IRC log of dap on 2012-08-29

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12:57:01 [RRSAgent]: RRSAgent has joined #dap
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12:57:03 [trackbot]: RRSAgent, make logs world
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12:57:05 [trackbot]: Zakim, this will be DAP
12:57:05 [Zakim]: I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
12:57:06 [trackbot]: Meeting: Device APIs Working Group Teleconference
12:57:06 [trackbot]: Date: 29 August 2012
13:07:30 [fjh]: zakim, this will be DAP
13:07:30 [Zakim]: ok, fjh; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 53 minutes
13:07:58 [fjh]: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0096.html
13:08:50 [fjh]: Chair: Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch
13:09:02 [fjh]: Present+ Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch
13:27:48 [fjh]: Regrets+ Claes_Nilsson
13:58:19 [Zakim]: UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started
13:58:25 [Zakim]: +??P11
13:58:31 [fjh]: zakim, ??P11 is me
13:58:31 [Zakim]: +fjh; got it
14:00:49 [Zakim]: +gmandyam
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14:01:10 [Zakim]: +Josh_Soref
14:01:19 [Josh_Soref]: scribe: Josh_Soref
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14:01:37 [Zakim]: +milan_patel
14:01:52 [gmandyam]: Hello from Giri Mandyam (Qualcomm Innovation Center), dialing in from (858) area code
14:02:01 [Zakim]: +??P15
14:02:08 [AnssiK]: zakim, ??P15 is me
14:02:08 [Zakim]: +AnssiK; got it
14:02:15 [AnssiK]: Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen
14:02:37 [Josh_Soref]: s/Hello from Giri Mandyam (Qualcomm Innovation Center), dialing in from (858) area code//
14:02:41 [Josh_Soref]: RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:02:41 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/29-dap-minutes.html Josh_Soref
14:03:22 [bryan]: bryan has joined #dap
14:03:41 [Zakim]: +??P16
14:03:51 [darobin]: Zakim, ??P16 is me
14:03:51 [Zakim]: +darobin; got it
14:03:56 [Jungkee]: Jungkee has joined #dap
14:04:07 [Jungkee]: Present+ Jungkee_Song
14:04:41 [Zakim]: +bryan
14:04:42 [bryan]: present+ Bryan_Sullivan
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14:05:08 [Zakim]: +Dsr
14:05:26 [fjh]: zakim, who is here?
14:05:26 [Zakim]: On the phone I see fjh, gmandyam, Josh_Soref, milan_patel, AnssiK, darobin, bryan, Dsr
14:05:29 [Zakim]: On IRC I see dsr, Jungkee, bryan, Milan_Patel, AnssiK, gmandyam, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, Paul_Kinlan, darobin, trackbot, mounir, Josh_Soref, richt, hiroto, slightlyoff, tobie, dom
14:05:41 [Zakim]: +darobin.a
14:05:51 [Zakim]: +Cathy
14:05:51 [fjh]: zakim, who is here?
14:05:52 [Zakim]: On the phone I see fjh, gmandyam, Josh_Soref, milan_patel, AnssiK, darobin, bryan, Dsr, darobin.a, Cathy
14:05:52 [Zakim]: On IRC I see dsr, Jungkee, bryan, Milan_Patel, AnssiK, gmandyam, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, Paul_Kinlan, darobin, trackbot, mounir, Josh_Soref, richt, hiroto, slightlyoff, tobie, dom
14:06:15 [Josh_Soref]: Zakim, mute darobin
14:06:15 [Zakim]: darobin should now be muted
14:06:16 [Zakim]: -Cathy
14:06:18 [Josh_Soref]: Zakim, unmute darobin
14:06:18 [Zakim]: darobin should no longer be muted
14:06:37 [Zakim]: +Cathy
14:06:39 [Josh_Soref]: Zakim, mute darobin.a
14:06:39 [Zakim]: darobin.a should now be muted
14:06:45 [Josh_Soref]: Zakim, unmute darobin.a
14:06:45 [Zakim]: darobin.a should no longer be muted
14:07:00 [darobin]: Zakim, darobin.a is not darobin
14:07:00 [Zakim]: I don't understand 'darobin.a is not darobin', darobin
14:07:23 [Josh_Soref]: Zakim, darobin.a is really unknown_caller_in_france
14:07:23 [Zakim]: +unknown_caller_in_france; got it
14:07:26 [Zakim]: -Dsr
14:07:33 [Zakim]: +Dsr
14:07:39 [Zakim]: -Dsr
14:07:55 [Zakim]: +Dsr
14:09:26 [fjh]: proposed RESOLUTION: The DAP WG thanks Robin Berjon for all his contributions to DAP
14:09:41 [richt_]: richt_ has joined #dap
14:09:50 [Josh_Soref]: i/proposed/Topic: Administrative/
14:09:57 [Josh_Soref]: RESOLUTION: The DAP WG thanks Robin Berjon for all his contributions to DAP
