IRC log of dap on 2012-08-29
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/08/29-dap-irc
- 12:57:03 [trackbot]
- RRSAgent, make logs world
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- Zakim, this will be DAP
- 12:57:05 [Zakim]
- I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
- 12:57:06 [trackbot]
- Meeting: Device APIs Working Group Teleconference
- 12:57:06 [trackbot]
- Date: 29 August 2012
- 13:07:30 [fjh]
- zakim, this will be DAP
- 13:07:30 [Zakim]
- ok, fjh; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 53 minutes
- 13:07:58 [fjh]
- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0096.html
- 13:08:50 [fjh]
- Chair: Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch
- 13:09:02 [fjh]
- Present+ Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch
- 13:27:48 [fjh]
- Regrets+ Claes_Nilsson
- 13:58:19 [Zakim]
- UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started
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- +??P11
- 13:58:31 [fjh]
- zakim, ??P11 is me
- 13:58:31 [Zakim]
- +fjh; got it
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- +gmandyam
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- +Josh_Soref
- 14:01:19 [Josh_Soref]
- scribe: Josh_Soref
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- +milan_patel
- 14:01:52 [gmandyam]
- Hello from Giri Mandyam (Qualcomm Innovation Center), dialing in from (858) area code
- 14:02:01 [Zakim]
- +??P15
- 14:02:08 [AnssiK]
- zakim, ??P15 is me
- 14:02:08 [Zakim]
- +AnssiK; got it
- 14:02:15 [AnssiK]
- Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen
- 14:02:37 [Josh_Soref]
- s/Hello from Giri Mandyam (Qualcomm Innovation Center), dialing in from (858) area code//
- 14:02:41 [Josh_Soref]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes
- 14:02:41 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/29-dap-minutes.html Josh_Soref
- 14:03:22 [bryan]
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- +??P16
- 14:03:51 [darobin]
- Zakim, ??P16 is me
- 14:03:51 [Zakim]
- +darobin; got it
- 14:03:56 [Jungkee]
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- Present+ Jungkee_Song
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- +bryan
- 14:04:42 [bryan]
- present+ Bryan_Sullivan
- 14:04:57 [dsr]
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- 14:05:08 [Zakim]
- +Dsr
- 14:05:26 [fjh]
- zakim, who is here?
- 14:05:26 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see fjh, gmandyam, Josh_Soref, milan_patel, AnssiK, darobin, bryan, Dsr
- 14:05:29 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see dsr, Jungkee, bryan, Milan_Patel, AnssiK, gmandyam, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, Paul_Kinlan, darobin, trackbot, mounir, Josh_Soref, richt, hiroto, slightlyoff, tobie, dom
- 14:05:41 [Zakim]
- +darobin.a
- 14:05:51 [Zakim]
- +Cathy
- 14:05:51 [fjh]
- zakim, who is here?
