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13:59:24 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 2428
13:59:24 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_(WCAG2ICT)10:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
13:59:25 <trackbot> Meeting: WCAG2ICT Task Force Teleconference
13:59:27 <trackbot> Date: 04 September 2012
14:01:03 <greggvanderheiden> I can't seem to get in on zakim
14:01:04 <David> David has joined #wcag2ict
14:01:15 <greggvanderheiden> no answer…..
14:01:17 <Mike> Mike has joined #wcag2ict
14:01:22 <BBailey> i am having trouble too
14:01:30 <korn> korn has joined #wcag2ict
14:02:34 <David> hmmm.... W3C isn't answering .... will keep trying...
14:02:39 <greggvanderheiden> Is anyone able to dial in?
14:02:40 <MaryJo> I am having trouble dialing in this morning too
14:03:09 <alex> alex has joined #wcag2ict
14:03:15 <BBailey> just got an "an all circuits are busy now" message
14:03:26 <greggvanderheiden> if you like we can use my gotomeeting account 
14:03:28 <Judy> ...getting no ring... pinging ralph
14:03:36 <alex> the phone does not work for me either
14:03:39 <janina> janina has joined #wcag2ict
14:03:44 <Mike> I've tried dialling via XIP and phone and no luck
14:03:45 <greggvanderheiden> won't have all the ZAKIM  bits but
14:03:46 <MichaelC> System message that Zakim hascrashed
14:03:59 <MichaelC> hopefully they'll reboot it or something and it'll be back up soon
14:04:01 <greggvanderheiden> want to use my gotomeeting?
14:04:01 <David> OK.... that means we have consensus <jk>
14:04:14 <korn> Works for me Gregg.
14:04:29 <greggvanderheiden> we can come back here if things come back up 
14:04:46 <David> that's fine with me
14:05:00 <MichaelC> looks like Zakim might be back up soon
14:05:04 <greggvanderheiden> OK
14:05:52 <alex> i'm in
14:06:05 <Zakim> Zakim has joined #wcag2ict
14:06:09 <MichaelC> zakim, this is 2428
14:06:09 <Zakim> MichaelC, I see WAI_(WCAG2ICT)10:00AM in the schedule but not yet started.  Perhaps you mean "this will be 2428".
14:06:15 <MichaelC> zakim, this will be 2428
14:06:15 <Zakim> ok, MichaelC; I see WAI_(WCAG2ICT)10:00AM scheduled to start 6 minutes ago
14:06:21 <MichaelC> zakim, call cooper-mit
14:06:21 <Zakim> ok, MichaelC; the call is being made
14:06:29 <MichaelC> zakim, who's on the phone?
14:06:29 <Zakim> WAI_(WCAG2ICT)10:00AM has not yet started, MichaelC
14:06:30 <korn> I'm in asw well.
14:06:32 <Zakim> On IRC I see janina, alex, korn, Mike, David, RRSAgent, greggvanderheiden, Judy, MaryJo, BBailey, MichaelC, shadi_bbl, trackbot
14:06:46 <David> Test
14:06:50 <MichaelC> present+ Alex_Li
14:06:55 <MichaelC> present+ Janina_Sajka
14:07:01 <MichaelC> present+ Peter_Korn
14:07:08 <MichaelC> present+ David_MacDonald
14:07:16 <MichaelC> present+ Michael_Copoer
14:07:30 <David> zakim, mute me
14:07:30 <Zakim> sorry, David, I don't know what conference this is
14:07:39 <David> good zakim knows me
14:07:50 <MichaelC> present+ Mary_Jo_Mueller
14:07:54 <MichaelC> present+ Judy_Brewer
14:08:05 <MichaelC> present+ Gregg_Vanderheiden
14:08:11 <MichaelC> present+ Bruce_Bailey
14:08:28 <BBailey> kakim, Bruce_Bailey is BBailey
14:08:39 <BBailey> zakim, Bruce_Bailey is BBailey
14:08:39 <Zakim> sorry, BBailey, I do not recognize a party named 'Bruce_Bailey'
14:08:52 <BBailey> zakim, BBailey is Bruce_Bailey
14:08:52 <Zakim> sorry, BBailey, I do not recognize a party named 'BBailey'
14:09:04 <Mike> Is the Michael you referred to me - Mike Pluke
14:09:20 <MichaelC> present+ Mike_Pluke
14:09:34 <Mike> It seems as if nobody can hear me!!