14:10:11 [fjh]: welcome to additional DAP members - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0069.html
14:10:35 [Josh_Soref]: Topic: Minutes Approval
14:10:38 [fjh]: Approve minutes from 22 August 2012
14:10:38 [fjh]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/att-0094/minutes-2012-08-22.html
14:10:41 [Zakim]: +richt_
14:10:52 [Josh_Soref]: RESOLUTION: Approve minutes from 22 August 2012
14:11:14 [Josh_Soref]: Topic: HTML Media Capture
14:11:21 [fjh]: Comments - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0045.html
14:11:32 [fjh]: proposed resolutions: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0074.html
14:12:20 [Josh_Soref]: AnssiK: i used the language inherited from HTML5 spec
14:12:28 [Josh_Soref]: ... which is why the spec is phrased in term of DOM
14:12:32 [Josh_Soref]: ... we could diverge from that
14:12:35 [fjh]: some additional suggestions I have - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0101.html
14:12:37 [Josh_Soref]: ... making it explicit in prose
14:12:50 [Josh_Soref]: ... i'll have to look around and see how other standalone specifications do it
14:12:57 [Josh_Soref]: fjh: you could look at other examples
14:13:34 [Josh_Soref]: AnssiK: i think we have other cases which address things like chaals's concerns
14:13:44 [fjh]: http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/camera/
14:13:59 [Cathy]: Cathy has joined #dap
14:14:04 [Josh_Soref]: i/inherited/fjh: chaals was concerned that you didn't know that you could have markup/
14:14:23 [Josh_Soref]: Zakim, who is making noise?
14:14:34 [Zakim]: Josh_Soref, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: fjh (51%), darobin (35%)
14:14:41 [Josh_Soref]: Zakim, mute darobin
14:14:41 [Zakim]: darobin should now be muted
14:14:54 [Josh_Soref]: Zakim, mute me
14:14:54 [Zakim]: Josh_Soref should now be muted
14:14:54 [fjh]: zakim, who is making noise?
14:14:56 [darobin]: Zakim, unmute me
14:14:56 [Zakim]: darobin should no longer be muted
14:15:05 [darobin]: zakim, who is making noise?
14:15:05 [Zakim]: fjh, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: AnssiK (33%)
14:15:20 [Zakim]: darobin, listening for 12 seconds I heard sound from the following: fjh (22%)
14:15:25 [Josh_Soref]: Zakim, drop AnssiK
14:15:25 [Zakim]: AnssiK is being disconnected
14:15:26 [Zakim]: -AnssiK
14:15:35 [darobin]: zakim, who is making noise?
14:15:40 [Zakim]: +??P15
14:15:41 [Josh_Soref]: Zakim, mute fjh
14:15:41 [Zakim]: fjh should now be muted
14:15:43 [Josh_Soref]: Zakim, who is on the call?
14:15:43 [Zakim]: On the phone I see fjh (muted), gmandyam, Josh_Soref (muted), milan_patel, darobin, bryan, Dsr, unknown_caller_in_france, Cathy, richt_, ??P15
14:15:46 [Zakim]: darobin, listening for 11 seconds I could not identify any sounds
14:15:47 [Josh_Soref]: Zakim, mute richt_
14:15:48 [Zakim]: richt_ should now be muted
14:15:51 [Josh_Soref]: Zakim, mute gmandyam
14:15:51 [Zakim]: gmandyam should now be muted
14:15:55 [Josh_Soref]: Zakim, mute bryan
14:15:55 [Zakim]: bryan should now be muted
14:15:56 [Jungkee]: well, I'm trying to call again
14:15:59 [Josh_Soref]: Zakim, mute Jungkee
14:15:59 [Zakim]: sorry, Josh_Soref, I do not know which phone connection belongs to Jungkee
14:16:02 [Zakim]: -??P15
14:16:03 [Josh_Soref]: Zakim, mute Jungkee_Song
14:16:04 [Zakim]: sorry, Josh_Soref, I do not know which phone connection belongs to Jungkee_Song
14:16:05 [Jungkee]: ??P15 might be me
14:16:10 [Josh_Soref]: Zakim, mute ??P15
14:16:10 [Zakim]: sorry, Josh_Soref, I do not know which phone connection belongs to ??P15
14:16:13 [Zakim]: -unknown_caller_in_france
14:16:19 [fjh]: unmute me
14:16:20 [Zakim]: + +358.504.86aaaa
14:16:24 [richt_]: zakim, unmute me
14:16:24 [Zakim]: richt_ should no longer be muted
14:16:24 [Josh_Soref]: Zakim, unmute fjh
14:16:25 [Zakim]: fjh should no longer be muted
14:16:25 [AnssiK]: zakim, aaaa is me
14:16:25 [Zakim]: +AnssiK; got it
14:16:44 [Zakim]: +??P18
14:16:53 [Jungkee]: Zakim, ??P18 is me
14:16:53 [Zakim]: +Jungkee; got it
14:16:58 [Josh_Soref]: Zakim, mute Jungkee
14:16:58 [Zakim]: Jungkee should now be muted
14:17:06 [Josh_Soref]: Zakim, who is on the call?
