

14:10:00 [tinagheen]

Zakim, [LC] is me

14:10:00 [Zakim]

+tinagheen; got it

14:10:05 [PhilA2]

Public spending http://publicspending.medialab.ntua.gr/

14:10:21 [DeirdreLee]

There are also two other new members

14:10:56 [DeirdreLee]

Vassilios Peristeras is an invited expert

14:10:57 [bhyland]

Welcome to the new IEs: Chris Beer, Agis Papantoniou, and Vassilios

14:11:28 [PhilA2]

Agis Papantoniou shows up on ICR as agipap

14:11:36 [PhilA2]

s/ICR/IRC/

14:12:12 [DeirdreLee]

Topic: Working towards getting deliverables to LC status

14:12:30 [gatemezi]

Zakim, mute me

14:12:30 [Zakim]

gatemezi should now be muted

14:12:40 [DeirdreLee]

bhyland: is there sufficient interest in the group and enough work being done to justify an extension

14:13:03 [DeirdreLee]

... cygri emailed summary of deliverables and status to list

14:13:20 [bhyland]

q?

14:13:22 [DeirdreLee]

... could those named in that summary discuss status

14:13:23 [cygri]

the deliverables summary is here btw: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Deliverables

14:13:29 [bhyland]

Topics: Org Vocab

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s/Topics/Topic

14:14:05 [DeirdreLee]

DaveReynolds: developed originally outside of WG

14:14:11 [bhyland]

DaveReynolds: Mature and used vocab but there were changes suggested by Bart ...

14:14:25 [DeirdreLee]

... feedback from Bart on how vocab could be updated

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s/Bart/BartvanLeeuwen

14:14:52 [bhyland]

ORG Vocab FPWD here http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-org/

14:14:53 [DaveReynolds]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2012Sep/0030.html and http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2012Sep/0031.html

14:14:58 [DeirdreLee]

... need to define role within ORG

14:14:58 [Zakim]

+Sandro.a

14:15:50 [DeirdreLee]

... longest use of ORG is from UK government publishing data periodically

14:16:02 [PhilA2]

-> http://data.gov.uk/organogram UK Government Organograms

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14:16:16 [DeirdreLee]

... Jeni Tenison carried out work on this

14:16:39 [DeirdreLee]

... it may be worth finalising, based on usage by Bart and Jeni

14:17:00 [Zakim]

+??P27

14:17:01 [DeirdreLee]

... incorporate Jeni's extension into ORG

14:17:10 [Yigal]

zakim, ??P27 is me

14:17:10 [Zakim]

+Yigal; got it

14:17:13 [bhyland]

zakim, who is on the call?

14:17:13 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Sandro, mhausenblas, DeirdreLee, BartvanLeeuwen, gatemezi (muted), DaveReynolds, PhilA2, PhilA2.a, Mike_Pendleton, tinagheen, Sandro.a, Yigal, bhyland

14:17:16 [Zakim]

DeirdreLee has DeirdreLee, fadmaa, Gofran

14:17:16 [Zakim]

mhausenblas has mhausenblas, cygri

14:17:42 [DeirdreLee]

... extension based around role and post

14:18:39 [DeirdreLee]

... this overlaps with some of ORG, so have to decide how to incorporate/integrate it

14:18:49 [DeirdreLee]

... recommendations should have to be included

14:19:18 [mhausenblas]

Michael: Would be happy to go to LC with that

14:19:47 [DeirdreLee]

... asks should there be another working draft version or could we go straight to LC with these changes

14:20:29 [PhilA2]

q+

14:20:47 [mhausenblas]

q+ to say just waiting for a proposal from DaveReynolds ;)

14:20:58 [bhyland]

Bart feels satisfied with the changes that DaveReynolds

14:21:02 [bhyland]

mentioned

14:21:43 [mhausenblas]

q?

14:21:53 [DeirdreLee]

bhyland: as long as the issues that have been raised have been considered/addressed, there may not be a need for another FPWD

14:22:13 [BartvanLeeuwen]

q+

14:22:32 [bhyland]

Sandro: If we say it is ready to LC, that means everyone in the WG has considered it & made whatever comments they wish to make.