14:09:41 <Zakim> WAI_(WCAG2ICT)10:00AM has now started
14:09:42 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
14:09:42 <Zakim> +??P6
14:09:44 <Zakim> +Cooper
14:09:47 <Zakim> +[Oracle]
14:09:51 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald
14:09:52 <MichaelC> zakim, Microsoft is Alex_Li
14:09:55 <Zakim> + +1.512.255.aaaa
14:09:57 <Zakim> +Bruce_Bailey
14:09:57 <korn> Zakim, Oracle has Peter_Korn
14:09:58 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P6 is Janina_Sajka
14:09:59 <Zakim> +Judy
14:10:01 <Zakim> +??P11
14:10:03 <Mike> Problem. I will try dialling in via phone
14:10:03 <Zakim> +??P16
14:10:04 <MichaelC> zakim, Oracle is Peter_Korn
14:10:10 <MichaelC> zakim, aaaa is Mary_Jo_Mueller
14:10:11 <Zakim> +Alex_Li; got it
14:10:21 <Zakim> +Peter_Korn; got it
14:10:25 <Zakim> +Janina_Sajka; got it
14:10:29 <Zakim> +Peter_Korn; got it
14:10:33 <Zakim> -??P11
14:10:35 <Zakim> +Mary_Jo_Mueller; got it
14:10:57 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P16 is Gregg_Vanderheident
14:11:01 <Zakim> +??P11
14:11:10 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P11 is Mike_Pluke
14:11:15 <Zakim> +Gregg_Vanderheident; got it
14:11:26 <Zakim> +Mike_Pluke; got it
14:11:34 <MichaelC> zakim, Gregg is Gregg_Vanderheiden
14:11:37 <Zakim> +Gregg_Vanderheiden; got it
14:11:37 <MaryJo> scribe: MaryJo
14:12:03 <MaryJo> zakim, next item
14:12:03 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
14:12:08 <MichaelC> present- Michael_Copoer
14:12:14 <MichaelC> present+ Michael_Cooper
14:12:20 <BBailey> zakim, bbailey is Bruce_Bailey
14:12:20 <Zakim> sorry, BBailey, I do not recognize a party named 'bbailey'
14:12:34 <BBailey> zakim, BBailey is Bruce_Bailey
14:12:34 <Zakim> sorry, BBailey, I do not recognize a party named 'BBailey'
14:12:43 <BBailey> zakim, Bruce_Bailey is BBailey
14:12:43 <Zakim> +BBailey; got it
14:13:03 <Judy> agenda+ Glossary - Part 1 "Correct reading sequence" [2]
14:13:03 <Judy> agenda+ Survey for September 4 Meeting [3]
14:13:03 <Judy> agenda+ Glossary - Part 3 Survey [4]
14:13:03 <Judy> agenda+ Glossary - Part 4 Survey [5]
14:13:03 <Judy> agenda+ Action Items, beginning with ACTION-44 [6]
14:13:04 <Judy> agenda+ Confirm next meeting time; action items;
14:13:24 <korn> URL: http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG/#correct-reading-sequencedef
14:13:26 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
14:13:26 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Glossary - Part 1 "Correct reading sequence"" taken up [from 2]
14:13:34 <MaryJo> zakim, next item
14:13:34 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, MaryJo
14:13:48 <korn> Only appears in 1.3.2 Meaningful Sequence
14:14:18 <MichaelC> q?
14:14:22 <MichaelC> q- ??P16
14:15:14 <korn> q+
14:15:26 <MaryJo> RESOLUTION: Definition of correct reading sequence as described in the Glossary terms Part 1 survey.
