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14:01:20 <Alan> zakim, this is TPAC
14:01:20 <Zakim> Alan, I see Team_Comm(TPAC)10:00AM in the schedule but not yet started.  Perhaps you mean "this will be TPAC".
14:01:37 <Alan> zakim, thsi will be TPAC
14:01:37 <Zakim> I don't understand 'thsi will be TPAC', Alan
14:01:43 <Alan> zakim, this will be TPAC
14:01:45 <Zakim> ok, Alan, I see Team_Comm(TPAC)10:00AM already started
14:01:54 <Alan> zakim, call alan-mobile
14:01:54 <Zakim> ok, Alan; the call is being made
14:01:55 <Zakim> +Alan
14:01:56 <marie> zakim, dial mcf-617
14:01:56 <Zakim> ok, marie; the call is being made
14:01:58 <Zakim> +Mcf
14:02:12 <tidoust> zakim, who is on the call?
14:02:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P15, Alan, Mcf
14:02:16 <marie> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:02:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P15, Alan, Mcf
14:02:17 <tidoust> zakim, ??P15 is me
14:02:17 <Zakim> +tidoust; got it
14:02:34 <tidoust> zakim, mute me
14:02:34 <Zakim> tidoust should now be muted
14:02:47 <Zakim> +Ian
14:03:02 <Ian> rrsagent, pointer?
14:03:02 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2012/09/07-tpac-irc#T14-03-02
14:03:07 <Ian> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-techplenary/2012Sep/0003.html
14:03:09 <Ian> regrets: Jeff
14:03:11 <Ian> zakim, who's here?
14:03:11 <Zakim> On the phone I see tidoust (muted), Alan (muted), Mcf, Ian
14:04:23 <jeff> jeff has joined #tpac
14:05:55 <Ian> topic:  Review proposed plenary agenda from Ian and Tantek
14:06:52 <Alan> "lianqi@fl.buaa.edu.cn" <lianqi@fl.buaa.edu.cn>
14:07:03 <marie> ian: issue are about variable time slots
14:08:51 <marie> 4h30' for breakout time
14:09:03 <marie> 1h for plenary session
14:10:04 <marie> flexibility in reporting
14:10:53 <marie> 7 rooms avail. and 4 slots = 28 sessions
14:11:28 <marie> PC should be empowered to pre-select topics and to get a quarter of avail. rooms
14:13:15 <marie> room logistics - 10mns travel time: http://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC2012-Planning#Room_logistics
14:13:23 <Ian> < 10mns travel
14:13:33 <marie> s/10mns/less than 10mns
14:13:45 <Ian> IJ: Any responses to this?
14:13:49 <Ian> :)
14:14:13 <marie> mcf: about LTs?
14:14:36 <marie> ij: about new and upcoming stuff
14:15:05 <Ian> marie: Will those LT slots be used to promote sessions?
14:16:11 <tidoust> q+
14:16:15 <tidoust> ack me
14:16:51 <Ian> francois: Thought it might be confusing to have LTs about upcoming and new work
14:17:04 <Ian> ..since the sessions may not be on those topics, but it could be useful to set the context for existing discussions
14:17:15 <Ian> ...might give a good overview of what people are talking about
14:17:19 <Ian> IJ: Jeff will cover ground, too
14:18:50 <marie> q+
14:18:55 <Alan> +1 to agenda proposal
14:18:59 <Ian> ack marie
14:19:03 <tidoust> zakim, mute me
14:19:03 <Zakim> tidoust should now be muted
14:20:20 <Alan> q+ to ask how many total session we have and are we pre-doing some?
14:21:06 <Ian> ack alan
14:21:07 <Zakim> Alan, you wanted to ask how many total session we have and are we pre-doing some?
14:22:03 <Ian> http://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC2012-Planning#Before_the_Plenary
14:26:48 <Alan> ack me
14:26:48 <Ian> IJ: Which BGs are meeting?
14:27:08 <Ian> Alan: broadcasters and signage bgs have requested space and are meeting during tpac
14:27:45 <marie> (BGs to do a LT?)
14:30:02 <Ian> q?
14:30:58 <Ian> IJ: Other thoughts on outreach? Getting sessions?
14:32:13 <Ian> MCF: Make available grid near registration so people see sessions and can start putting their own on Monday and Tuesday
14:33:21 <Ian> [poll]
14:33:28 <Ian> Any objections to uniform time slots of 1 hour?
14:33:44 <marie> please uniform
14:33:56 <Ian> Any support for uniform sessions (of 1 hour)?
14:33:59 <Ian> (Marie: Yes)
14:33:59 <Alan> +1 to uniforms - with lots of ribbons!
14:34:24 <Ian> Proposals:
14:34:25 <Ian> Number of pre-selected breakout sessions (proposed 7 of 28).
