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14:05:47 <Judy> zakim, who's here?
14:05:47 <Zakim> sorry, Judy, I don't know what conference this is
14:05:52 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, Judy, greggvanderheiden, alex_, korn, Mike, Kiran_Kaja, MaryJo, MichaelC, trackbot
14:06:17 <greggvanderheiden> zakim, greggvanderheiden is gregg
14:06:17 <Zakim> sorry, greggvanderheiden, I do not recognize a party named 'greggvanderheiden'
14:06:59 <MaryJo> scribe: MaryJo
14:07:18 <Mike> agenda+ Proposal from Gregg of how to process comments on July 27, 2012 WCGA2ICT Working Draft [2]  agenda+ Survey on Review Process [3] agenda+ Decisions on how to proceed with comment processing agenda+ Survey on 3.2.3 Consistent Navigation [4 ] agenda+ Glossary - Part 4 Survey - "supplemental content" [5 ] agenda+ Action Items, beginning with ACTION-44 [ 6]
14:07:59 <Judy> zakim, this is WAI_(WCAG2ICT)
14:07:59 <Zakim> ok, Judy; that matches WAI_(WCAG2ICT)10:00AM
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14:08:27 <Judy> zakim, drop item 1
14:08:27 <Zakim> agendum 1, Proposal from Gregg of how to process comments on July 27, 2012 WCGA2ICT Working Draft [2]  agenda+ Survey on Review Process [3] agenda+ Decisions on how to proceed with
14:08:30 <Zakim> ... comment processing agenda+ Survey on 3.2.3 Consistent Navigation [4 ] agenda+ Glossary - Part 4 Survey - "supplemental content" [5 ] agenda+ Action Items, beginning with
14:08:30 <Zakim> ... ACTION-44, dropped
14:08:37 <Zakim> +??P27
14:08:51 <janina> zakim, ??P27 is Janina_Sajka
14:08:51 <Zakim> +Janina_Sajka; got it
14:08:57 <Judy> agenda+ Proposal from Gregg of how to process comments on July 27, 2012 WCGA2ICT Working Draft [2]
14:08:57 <Judy> agenda+ Assigning people to process comments – Volunteers extremely welcome!
14:08:57 <Judy> agenda+ Survey on 3.2.3 Consistent Navigation [3]
14:08:57 <Judy> agenda+ Glossary - Part 4 Survey – “supplemental content” [4]
14:08:57 <Judy> agenda+ Action Items, beginning with ACTION-44 [5]
14:08:58 <Judy> agenda+ Confirm next meeting time; action items;
14:09:20 <Judy> chair: Mike_Pluke
14:09:26 <Judy> zakim, who's on the phone?
14:09:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see [Microsoft], Mary_Jo_Mueller, +1.608.514.aaaa, ??P9, +0162859aabb, [Oracle], Judy, Janina_Sajka
14:09:40 <korn> Zakim, Oracle has Peter_Korn
14:09:40 <Zakim> +Peter_Korn; got it
14:10:05 <alex_> Zakim, Microsoft has alex
14:10:05 <Zakim> +alex; got it
14:10:57 <greggvanderheiden> zakim, +1.608 is Gregg
14:10:57 <Zakim> +Gregg; got it
14:11:23 <Mike> zakim ??P9 is Mike
14:11:42 <Kiran_Kaja> Zakim, +01628 is Kiran_Kaja
14:11:42 <Zakim> +Kiran_Kaja; got it
14:12:09 <Mike> zakim, ??P9 is Mike
14:12:09 <Zakim> +Mike; got it
14:12:20 <Mike> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/20120911/results
14:12:38 <Judy> zakim, take up next item
14:12:38 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Proposal from Gregg of how to process comments on July 27, 2012 WCGA2ICT Working Draft" taken up [from 2]
14:12:42 <Judy> https://sites.google.com/site/wcag2ict/review-process
14:14:38 <MaryJo> The URL above is the first page, with 2 additional detailed pages that give details of the process.
14:15:02 <MaryJo> s/additional detailed pages/additional pages/
14:15:51 <korn> q+
14:16:20 <MaryJo> This is the process that has worked in the past.  Need volunteers for entering comments and for drafting responses. Entering comments is an easier job.