- 14:05:52 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see fjh, gmandyam, Josh_Soref, milan_patel, AnssiK, darobin, bryan, Dsr, darobin.a, Cathy
- 14:05:52 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see dsr, Jungkee, bryan, Milan_Patel, AnssiK, gmandyam, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, Paul_Kinlan, darobin, trackbot, mounir, Josh_Soref, richt, hiroto, slightlyoff, tobie, dom
- 14:06:15 [Josh_Soref]
- Zakim, mute darobin
- 14:06:15 [Zakim]
- darobin should now be muted
- 14:06:16 [Zakim]
- -Cathy
- 14:06:18 [Josh_Soref]
- Zakim, unmute darobin
- 14:06:18 [Zakim]
- darobin should no longer be muted
- 14:06:37 [Zakim]
- +Cathy
- 14:06:39 [Josh_Soref]
- Zakim, mute darobin.a
- 14:06:39 [Zakim]
- darobin.a should now be muted
- 14:06:45 [Josh_Soref]
- Zakim, unmute darobin.a
- 14:06:45 [Zakim]
- darobin.a should no longer be muted
- 14:07:00 [darobin]
- Zakim, darobin.a is not darobin
- 14:07:00 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'darobin.a is not darobin', darobin
- 14:07:23 [Josh_Soref]
- Zakim, darobin.a is really unknown_caller_in_france
- 14:07:23 [Zakim]
- +unknown_caller_in_france; got it
- 14:07:26 [Zakim]
- -Dsr
- 14:07:33 [Zakim]
- +Dsr
- 14:07:39 [Zakim]
- -Dsr
- 14:07:55 [Zakim]
- +Dsr
- 14:09:26 [fjh]
- proposed RESOLUTION: The DAP WG thanks Robin Berjon for all his contributions to DAP
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- 14:09:50 [Josh_Soref]
- i/proposed/Topic: Administrative/
- 14:09:57 [Josh_Soref]
- RESOLUTION: The DAP WG thanks Robin Berjon for all his contributions to DAP
- 14:10:11 [fjh]
- welcome to additional DAP members - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0069.html
- 14:10:35 [Josh_Soref]
- Topic: Minutes Approval
- 14:10:38 [fjh]
- Approve minutes from 22 August 2012
- 14:10:38 [fjh]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/att-0094/minutes-2012-08-22.html
- 14:10:41 [Zakim]
- +richt_
- 14:10:52 [Josh_Soref]
- RESOLUTION: Approve minutes from 22 August 2012
- 14:11:14 [Josh_Soref]
- Topic: HTML Media Capture
- 14:11:21 [fjh]
- Comments - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0045.html
- 14:11:32 [fjh]
- proposed resolutions: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0074.html
- 14:12:20 [Josh_Soref]
- AnssiK: i used the language inherited from HTML5 spec
- 14:12:28 [Josh_Soref]
- ... which is why the spec is phrased in term of DOM
- 14:12:32 [Josh_Soref]
- ... we could diverge from that
- 14:12:35 [fjh]
- some additional suggestions I have - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0101.html
- 14:12:37 [Josh_Soref]
- ... making it explicit in prose
- 14:12:50 [Josh_Soref]
- ... i'll have to look around and see how other standalone specifications do it
- 14:12:57 [Josh_Soref]
- fjh: you could look at other examples
- 14:13:34 [Josh_Soref]
- AnssiK: i think we have other cases which address things like chaals's concerns
- 14:13:44 [fjh]
- http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/camera/
- 14:13:59 [Cathy]
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- 14:14:04 [Josh_Soref]
- i/inherited/fjh: chaals was concerned that you didn't know that you could have markup/
- 14:14:23 [Josh_Soref]
- Zakim, who is making noise?
- 14:14:34 [Zakim]
- Josh_Soref, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: fjh (51%), darobin (35%)
- 14:14:41 [Josh_Soref]
- Zakim, mute darobin
- 14:14:41 [Zakim]
- darobin should now be muted
- 14:14:54 [Josh_Soref]
- Zakim, mute me
- 14:14:54 [Zakim]
- Josh_Soref should now be muted
- 14:14:54 [fjh]
- zakim, who is making noise?
- 14:14:56 [darobin]
- Zakim, unmute me
- 14:14:56 [Zakim]
- darobin should no longer be muted
- 14:15:05 [darobin]
- zakim, who is making noise?
- 14:15:05 [Zakim]
- fjh, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: AnssiK (33%)
- 14:15:20 [Zakim]
- darobin, listening for 12 seconds I heard sound from the following: fjh (22%)
- 14:15:25 [Josh_Soref]
- Zakim, drop AnssiK
- 14:15:25 [Zakim]
- AnssiK is being disconnected
- 14:15:26 [Zakim]
- -AnssiK
- 14:15:35 [darobin]
- zakim, who is making noise?
- 14:15:40 [Zakim]
- +??P15
- 14:15:41 [Josh_Soref]
- Zakim, mute fjh
- 14:15:41 [Zakim]
- fjh should now be muted
- 14:15:43 [Josh_Soref]
- Zakim, who is on the call?
