IRC log of html-media on 2012-09-04

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/09/04-html-media-irc

13:59:05 [trackbot]

RRSAgent, make logs public

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Zakim, this will be 63342

13:59:09 [Zakim]

I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot

13:59:11 [trackbot]

Meeting: HTML Media Task Force Teleconference

13:59:13 [trackbot]

Date: 04 September 2012

14:04:53 [matt]

zakim, dial matt-voip

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14:05:44 [matt]

zakim, dial matt-voip

14:05:44 [Zakim]

sorry, matt, I don't know what conference this is

14:05:51 [matt]

zakim, this will be 63342

14:05:51 [Zakim]

ok, matt; I see HTML_WG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 55 minutes

14:06:00 [matt]

zakim, dial matt-voip

14:06:00 [Zakim]

ok, matt; the call is being made

14:06:13 [matt]

zakim, drop me

14:06:13 [Zakim]

sorry, matt, I don't know what conference this is

14:06:19 [matt]

zakim, this will be 63342

14:06:19 [Zakim]

ok, matt; I see HTML_WG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 54 minutes

14:06:25 [matt]

zakim, drop matt

14:06:25 [Zakim]

sorry, matt, I don't know what conference this is

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14:57:10 [adrianba]

zakim, this is HTML_WG

14:57:10 [Zakim]

"HTML_WG" matches HTML_WG(HTMLT)11:00AM, and HTML_WG()11:00AM, adrianba

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HTML_WG()11:00AM has now started

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+ +1.760.591.aaaa

14:58:04 [Zakim]

+ +1.650.458.aabb

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14:58:21 [Zakim]

+[Microsoft]

14:58:29 [adrianba]

zakim, [Microsoft] is me

14:58:29 [Zakim]

+adrianba; got it

14:58:30 [matt]

zakim, dial matt-voip

14:58:30 [Zakim]

ok, matt; the call is being made

14:58:31 [Zakim]

+Matt

14:58:44 [pal]

I am aabb

14:59:02 [pal]

zakim, I am aabb

14:59:02 [Zakim]

+pal; got it

14:59:15 [matt]

zakim, who is on the phone?

14:59:15 [Zakim]

On the phone I see +1.760.591.aaaa, pal, adrianba, Matt

14:59:17 [joesteele]

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14:59:40 [pladd]

Zakim, aaaa is me

14:59:40 [Zakim]

+pladd; got it

14:59:56 [Zakim]

+[Microsoft]

15:00:07 [paulc]

zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc

15:00:07 [Zakim]

+paulc; got it

15:00:10 [Zakim]

+ +1.415.867.aacc

15:00:17 [Zakim]

+ +1.925.984.aadd

15:00:35 [joesteele]

Zakim, aadd is joesteele

15:00:35 [Zakim]

+joesteele; got it

15:01:07 [Zakim]

+ +1.425.202.aaee

15:01:16 [Zakim]

+??P21

15:01:21 [Clarke]

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15:01:24 [matt]

zakim, who is on the phone?

15:01:32 [Zakim]

On the phone I see pladd, pal, adrianba, Matt, [Microsoft], +1.415.867.aacc, joesteele, +1.425.202.aaee, ??P21

15:01:36 [Zakim]

[Microsoft] has paulc

15:01:51 [ddorwin]

zakim, ??21 is me

15:01:51 [Zakim]

sorry, ddorwin, I do not recognize a party named '??21'

15:01:53 [Zakim]

-??P21

15:01:53 [Zakim]

+ +1.303.661.aaff

15:01:57 [paulc]

agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2012Aug/0049.html

15:02:04 [ddorwin]

zakim, ??P21 is me

15:02:04 [Zakim]

I already had ??P21 as Guest P21 26631, ddorwin

15:02:07 [paulc]

Zakim, list attendees

15:02:08 [Zakim]

As of this point the attendees have been +1.760.591.aaaa, +1.650.458.aabb, adrianba, Matt, pal, pladd, paulc, +1.415.867.aacc, +1.925.984.aadd, joesteele, +1.425.202.aaee,

15:02:08 [Zakim]

... +1.303.661.aaff

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15:02:30 [pal]

zakim, I am aabb

15:02:30 [Zakim]

sorry, pal, I do not see a party named 'aabb'

15:02:40 [Clarke]

zakim, aaff is me

15:02:41 [ddorwin]

zakim, aaee is me

15:02:42 [Zakim]

+Clarke; got it

15:02:42 [Zakim]

+ddorwin; got it

15:02:49 [pladd]

Zakim, who is on the phone

15:02:49 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'who is on the phone', pladd

15:02:53 [matt]

zakim, aabb is pal

15:02:53 [Zakim]

sorry, matt, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb'

15:02:54 [joesteele]

Zakim, aadd is joesteele

15:02:54 [Zakim]

sorry, joesteele, I do not recognize a party named 'aadd'

15:03:00 [pladd]

Zakim, who is on the phone?