14:34:31 <Alan> +1
14:34:34 <Ian> MCF: +1
14:34:34 <marie> +1
14:35:01 <tidoust> +1
14:35:10 <jeff> +1
14:35:15 <Ian> Confirm reporting suggestions (flexibility, 30-minute sharing slot)
14:35:32 <Alan> which is optional - correct?
14:35:38 <Alan> +1
14:35:45 <marie> and timed
14:37:32 <Ian> ac agenda -> https://www.w3.org/2012/10/TPAC/ac-agenda
14:43:36 <Ian> topic: good practices
14:43:37 <Ian> http://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC2012-Planning#Good_practice_for_session_chairs
14:45:08 <chaals> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:45:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/09/07-tpac-minutes.html chaals
14:45:49 <Ian> yes
14:46:09 <Alan> ack me
14:46:44 <Ian> http://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC2011
14:46:47 <Ian> http://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC2011#Session_Grid
14:47:14 <marie> q+
14:47:59 <chaals> rrsagent, make log public please
14:50:07 <chaals> [for the record I am happy with variable timing of sessions]
14:50:28 <Ian> no resolution yet on that...just asking for support or objections
14:50:32 <chaals> Meeting: TPAC program committee
14:50:35 <chaals> Chair: Ian
14:50:37 <Ian> Can live with uniform sessions?
14:50:42 <Ian> Can live with variable sessions?
14:50:44 <Ian> Prefer variable?
14:50:54 <chaals> Present+ marie_claire, Jeff, Alan, Francois
14:51:06 <chaals> [can live with either]
14:51:13 <Ian> [tx]
14:51:22 <chaals> present+ Chaals_late_IRConly
14:52:12 <Ian> topic: Use of public mailing list for prog committee comms
14:52:30 <Ian> Are you ok using public-techplenary for communications by default in this prog committee?
14:52:35 <tidoust> yes
14:52:41 <Ian> yes
14:53:03 <Alan> prefer member
14:53:06 <Ian> mcf: would rather use member-techplenary when we discuss things like topic selection
14:53:38 <Ian> Note: these particular minutes will be public unless there are objections.
14:53:55 <chaals> [Don't care]
14:54:14 <Alan> OK with these as public
14:54:24 <jeff> Ian?
14:54:26 <chaals> s/care/mind if the minutes are public or member - usual trade-off of transparency vs getting enough information on record to be useful applies/
14:54:47 <Ian> proposed: default to public mailing list. use member list for sensitive discussions. Same with minutes
14:54:56 <jeff> ok with me
14:54:57 <marie> +1
14:55:00 <Ian> RESOLVED
14:55:00 <Alan> +1
14:55:06 <Ian> topic: Next meeting
14:55:12 <Ian> proposed: 11am ET, Friday 14 Sep
14:55:42 <Alan> OK by me
14:55:42 <Ian> I see jeff has a tentative call then
14:55:53 <chaals> [Good practice - end sessions on time. Make sure there is time for summing up - so make people keep discussion short, and use something better than a long-winded explanation of how well the previous speaker expressed the point to say "+1"]
14:56:03 <Ian> chaals, can you edit directly?
14:56:49 <chaals> [sure, if people are happy with those - or with the idea that we should run the wiki in "open slather" mode]
14:57:41 <chaals> [I think 5 minutes for 100+ people to move from somewhere to somewhere 4 minutes away is underestimating the time required by about 5 minutes]
14:57:59 <tidoust> OK by me as well
14:58:00 <Ian> charles, ok with 14 sep at 11am ET?
14:58:18 <Ian> rrsagent, make minutes
14:58:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/09/07-tpac-minutes.html Ian
14:58:33 <chaals> [yep, WfM (I'll try to get the time shift right, too)]
14:58:36 <Alan> bye
14:58:41 <Zakim> -Ian
14:58:42 <Alan> zakim, drop me
14:58:42 <Zakim> -tidoust
14:58:42 <Zakim> Alan is being disconnected
14:58:44 <Zakim> -Alan
14:58:44 <Zakim> -Mcf
14:58:44 <Zakim> Team_Comm(TPAC)10:00AM has ended
14:58:44 <Zakim> Attendees were Alan, Mcf, tidoust, Ian
14:58:50 <Alan> Alan has left #tpac
14:59:00 <jeff> My 11AM on the 14th looks like a hard conflict
14:59:28 <Ian> ok
14:59:33 <Ian> we'll do the exercise of syncing up separately
15:00:32 <Ian> rrsagent, make minutes
15:00:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/09/07-tpac-minutes.html Ian
15:00:35 <Ian> rrsagent, set logs public
15:01:13 <Ian> Meeting: TPAC Program Committee
15:01:15 <Ian> rrsagent, make minutes
15:01:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/09/07-tpac-minutes.html Ian
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17:15:19 <Ian> rrsagent, bye
17:15:19 <RRSAgent> I see no action items