- 14:15:43 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see fjh (muted), gmandyam, Josh_Soref (muted), milan_patel, darobin, bryan, Dsr, unknown_caller_in_france, Cathy, richt_, ??P15
- 14:15:46 [Zakim]
- darobin, listening for 11 seconds I could not identify any sounds
- 14:15:47 [Josh_Soref]
- Zakim, mute richt_
- 14:15:48 [Zakim]
- richt_ should now be muted
- 14:15:51 [Josh_Soref]
- Zakim, mute gmandyam
- 14:15:51 [Zakim]
- gmandyam should now be muted
- 14:15:55 [Josh_Soref]
- Zakim, mute bryan
- 14:15:55 [Zakim]
- bryan should now be muted
- 14:15:56 [Jungkee]
- well, I'm trying to call again
- 14:15:59 [Josh_Soref]
- Zakim, mute Jungkee
- 14:15:59 [Zakim]
- sorry, Josh_Soref, I do not know which phone connection belongs to Jungkee
- 14:16:02 [Zakim]
- -??P15
- 14:16:03 [Josh_Soref]
- Zakim, mute Jungkee_Song
- 14:16:04 [Zakim]
- sorry, Josh_Soref, I do not know which phone connection belongs to Jungkee_Song
- 14:16:05 [Jungkee]
- ??P15 might be me
- 14:16:10 [Josh_Soref]
- Zakim, mute ??P15
- 14:16:10 [Zakim]
- sorry, Josh_Soref, I do not know which phone connection belongs to ??P15
- 14:16:13 [Zakim]
- -unknown_caller_in_france
- 14:16:19 [fjh]
- unmute me
- 14:16:20 [Zakim]
- + +358.504.86aaaa
- 14:16:24 [richt_]
- zakim, unmute me
- 14:16:24 [Zakim]
- richt_ should no longer be muted
- 14:16:24 [Josh_Soref]
- Zakim, unmute fjh
- 14:16:25 [Zakim]
- fjh should no longer be muted
- 14:16:25 [AnssiK]
- zakim, aaaa is me
- 14:16:25 [Zakim]
- +AnssiK; got it
- 14:16:44 [Zakim]
- +??P18
- 14:16:53 [Jungkee]
- Zakim, ??P18 is me
- 14:16:53 [Zakim]
- +Jungkee; got it
- 14:16:58 [Josh_Soref]
- Zakim, mute Jungkee
- 14:16:58 [Zakim]
- Jungkee should now be muted
- 14:17:06 [Josh_Soref]
- Zakim, who is on the call?
- 14:17:06 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see fjh, gmandyam (muted), Josh_Soref (muted), milan_patel, darobin, bryan (muted), Dsr, Cathy, richt_, AnssiK, Jungkee (muted)
- 14:17:32 [Josh_Soref]
- AnssiK: my approach was to inherit as much of the HTML5 prose as possible
- 14:17:37 [Josh_Soref]
- ... to keep the spec as short as possible
- 14:17:39 [fjh]
- http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/camera/
- 14:17:48 [Josh_Soref]
- ... the expectation is that people reading this spec would be aware of the HTML5 spec
- 14:17:59 [Josh_Soref]
- ... however, i can do whatever is needed to get this spec to LC
- 14:18:10 [Josh_Soref]
- fjh: i have some feedback from dougt
- 14:18:40 [Josh_Soref]
- AnssiK: i'll reply on the list addressing all the comments you have
- 14:19:17 [Josh_Soref]
- fjh: we should enter responses into the LC tracker
- 14:19:22 [Josh_Soref]
- AnssiK: what's the process here?