15:03:00 [Zakim]

On the phone I see pladd, pal, adrianba, Matt, [Microsoft], +1.415.867.aacc, joesteele, ddorwin, Clarke

15:03:02 [Zakim]

[Microsoft] has paulc

15:03:09 [pal]

zakim, I am +1.650.458.aabb

15:03:09 [Zakim]

sorry, pal, I do not see a party named '+1.650.458.aabb'

15:03:14 [matt]

zakim, 1.650.458.aabb is pal

15:03:14 [Zakim]

sorry, matt, I do not recognize a party named '1.650.458.aabb'

15:03:18 [matt]

zakim, who is on the phone?

15:03:18 [Zakim]

On the phone I see pladd, pal, adrianba, Matt, [Microsoft], +1.415.867.aacc, joesteele, ddorwin, Clarke

15:03:20 [Zakim]

[Microsoft] has paulc

15:03:22 [adrianba]

zakim, aacc is markw

15:03:22 [Zakim]

+markw; got it

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15:03:52 [adrianba]

zakim, who is one the phone?

15:03:52 [Zakim]

I don't understand your question, adrianba.

15:03:56 [adrianba]

zakim, who is on the phone?

15:03:56 [Zakim]

On the phone I see pladd, pal, adrianba, Matt, [Microsoft], markw, joesteele, ddorwin, Clarke

15:03:59 [Zakim]

[Microsoft] has paulc

15:04:00 [Zakim]

+??P31

15:04:18 [BobLund]

63342#zakim, ??P31 is me

15:04:50 [matt]

zakim, who is on the phone?

15:04:50 [Zakim]

On the phone I see pladd, pal, adrianba, Matt, [Microsoft], markw, joesteele, ddorwin, Clarke, ??P31

15:04:52 [Zakim]

[Microsoft] has paulc

15:04:55 [ddorwin]

I am on IRC and listening, but I may not be able to speak.

15:04:58 [adrianba]

ScribeNick: adrianba

15:05:02 [Zakim]

+[Microsoft.a]

15:05:02 [adrianba]

Scribe: Adrian Bateman

15:05:07 [adrianba]

Chair: Paul Cotton

15:05:09 [ddorwin]

at FOMS

15:05:24 [ddorwin]

http://foms-workshop.org/foms2012

15:06:00 [adrianba]

TOPIC: Roll call, introductions and selection of scribe

15:06:05 [adrianba]

paulc: done

15:06:14 [adrianba]

TOPIC: Previous meeting minutes

15:06:20 [adrianba]

http://www.w3.org/2012/08/21-html-media-minutes.html

15:06:30 [adrianba]

paulc: no comments on the minutes

15:06:39 [adrianba]

Review of action items

15:06:43 [Zakim]

+Mark_Vickers

15:06:50 [adrianba]

paulc: all action items are on the agenda

15:06:55 [BobLund]

zakim, ??p31 is me

15:06:55 [Zakim]

+BobLund; got it

15:06:59 [adrianba]

TOPIC: Baseline documents and Bugzilla information

15:07:16 [adrianba]

paulc: most recent version is dated September 1

15:07:18 [adrianba]

http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/raw-file/tip/encrypted-media/encrypted-media.html

15:08:08 [paulc]

agenda for today: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2012Sep/0000.html

15:08:35 [adrianba]

Agenda: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/raw-file/tip/encrypted-media/encrypted-media.html

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15:08:49 [adrianba]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2012Sep/0000.html

15:09:03 [adrianba]

TOPIC: Action from the previous meeting

15:09:10 [johnsim]

zakim, who is on call

15:09:10 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'who is on call', johnsim

15:09:10 [adrianba]

ACTION-2?