14:22:34 [bhyland]

q?

14:22:44 [mhausenblas]

ack PhilA

14:22:45 [mhausenblas]

q?

14:22:49 [DeirdreLee]

DaveReynolds: agrees with Bernadette. Highlights that once the document goes to LC, all comments should have been made

14:23:07 [DeirdreLee]

PhilA2: Is there still writing to be done on ORG?

14:23:34 [DeirdreLee]

DaveReynolds: there is still some writing to be done

14:24:15 [DeirdreLee]

... suggests that this writing is finalised, and there is then sent to list for review, and then lt document go to LC

14:24:31 [bhyland]

q?

14:24:33 [mhausenblas]

Michael: based on http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr.html#last-call

14:24:35 [mhausenblas]

ack me

14:24:35 [Zakim]

mhausenblas, you wanted to say just waiting for a proposal from DaveReynolds ;)

14:25:18 [DeirdreLee]

mhausenblas: confirms that LC means the requirements has been met in terms of charter and dependencies on other groups has been satisfied

14:25:28 [bhyland]

q?

14:25:30 [BartvanLeeuwen]

ack me

14:25:32 [PhilA2]

q+ to talk about implementations other than UK gov

14:26:05 [DeirdreLee]

... once this is the case, Dave could push for LC

14:26:16 [bhyland]

q?

14:26:19 [PhilA2]

ack me

14:26:19 [Zakim]

PhilA, you wanted to talk about implementations other than UK gov

14:26:38 [BartvanLeeuwen]

q+

14:26:59 [DeirdreLee]

PhilA: Do we know of an implmentation of ORG other than UK government organograms?

14:27:12 [DeirdreLee]

... in order to get to LC we need at lest 2

14:27:23 [bhyland]

PhilA2: Asked whether there are any other reference implementations for ORG besides UK Organograms project

14:27:27 [bhyland]

q?

14:27:34 [DeirdreLee]

DaveReynolds: There have been other uses, but doesn't know if they are public

14:27:56 [bhyland]

MartinAlvarez: Said there are two implementation in Spain … Martin to add links.

14:28:02 [bhyland]

q?

14:28:06 [DeirdreLee]

MartinAlvarez: It has been used by the andalucia government and in the Spanish OD initiative

14:28:26 [bhyland]

ack Bart

14:28:54 [gatemezi]

Here http://data.lirmm.fr/ontologies/sp in France,

14:29:02 [DeirdreLee]

BartvanLeeuwen: is involved in a disaster-managment project that plans to use ORG vocabulary

14:29:04 [gatemezi]

you have also a ude -case of Org voca

14:29:10 [gatemezi]

s/voca/vocab

14:29:19 [martinAlvarez]

Andalussian Open Data: [http://www.juntadeandalucia.es/datosabiertos/portal.html] (Datasets are not public yet, but in process)

14:30:03 [DeirdreLee]

bhyland: Can Dave specify a date when all these updates will be made?

14:30:03 [PhilA2]

So when we get to CR we should be sitting in clover

14:30:22 [DeirdreLee]

DaveReynolds: Has just received a comment from Chris Beer, needs time to incorporate these

14:30:49 [DeirdreLee]

... aims to send out a revised document by next Thursday's meeting, so we can take a vote by the following Thursday

14:31:03 [martinAlvarez]

Spanish Open Data [http://datos.gob.es] will publish these data as well

14:31:04 [bhyland]

… suggested appointing a Reviewer

14:31:07 [DeirdreLee]

... should we point to a reviewer now?

14:32:20 [DeirdreLee]

... a reviewer is one or two people who are appointed to read the document, both for content and typo purposes, before LC version is published

14:32:38 [bhyland]

Process note: 1-2 reviewers appointed to ensure QA within GLD WG … to avoid typos and glaring errors before going to LC

14:33:23 [cygri]

zakim, pick a victim

14:33:23 [Zakim]

Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose mhausenblas

14:33:25 [mhausenblas]

Zakim, pick a victim

14:33:26 [Zakim]

Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose BartvanLeeuwen

14:34:05 [bhyland]

Many thanks to Bart and Michael for agreeing to be Reviewers.