14:17:06 [Zakim]: On the phone I see fjh, gmandyam (muted), Josh_Soref (muted), milan_patel, darobin, bryan (muted), Dsr, Cathy, richt_, AnssiK, Jungkee (muted)
14:17:32 [Josh_Soref]: AnssiK: my approach was to inherit as much of the HTML5 prose as possible
14:17:37 [Josh_Soref]: ... to keep the spec as short as possible
14:17:39 [fjh]: http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/camera/
14:17:48 [Josh_Soref]: ... the expectation is that people reading this spec would be aware of the HTML5 spec
14:17:59 [Josh_Soref]: ... however, i can do whatever is needed to get this spec to LC
14:18:10 [Josh_Soref]: fjh: i have some feedback from dougt
14:18:40 [Josh_Soref]: AnssiK: i'll reply on the list addressing all the comments you have
14:19:17 [Josh_Soref]: fjh: we should enter responses into the LC tracker
14:19:22 [Josh_Soref]: AnssiK: what's the process here?
14:19:28 [Josh_Soref]: fjh: you can do things informally
14:19:35 [Josh_Soref]: ... for chaals and dougt
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14:19:40 [Josh_Soref]: ... you can do things informally
14:19:52 [Zakim]: +nwidell
14:19:54 [Josh_Soref]: ... otherwise, you can enter things in the LC tracker, and it does them automatically
14:20:41 [Josh_Soref]: Josh_Soref: I plan to respond to MC at some point
14:20:48 [Josh_Soref]: ... I was doing actions for Intents recently
14:20:55 [fjh]: action: fjh to enter HTML Media LC comment responses into LC tracker
14:20:55 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-571 - Enter HTML Media LC comment responses into LC tracker [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2012-09-05].
14:21:02 [Josh_Soref]: fjh: thanks AnssiK
14:21:17 [Josh_Soref]: topic: Ambient Temperature
14:21:21 [fjh]: CfC http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0065.html
14:21:24 [Josh_Soref]: fjh: we had a CfC on these
14:21:28 [Josh_Soref]: ... and i think the CfC has failed
14:21:31 [Josh_Soref]: ... with good reason
14:21:35 [Josh_Soref]: Zakim, unmute me
14:21:35 [Zakim]: Josh_Soref should no longer be muted
14:21:44 [fjh]: s/Temperature/Temperature and Humidity/
14:21:50 [Josh_Soref]: fjh: we could do a testharness, but it seems like a lot of work
14:21:52 [fjh]: arguments against on list, including questions of implementability.
14:21:56 [Josh_Soref]: ... it seems like we should figure it out
14:22:09 [fjh]: proposed RESOLUTION: move these specs in the home page Roadmap to 'Exploratory Work' section
14:22:12 [darobin]: +1
14:22:14 [Josh_Soref]: +1
14:22:20 [AnssiK]: +1
14:22:40 [Josh_Soref]: RESOLUTION: move these specs in the home page Roadmap to 'Exploratory Work' section
14:22:46 [Josh_Soref]: fjh: i'll do that
14:22:57 [fjh]: action: fjh to move specs in the home page Roadmap to 'Exploratory Work' section
14:22:58 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-572 - Move specs in the home page Roadmap to 'Exploratory Work' section [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2012-09-05].