15:09:10 [trackbot]

ACTION-2 -- Mark Watson to propose a resolution to bug 17673 -- due 2012-08-17 -- CLOSED

15:09:10 [trackbot]

http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/2

15:09:34 [adrianba]

paulc: mark pointed out that he'd done the action but the bug is not resolved

15:09:36 [adrianba]

q+

15:10:01 [adrianba]

johnsim: adrian and i discussed this - we need to propose text for this

15:10:05 [matt]

zakim, mute me

15:10:05 [Zakim]

Matt should now be muted

15:10:07 [adrianba]

paulc: this bug is assigned to you

15:10:33 [Zakim]

-[Microsoft]

15:10:35 [adrianba]

q-

15:10:45 [Zakim]

+ +1.858.677.aagg

15:11:12 [adrianba]

markw: a solutuion is proposed but we have to agree on the solution to resolve the bug

15:11:13 [Zakim]

+[Microsoft]

15:11:31 [adrianba]

s/solutuion/solution/

15:11:32 [paulc]

zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc

15:11:32 [Zakim]

+paulc; got it

15:11:52 [adrianba]

paulc: there are a fair number of bugs that have been assigned

15:12:15 [adrianba]

... should i have an action for john to propose text

15:12:17 [adrianba]

q+

15:12:29 [paulc]

ack adr

15:14:04 [adrianba]

adrianba: the editors looked at all the bugs and tried to assign them to the person for the next action

15:14:32 [adrianba]

... for some of them it is to write text into the spec for some it is to make progress on the list

15:14:50 [adrianba]

paulc: 17673 is for johnsim to propose text

15:15:11 [adrianba]

ACTION-3?

15:15:11 [trackbot]

ACTION-3 -- Adrian Bateman to propose resolution to bug 17682 -- due 2012-08-31 -- OPEN

15:15:11 [trackbot]

http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/3

15:15:24 [adrianba]

paulc: the deadline was last week - has this been done?

15:15:41 [adrianba]

johnsim: yes, this is assigned to me

15:16:12 [adrianba]

paulc: johnsim, can you give us a due date?

15:16:24 [adrianba]

johnsim: by the 11th

15:16:30 [adrianba]

ACTION-3 due sep 11

15:16:30 [trackbot]

ACTION-3 Propose resolution to bug 17682 due date now sep 11

15:16:37 [ddorwin]

re: ACTION-4, the WebM team is refining some things related to encryption. I will add text once that is done. I expect that to be complete by the 18th.

15:16:39 [adrianba]

ACTION-4?

15:16:39 [trackbot]

ACTION-4 -- David Dorwin to propose a solution for bug 17672 -- due 2012-09-04 -- OPEN

15:16:39 [trackbot]

http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/4

15:16:54 [adrianba]

paulc: this one is on david and due date extended to today

15:17:29 [paulc]

Proposal is in https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17672#c3

15:17:32 [adrianba]

... i believe this one is done - here is the link to the proposal

15:18:17 [ddorwin]

see above

15:18:26 [ddorwin]

repeating: re: ACTION-4, the WebM team is refining some things related to encryption. I will add text once that is done. I expect that to be complete by the 18th.

15:18:50 [adrianba]

ACTION-4 due sep 18

15:18:50 [trackbot]

ACTION-4 Propose a solution for bug 17672 due date now sep 18

15:18:59 [adrianba]

ACTION-5?

15:18:59 [trackbot]

ACTION-5 -- Mark Watson to follow-up on Key Release mail thread now that the OO changes have been made - discuss on next call -- due 2012-08-28 -- OPEN

15:18:59 [trackbot]

http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/5

15:19:30 [paulc]

Mark proposal in: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2012Sep/0003.html

15:19:34 [adrianba]

paulc: this is the proposal provided by mark watson

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15:19:48 [adrianba]

... this action is done and we have a mail thread

15:20:03 [adrianba]

close ACTION-5

15:20:04 [trackbot]

ACTION-5 Follow-up on Key Release mail thread now that the OO changes have been made - discuss on next call closed

15:20:11 [markw]

zakim, who is on the phone ?

15:20:11 [Zakim]

On the phone I see pladd, pal, adrianba, Matt (muted), markw, joesteele, ddorwin, Clarke, BobLund, [Microsoft.a], Mark_Vickers, +1.858.677.aagg, [Microsoft]

15:20:14 [adrianba]

TOPIC: Encrypted media extension bugs with dispositions

15:20:14 [Zakim]

[Microsoft] has paulc

15:20:33 [adrianba]

paulc: there are 12 bugs here

15:20:52 [adrianba]

... some are resolved fix, worksforme and a bunch won't fix and later

15:21:01 [adrianba]

... these bugs have all been updated in bugzilla

15:21:15 [adrianba]

... so anyone who added themselves to the cc list would have seen the dispositions

15:21:41 [adrianba]

... we could note these in the minutes and say that if they have any difficulties they should respond in bugzilla

15:22:00 [adrianba]

... bug 16748

15:22:00 [adrianba]

was resolved needsinfo - we could discuss that one

15:22:24 [adrianba]

pladd: i submitted that one and will respond in bugzilla

15:22:25 [johnsim]

zakim, who is on the phone?