14:34:18 [mhausenblas]

Michael: You're *very* welcome

14:35:03 [DeirdreLee]

bhyland: will read as native english speaker and as a potential user and as chaire

14:35:15 [DeirdreLee]

s/chaire/chair

14:36:30 [bhyland]

q?

14:36:39 [bhyland]

Woohoo!

14:37:13 [DeirdreLee]

Topic: DCAT

14:37:53 [bhyland]

Yes please Deirdre!

14:38:17 [bhyland]

two actions really, one for Dave, second as reviewers for Michael, Bart and me

14:38:20 [DeirdreLee]

fadmaa: suggests to go through the issues in dcat and try and clear them

14:38:52 [bhyland]

Fadi proposed going through tracker re: DCAT see https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/products/2

14:39:22 [Zakim]

-Sandro.a

14:39:54 [cygri]

ISSUE-4?

14:39:54 [trackbot]

ISSUE-4 -- Should we define ranges for other people's vocabularies? -- raised

14:39:54 [trackbot]

http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/4

14:40:24 [DeirdreLee]

suggestion: close issue with no actions reason: based on the related discussion it seems that this doesn't make big difference. My preference (and Phil's as in the issue description) is to provide usage note without stating assertions about external properties

14:40:35 [sandro]

PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-4 saying "No", but we'll include usage notes

14:40:42 [cygri]

+1

14:40:45 [mhausenblas]

+1

14:40:47 [gatemezi]

+1

14:40:47 [sandro]

+0

14:40:48 [DaveReynolds]

+1

14:40:49 [fadmaa]

+1

14:41:08 [sandro]

RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-4 saying "No", but we'll include usage notes

14:41:14 [cygri]

ISSUE-5?

14:41:14 [trackbot]

ISSUE-5 -- Implications of the domain of dcterms:accrualPeriodicity -- raised

14:41:14 [trackbot]

http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/5

14:41:48 [DeirdreLee]

suggestion: close with no actions reason: the implication of inferring dcat:Dataset as dcterms:Collection is fine

14:42:00 [sandro]

PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-5 with no action.

14:42:02 [DeirdreLee]

(suggestions come from Fadi's mail to mailing-list)

14:42:17 [gatemezi]

+1

14:42:17 [martinAlvarez]

+1

14:42:18 [fadmaa]

+1

14:42:24 [sandro]

RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-5 with no action.

14:42:40 [cygri]

ISSUE-6?

14:42:40 [trackbot]

ISSUE-6 -- How should dcat publishers figure out good URIs for properties with non-literal ranges? -- raised

14:42:40 [trackbot]

http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/6

14:42:46 [DeirdreLee]

suggestion: close with no action reason: out of scope. We can provide some pointers in the usage note for values that have some general consensus but without making this part of the vocabulary specification

14:43:24 [cygri]

q+

14:43:26 [DeirdreLee]

fadmaa: does anyone have concrete suggestions?

14:44:34 [DeirdreLee]

cygri: we don't need to make any formal recommendations, but we should make some comment outlining possibilities

14:44:36 [bhyland]

cygri: There should be mention of the possibilities for handling non-literal ranges

14:44:44 [bhyland]

q?

14:44:46 [sandro]

cygri: We don't need a formal MUST, but we should say something, outlining the possibilities. Or maybe in the Best Practices document. Some paragraphs, with some examples.

14:44:49 [DeirdreLee]

... could this be included in the best-practice document?

14:44:52 [DeirdreLee]

ack cygri

14:44:52 [PhilA2]

+1 to talking about this in the BP document. It's an issue but I agree it's not specific to DCAT

14:45:08 [bhyland]

+1

14:45:10 [sandro]

bhyland: Right, it's not unique to DCAT.