14:22:59 [Josh_Soref]: dsr: if you could do that, that would be great
14:23:17 [Josh_Soref]: Topic: Network Service Discovery and Messaging
14:23:26 [Josh_Soref]: fjh: there's been comments from Cathy
14:23:31 [Josh_Soref]: Josh_Soref: richt_ is on the call
14:23:34 [fjh]: Additional comments http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0095.html (Cathy)
14:23:39 [Josh_Soref]: fjh: if there's anything that needs to be talked about
14:23:45 [Josh_Soref]: ... but i think you need to do more edits
14:23:51 [Josh_Soref]: richt_: i agree, but i have a backlog
14:23:57 [Josh_Soref]: ... i don't know i can do them this week
14:24:04 [Josh_Soref]: Cathy: it's just more work for richt_
14:24:37 [Josh_Soref]: richt_: i think the spec could use some restructuring
14:24:47 [Josh_Soref]: ... if we did this around UPnP state, i think that could address some concerns
14:24:51 [Josh_Soref]: Zakim, who is on the call?
14:24:51 [Zakim]: On the phone I see fjh, gmandyam (muted), Josh_Soref, milan_patel, darobin, bryan (muted), Dsr, Cathy, richt_, AnssiK, Jungkee (muted), nwidell
14:24:57 [Josh_Soref]: Topic: Network Information API
14:25:00 [fjh]: test suite proposal, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0078.html
14:25:04 [Josh_Soref]: fjh: i don't think we have mozilla people on the call
14:25:12 [Josh_Soref]: AnssiK: i'm going to start writing the test suite
14:25:17 [Josh_Soref]: ... the easy part is testing the IDL
14:25:25 [fjh]: need to figure out the test harness part, whether we can use work from Mozilla
14:25:27 [Josh_Soref]: ... the harder part is testing hardware interaction
14:25:45 [Josh_Soref]: ... i was aware mozilla had some intention to handle things more intelligently for battery
14:25:51 [Josh_Soref]: ... i'm open to suggestions/pointers
14:25:59 [Josh_Soref]: Zakim, q+ to talk about Cordova-Contacts
14:25:59 [Zakim]: I see Josh_Soref on the speaker queue
14:26:14 [Josh_Soref]: ... i think there are test suites that try to solve similar problems
14:26:29 [Josh_Soref]: ... there are test suites that require manual intervention (touch)
14:26:37 [Josh_Soref]: ... and CSS (visual inspection)
14:26:44 [Josh_Soref]: ... this is a call out for people, if you have ideas
14:26:57 [Josh_Soref]: ... i know darobin had ideas on how to make progress with vibration
14:27:04 [Josh_Soref]: ... making things separate runnable testcases
14:27:05 [fjh]: q?
14:27:11 [Josh_Soref]: ... which require a human
14:27:24 [Josh_Soref]: darobin: it's important to make manual tests separate from automated tests
14:27:32 [Josh_Soref]: ... so you can run the automated tests automatically
14:27:44 [Josh_Soref]: AnssiK: so we write the test cases that can be automated
14:27:57 [Josh_Soref]: ... and then make additional test cases that require manual interaction
14:28:12 [Josh_Soref]: ... i could take things from the vibration test suite
14:28:19 [Josh_Soref]: ... darobin did that half a year ago
14:28:26 [Josh_Soref]: ... darobin, are you happy with those?
14:28:37 [Josh_Soref]: darobin: i think overall, the style of the tests could be improved
14:28:41 [Josh_Soref]: Zakim, who is making noise?
14:28:45 [darobin]: http://darobin.github.com/test-harness-tutorial/docs/using-testharness.html
14:28:51 [Josh_Soref]: darobin: since then, i wrote a tutorial on using testharness
14:28:53 [Zakim]: Josh_Soref, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Josh_Soref (5%), AnssiK (71%)
14:29:01 [Josh_Soref]: Zakim, mute me
14:29:01 [Zakim]: Josh_Soref should now be muted
14:29:09 [Josh_Soref]: AnssiK: i read that, it's quite helpful
14:29:16 [Josh_Soref]: ... the best documentation written in English
14:29:30 [Josh_Soref]: darobin: if you pick up the vibration tests, and you have any questions, don't hesitate to ping me
14:29:41 [Josh_Soref]: AnssiK: i'm just looking to see if we have best practices
14:29:46 [Josh_Soref]: ... it seems we're making them
14:29:49 [Josh_Soref]: darobin: it's complicated
14:29:54 [Josh_Soref]: ... vibration tests are almost all manual
14:30:02 [Josh_Soref]: ... you need a human
14:30:11 [Josh_Soref]: Josh_Soref: you could have a camera watching the device :)
14:30:22 [Josh_Soref]: AnssiK: the mozilla guys were using an emulator
14:30:30 [fjh]: simulator
14:30:38 [Josh_Soref]: s/emulator/simulator/
14:30:53 [Josh_Soref]: darobin: you could try to use the accelerometer
14:30:56 [Josh_Soref]: ... to detect vibration
14:31:22 [Josh_Soref]: fjh: for battery, you need to use a simulator
14:31:26 [Josh_Soref]: ... otherwise you wait forever
14:31:35 [Josh_Soref]: AnssiK: for battery, you could use computationally complicated JS
14:31:43 [fjh]: q?
