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16:59:57 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WPWG
16:59:57 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
16:59:58 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Performance Working Group Teleconference
16:59:58 <trackbot> Date: 29 August 2012
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17:02:48 <plh> trackbot-ng, start telcon
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17:02:52 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WPWG
17:02:52 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
17:02:53 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Performance Working Group Teleconference
17:02:53 <trackbot> Date: 29 August 2012
17:02:58 <plh> zakim, this is per
17:02:58 <Zakim> ok, plh; that matches RWC_web-per()1:00PM
17:03:02 <Zakim> +Plh
17:03:20 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
17:03:23 <plh> zakim, aaaa is Alois
17:03:26 <Zakim> +Alois; got it
17:03:31 <JatinderMann> present+ Jatinder
17:03:35 <JatinderMann> present+ plh
17:03:38 <JatinderMann> present+ Karen
17:03:42 <JatinderMann> present+ Alois
17:06:53 <Zakim> + +1.650.253.aabb
17:07:15 <plh> zakim, aabb is Arvind
17:07:15 <Zakim> +Arvind; got it
17:07:15 <JatinderMann> present+ Arvind
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17:08:28 <JatinderMann> Topic: Navigation Timing 1 Update
17:08:35 <Zakim> +[Google]
17:08:55 <JatinderMann> plh: Review has ended yesterday, we have full support for Navigation Timing moving to PR. 
17:09:23 <Zakim> + +1.215.520.aacc
17:09:25 <JatinderMann> plh: Moving Navigation Timing to Recommended is still blocked on WebIDL, but I am looking to find a way to work around this.
17:09:57 <plh> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/33280/navtiming/results
17:10:05 <mtomlins> i
17:10:08 <mtomlins> hi
17:10:23 <JatinderMann> Arvind: We should look at ways to communicate this to other browser vendors. I believe Safari was waiting for the spec to reach PR before implementing.
17:11:02 <JatinderMann> plh: We are done with Navigation Timing.
17:11:11 <JatinderMann> Topic: Navigation Timing 2 Update
17:11:32 <JatinderMann> Arvind: I have added linkNegotiationStart and linkNegotiationEnd attributes based on feedback.
17:11:53 <JatinderMann> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webperf/raw-file/tip/specs/NavigationTiming2/Overview.html
17:13:24 <JatinderMann> Arvind: I also updated the diagram to include negotiate link to be after prompt for unload, however, I believe it can occur before app cache.
17:15:19 <JatinderMann> Arvind: It can occur before the redirect, or after the App Cache.
17:19:44 <mtomlins> I concur - link semantic may lead to confusion
17:21:17 <JatinderMann> Jatinder: We can put the nagotiate link in a seperate plane that stretches from after prompt for unload to before DNS, with a note that explains that based on different scenarios where this can occur.
17:21:46 <JatinderMann> Jatinder: Wasn't radioAwake more clear?
17:22:42 <mtomlins> suggest: netlinkNegotationStart and netlinkNegotiationEnd?
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17:26:37 <plh> q+
17:27:01 <plh> http://www.w3.org/wiki/Web_Performance/Charter#.40.40TODO
17:28:33 <mtomlins> I will volunteer myself for generating/facilitating more ideas - we have the WOPR event at Facebook next month
17:29:02 <mtomlins> http://performance-workshop.org/next_wopr.html
17:29:18 <JatinderMann> Arvind: We wanted to include awaking the computer as well. Let's think about the name some more and we can discuss on the mailing list.
17:29:23 <JatinderMann> Topic: Charter Updates
17:29:50 <JatinderMann> Jatinder: Seems like there is value in meeting F2F and discussing performance ideas.
17:31:03 <JatinderMann> plh: I was talking to Facebook recently and they wanted to bring ideas to the working group. I invited the mobile industry people to come and talk as well. We can setup a survey to come up with new ideas.
17:31:07 <JatinderMann> James: Do we have a list?
17:31:14 <JatinderMann> plh: We can keep a list of ideas.
17:31:36 <JatinderMann> Alois: I also know other people that might have ideas like webperftest.org.
17:31:54 <JatinderMann> Alois: I think there is value in getting ideas and then meeting in person to discuss in more detail.
17:32:16 <mtomlins> do you mean:  webpagetest.org?
17:32:37 <JatinderMann> Yes, apologies - webpagetest.org.
17:33:07 <mtomlins> ok
17:33:09 <JatinderMann> plh: I can setup a workshop that we can do online instead of F2F.
17:35:17 <JatinderMann> plh: We don't have a TPAC session for November.
17:36:53 <JatinderMann> Jatinder: I was hoping the F2F would be in California, as Google, Microsoft,Facebook and other potential parties.
17:37:49 <JatinderMann> Plh: A workshop is a conference like discussion. However, normal workshops take 8 weeks notice, so we may want to do a smaller workshop. What is the timeline?
17:38:38 <JatinderMann> Jatinder: I was hoping we can spend time in September gathering ideas, and meet F2F in October.
17:39:36 <JatinderMann> Jatinder: We can do the workshop for external folks and then meet the next day for a Working Group only F2F meeting for a scoping exercise.
17:41:01 <JatinderMann> Plh: Do we have a host?
17:41:16 <JatinderMann> Arvind: Google can host this one in California. What dates were we thinking?
17:41:27 <plh> http://testthewebforward.org/paris-2012.html
17:41:42 <JatinderMann> Arvind: What about October 18 - 19. Oct 18 for workshop and 19th for F2F.
17:42:33 <mtomlins> I have three different upcoming events that involve #webperf practices and tactical patterns...I can include a technical survey to gather ideas and funnel back to the WG
17:42:36 <JatinderMann> Plh: Arvind, in terms of logistics on your side, can you confirm the dates on your side?
17:44:31 <Zakim> -Arvind
17:44:32 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
17:44:34 <Zakim> -Alois
17:44:34 <Zakim> -[Google]
17:44:35 <Zakim> -Plh
17:44:37 <Zakim> - +1.215.520.aacc
17:44:38 <Zakim> RWC_web-per()1:00PM has ended
17:44:38 <Zakim> Attendees were +43.732.908.2aaaa, Plh, [Microsoft], Alois, +1.650.253.aabb, Arvind, [Google], +1.215.520.aacc
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20:05:45 <JatinderMann> rrsagent, generate minutes
20:05:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/29-webperf-minutes.html JatinderMann
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20:06:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/29-webperf-minutes.html JMann
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