14:45:20 [DeirdreLee]

cygri: these patterns are applicable to all vocabularies, not just DCAT

14:45:35 [gatemezi]

+1

14:45:38 [sandro]

PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-6, deferring to Best Practices for this kind of advice

14:45:50 [bhyland]

+1

14:47:00 [cygri]

PROPOSAL: move ISSUE-6 from DCAT to BP, and add ACTION to a DCAT editor on putting in a link

14:47:26 [bhyland]

+1

14:47:39 [fadmaa]

+1

14:47:41 [sandro]

+1

14:48:37 [DeirdreLee]

PhilA2: there is a dependency on the BP doc

14:48:37 [cygri]

+1

14:48:37 [sandro]

RESOLVED: move ISSUE-6 from DCAT to BP, and add ACTION to a DCAT editor on putting in a link

14:48:40 [PhilA2]

ACTION fadmaa to include text in DCAT to point to the BP doc, with link to the issue in the interim

14:48:40 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-77 - Include text in DCAT to point to the BP doc, with link to the issue in the interim [on Fadi Maali - due 2012-10-04].

14:48:46 [cygri]

ISSUE-7?

14:48:46 [trackbot]

ISSUE-7 -- Drop dcat:accessUrl, use the URI of the dcat:Download resource instead -- raised

14:48:46 [trackbot]

http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/7

14:49:18 [cygri]

PROPOSAL: drop ISSUE-7 with no action

14:49:19 [sandro]

PROPOSAL: Close ISSUE-7, no action, keeping accessUrl as it's still needed.

14:49:19 [DeirdreLee]

suggestion: close with no actions reason: dcat:accessURL is needed especially when a dataset has multiple distributions (see the related emails on the issue page for details)

14:49:38 [cygri]

+1

14:49:43 [sandro]

+1

14:49:44 [DaveReynolds]

+1

14:49:45 [fadmaa]

+1

14:50:06 [mhausenblas]

+1

14:50:09 [gatemezi]

+1

14:50:13 [sandro]

RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-7, no action, keeping accessUrl as it's still needed.

14:50:16 [cygri]

ISSUE-8?

14:50:16 [trackbot]

ISSUE-8 -- add a property to distinguish direct and indirect access of dcat:Distribution -- raised

14:50:16 [trackbot]

http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/8

14:50:23 [sandro]

PhilA2: I hate accessUrl, but I see it's necessary.

14:50:26 [DeirdreLee]

suggestion: no suggestion reason: need some further discussions. I summarized three possible options here at: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2012Mar/0080.html

14:50:45 [cygri]

ISSUE-9?

14:50:45 [trackbot]

ISSUE-9 -- dcat:Distribution and its subclasses are unnecessary -- raised

14:50:45 [trackbot]

http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/9

14:50:47 [DeirdreLee]

fadmaa: there is no clear consensus on this issue

14:51:04 [cygri]

+1

14:51:16 [DeirdreLee]

q+

14:51:43 [PhilA2]

ack DeirdreLee

14:51:48 [cygri]

q+

14:51:54 [sandro]

yes, all issues need to be closed before going to LC

14:51:55 [cygri]

q-

14:51:57 [DeirdreLee]

bhyland: leave issue 8 and 9 open

14:52:14 [DeirdreLee]

DeirdreLee: can we have a plan to resolve these issues

14:52:31 [sandro]

issue-10?

14:52:31 [trackbot]

ISSUE-10 -- Refine dcat:granularity to dcat:spatialGranularity and dcat:temporalGranularity -- raised

14:52:31 [trackbot]

http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/10

14:52:41 [DeirdreLee]

bhyland: follow-up on this on email, if it can't be resolved, it will be discussed in future telco

14:52:49 [DeirdreLee]

suggestion: close with no actions reason: dcat:granularity is not much used in practice now (but still used by data.gov for example and therefore I don't support dropping it). It is hard to suggest refinement to it. suggest keeping it as a general property in case people want to use it. --> close no action

14:53:32 [cygri]

q+

14:53:43 [bhyland]

I hear 'move it to Open status'

14:53:50 [gatemezi]

fadmaa, so we leave it just because is used by data.gov?