14:17:14 <Mike> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag2ict-comments/
14:17:38 <Mike> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-comments-wcag20/ 
14:18:37 <Zakim> -Kiran_Kaja
14:19:41 <greggvanderheiden> 11 from olaf    
14:19:47 <greggvanderheiden> 11 from duff 
14:19:56 <greggvanderheiden> plus 9 more from duff
14:20:30 <MaryJo> In the wcag2ict comments there are 14 messages. Two comments have come in that have background in kiosks.
14:20:32 <alex_> closed functionality is still in the list of outstanding issues
14:20:40 <greggvanderheiden> plus 1 from neil
14:22:11 <MaryJo> There is one from Neil from the other wcag20 comments list.
14:23:02 <MaryJo> We should not be responding directly to comments on the list because these responses are posted on this public list. 
14:25:21 <Judy> q+
14:25:37 <Judy> q+ to comment on when groups take comments
14:25:48 <korn> q-
14:26:20 <MaryJo> Deadline for comments was Friday 7 Sept.  We answer the comments that were on time first. 
14:27:08 <MaryJo> We'll try to close them out.  If comments come a day or so late, they will be entered in with the on-time comments.
14:29:13 <MaryJo> Anything that is much later will have to be handled on a case-by-case basis, as we might have a newer public draft already.
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14:30:15 <Zakim> +Kiran_Kaja
14:30:21 <MaryJo> zakim, next item
14:30:21 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, MaryJo
14:30:50 <greggvanderheiden> q?
14:30:53 <greggvanderheiden> ack j
14:30:53 <Zakim> Judy, you wanted to comment on when groups take comments
14:31:01 <MaryJo> zakim, next item
14:31:01 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Assigning people to process comments – Volunteers extremely welcome!" taken up [from Judy]
14:31:32 <Mike> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/20120911/results
14:31:33 <greggvanderheiden> zakim, previous item
14:31:33 <Zakim> I don't understand 'previous item', greggvanderheiden
14:40:17 <MaryJo> There is a first pass review of draft answers by the editors to check if the response is ready for survey or not.  
14:41:33 <MaryJo> This is to prevent a lot of negative feedback which might be daunting to volunteers who draft the response.
14:44:53 <MaryJo> For the instructions for proposing an answer, Andi and Mike will have to work out who the answers should be assigned to.
14:46:27 <MaryJo> The deadline for the survey on these instructions will be extended so we can add comments as we start to work this process.
14:47:24 <MaryJo> Deadline will be extended to Friday 14 Sept.
14:49:31 <Judy> q+
14:50:41 <MaryJo> Volunteers to create issues from the comments: Mary Jo Mueller, Mike Pluke, Peter Korn (after a week or two)
14:51:02 <korn> Zakim, who is talking?
14:51:02 <Judy> zakim, mute me
14:51:02 <Zakim> Judy should now be muted
14:51:12 <Zakim> korn, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Mike (55%), Gregg (5%)
14:54:48 <MaryJo> zakim, next item
14:54:48 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, MaryJo
14:55:07 <Judy> q-
14:55:07 <greggvanderheiden> q?
14:55:10 <MaryJo> zakim, next item
14:55:10 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Survey on 3.2.3 Consistent Navigation" taken up [from 3]
14:55:28 <Mike> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/20120910/results
14:56:52 <korn> q+
14:58:44 <greggvanderheiden> q+
14:58:50 <greggvanderheiden> ack k
14:58:52 <Mike> q+
15:00:05 <MaryJo> The term 'navigational mechanisms' needs to be defined.
15:00:52 <korn> q+
15:02:16 <MaryJo> We should ask WCAG to create the definition.
15:03:27 <MaryJo> For application UI's, it is ok to add/remove items from toolbars, etc. The meaning of the SC is to keep the same relative order of the items in the toolbar. 
15:06:58 <Mike> q+
15:07:19 <greggvanderheiden> nav mech :  mechanisms that a person uses to move about in the entity (e.g. content, document, software) 
15:07:26 <greggvanderheiden> q-
15:07:29 <greggvanderheiden> q+
15:07:40 <greggvanderheiden> ack k
15:07:54 <greggvanderheiden> ack m
15:08:16 <MaryJo> We need to fully understand what this SC means in the software world and should have examples to demonstrate the meaning.