- 14:19:28 [Josh_Soref]
- fjh: you can do things informally
- 14:19:35 [Josh_Soref]
- ... for chaals and dougt
- 14:19:38 [nwidell]
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- 14:19:40 [Josh_Soref]
- ... you can do things informally
- 14:19:52 [Zakim]
- +nwidell
- 14:19:54 [Josh_Soref]
- ... otherwise, you can enter things in the LC tracker, and it does them automatically
- 14:20:41 [Josh_Soref]
- Josh_Soref: I plan to respond to MC at some point
- 14:20:48 [Josh_Soref]
- ... I was doing actions for Intents recently
- 14:20:55 [fjh]
- action: fjh to enter HTML Media LC comment responses into LC tracker
- 14:20:55 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-571 - Enter HTML Media LC comment responses into LC tracker [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2012-09-05].
- 14:21:02 [Josh_Soref]
- fjh: thanks AnssiK
- 14:21:17 [Josh_Soref]
- topic: Ambient Temperature
- 14:21:21 [fjh]
- CfC http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0065.html
- 14:21:24 [Josh_Soref]
- fjh: we had a CfC on these
- 14:21:28 [Josh_Soref]
- ... and i think the CfC has failed
- 14:21:31 [Josh_Soref]
- ... with good reason
- 14:21:35 [Josh_Soref]
- Zakim, unmute me
- 14:21:35 [Zakim]
- Josh_Soref should no longer be muted
- 14:21:44 [fjh]
- s/Temperature/Temperature and Humidity/
- 14:21:50 [Josh_Soref]
- fjh: we could do a testharness, but it seems like a lot of work
- 14:21:52 [fjh]
- arguments against on list, including questions of implementability.
- 14:21:56 [Josh_Soref]
- ... it seems like we should figure it out
- 14:22:09 [fjh]
- proposed RESOLUTION: move these specs in the home page Roadmap to 'Exploratory Work' section
- 14:22:12 [darobin]
- +1
- 14:22:14 [Josh_Soref]
- +1
- 14:22:20 [AnssiK]
- +1
- 14:22:40 [Josh_Soref]
- RESOLUTION: move these specs in the home page Roadmap to 'Exploratory Work' section
- 14:22:46 [Josh_Soref]
- fjh: i'll do that
- 14:22:57 [fjh]
- action: fjh to move specs in the home page Roadmap to 'Exploratory Work' section
- 14:22:58 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-572 - Move specs in the home page Roadmap to 'Exploratory Work' section [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2012-09-05].
- 14:22:59 [Josh_Soref]
- dsr: if you could do that, that would be great
- 14:23:17 [Josh_Soref]
- Topic: Network Service Discovery and Messaging
- 14:23:26 [Josh_Soref]
- fjh: there's been comments from Cathy
- 14:23:31 [Josh_Soref]
- Josh_Soref: richt_ is on the call
- 14:23:34 [fjh]
- Additional comments http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0095.html (Cathy)
- 14:23:39 [Josh_Soref]
- fjh: if there's anything that needs to be talked about
- 14:23:45 [Josh_Soref]
- ... but i think you need to do more edits
- 14:23:51 [Josh_Soref]
- richt_: i agree, but i have a backlog
- 14:23:57 [Josh_Soref]
- ... i don't know i can do them this week
- 14:24:04 [Josh_Soref]
- Cathy: it's just more work for richt_
- 14:24:37 [Josh_Soref]
- richt_: i think the spec could use some restructuring
- 14:24:47 [Josh_Soref]
- ... if we did this around UPnP state, i think that could address some concerns
- 14:24:51 [Josh_Soref]
- Zakim, who is on the call?