14:54:03 [bhyland]

q?

14:54:08 [DeirdreLee]

fadmaa: it is not clear how it will be used, but there is potential for it, so therefore just to leave it and not further refining it to subproperties

14:54:19 [sandro]

q+ to ask if you can do spatial and temporal granularity with dcat:granularity

14:54:54 [sandro]

+1 cygri don't include properties that wont be understood/consistently used.

14:54:56 [bhyland]

Cygri: Prudent thing to do is drop it *if* we don't think it will be used consistently...

14:55:16 [DeirdreLee]

cygri: if it is unclear how it is used, the prudent thing is to drop it

14:55:22 [bhyland]

+1

14:55:29 [bhyland]

q?

14:55:32 [gatemezi]

+1

14:55:33 [bhyland]

ack cygri

14:55:33 [sandro]

q-

14:55:47 [PhilA2]

q+

14:56:00 [bhyland]

Deirdre: Mentioned it is used on data.gov so we might break something which is undesireable.

14:56:04 [bhyland]

q?

14:56:15 [gatemezi]

+1 to have a sample of the use-case of data.gov

14:56:53 [bhyland]

I suggest we move this to Open status and check back next week with George as our data.gov POC

14:56:59 [tinagheen]

Is Chris Musialek still a member of this WG? We could ask him for more details as he works on data.gov.

14:57:39 [DeirdreLee]

PhilA: if we are discussing granularity or coverage, because spatial and temporal are DC terms

14:57:43 [cygri]

i'm ok with changing ISSUE-10 to open

14:58:21 [bhyland]

Please make sure you visit this page, http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Deliverables

14:58:33 [DeirdreLee]

bhyland: we didn't get to discuss the deliverables summary that Richard sent around

14:59:00 [DeirdreLee]

q+

14:59:17 [mhausenblas]

q+ to quickly state something re People vocab

14:59:48 [sandro]

q+ to suggest fadi email PROPOSAL's on handling these.

15:00:05 [DeirdreLee]

... we should review ISA vocab docs in our own time and use telcos to discuss

15:00:17 [sandro]

fadmaa, can you email proposed resolutions, like I've been putting on IRC?

15:00:28 [sandro]

q-

15:00:31 [bhyland]

q?

15:00:35 [PhilA2]

q-

15:00:55 [mhausenblas]

q?

15:01:02 [mhausenblas]

ack DeirdreLee

15:01:20 [bhyland]

ta

15:01:29 [mhausenblas]

Michael: for the record, Gofran is already a member

15:01:31 [PhilA2]

DeirdreLee: We've discussed ADMS here at DERI. Gofran Shukair has been involved with it from the beginning so she's going to join the editoral team for ADMS

15:01:32 [mhausenblas]

q?

15:01:41 [bhyland]

+1 to adding Gogran to the ISA Programme vocab review group

15:02:04 [gatemezi]

s/Gogran/Gofran

15:02:05 [bhyland]

s/Gogran/Gofran

15:02:21 [bhyland]

Topic: Deliverables Schedule

15:02:40 [bhyland]

Please review http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Deliverables for next week

15:03:00 [DeirdreLee]

.mhausenblas: People vocabulary. what should the namepace be?

15:03:03 [bhyland]

Topic: ISA Programme vocabs

15:03:06 [bhyland]

q?

15:03:14 [bhyland]

ack michael

15:03:15 [DeirdreLee]

... this decision should be made by the group

15:03:21 [bhyland]

ack mhausenblas

15:03:21 [Zakim]

mhausenblas, you wanted to quickly state something re People vocab

15:03:34 [bhyland]

q?

15:04:04 [sandro]

The only promise to the EC was that this would considered.

15:04:04 [PhilA2]

No one disagrees with you Michael, certainly not me :-)

15:04:04 [mhausenblas]

q?

15:04:20 [PhilA2]

And it's why these things have not yet been published...

15:04:27 [sandro]

bhyland: We just agreed to review it.