14:31:49 [Josh_Soref]: ... but it'd be hard/bad for full/empty/in between, plug in, unplug
14:31:55 [fjh]: ack Josh_Soref
14:31:55 [Josh_Soref]: ... thanks for the ideas
14:31:56 [Zakim]: Josh_Soref, you wanted to talk about Cordova-Contacts
14:32:30 [Josh_Soref]: fjh: AnssiK, will you contact the mozilla guys?
14:32:53 [Josh_Soref]: AnssiK: the mozilla guys are subscribed to the DAP list
14:32:59 [Josh_Soref]: ... but maybe i should ping them directly
14:33:16 [Josh_Soref]: Topic: Ambient Light
14:33:22 [Josh_Soref]: fjh: AnssiK, you're editing that
14:33:27 [Josh_Soref]: ... and we're waiting for implementation
14:33:30 [Josh_Soref]: ... is that right?
14:33:39 [Josh_Soref]: AnssiK: ambient is edited by dougt
14:33:47 [Josh_Soref]: ... dougt took proximity
14:33:55 [Josh_Soref]: ... it's the same spec, with the names changed
14:34:00 [Josh_Soref]: fjh: oh right, i got confused
14:34:08 [Josh_Soref]: AnssiK: we'll need to backport changes to proximity
14:34:11 [Josh_Soref]: ... if there are changed
14:34:16 [Josh_Soref]: fjh: there's been some proposals/discussions
14:34:23 [Josh_Soref]: ... that things should go into the ambient light spec
14:34:54 [Josh_Soref]: ... i think this spec needs edits
14:34:57 [Josh_Soref]: Topic: Proximity
14:35:41 [Josh_Soref]: s/Topic: Proximity//
14:35:52 [Josh_Soref]: fjh: i think there's an issue about Light Levels
14:35:55 [Josh_Soref]: Topic: Proximity
14:36:08 [Josh_Soref]: AnssiK: if there's a common issue between Ambient Light/Proximity
14:36:17 [Josh_Soref]: ... i'd like to fix them both at the same time
14:36:27 [Josh_Soref]: ... it's good to keep the specs separate for interop testing
14:36:31 [Josh_Soref]: ... and getting through the process
14:36:42 [Josh_Soref]: fjh: here we're dealing with testing?
14:37:22 [Josh_Soref]: ... darobin, you had an action here?
14:38:10 [Josh_Soref]: darobin: proximity is not a spec/test area where i had actions
14:38:23 [Josh_Soref]: ... i had actions for battery/vibration, which i did
14:38:32 [Josh_Soref]: fjh: AnssiK, you're working on proximity?
14:38:39 [Josh_Soref]: AnssiK: i have an action item for battery/vibration
14:38:45 [Josh_Soref]: ... then i'll look at the remaining specs
14:39:00 [Josh_Soref]: Topic: Web API Design Cookbook
14:39:07 [fjh]: http://darobin.github.com/api-design-cookbook/
14:39:11 [Josh_Soref]: fjh: we agreed on a previous call to publish a FPWD
14:39:19 [Josh_Soref]: ... darobin, you're working on that w/ Jungkee
14:39:24 [Josh_Soref]: darobin: i'll push it through the usual steps
14:39:35 [Josh_Soref]: ... i'll do that before the end of the week
14:39:39 [Josh_Soref]: ... tomorrow or tuesday
14:39:44 [gmandyam]: Will be dropping from IRC and continuing to listen on the phone
14:39:53 [Josh_Soref]: ... i probably won't be editing it very actively
14:40:03 [Josh_Soref]: ... we'll need a plan for it to go forward
14:40:09 [Josh_Soref]: fjh: this will be a note
14:40:19 [Josh_Soref]: darobin: sure, but there are parts that aren't finished
14:40:22 [Josh_Soref]: Topic: TPAC
14:40:30 [Josh_Soref]: fjh: meeting 1-2 Nov
14:40:32 [fjh]: Please complete WG questionnaire - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0043.html
14:40:43 [fjh]: Also remember to register for TPAC (separate from questionnaire) and make travel arrangements.
