IRC log of tt on 2012-08-30

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/08/30-tt-irc
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zakim, who's here?
14:02:28 [Zakim]
sorry, mmartin3, I don't know what conference this is
14:02:29 [Zakim]
On IRC I see pal, mmartin3, mike, sean, RRSAgent, Zakim, trackbot
14:03:22 [sean]
zakim, this is tt
14:03:24 [Zakim]
ok, sean; that matches SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM
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regrets for the call unfortunately
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stuck in other meetings
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Present
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Andrew_Kirkpatrick, mike, sean, pal, mmartin3
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zakim, AWK is Andrew_Kirkpatrick
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sorry, mmartin3, I do not recognize a party named 'AWK'
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Zakim, AWK is akirkpat2
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sorry, AWK, I do not recognize a party named 'AWK'
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Zakim, akirkpat2 is AWK
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sorry, AWK, I do not recognize a party named 'akirkpat2'
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I give up!
14:06:09 [AWK]
Zakim, who is AWK?
14:06:10 [Zakim]
I don't understand your question, AWK.
14:06:25 [mmartin3]
Chair
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Sean Hayes
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First public working draft
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Topic: First Public Working Draft
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http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml10-sdp-us/Overview.html
14:07:59 [mmartin3]
mmartin3: Patent URI, fontFamily, HTML cleanup completed.
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sean: Explain new strings for fontFamily
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mmartin: Add TTML 1.0 Second Edition reference?
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sean: Add placeholder.
14:09:35 [mmartin3]
Create ACTION: Glenn add TTML 1.0 Second Edition reference.
14:10:08 [gfreed]
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mike: Handle Glenn's comments.
14:10:50 [mmartin3]
sean: Yes.
14:10:59 [mmartin3]
pal: FPWD is not final?
14:11:36 [pal]
is the scope of changes limited against a FPWD?
14:11:48 [mmartin3]
ACTION: Glenn add TTML 1.0 Second Edition reference.
14:11:48 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-89 - Add TTML 1.0 Second Edition reference. [on Glenn Adams - due 2012-09-06].
14:12:24 [mmartin3]
Resolved to move SDP-US to FPWD.
14:12:48 [mmartin3]
ACTION: Glenn move SDP-US to FPWD.
14:12:48 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-90 - Move SDP-US to FPWD. [on Glenn Adams - due 2012-09-06].
14:14:15 [mmartin3]
sean: Hold on resolution for one comment from Glenn? re: description on character edge.
14:14:44 [mmartin3]
ACTION: Monica Provide description for character edge.
14:14:44 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-91 - Provide description for character edge. [on Monica Martin - due 2012-09-06].
14:15:36 [mmartin3]
Topic: Change Proposal001
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http://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal001
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Modifications to set attribute to take a block of elements.
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sean: Modifications to set attribute to take a block of elements.
14:16:39 [pal]
http://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal002
14:17:46 [mmartin3]
Resolution: Accepted Change Proposal001 http://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal001
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ACTION: Glenn integrate http://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal001 to TTML 1.1.
14:18:13 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-92 - Integrate http://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal001 to TTML 1.1. [on Glenn Adams - due 2012-09-06].
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Topic: Change Proposal002
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sean: Extent and origin on p
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sean: Move to accept.
14:19:06 [mmartin3]
mike: Some questions.
14:19:23 [mmartin3]
mike: What is origin relative to?
14:19:35 [mmartin3]
sean: Root container (Glenn's change).
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mike: Can be outside of container?
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sean: Anonymous region.
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sean: Follow semantics.
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mike: TTML 1.0 is precise but difficult to follow path to using solution.
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Need more prose?
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mike: Specify anonymous region.
14:21:37 [mmartin3]
zakim, who is here?
14:21:37 [Zakim]
On the phone I see [Microsoft], mike, sean, pierre, andrew, Geoff_Freed
14:21:39 [Zakim]
On IRC I see gfreed, AWK, plh, pal, mmartin3, mike, sean, RRSAgent, Zakim, trackbot
14:22:34 [mmartin3]
sean: Will craft language to explain processing in an informative way.
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mike: Need to have normative rather than informative language.
14:24:17 [mmartin3]
sean: Normative is step 6. Add text.
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mike: Add definition of origin and extent?
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sean: Editor craft language 8.2.14
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mike: Describe intent particularly origin.
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sean: Add more text.
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pal: Agree with proposal but agree with Mike on more language.