14:15:55 <MaryJo> zakim, next item
14:15:55 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, MaryJo
14:16:07 <MaryJo> q-
14:16:38 <Mike> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/2012SEP4/results
14:16:53 <korn> q-
14:17:06 <MaryJo> zakim, next item
14:17:06 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Survey for September 4 Meeting" taken up [from 3]
14:17:47 <korn> q+
14:19:20 <MaryJo> topic: Interpretation of 'content'
14:19:23 <korn> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/2012SEP4/results
14:20:26 <greggvanderheiden> q+
14:21:18 <korn> q+
14:21:24 <MaryJo> Proposal made to rearrange the words to make the definition clearer: "information and sensory experience, including structure, presentation, and interaction, to be communicated to the user"
14:22:19 <MaryJo> Another proposal to retain "by means of ICT" at the end of our definition of "electronic content".
14:22:42 <David> +1 on Peter
14:22:53 <korn> q-
14:23:08 <MaryJo> By retaining "by means of ICT" it will harmonize with verbiage used in EU M376.
14:24:34 <Mike> q+
14:25:20 <greggvanderheiden> ack m
14:25:59 <korn> q+
14:26:17 <MaryJo> Having 'by means of ICT' mirrors the WCAG usage of 'by the user agent'.
14:26:45 <greggvanderheiden> q+
14:27:45 <greggvanderheiden> ack g
14:29:55 <greggvanderheiden> q+
14:31:32 <korn> From WCAG 2.0: "information and sensory experience to be communicated to the user by means of a user agent, including code or markup that defines the content's structure, presentation, and interactions"
14:32:03 <korn> Proposal for WCAG2ICT: "information and sensory experience to be communicated to the user by means of ICT, including any structure, presentation, and interaction"
14:33:10 <greggvanderheiden> ack g
14:33:15 <greggvanderheiden> ack k
14:33:48 <MaryJo> RESOLUTION: Accept the interpretation of 'content' as updated in this meeting by Peter Korn posted above.
14:34:05 <MaryJo> topic: Master document
14:34:15 <MaryJo> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/2012SEP4/results#xq2
14:34:43 <greggvanderheiden> q+
14:34:54 <MaryJo> This is an example for SC 2.4.5.
14:36:37 <MaryJo> Discussion on the how a 'master document' is used in a set of documents.
14:37:48 <greggvanderheiden> q+
14:38:04 <MaryJo> The example isn't a typical use of a master document, which makes this example not optimal.
14:38:18 <alex> q+
14:38:28 <greggvanderheiden> ack g
14:38:38 <MaryJo> A better example will be developed.
14:39:31 <David> q+
14:39:38 <MaryJo> We want to have a real example.
14:39:39 <David> q-
14:40:07 <korn> q-
14:40:14 <korn> ack alex
14:43:20 <MaryJo> Something this group can look at and then we can describe it in words as an example for our work.
14:43:26 <BBailey> q+
14:46:53 <BBailey> http://www.regulations.gov/#!docketDetail;D=ATBCB-2010-0004
14:48:26 <BBailey> https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/current
14:50:13 <MaryJo> The above links are not good examples, doesn't meet the criteria for a set of documents.
14:52:40 <MaryJo> ACTION: greggvanderheiden Find some real-world examples of sets of documents for group to look at and revisit - 2012-09-07
14:52:40 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - greggvanderheiden
14:53:24 <janina> zakim, who's here?