15:08:52 <korn> q+
15:08:59 <Kiran> q+
15:09:12 <Mike> q+
15:10:24 <Kiran> I was looking at Flash techniques and there is no technique for SC 3.2.3 http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20-TECHS/flash.html
15:10:57 <Kiran> And I think Flash is the thing that comes close to being software/web software.
15:11:12 <MaryJo> The next step is to define what does and does not constitute a navigational mechanism.
15:11:54 <MaryJo> We also need to agree upon some examples to get a group consensus on which are/are not navigational mechanism.
15:12:54 <Kiran> q-
15:13:04 <greggvanderheiden> q_
15:13:06 <korn> q-
15:13:07 <greggvanderheiden> q-
15:15:18 <greggvanderheiden> q+
15:15:22 <greggvanderheiden> ack m
15:15:54 <greggvanderheiden> nav mech :  mechanisms that a person uses to move about in the entity (e.g. content, document, software)
15:16:04 <korn> q+
15:18:55 <Mike> Navigating mechanism - something that helps you move from one "place" to another.
15:19:12 <MaryJo> Navigation within a UI control shouldn't be considered a 'navigational mechanism'. However if the control is used to navigate to other spots in the application, the control is used as a navigational mechanism and it might be repeated in various places.
15:19:26 <Mike> In the Web - from section to section - from page to page
15:20:34 <Judy> zakim, unmute me
15:20:34 <Zakim> Judy should no longer be muted
15:21:05 <greggvanderheiden> q+
15:21:20 <korn> q-
15:21:37 <MaryJo> Perhaps we should have some examples that describe both what is or is not a navigational mechanism.  What about a dialog box would be a navigational mechanism: OK, close buttons vs Escape key, etc.
15:21:43 <Mike> q+
15:22:47 <korn> q+
15:24:20 <janina> +1 to gv
15:24:40 <MaryJo> As an example, this SC was meant to cover placement of the navigation menus (top or side or bottom - keeping placement consistent), and relative order of items in the menus being consistent.
15:25:09 <MaryJo> We will have to continue this discussion via email.
15:26:45 <MaryJo> Gregg will capture Mike's suggestion for an update into a proposal in the wiki.
15:27:57 <MaryJo> Peter and Kiran will help come up with some examples for us to survey, as well as some notes.
15:29:50 <MaryJo> zakim, next item
15:29:50 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, MaryJo
15:30:02 <korn> q-
15:30:13 <korn> ack Mike
15:30:28 <MaryJo> ack g
15:30:33 <MaryJo> zakim, next item
15:30:33 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Glossary - Part 4 Survey – “supplemental content”" taken up [from 4]
15:30:58 <Zakim> -Gregg
15:31:25 <greggvanderheiden> kicked off and can't log back in
15:31:27 <Mike> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/GLOSSARY4/results#xq10
15:31:38 <greggvanderheiden> zakim says closed
15:32:01 <MaryJo> This definition will be left on hold.
15:32:38 <MaryJo> zakim, next item
15:32:38 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Action Items, beginning with ACTION-44" taken up [from 5]
15:32:48 <MaryJo> Not discussed.
15:32:53 <Zakim> -Janina_Sajka
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15:32:56 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
15:32:57 <Zakim> -Judy
15:32:58 <Zakim> -Mary_Jo_Mueller
15:32:59 <Zakim> -Kiran_Kaja
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15:33:09 <Zakim> -Mike
15:33:45 <MaryJo> zakim, next item
15:33:45 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Confirm next meeting time; action items;" taken up [from Judy]
15:35:50 <Zakim> -[Oracle]
15:35:52 <Zakim> WAI_(WCAG2ICT)10:00AM has ended
15:35:52 <Zakim> Attendees were Mary_Jo_Mueller, +1.608.514.aaaa, +0162859aabb, Judy, Janina_Sajka, Peter_Korn, alex, Gregg, Kiran_Kaja, Mike
16:02:20 <MaryJo> zakim, make minutes
16:02:20 <Zakim> I don't understand 'make minutes', MaryJo
16:02:40 <MaryJo> rrsagent, make minutes
16:02:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/09/11-wcag2ict-minutes.html MaryJo
16:03:31 <MaryJo> zakim, bye
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18:17:01 <MaryJo> rrsagent, make minutes
18:17:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/09/11-wcag2ict-minutes.html MaryJo
18:46:29 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make log world
18:46:33 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
18:46:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/09/11-wcag2ict-minutes.html MichaelC
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