14:40:57 [fjh]: Please suggest agenda topics. Agenda wiki: http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/F2F_Agenda_1-2_November_TPAC_Lyon_France
14:41:07 [fjh]: WebIntents session during WebApps on Tue : http://www.w3.org/wiki/Webapps/TPAC2012Meeting#Agenda_Tuesday_October_30
14:41:40 [Josh_Soref]: AnssiK: what time are we planning to end the meeting on Friday?
14:41:45 [Josh_Soref]: ... i'll leave @2pm
14:41:49 [Josh_Soref]: fjh: it'll probably go beyond that
14:42:14 [Josh_Soref]: ... i'm expecting we'll have a good amount of discussion on web intents/web activities
14:42:22 [Josh_Soref]: ... and we'll have to work on day two
14:42:38 [Josh_Soref]: ... i'd prefer my specs be either friday morning, or on thursday
14:42:52 [Josh_Soref]: s/... i'd/AnssiK: i'd/
14:42:55 [Josh_Soref]: RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:42:55 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/29-dap-minutes.html Josh_Soref
14:43:22 [Josh_Soref]: Topic: WebIntents
14:43:31 [Josh_Soref]: fjh: there's a bunch of actions
14:43:39 [Josh_Soref]: ... darobin, not sure what the right way to do this is
14:43:46 [fjh]: ACTION-514?
14:43:46 [trackbot]: ACTION-514 -- Robin Berjon to talk to the Web Schema group about using schema.org nouns for Intents -- due 2012-07-18 -- OPEN
14:43:46 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/514
14:44:07 [Josh_Soref]: darobin: i think my actions are overtaken by
14:44:40 [Josh_Soref]: s/by/by "Events"/
14:45:06 [Josh_Soref]: darobin: for action-514, the idea was to talk to the webschema thing to see if that makes sense
14:45:15 [Josh_Soref]: ... i talked to Dan and he's interested
14:45:22 [Josh_Soref]: ... but we didn't see anything to do
14:45:23 [darobin]: s/"Events"/events"
14:45:28 [fjh]: ACTION-514 closed
14:45:28 [trackbot]: ACTION-514 Talk to the Web Schema group about using schema.org nouns for Intents closed
14:45:33 [darobin]: s/events"/events
14:45:34 [Josh_Soref]: Zakim, who is making noise?
14:45:38 [fjh]: ACTION-516?
14:45:38 [trackbot]: ACTION-516 -- Josh Soref to propose Security Considerations section on SSL for Intents sepc -- due 2012-07-18 -- OPEN
14:45:38 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/516
14:45:42 [darobin]: s/Dan/Dan Brickley/
14:45:46 [Zakim]: Josh_Soref, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: fjh (64%), darobin (77%)
14:45:46 [fjh]: ACTION-550?
14:45:46 [trackbot]: ACTION-550 -- James Hawkins to add event for on load to webintents spec -- due 2012-07-17 -- OPEN
14:45:46 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/550
14:45:57 [fjh]: ACTION-551?
14:45:57 [trackbot]: ACTION-551 -- James Hawkins to share proposal on list to handle dynamic insertion/removal etc of <intent> tags -- due 2012-07-17 -- OPEN
14:45:57 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/551
14:46:06 [Josh_Soref]: ACTION-516: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-intents/2012Aug/0049.html
14:46:06 [trackbot]: ACTION-516 Propose Security Considerations section on SSL for Intents sepc notes added
14:46:58 [Josh_Soref]: ACTION-516 close
14:47:05 [Josh_Soref]: s/ACTION-516 close//
14:47:09 [fjh]: ACTION-516 closed
14:47:09 [trackbot]: ACTION-516 Propose Security Considerations section on SSL for Intents sepc closed
14:47:42 [fjh]: ACTION-556?
14:47:42 [trackbot]: ACTION-556 -- Robin Berjon to set up test repository with example, docs, manifest generation for Web Intents -- due 2012-07-18 -- OPEN
14:47:42 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/556
14:48:11 [Josh_Soref]: darobin: i'll get around to it
14:48:16 [Josh_Soref]: fjh: thank you
14:48:33 [Josh_Soref]: Topic: Additional Actions
14:48:48 [Josh_Soref]: fjh: what intrigued me is a gUM action
14:49:02 [Josh_Soref]: ... i'm not sure why that's here, v. in MC
14:49:02 [fjh]: ACTION-558?