14:53:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see Alex_Li, Janina_Sajka, Cooper, Peter_Korn, David_MacDonald, Mary_Jo_Mueller, BBailey, Judy, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Mike_Pluke
14:53:26 <Zakim> Peter_Korn has Peter_Korn
14:53:26 <Zakim> On IRC I see janina, alex, korn, Mike, David, RRSAgent, greggvanderheiden, MaryJo, BBailey, MichaelC, shadi_bbl, trackbot
14:53:32 <MaryJo> ACTION: gregg_vanderheiden Find some real-world examples of sets of documents for group to look at and revisit - 2012-09-07
14:53:32 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - gregg_vanderheiden
14:54:10 <MaryJo> Need to create an action: gregg_vanderheiden Find some real-world examples of sets of documents for group to look at and revisit - 2012-09-07
14:54:37 <MaryJo> zakim, next item
14:54:37 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, MaryJo
14:54:46 <korn> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/GLOSSARY3/results
14:54:54 <MaryJo> q
14:54:54 <korn> q-
14:55:05 <korn> ack BBailey
14:55:10 <MaryJo> zakim, next item
14:55:10 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Glossary - Part 3 Survey" taken up [from 4]
14:55:19 <Mike> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/GLOSSARY3/results
14:55:57 <MaryJo> topic: visually customized
14:56:01 <korn> q+
14:56:07 <MaryJo> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/GLOSSARY3/results#xq17
14:57:13 <korn> q-
14:58:01 <MaryJo> This agenda item is to continue our discussions of the Glossary - Part 3 survey.
14:58:41 <greggvanderheiden> here is an example  http://www.dbm.maryland.gov/agencies/Pages/ManagingResultsGuidebook.aspx
14:58:54 <MaryJo> This term only makes sense for 1.4.5.  Suggest that WCAG have a note that this term only applies to SC 1.4.5
14:59:58 <MaryJo> ACTION: Alex to Craft note for WCAG 2.0 to describe this term only applies to SC 1.4.5 - due 2012-09-07
14:59:58 <trackbot> Created ACTION-58 - Craft note for WCAG 2.0 to describe this term only applies to SC 1.4.5 [on Alex Li - due 2012-09-07].
15:00:13 <greggvanderheiden> q+
15:00:23 <greggvanderheiden> http://www.dbm.maryland.gov/agencies/Pages/ManagingResultsGuidebook.aspx
15:00:55 <MaryJo> RESOLUTION: Accept definition for visually customized as written.
15:04:59 <MaryJo> Topic: Return to 'set of documents' discussion
15:05:24 <Mike> q+
15:05:49 <MaryJo> For the example from the link above, it is difficult to tell if these documents are published at the same time.
15:07:01 <MaryJo> Having parts declared as 'part of a set' can be done by showing a document is a part by numbering parts within the set.
15:07:24 <MaryJo> The discussion will continue over email.
15:07:59 <MaryJo> topic: User agent
15:08:09 <MaryJo> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/GLOSSARY3/results#xq18
15:09:40 <MaryJo> Net of survey is that we need to ensure our interpretation of 'user agent' works in all places where it is used.
15:12:57 <MaryJo> ACTION: MaryJo to Create web page to show where 'user agent' is used for analysis of how well it works - Due 2012-09-07
15:12:57 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - MaryJo
15:13:23 <MaryJo> ACTION: Mary_Jo_Mueller to Create web page to show where 'user agent' is used for analysis of how well it works - Due 2012-09-07
15:13:23 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Mary_Jo_Mueller
15:13:25 <korn> q+
15:13:42 <greggvanderheiden> ack g
15:13:46 <greggvanderheiden> ack m
15:13:49 <MaryJo> Need to create action, Mary_Jo_Mueller to Create web page to show where 'user agent' is used for analysis of how well it works - Due 2012-09-07
15:13:51 <greggvanderheiden> ack k
15:14:57 <MaryJo> topic: mechanism
15:15:05 <MaryJo> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/GLOSSARY3/results#xq19
15:16:28 <korn> q+
15:16:33 <MaryJo> Some reviewers want to make sure 'user agent' interpretation is agreed upon to ensure it works in this definiiton.
15:16:49 <greggvanderheiden> q+
15:18:14 <greggvanderheiden> ack k
15:18:16 <greggvanderheiden> ack g
15:18:24 <MaryJo> proposal to accept this contingent on the analysis of the use of 'user agent' throughout.
15:19:59 <MaryJo> RESOLUTION: Accept definition of 'mechanism' as written.
15:20:54 <MaryJo> topic: viewport
15:21:09 <korn> q+
15:21:14 <MaryJo> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/GLOSSARY3/results#xq16
15:21:35 <MaryJo> Should ask WCAG group why this definition includes audio.