- 14:24:51 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see fjh, gmandyam (muted), Josh_Soref, milan_patel, darobin, bryan (muted), Dsr, Cathy, richt_, AnssiK, Jungkee (muted), nwidell
- 14:24:57 [Josh_Soref]
- Topic: Network Information API
- 14:25:00 [fjh]
- test suite proposal, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0078.html
- 14:25:04 [Josh_Soref]
- fjh: i don't think we have mozilla people on the call
- 14:25:12 [Josh_Soref]
- AnssiK: i'm going to start writing the test suite
- 14:25:17 [Josh_Soref]
- ... the easy part is testing the IDL
- 14:25:25 [fjh]
- need to figure out the test harness part, whether we can use work from Mozilla
- 14:25:27 [Josh_Soref]
- ... the harder part is testing hardware interaction
- 14:25:45 [Josh_Soref]
- ... i was aware mozilla had some intention to handle things more intelligently for battery
- 14:25:51 [Josh_Soref]
- ... i'm open to suggestions/pointers
- 14:25:59 [Josh_Soref]
- Zakim, q+ to talk about Cordova-Contacts
- 14:25:59 [Zakim]
- I see Josh_Soref on the speaker queue
- 14:26:14 [Josh_Soref]
- ... i think there are test suites that try to solve similar problems
- 14:26:29 [Josh_Soref]
- ... there are test suites that require manual intervention (touch)
- 14:26:37 [Josh_Soref]
- ... and CSS (visual inspection)
- 14:26:44 [Josh_Soref]
- ... this is a call out for people, if you have ideas
- 14:26:57 [Josh_Soref]
- ... i know darobin had ideas on how to make progress with vibration
- 14:27:04 [Josh_Soref]
- ... making things separate runnable testcases
- 14:27:05 [fjh]
- q?
- 14:27:11 [Josh_Soref]
- ... which require a human
- 14:27:24 [Josh_Soref]
- darobin: it's important to make manual tests separate from automated tests
- 14:27:32 [Josh_Soref]
- ... so you can run the automated tests automatically
- 14:27:44 [Josh_Soref]
- AnssiK: so we write the test cases that can be automated
- 14:27:57 [Josh_Soref]
- ... and then make additional test cases that require manual interaction
- 14:28:12 [Josh_Soref]
- ... i could take things from the vibration test suite
- 14:28:19 [Josh_Soref]
- ... darobin did that half a year ago
- 14:28:26 [Josh_Soref]
- ... darobin, are you happy with those?
- 14:28:37 [Josh_Soref]
- darobin: i think overall, the style of the tests could be improved
- 14:28:41 [Josh_Soref]
- Zakim, who is making noise?
- 14:28:45 [darobin]
- http://darobin.github.com/test-harness-tutorial/docs/using-testharness.html
- 14:28:51 [Josh_Soref]
- darobin: since then, i wrote a tutorial on using testharness
- 14:28:53 [Zakim]
- Josh_Soref, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Josh_Soref (5%), AnssiK (71%)
- 14:29:01 [Josh_Soref]
- Zakim, mute me
- 14:29:01 [Zakim]
- Josh_Soref should now be muted
- 14:29:09 [Josh_Soref]
- AnssiK: i read that, it's quite helpful
- 14:29:16 [Josh_Soref]
- ... the best documentation written in English
- 14:29:30 [Josh_Soref]
- darobin: if you pick up the vibration tests, and you have any questions, don't hesitate to ping me
- 14:29:41 [Josh_Soref]
- AnssiK: i'm just looking to see if we have best practices
- 14:29:46 [Josh_Soref]
- ... it seems we're making them
- 14:29:49 [Josh_Soref]
- darobin: it's complicated
- 14:29:54 [Josh_Soref]
- ... vibration tests are almost all manual
- 14:30:02 [Josh_Soref]
- ... you need a human
- 14:30:11 [Josh_Soref]
- Josh_Soref: you could have a camera watching the device :)
- 14:30:22 [Josh_Soref]
- AnssiK: the mozilla guys were using an emulator
- 14:30:30 [fjh]
- simulator
- 14:30:38 [Josh_Soref]
- s/emulator/simulator/
- 14:30:53 [Josh_Soref]
- darobin: you could try to use the accelerometer
- 14:30:56 [Josh_Soref]
- ... to detect vibration
- 14:31:22 [Josh_Soref]
- fjh: for battery, you need to use a simulator
- 14:31:26 [Josh_Soref]
- ... otherwise you wait forever
- 14:31:35 [Josh_Soref]
- AnssiK: for battery, you could use computationally complicated JS
- 14:31:43 [fjh]
- q?