15:05:00 [mhausenblas]

[[ Finally, W3C and the WG chairs made a commitment to the European Commission that we would, in some way, publish the ISA Person Core Vocabulary in w3.org space. We can't just ignore that commitment. ]]

15:05:25 [DeirdreLee]

bhyland: there's no rubber-stamping on this, so it does needs everyones input to review it and agree to it, before we include it

15:05:28 [Zakim]

+ +61.4.286.0.aaff

15:05:30 [bhyland]

Right, the commitment is to *review* it and if OK, we'll go through the normal & usual REC track process

15:06:02 [mhausenblas]

Michael: I agree with the interpretation that the chairs have committed to review it, yes.

15:06:24 [bhyland]

q?

15:06:38 [PhilA2]

zakim, aaff is Chris Beer

15:06:38 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'aaff is Chris Beer', PhilA2

15:06:44 [Zakim]

-Mike_Pendleton

15:06:55 [cygri]

thanks all!

15:07:00 [PhilA2]

zakim, aaff is Chris_Beer

15:07:00 [Zakim]

+Chris_Beer; got it

15:07:02 [gatemezi]

thanks!

15:07:03 [Zakim]

-Yigal

15:07:05 [Zakim]

-mhausenblas

15:07:06 [Zakim]

-PhilA2

15:07:08 [Zakim]

-tinagheen

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-Sandro

15:07:12 [DaveReynolds]

Thanks all.

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-gatemezi

15:07:42 [Zakim]

-DaveReynolds

15:07:47 [Zakim]

-PhilA2.a

15:07:49 [Zakim]

-BartvanLeeuwen

15:08:35 [DeirdreLee]

Action Dave to include all updates and distribute next version of ORG vocabulary by next Thursday's meeting (4th Oct)

15:08:35 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-78 - Include all updates and distribute next version of ORG vocabulary by next Thursday's meeting (4th Oct) [on Dave Reynolds - due 2012-10-04].

15:09:36 [DeirdreLee]

ACTION mhausenblas and bartvanLeeuwen to review the final version of the ORG vocabulary for content and typo errors before the document is released as LC

15:09:36 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-79 - And bartvanLeeuwen to review the final version of the ORG vocabulary for content and typo errors before the document is released as LC [on Michael Hausenblas - due 2012-10-04].

15:10:12 [bhyland]

Thanks Deirdre for keeping up with today's minutes

15:11:09 [bhyland]

Do you need any help publishing minutes Deirdre?

15:11:24 [bhyland]

OK, I'll do it.

15:11:33 [bhyland]

RRSAgent, set logs world-visible

15:11:44 [bhyland]

RRSAgent, generate minutes

15:11:44 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/09/27-gld-minutes.html bhyland

15:12:04 [DeirdreLee]

thanks Bernadette

15:12:08 [bhyland]

np

15:13:41 [Zakim]

-DeirdreLee

15:16:22 [bhyland]

Minutes have been published here http://www.w3.org/2012/09/27-gld-minutes.html

15:16:25 [bhyland]

Thanks all

15:26:45 [Zakim]

-bhyland

15:26:47 [Zakim]

-Chris_Beer

15:26:48 [Zakim]

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Attendees were +1.540.898.aaaa, Sandro, +3539149aabb, mhausenblas, cygri, BartvanLeeuwen, +33.4.93.00.aaee, DeirdreLee, bhyland, gatemezi, fadmaa, DaveReynolds, PhilA2, Gofran,

15:26:48 [Zakim]

... Mike_Pendleton, tinagheen, Yigal, +61.4.286.0.aaff, Chris_Beer

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15:46:40 [PhilA2]

rrsagent, geneate minutes

15:46:40 [RRSAgent]

I'm logging. I don't understand 'geneate minutes', PhilA2. Try /msg RRSAgent help

15:46:45 [PhilA2]

rrsagent, generate minutes

15:46:45 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/09/27-gld-minutes.html PhilA2

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19:19:57 [bhyland]

Hi Mike

19:20:02 [bhyland]

See http://usepa.3roundstones.net/main-article.docbook?view

19:39:10 [bhyland]

Mike, see http://www.data.gov/developers/showcase

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