15:23:50 <MaryJo> In the abstract, audio make sense but where it is used, it is only for video.  This definition is only used in a Level AA success criteria.
15:24:02 <korn> q-
15:25:03 <MaryJo> Agreed to table this until we address SC 3.2.5.  Note was added to 3.2.5 in our wiki to revisit when we work on it.
15:26:24 <MaryJo> zakim, next item
15:26:24 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Glossary - Part 4 Survey" taken up [from 5]
15:26:35 <MaryJo> This topic will be covered in our next meeting.
15:27:04 <MaryJo> zakim, close item 4
15:27:04 <Zakim> agendum 4, Glossary - Part 4 Survey, closed
15:27:05 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:27:05 <Zakim> 5. Action Items, beginning with ACTION-44 [from 6 via Judy]
15:27:11 <MaryJo> zakim, next item
15:27:11 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Action Items, beginning with ACTION-44" taken up [from 6]
15:27:21 <MaryJo> Not covered in this meeting.
15:27:26 <MaryJo> zakim, close item
15:27:26 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close item', MaryJo
15:27:39 <MaryJo> zakim, close item 5
15:27:39 <Zakim> agendum 5, Action Items, beginning with ACTION-44, closed
15:27:40 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
15:27:40 <Zakim> 6. Confirm next meeting time; action items; [from Judy]
15:27:45 <MaryJo> zakim, next item
15:27:45 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Confirm next meeting time; action items;" taken up [from Judy]
15:28:12 <MaryJo> Gregg will bring some examples of sets of documents for us to look at.
15:28:35 <MaryJo> Go over Glossary - Part 4 survey
15:31:07 <MaryJo> topic: Discussion on the process for handling comments to our WCAG2ICT draft document. 
15:31:47 <MaryJo> We'll need several people to help out drafting answers to each of the technical comments.
15:32:45 <MaryJo> Editorial comments will be quick and easy to handle.
15:33:27 <MaryJo> Michael can help with technical instructions on how to use the tool to separate out the technical comments and log them individually.
15:34:14 <MaryJo> We should go over instructions in an editor's call.
15:34:46 <Zakim> -BBailey
15:34:47 <Zakim> -Alex_Li
15:34:51 <Zakim> -Janina_Sajka
15:34:51 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald
15:34:53 <Zakim> -Judy
15:34:53 <Zakim> -Mary_Jo_Mueller
15:34:55 <Zakim> -Cooper
15:34:57 <Zakim> -Gregg_Vanderheiden
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15:35:53 <MaryJo> zakim, make minutes
15:35:53 <Zakim> I don't understand 'make minutes', MaryJo
15:36:02 <MaryJo> rrsagent, make minutes
15:36:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/09/04-wcag2ict-minutes.html MaryJo
15:36:55 <Zakim> -Peter_Korn
15:36:56 <Zakim> WAI_(WCAG2ICT)10:00AM has ended
15:36:56 <Zakim> Attendees were Cooper, David_MacDonald, +1.512.255.aaaa, Judy, Alex_Li, Peter_Korn, Janina_Sajka, Mary_Jo_Mueller, Gregg_Vanderheident, Mike_Pluke, Gregg_Vanderheiden, BBailey
15:41:46 <MaryJo> ACTION: maryjo to Create web page to show where 'user agent' is used for analysis of how well it works - Due 2012-09-07
15:41:46 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - maryjo
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18:43:36 <MichaelC> action: gregg to Find some real-world examples of sets of documents for group to look at and revisit - due 7 September
18:43:36 <trackbot> Created ACTION-59 - Find some real-world examples of sets of documents for group to look at and revisit [on Gregg Vanderheiden - due 2012-09-07].
18:44:06 <MichaelC> action: mueller to Create web page to show where 'user agent' is used for analysis of how well it works - Due 2012-09-07
18:44:07 <trackbot> Created ACTION-60 - Create web page to show where 'user agent' is used for analysis of how well it works [on Mary Jo Mueller - due 2012-09-07].