14:49:02 [trackbot]: ACTION-558 -- Robin Berjon to draft a proposal for stills capture for gUM -- due 2012-07-18 -- OPEN
14:49:02 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/558
14:49:23 [Josh_Soref]: Josh_Soref: the MC TF might not have a Tracker
14:49:37 [Josh_Soref]: darobin: i'll probably have to get around to this
14:49:54 [fjh]: ACTION-555?
14:49:54 [trackbot]: ACTION-555 -- Claes Nilsson to add mDNS adaption to the 'Web Intents Addendum - Local Services' specification for feature completion and before FPWD -- due 2012-08-15 -- PENDINGREVIEW
14:49:54 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/555
14:50:02 [fjh]: ACTION-555 closed
14:50:02 [trackbot]: ACTION-555 Add mDNS adaption to the 'Web Intents Addendum - Local Services' specification for feature completion and before FPWD closed
14:50:11 [fjh]: ACTION-569?
14:50:11 [trackbot]: ACTION-569 -- Frederick Hirsch to follow up regarding next steps for ambient light events on list -- due 2012-08-29 -- PENDINGREVIEW
14:50:11 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/569
14:50:16 [fjh]: ACTION-569 closed
14:50:16 [trackbot]: ACTION-569 Follow up regarding next steps for ambient light events on list closed
14:50:23 [fjh]: ACTION-570?
14:50:23 [trackbot]: ACTION-570 -- Frederick Hirsch to send CfC for WG to progress Ambient Temperature Events, Ambient Humidity Events drafts and publish FPWD of each -- due 2012-08-29 -- PENDINGREVIEW
14:50:23 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/570
14:50:30 [fjh]: ACTION-570 closed
14:50:30 [trackbot]: ACTION-570 Send CfC for WG to progress Ambient Temperature Events, Ambient Humidity Events drafts and publish FPWD of each closed
14:50:50 [Josh_Soref]: Topic: Contacts
14:51:27 [fjh]: josh_soref: contacts is discussed elsewhere, some implementation experience int that group
14:51:49 [fjh]: josh_soref: want to not always merge contact providers
14:52:04 [fjh]: josh_soref: thus want to do the way in WebIntents
14:52:30 [fjh]: fjh: what is actionable here?
14:52:58 [fjh]: josh_soref: nothing specific to do, but we are getting feedback here that our new approach is good
14:53:07 [AnssiK]: http://docs.phonegap.com/en/edge/cordova_contacts_contacts.md.html
14:54:38 [Josh_Soref]: http://callback.markmail.org/search/?q=#query:%20list%3Aorg.apache.incubator.callback-dev+page:1+state:facets
14:54:54 [fjh]: josh_soref: all of their mail is on one list
14:55:00 [Josh_Soref]: http://callback.markmail.org/search/?q=+list%3Aorg.apache.incubator.callback-dev+contacts
14:55:25 [fjh]: anssiK: what are they implementing
14:56:05 [AnssiK]: http://wiki.apache.org/cordova/RoadmapProjects
14:56:07 [fjh]: josh_soref: they implemented the original API and discovered issues with it, they seem to want to use new approach, but hard to tell them, not sure of their schedule
14:56:54 [Josh_Soref]: AnssiK: darobin, will you continue editing pick-contact intent spec?
14:56:57 [Josh_Soref]: darobin: i probably won't
14:57:01 [Josh_Soref]: ... i'll help if i can
14:57:10 [Josh_Soref]: ... it's up for grabs
14:57:17 [Josh_Soref]: AnssiK: richt_, what about you?
14:57:22 [Josh_Soref]: Zakim, who is making noise?
14:57:34 [Zakim]: Josh_Soref, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: darobin (26%), richt_ (35%), AnssiK (35%)
14:57:45 [Josh_Soref]: richt_: i agree with the changes
14:57:54 [Josh_Soref]: ... i'd like someone else to do day-to-day editing
14:57:59 [Josh_Soref]: ... it's a little down on my priority list
14:58:08 [Jungkee]: i would like to take on that
14:58:14 [Josh_Soref]: Josh_Soref: i should try to work on it
14:58:18 [Jungkee]: let me also look at it
14:58:32 [Josh_Soref]: fjh: Jungkee is also offering to edit
14:58:33 [Jungkee]: along with PIck Media Intent
14:58:40 [Josh_Soref]: Josh_Soref: i'm not going to proxy Mozilla/Cordova
14:58:46 [Josh_Soref]: ... i had that bad experience once
14:59:03 [Josh_Soref]: AnssiK: pick-contact hasn't been implemented, right?