- 14:31:49 [Josh_Soref]
- ... but it'd be hard/bad for full/empty/in between, plug in, unplug
- 14:31:55 [fjh]
- ack Josh_Soref
- 14:31:55 [Josh_Soref]
- ... thanks for the ideas
- 14:31:56 [Zakim]
- Josh_Soref, you wanted to talk about Cordova-Contacts
- 14:32:30 [Josh_Soref]
- fjh: AnssiK, will you contact the mozilla guys?
- 14:32:53 [Josh_Soref]
- AnssiK: the mozilla guys are subscribed to the DAP list
- 14:32:59 [Josh_Soref]
- ... but maybe i should ping them directly
- 14:33:16 [Josh_Soref]
- Topic: Ambient Light
- 14:33:22 [Josh_Soref]
- fjh: AnssiK, you're editing that
- 14:33:27 [Josh_Soref]
- ... and we're waiting for implementation
- 14:33:30 [Josh_Soref]
- ... is that right?
- 14:33:39 [Josh_Soref]
- AnssiK: ambient is edited by dougt
- 14:33:47 [Josh_Soref]
- ... dougt took proximity
- 14:33:55 [Josh_Soref]
- ... it's the same spec, with the names changed
- 14:34:00 [Josh_Soref]
- fjh: oh right, i got confused
- 14:34:08 [Josh_Soref]
- AnssiK: we'll need to backport changes to proximity
- 14:34:11 [Josh_Soref]
- ... if there are changed
- 14:34:16 [Josh_Soref]
- fjh: there's been some proposals/discussions
- 14:34:23 [Josh_Soref]
- ... that things should go into the ambient light spec
- 14:34:54 [Josh_Soref]
- ... i think this spec needs edits
- 14:34:57 [Josh_Soref]
- Topic: Proximity
- 14:35:41 [Josh_Soref]
- s/Topic: Proximity//
- 14:35:52 [Josh_Soref]
- fjh: i think there's an issue about Light Levels
- 14:35:55 [Josh_Soref]
- Topic: Proximity
- 14:36:08 [Josh_Soref]
- AnssiK: if there's a common issue between Ambient Light/Proximity
- 14:36:17 [Josh_Soref]
- ... i'd like to fix them both at the same time
- 14:36:27 [Josh_Soref]
- ... it's good to keep the specs separate for interop testing
- 14:36:31 [Josh_Soref]
- ... and getting through the process
- 14:36:42 [Josh_Soref]
- fjh: here we're dealing with testing?
- 14:37:22 [Josh_Soref]
- ... darobin, you had an action here?
- 14:38:10 [Josh_Soref]
- darobin: proximity is not a spec/test area where i had actions
- 14:38:23 [Josh_Soref]
- ... i had actions for battery/vibration, which i did
- 14:38:32 [Josh_Soref]
- fjh: AnssiK, you're working on proximity?
- 14:38:39 [Josh_Soref]
- AnssiK: i have an action item for battery/vibration
- 14:38:45 [Josh_Soref]
- ... then i'll look at the remaining specs
- 14:39:00 [Josh_Soref]
- Topic: Web API Design Cookbook
- 14:39:07 [fjh]
- http://darobin.github.com/api-design-cookbook/
- 14:39:11 [Josh_Soref]
- fjh: we agreed on a previous call to publish a FPWD
- 14:39:19 [Josh_Soref]
- ... darobin, you're working on that w/ Jungkee
- 14:39:24 [Josh_Soref]
- darobin: i'll push it through the usual steps
- 14:39:35 [Josh_Soref]
- ... i'll do that before the end of the week
- 14:39:39 [Josh_Soref]
- ... tomorrow or tuesday
- 14:39:44 [gmandyam]
- Will be dropping from IRC and continuing to listen on the phone
- 14:39:53 [Josh_Soref]
- ... i probably won't be editing it very actively
- 14:40:03 [Josh_Soref]
- ... we'll need a plan for it to go forward
- 14:40:09 [Josh_Soref]
- fjh: this will be a note
- 14:40:19 [Josh_Soref]
- darobin: sure, but there are parts that aren't finished
- 14:40:22 [Josh_Soref]
- Topic: TPAC
- 14:40:30 [Josh_Soref]
- fjh: meeting 1-2 Nov
- 14:40:32 [fjh]
- Please complete WG questionnaire - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0043.html
- 14:40:43 [fjh]
- Also remember to register for TPAC (separate from questionnaire) and make travel arrangements.
