13:09:08 RRSAgent has joined #dap 13:09:08 logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/09/26-dap-irc 13:09:10 RRSAgent, make logs world 13:09:10 Zakim has joined #dap 13:09:12 Zakim, this will be DAP 13:09:12 ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 51 minutes 13:09:13 Meeting: Device APIs Working Group Teleconference 13:09:13 Date: 26 September 2012 13:09:50 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Sep/0130.html 13:10:19 Regrets+ Josh_Soref 13:10:44 Topic: Administrative, announcements 13:12:10 fjh: Correction to cancelations noted on 12 Sept resolution: 7 Nov and 21 Nov canceled. Updated upcoming meeting schedule at http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/minutes.html#upcoming-teleconferences 13:51:10 ccourtney has joined #dap 13:51:19 Present+ Colin_Courtney 13:52:08 Regrets+ Milan_Patel 13:52:27 Chair: Frederick_Hirsch 13:52:36 Present+ Frederick_Hirsch 13:53:13 ScribeNick: fjh 13:53:59 UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started 13:54:06 +ccourtney 13:57:28 +??P17 13:57:37 zakim, ??P17 is me 13:57:37 +fjh; got it 13:57:45 zakim, who is here? 13:57:45 On the phone I see ccourtney, fjh 13:57:46 On IRC I see ccourtney, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, AlexanderSalas, darobin, richt, hiroto_away, glenn, slightlyoff, tobie, Josh_Soref, mounir, trackbot, dom 13:58:21 gmandyam has joined #dap 13:58:51 +gmandyam 13:59:34 Hello from Giri Mandyam (QuIC) - joining from (858) area code 14:00:05 Jungkee has joined #dap 14:00:24 Present+ Jungkee_Song 14:01:57 Claes has joined #dap 14:02:13 +??P3 14:02:38 zakim, ??P3 is Jungkee 14:02:38 +Jungkee; got it 14:02:38 Zakim, ??P3 is me 14:02:39 I already had ??P3 as Jungkee, Jungkee 14:02:54 zakim, who is here? 14:02:54 On the phone I see ccourtney, fjh, gmandyam, Jungkee 14:02:56 On IRC I see Claes, Jungkee, gmandyam, ccourtney, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, AlexanderSalas, darobin, richt, hiroto_away, glenn, slightlyoff, tobie, Josh_Soref, mounir, trackbot, dom 14:03:47 + +46.1.08.01.aaaa - is perhaps Claes? 14:04:05 zakim, aaaa is claes 14:04:05 sorry, fjh, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa' 14:04:12 zakim, who is here? 14:04:12 On the phone I see ccourtney, fjh, gmandyam, Jungkee, Claes? 14:04:13 On IRC I see Claes, Jungkee, gmandyam, ccourtney, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, AlexanderSalas, darobin, richt, hiroto_away, glenn, slightlyoff, tobie, Josh_Soref, mounir, trackbot, dom 14:04:22 zakim, Claes? is Claes 14:04:22 +Claes; got it 14:05:00 Cathy has joined #dap 14:06:28 fjh: One agenda addition - shelving calendar 14:06:40 nwidell has joined #dap 14:06:49 Topic: Minutes approval 14:07:01 Approve 12 Sept 2012 minutes: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Sep/att-0090/minutes-2012-09-12.html 14:07:09 Approve 19 Sept 2012 minutes: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Sep/att-0096/minutes-2012-09-19.html 14:07:16 RESOLUTION: Minutes from 12 and 19 Sept 2012 are approved 14:07:27 +nwidell 14:07:29 Topic: HTML Media Capture Last Call comments 14:07:30 dtran has joined #dap 14:07:35 Present+ Dzung_Tran 14:07:39 LC-2635 and LC-2636 resolved. See https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/43696/WD-html-media-capture-20120712/doc/ 14:07:50 However edit to add reference to clarify "implicit consent" would be helpful: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Sep/0122.html 14:08:13 action: anssi to add reference to clarify "implicit consent" in HTML Media Capture, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Sep/0122.html 14:08:13 Created ACTION-579 - Add reference to clarify "implicit consent" in HTML Media Capture, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Sep/0122.html [on Anssi Kostiainen - due 2012-10-03]. 14:08:22 fjh: Continue other comment review on list 14:08:31 Topic: Pick Contacts Intent 14:08:40 Need for search use case discussion - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Sep/0119.html 14:08:41 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Sep/0124.html 14:08:45 +??P14 14:08:51 zakim, ??P14 is me 14:08:51 +Cathy; got it 14:09:18 jungkee: bryan provided a use case I did not have 14:09:45 jungkee: service provider could provide customized UI based on user name or user id given by client side 14:09:54 jungkee: this is a useful use case 14:10:08 +q 14:10:17 ... so we may wish to keep this optional dictionary until we are sure it is really necessary 14:10:25 ack gmandyam 14:11:05 gmandyam: not clear from mail chain why there is an objection to search for contacts ; seems different than pick media 14:11:07 -Cathy 14:11:19 ... is everyone convinced that this isn't needed 14:11:39 jungkee: did not have a compelling use case before 14:11:43 fjh: wanted to make it simpler 14:12:02 jungkee: service provider could provide a UI for consistency 14:12:11 + +1.781.266.aabb 14:12:18 Present+ Niklas_Widell 14:12:18 zakim, aabb is me 14:12:18 +Cathy; got it 14:12:48 gmandyman: not sure why this didn't also apply to pick medai 14:12:53 s/medai/media 14:12:55 -Cathy 14:13:01 s/medai/media/ 14:13:03 Present+ Claes_Nilsson 14:13:28 +Cathy 14:13:31 jungkee: pick media and pick contact should be similar 14:13:54 ... both are based on WebIntents 14:15:21 jungkee: can we extent call for consensus 14:15:27 fjh: yes, of course, will do that 14:15:35 action: fjh to extent CfC 14:15:35 Created ACTION-580 - Extent CfC [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2012-10-03]. 14:16:04 Topic: Discovery API 14:16:11 A new version of the Networking and Service Discovery & Messaging specification is now available as an ED update, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Sep/0128.html 14:16:27 fjh: this new version should address cathy's comments, please all review it 14:16:32 zakim, who is here? 14:16:32 On the phone I see ccourtney, fjh, gmandyam, Jungkee, Claes, nwidell, Cathy 14:16:34 On IRC I see dtran, nwidell, Cathy, Claes, Jungkee, gmandyam, ccourtney, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, AlexanderSalas, darobin, richt, hiroto_away, glenn, slightlyoff, tobie, Josh_Soref, 14:16:34 ... mounir, trackbot, dom 14:16:52 Present+ Alexander_Salas 14:16:56 cathy: I plan to send out some comments this week or next week 14:17:19 Topic: TPAC F2F Preparation 14:17:52 fjh: Please remember to complete the WG questionnaire for the F2F, useful to know who is coming, not coming, planning to call in, etc 14:17:52 https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/43696/dapf2ftpac2012/ 14:18:26 also please complete TPAC registration http://www.w3.org/2012/10/TPAC/Overview.html#Registration 14:18:43 fjh: need to pay before 15 October before fee increase 14:19:04 Draft DAP F2F agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/F2F_Agenda_1-2_November_TPAC_Lyon_France , please review it 14:19:30 fjh: still in process of confirming start time and end time, break/lunch times etc 14:19:41 fjh: walking through draft agenda 14:19:45 Clarke has joined #dap 14:22:17 +Clarke 14:24:28 fjh: there will also be a WebIntents session during WebApps on Tuesday, 15:45 - 17:45, http://www.w3.org/wiki/Webapps/TPAC2012Meeting#Agenda_Tuesday_October_30 14:24:45 fjh: there will also be a Media TF session, likely on Tuesday afternoon 14:25:29 fjh: expectation is that we will go through HTML Media Capture LC comments, try to resolve any remaining ones during F2F, prepare to progress to CR 14:25:54 fjh: also expect to review Proximity, Ambient Light Events, Network Information APIs with view toard LC 14:26:00 s/toard/toward/ 14:26:29 fjh: Review status of interop and test cases, Anssi should be back, for Battery, Vibration with view toward progressing to REC 14:26:35 fjh: afternoon of day 1 on webintents 14:27:06 fjh: day 2 start with pick media intent, pick contacts intent, webintents addendum, local services, perhaps progress that one to LC 14:27:30 fjh: however, need discussion on how to get test cases and interop on webintents addendum, local services 14:27:59 fjh: afternoon day 2 Networked Service Discovery and Messaging, ask travis about discussion needed on media capture and streams 14:28:14 fjh: finally more on interop, next steps, issues and actions 14:28:21 fjh: dom should be there, dave will not be 14:28:28 Topic: shelving calendar 14:29:26 fjh: josh suggested we should shelve calendar, since it is out of date, a concern 14:29:51 gmandyam: should change shelved documents to Notes for clarity 14:30:13 gmandyam: should remove IPR language as part of this process 14:32:00 fjh: Note has a standing as a final deliverable which we may not want to provide 14:32:17 gmandyam: even if replaced, still better to keep in note status 14:32:40 ... having a note allows creating a history to avoid making main mistake 14:32:57 s/avoid making main mistake// 14:34:27 gmandyam: it is confusing to members if there are drafts that look like they have IPR concerns 14:34:54 fjh: shelving has no official W3C status, it is a WG construction 14:35:37 "main mistake" was really "same mistake" 14:38:31 RESOLUTION: agree to shelve Calendar 14:39:06 action: fjh to follow up on converting shelved documents to Notes (possibly not published), addressing question of shortname for revised Rec document... 