15:22:25 [Zakim]

On the phone I see pladd, pal, adrianba, Matt (muted), markw, joesteele, ddorwin, Clarke, BobLund, [Microsoft.a], Mark_Vickers, +1.858.677.aagg, [Microsoft]

15:22:28 [Zakim]

[Microsoft] has paulc

15:22:44 [adrianba]

... i'm just requested a clarification - if the authors don't think it's useful i'm okay with that

15:22:53 [adrianba]

paulc: it would be good to acknowledge that

15:22:59 [adrianba]

pladd: will do

15:23:17 [adrianba]

paulc: there are a couple that were resolved LATER - this means there will be no changes here

15:23:33 [adrianba]

... i'm not hearing any calls to discuss any so i'm going to move on

15:23:44 [adrianba]

TOPIC: Unresolved Encrypted media extension bugs

15:23:56 [adrianba]

Outstanding bugs -> http://tinyurl.com/7tfambo

15:24:25 [adrianba]

paulc: all the bugs are assigned to somebody

15:25:06 [joesteele]

+joesteele

15:25:11 [joesteele]

+q

15:25:45 [adrianba]

adrianba: we think this list is actionable

15:26:03 [matt]

rrsagent,draft minutes

15:26:03 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/09/04-html-media-minutes.html matt

15:26:04 [matt]

rrsagent, draft minutes

15:26:04 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/09/04-html-media-minutes.html matt

15:26:05 [adrianba]

... action is to either write spec text or raise a mailing list discussion

15:26:12 [matt]

rrsagent, make logs public

15:26:12 [adrianba]

paulc: did you give yourselves a deadline

15:26:16 [matt]

rrsagent, draft minutes

15:26:16 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/09/04-html-media-minutes.html matt

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15:27:29 [adrianba]

adrianba: we didn't set a specific deadline but hoping to make enough progress by the next call to be able to review changes

15:27:46 [adrianba]

paulc: and be able to create another agenda item like agenda 6 today

15:28:06 [adrianba]

joesteele: is there a way to view the closed bugs?

15:28:37 [adrianba]

paulc: the media email list is set-up in the same way the html-wg list is

15:28:47 [adrianba]

... bugzilla sends new bugs to the mailing list

15:29:01 [adrianba]

... each time someone creates a new bug, an email is sent to the list

15:29:23 [adrianba]

... anytime anyone changes a bug there is an email sent but not to public-html-media

15:29:35 [adrianba]

... to avoid the mailing list drowning in every update

15:29:54 [adrianba]

... so any time you see a new message that you're interested in, click on the bug and add yourself to the cc list for the bug

15:29:56 [ddorwin]

@joesteele: Choose "Edit Search" to pick all Resolution status.

15:30:14 [adrianba]

... then if anyone makes a change, you'll see the email

15:31:10 [adrianba]

paulc: to answer the question, if you click on the link to the list of bugs

15:31:19 [adrianba]

... at the bottom, there is a link to Edit Search

15:31:26 [markw]

Is it public-html-wg-issue-tracking@w3.org ?

15:31:54 [adrianba]

... click on that and you can see the search form and the status field - you probably also want to select RESOLVED, VERIFIED, and CLOSED

15:32:05 [joesteele]

thanks -- that was the answer I was looking for

15:32:11 [adrianba]

... then you'll see the closed bugs

15:32:33 [adrianba]

zakim, who is noisy?

15:32:35 [Clarke]

Bob your not muted

15:32:41 [matt]

zakim, temporarily mute johnsim

15:32:41 [Zakim]

sorry, matt, I do not know which phone connection belongs to johnsim

15:32:46 [Zakim]

adrianba, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: joesteele (36%), BobLund (41%)

15:32:46 [matt]

zakim, who is on the phone?