- 14:40:57 [fjh]
- Please suggest agenda topics. Agenda wiki: http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/F2F_Agenda_1-2_November_TPAC_Lyon_France
- 14:41:07 [fjh]
- WebIntents session during WebApps on Tue : http://www.w3.org/wiki/Webapps/TPAC2012Meeting#Agenda_Tuesday_October_30
- 14:41:40 [Josh_Soref]
- AnssiK: what time are we planning to end the meeting on Friday?
- 14:41:45 [Josh_Soref]
- ... i'll leave @2pm
- 14:41:49 [Josh_Soref]
- fjh: it'll probably go beyond that
- 14:42:14 [Josh_Soref]
- ... i'm expecting we'll have a good amount of discussion on web intents/web activities
- 14:42:22 [Josh_Soref]
- ... and we'll have to work on day two
- 14:42:38 [Josh_Soref]
- ... i'd prefer my specs be either friday morning, or on thursday
- 14:42:52 [Josh_Soref]
- s/... i'd/AnssiK: i'd/
- 14:42:55 [Josh_Soref]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes
- 14:42:55 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/29-dap-minutes.html Josh_Soref
- 14:43:22 [Josh_Soref]
- Topic: WebIntents
- 14:43:31 [Josh_Soref]
- fjh: there's a bunch of actions
- 14:43:39 [Josh_Soref]
- ... darobin, not sure what the right way to do this is
- 14:43:46 [fjh]
- ACTION-514?
- 14:43:46 [trackbot]
- ACTION-514 -- Robin Berjon to talk to the Web Schema group about using schema.org nouns for Intents -- due 2012-07-18 -- OPEN
- 14:43:46 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/514
- 14:44:07 [Josh_Soref]
- darobin: i think my actions are overtaken by
- 14:44:40 [Josh_Soref]
- s/by/by "Events"/
- 14:45:06 [Josh_Soref]
- darobin: for action-514, the idea was to talk to the webschema thing to see if that makes sense
- 14:45:15 [Josh_Soref]
- ... i talked to Dan and he's interested
- 14:45:22 [Josh_Soref]
- ... but we didn't see anything to do
- 14:45:23 [darobin]
- s/"Events"/events"
- 14:45:28 [fjh]
- ACTION-514 closed
- 14:45:28 [trackbot]
- ACTION-514 Talk to the Web Schema group about using schema.org nouns for Intents closed
- 14:45:33 [darobin]
- s/events"/events
- 14:45:34 [Josh_Soref]
- Zakim, who is making noise?
- 14:45:38 [fjh]
- ACTION-516?
- 14:45:38 [trackbot]
- ACTION-516 -- Josh Soref to propose Security Considerations section on SSL for Intents sepc -- due 2012-07-18 -- OPEN
- 14:45:38 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/516
- 14:45:42 [darobin]
- s/Dan/Dan Brickley/
- 14:45:46 [Zakim]
- Josh_Soref, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: fjh (64%), darobin (77%)
- 14:45:46 [fjh]
- ACTION-550?