14:39:06 Created ACTION-581 - Follow up on converting shelved documents to Notes (possibly not published), addressing question of shortname for revised Rec document... [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2012-10-03]. 14:39:29 Topic: Action 14:39:37 s/Action/Action Review/ 14:39:50 ACTION-568? 14:39:50 ACTION-568 -- Jungkee Song to work with Robin to move darobin to move API Cookbook to w3c space and prepare for publication as W3C FPWD NOTE -- due 2012-08-29 -- OPEN 14:39:50 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/568 14:40:56 jungkee: Robin indicated he is doing this soon, waiting to hear from Robin 14:41:37 fjh: I'm wondering if we want to publish this in conjunction with the FPWD of "WebIntents Addendum - Local Services", maybe we don't need to do this; thinking of W3C news itmes 14:41:43 s/itmes/items/ 14:41:54 fjh: probably not worth creating a dependency 14:42:36 jungkee: still need to move to w3c space 14:42:44 fjh: that is a bigger concern 14:42:50 jungkee: will follow up 14:43:29 action: fjh to follow up regarding DAP action status offline 14:43:29 Created ACTION-582 - Follow up regarding DAP action status offline [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2012-10-03]. 14:43:59 Topic: Issues 14:44:03 fjh: only one 14:44:09 ISSUE-125? 14:44:09 ISSUE-125 -- Capabilities API compatibility with web privacy and security, assuming untrusted, fingerprinting risk -- open 14:44:09 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/125 14:45:23 -Clarke 14:45:24 Topic: Other business 14:45:25 -Claes 14:45:27 -Cathy 14:45:33 -nwidell 14:45:34 -ccourtney 14:45:36 -Jungkee 14:45:36 s/Other Business/Pending Actions/ 14:45:50 -gmandyam 14:45:52 close ACTION-571 14:45:52 ACTION-571 Enter HTML Media LC comment responses into LC tracker closed 14:45:57 close ACTION-573 14:45:57 ACTION-573 Check with James re implementations of Pick Media and Pick Contact, plans et closed 14:46:04 close ACTION-576 14:46:04 ACTION-576 Send CfC for removal of search from Pick Contacts closed 14:46:12 close ACTION-577 14:46:12 ACTION-577 Draft text proposal to resolve LC-2644 closed 14:46:19 close ACTION-578 14:46:19 ACTION-578 Propose FPWD publication of "Web Intents Addendum - Local Services" on TF closed 14:46:25 Topic: Other Business 14:46:29 none noted. 14:46:54 fjh: Please review the F2F agenda and propose any changes, additions etc. Please try to provide material on the list in advance. 14:47:27 fjh: Please also review the updated "WebIntents Addendum - Local Services" draft at http://w3c-test.org/dap/wi-addendum-local-services/ 14:47:50 fjh: and also review the updated "Networked Service Discovery and Messaging" draft see, http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/dap/raw-file/tip/discovery-api/Overview.html 14:47:55 Topic: Adjourn 14:48:01 rrsagent, generate minutes 14:48:01 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/09/26-dap-minutes.html fjh 14:49:43 s/cancelations/cancellations/ 14:50:18 s/extent/extend/ 14:50:44 s/extent/extend/g 14:52:49 tobie has joined #dap 14:52:51 rrsagent, generate minutes 14:52:51 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/09/26-dap-minutes.html fjh 14:53:00 -fjh 14:53:01 UW_DAP()10:00AM has ended 14:53:01 Attendees were ccourtney, fjh, gmandyam, Jungkee, +46.1.08.01.aaaa, Claes, nwidell, Cathy, +1.781.266.aabb, Clarke 14:53:02 slightlyoff has joined #dap 14:57:11 s/+q// 15:01:32 s|s/medai/media/|| 15:02:45 s/before 15 October before fee increase/by date registration closes, 16 October, to avoid fee increase/ 15:03:35 s/which we may not want to provide/, but we may not want to publish as a deliverable/ 15:03:52 sicking has joined #dap 15:04:06 s/history to/history to avoid making same mistakes elsewhere/ 15:05:16 s/Topic: Other Business/Pending Actions/ 15:05:20 s|s/Other Business/Pending Actions/|| 15:05:57 s/note noted./Topic: Other Business, none noted/ 15:06:01 rrsagent generate minutes 15:06:43 slightlyoff has joined #dap 15:07:31 tobie has joined #dap 15:10:37 s/: rrsagent generate minutes// 15:10:49 s/rrsagent generate minutes// 15:10:55 rrsagent, generate minutes 15:10:55 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/09/26-dap-minutes.html fjh 15:19:02 rrsagent, generate minutes 15:19:02 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/09/26-dap-minutes.html fjh 15:46:39 darobin has joined #dap 16:26:23 sicking has joined #dap 16:41:15 Zakim has left #dap 17:59:03 sicking has joined #dap 20:13:03 sicking has joined #dap 22:35:45 richt_ has joined #dap 23:48:49 sicking has joined #dap