15:32:48 [Zakim]

On the phone I see pladd, pal, adrianba, Matt (muted), markw, joesteele, ddorwin, Clarke, BobLund, [Microsoft.a], Mark_Vickers, +1.858.677.aagg, [Microsoft]

15:32:48 [Zakim]

[Microsoft] has paulc

15:32:51 [matt]

zakim, temporarily mute boblund

15:32:51 [Zakim]

BobLund should now be muted

15:33:07 [Zakim]

BobLund should now be unmuted again

15:33:09 [matt]

zakim, temporarily mute boblund

15:33:09 [Zakim]

BobLund should now be muted

15:33:24 [Zakim]

BobLund should now be unmuted again

15:33:27 [matt]

zakim, temporarily mute boblund

15:33:27 [Zakim]

BobLund should now be muted

15:33:34 [adrianba]

joesteele: if there is a bug resolved but i have a comment because i wasn't here should i file a new bug

15:33:42 [Zakim]

BobLund should now be unmuted again

15:33:49 [matt]

zakim, temporarily mute boblund

15:33:49 [Zakim]

BobLund should now be muted

15:34:00 [adrianba]

paulc: do you have one in mind?

15:34:04 [Zakim]

BobLund should now be unmuted again

15:34:08 [adrianba]

joesteele: 16552

15:34:14 [matt]

zakim, temporarily mute boblund

15:34:14 [Zakim]

BobLund should now be muted

15:34:30 [Zakim]

BobLund should now be unmuted again

15:34:31 [matt]

zakim, temporarily mute boblund

15:34:31 [Zakim]

BobLund should now be muted

15:34:38 [Zakim]

- +1.858.677.aagg

15:34:47 [Zakim]

BobLund should now be unmuted again

15:34:48 [adrianba]

paulc: this is resolved, won't fix - if you have a problem with that, you can add a comment and change the status field to REOPENED

15:34:50 [matt]

zakim, temporarily mute boblund

15:34:50 [Zakim]

BobLund should now be muted

15:34:56 [matt]

zakim, mute boblund for 60 seconds

15:34:57 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'mute boblund for 60 seconds', matt

15:35:05 [Zakim]

BobLund should now be unmuted again

15:35:38 [adrianba]

paulc: you should also send an explanation of why you're reopening the bug to the mailing list

15:36:08 [matt]

zakim, unmute me

15:36:08 [Zakim]

Matt should no longer be muted

15:36:43 [adrianba]

paulc: people need to use this agenda to go back and look at the resolved bugs and see if there are any they don't agree with or just need a confirmation that the solution is okay

15:36:46 [adrianba]

TOPIC: Other Business

15:36:51 [adrianba]

paulc: none heard

15:36:58 [adrianba]

TOPIC: Chair and Scribe for next meeting

15:37:18 [adrianba]

paulc: i'll be able to chair - volunteers for scribe for sep 18?

15:37:30 [adrianba]

joesteele: i will do that

15:37:32 [Zakim]

-BobLund

15:37:36 [adrianba]

TOPIC: Adjournment

15:37:42 [Zakim]

-pladd

15:37:54 [adrianba]

paulc: we're adjourned - will give time back to the editors to resolve more bugs

15:38:00 [adrianba]

rrsagent, make minutes

15:38:00 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/09/04-html-media-minutes.html adrianba

15:38:09 [Zakim]

-[Microsoft]

15:38:11 [Zakim]

-[Microsoft.a]

15:38:12 [Zakim]

-ddorwin

15:38:12 [Zakim]

-Clarke

15:38:13 [Zakim]

-adrianba

15:38:14 [Zakim]

-joesteele

15:38:15 [Zakim]

-Mark_Vickers

15:38:16 [Zakim]

-Matt

15:38:18 [Zakim]

-pal

15:38:21 [Zakim]

-markw

15:38:23 [Zakim]

HTML_WG()11:00AM has ended

15:38:24 [Zakim]

Attendees were +1.760.591.aaaa, +1.650.458.aabb, adrianba, Matt, pal, pladd, paulc, +1.415.867.aacc, +1.925.984.aadd, joesteele, +1.425.202.aaee, +1.303.661.aaff, Clarke, ddorwin,

15:38:27 [Zakim]

... markw, Mark_Vickers, BobLund, +1.858.677.aagg

15:38:30 [adrianba]

rrsagent, make minutes

15:38:30 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/09/04-html-media-minutes.html adrianba

15:39:30 [adrianba]

s/paulc: i believe this one is done - here is the link to the proposal//

15:39:32 [adrianba]

rrsagent, make minutes

15:39:32 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/09/04-html-media-minutes.html adrianba

15:41:00 [adrianba]

s/... i believe this one is done - here is the link to the proposal//

15:41:03 [adrianba]

rrsagent, make minutes

15:41:03 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/09/04-html-media-minutes.html adrianba

15:42:36 [adrianba]

s|s/paulc: i believe this one is done - here is the link to the proposal//||

15:42:38 [adrianba]

rrsagent, make minutes

15:42:38 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/09/04-html-media-minutes.html adrianba

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