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pal: Relative to region?
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sean: Glenn said original proposal was too complicated.
14:29:19 [mmartin3]
pal: Discuss positioning.
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sean: For simplicity, assume global coordinates not relative to the parent container.
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mike: Inherit region properties.
14:31:01 [mmartin3]
Add information to articulate this.
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pal: Agree.
14:31:57 [mmartin3]
pal: Background color associated with p?
14:31:59 [mmartin3]
sean: Yes.
14:32:51 [mmartin3]
sean: Will work on more normative propose about positioning.
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mike: Section 8
14:33:44 [mmartin3]
sean: Section 9.3.3 is normative and put more text in Section 8.
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pal: Asks about how to apply opacity to default region.
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pal: How to set opacity?
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sean: Should create information to handle this.
14:35:53 [mmartin3]
ACTION: Sean to do revisions to proposal http://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal002 that explains positionig.
14:35:53 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-93 - Do revisions to proposal http://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal002 that explains positionig. [on Sean Hayes - due 2012-09-06].
14:36:37 [mmartin3]
ACTION: Sean Do revisions to proposal that explains opacity.
14:36:37 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-94 - Do revisions to proposal that explains opacity. [on Sean Hayes - due 2012-09-06].
14:36:55 [mmartin3]
mike: How to animate region?
14:37:33 [mmartin3]
mike: Animate at head?
14:37:47 [mmartin3]
sean: Handled in proposal 1.
14:37:59 [mmartin3]
mike: What if apply to region or block?
14:38:28 [mmartin3]
sean: Addressed by Proposal 1.
14:39:53 [mmartin3]
awk: What happens if identify region and does specify the origin?
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sean: If no named region, everything goes to default. If you don't specify a region, text is pruned.
14:41:53 [mmartin3]
Won't work on some documents.
14:43:50 [mmartin3]
?ACTION-80
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ACTION-80?
14:44:01 [trackbot]
ACTION-80 -- Monica Martin to create statement of use case and regional naming on SDP -- due 2012-08-16 -- CLOSED
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http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/80
14:47:02 [mmartin3]
ISSUE-179?
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ISSUE-179 -- Interpreting the pixel measure -- raised
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http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/179
14:47:09 [mmartin3]
sean: Please review.
14:47:18 [mmartin3]
Topic: Meeting times best for Editor.
14:47:34 [mmartin3]
sean: Speak with Glenn.
14:47:44 [mmartin3]
sean: Pixel metric defined for XSL.
14:48:52 [mmartin3]
Doesn't mean device pixels but audio.
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mike: Question what knowledge is available for authoring?
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sean: We may be making conformance changes to address px measure.
14:53:21 [mmartin3]
sean: Remove reference to XSL pixel.
14:54:12 [mmartin3]
mike: Add language that if an author fails to put extent on root container, behavior is application defined.
14:54:51 [Zakim]
-Geoff_Freed
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-sean
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-mike
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-pierre
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-[Microsoft]
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scribe: mmartin3
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scribe mmartin3
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-andrew
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SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM has ended
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Attendees were [Microsoft], mike, sean, pierre, andrew, Geoff_Freed
15:00:55 [mmartin3]
close meeting
15:01:06 [mmartin3]
rrsagent, generate minutes
15:01:06 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/30-tt-minutes.html mmartin3
15:02:07 [mmartin3]
close this meeting
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trackbot, close meeting
15:02:21 [trackbot]
Sorry, mmartin3, I don't understand 'trackbot, close meeting'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
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trackbot, end meeting
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Zakim, list attendees
15:03:09 [Zakim]
sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
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RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:03:17 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/30-tt-minutes.html trackbot
15:03:18 [trackbot]
RRSAgent, bye
15:07:51 [mmartin3]
plh, are you here?
15:08:14 [plh]
in an other meeting
15:08:20 [plh]
but can kind of read here
15:09:04 [mmartin3]
ok.
15:09:29 [mmartin3]
I generated the minutes but had the order backwards to close the meeting. I am uncertain if it generated the actual minutes.
15:09:35 [mmartin3]
Getting better. :>
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thanks
15:10:24 [plh]
Meeting: TT Working Group
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Chair: Sean
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Regrets+ plh
15:10:36 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/30-tt-minutes.html plh
15:10:47 [mmartin3]
good we have minutes!
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Will review and decide if I need to do corrections.
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thanks
15:11:02 [plh]
welcome