14:59:16 [Zakim]: -gmandyam
14:59:31 [Josh_Soref]: Josh_Soref: i think we need someone to implement shims around major contact providers
14:59:31 [darobin]: make a shim built atop http://berjon.com/contacts-intent/
14:59:38 [fjh]: we should check with James on what is in progress and has been done
14:59:39 [Josh_Soref]: ... google/yahoo/facebook
15:00:02 [Josh_Soref]: AnssiK: which pick intent is the highest priority?
15:00:09 [Josh_Soref]: ... pick-media, pick-contact
15:00:19 [Josh_Soref]: fjh: i can check with james
15:00:40 [Josh_Soref]: darobin: i can probably release the code to my contact intents thing
15:00:40 [fjh]: action: fjh to check with James re implementations of Pick Media and Pick Contact, plans et
15:00:41 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-573 - Check with James re implementations of Pick Media and Pick Contact, plans et [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2012-09-05].
15:00:58 [Josh_Soref]: ... with a few tweaks, it ought to be relatively easy to interface with existing contacts systems
15:01:22 [Josh_Soref]: ... i have code somewhere on my harddrive to expose the OS X contacts system
15:02:22 [fjh]: Josh_Soref: can use cordova code to integrate with pick contacts in various systems
15:02:34 [fjh]: josh_soref: need interop with google, facebook and a couple of others
15:02:53 [fjh]: josh_soref: use cordova as a shim
15:03:30 [Josh_Soref]: s/shim/shim for native/
15:04:43 [fjh]: action: josh_soref to create facebook WebIntents Pick Contacts provider
15:04:43 [trackbot]: Sorry, couldn't find user - josh_soref
15:05:04 [fjh]: action: soref to create facebook WebIntents Pick Contacts provider
15:05:04 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-574 - Create facebook WebIntents Pick Contacts provider [on Josh Soref - due 2012-09-05].
15:05:36 [Zakim]: -bryan
15:06:14 [Josh_Soref]: Topic: AOB
15:06:55 [Josh_Soref]: fjh: thanks again darobin
15:06:57 [Josh_Soref]: Josh_Soref: +1
15:07:23 [Josh_Soref]: fjh: if you have agenda items for the F2F, please update the wiki
15:07:24 [Zakim]: -milan_patel
15:07:24 [Josh_Soref]: [ adjourned ]
15:07:25 [Zakim]: -richt_
15:07:25 [Zakim]: -darobin
15:07:26 [Zakim]: -fjh
15:07:28 [Zakim]: -Cathy
15:07:29 [Zakim]: -AnssiK
15:07:29 [Josh_Soref]: trackbot, end meeting
15:07:29 [trackbot]: Zakim, list attendees
15:07:30 [Zakim]: -Jungkee
15:07:30 [Zakim]: As of this point the attendees have been fjh, gmandyam, Josh_Soref, milan_patel, AnssiK, darobin, bryan, Dsr, Cathy, unknown_caller_in_france, richt_, +358.504.86aaaa, Jungkee,
15:07:31 [Zakim]: ... nwidell
15:07:33 [Zakim]: -Dsr
15:07:37 [trackbot]: RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:07:37 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/29-dap-minutes.html trackbot
15:07:38 [trackbot]: RRSAgent, bye
15:07:38 [RRSAgent]: I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/08/29-dap-actions.rdf :
15:07:38 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: fjh to enter HTML Media LC comment responses into LC tracker [1]
15:07:38 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/08/29-dap-irc#T14-20-55
15:07:38 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: fjh to move specs in the home page Roadmap to 'Exploratory Work' section [2]
15:07:38 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/08/29-dap-irc#T14-22-57
15:07:38 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: fjh to check with James re implementations of Pick Media and Pick Contact, plans et [3]
15:07:38 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/08/29-dap-irc#T15-00-40-1
15:07:38 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: josh_soref to create facebook WebIntents Pick Contacts provider [4]
15:07:38 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/08/29-dap-irc#T15-04-43
15:07:38 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: soref to create facebook WebIntents Pick Contacts provider [5]
15:07:38 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/08/29-dap-irc#T15-05-04
15:07:43 [Zakim]: -nwidell