- 14:45:46 [trackbot]
- ACTION-550 -- James Hawkins to add event for on load to webintents spec -- due 2012-07-17 -- OPEN
- 14:45:46 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/550
- 14:45:57 [fjh]
- ACTION-551?
- 14:45:57 [trackbot]
- ACTION-551 -- James Hawkins to share proposal on list to handle dynamic insertion/removal etc of <intent> tags -- due 2012-07-17 -- OPEN
- 14:45:57 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/551
- 14:46:06 [Josh_Soref]
- ACTION-516: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-intents/2012Aug/0049.html
- 14:46:06 [trackbot]
- ACTION-516 Propose Security Considerations section on SSL for Intents sepc notes added
- 14:46:58 [Josh_Soref]
- ACTION-516 close
- 14:47:05 [Josh_Soref]
- s/ACTION-516 close//
- 14:47:09 [fjh]
- ACTION-516 closed
- 14:47:09 [trackbot]
- ACTION-516 Propose Security Considerations section on SSL for Intents sepc closed
- 14:47:42 [fjh]
- ACTION-556?
- 14:47:42 [trackbot]
- ACTION-556 -- Robin Berjon to set up test repository with example, docs, manifest generation for Web Intents -- due 2012-07-18 -- OPEN
- 14:47:42 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/556
- 14:48:11 [Josh_Soref]
- darobin: i'll get around to it
- 14:48:16 [Josh_Soref]
- fjh: thank you
- 14:48:33 [Josh_Soref]
- Topic: Additional Actions
- 14:48:48 [Josh_Soref]
- fjh: what intrigued me is a gUM action
- 14:49:02 [Josh_Soref]
- ... i'm not sure why that's here, v. in MC
- 14:49:02 [fjh]
- ACTION-558?
- 14:49:02 [trackbot]
- ACTION-558 -- Robin Berjon to draft a proposal for stills capture for gUM -- due 2012-07-18 -- OPEN
- 14:49:02 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/558
- 14:49:23 [Josh_Soref]
- Josh_Soref: the MC TF might not have a Tracker
- 14:49:37 [Josh_Soref]
- darobin: i'll probably have to get around to this
- 14:49:54 [fjh]
- ACTION-555?
- 14:49:54 [trackbot]
- ACTION-555 -- Claes Nilsson to add mDNS adaption to the 'Web Intents Addendum - Local Services' specification for feature completion and before FPWD -- due 2012-08-15 -- PENDINGREVIEW
- 14:49:54 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/555
- 14:50:02 [fjh]
- ACTION-555 closed
- 14:50:02 [trackbot]
- ACTION-555 Add mDNS adaption to the 'Web Intents Addendum - Local Services' specification for feature completion and before FPWD closed
- 14:50:11 [fjh]
- ACTION-569?
- 14:50:11 [trackbot]
- ACTION-569 -- Frederick Hirsch to follow up regarding next steps for ambient light events on list -- due 2012-08-29 -- PENDINGREVIEW
- 14:50:11 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/569
- 14:50:16 [fjh]
- ACTION-569 closed
- 14:50:16 [trackbot]
- ACTION-569 Follow up regarding next steps for ambient light events on list closed
- 14:50:23 [fjh]
- ACTION-570?
- 14:50:23 [trackbot]
- ACTION-570 -- Frederick Hirsch to send CfC for WG to progress Ambient Temperature Events, Ambient Humidity Events drafts and publish FPWD of each -- due 2012-08-29 -- PENDINGREVIEW
- 14:50:23 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/570
- 14:50:30 [fjh]
- ACTION-570 closed
- 14:50:30 [trackbot]
- ACTION-570 Send CfC for WG to progress Ambient Temperature Events, Ambient Humidity Events drafts and publish FPWD of each closed
- 14:50:50 [Josh_Soref]
- Topic: Contacts
- 14:51:27 [fjh]
- josh_soref: contacts is discussed elsewhere, some implementation experience int that group
- 14:51:49 [fjh]
- josh_soref: want to not always merge contact providers
- 14:52:04 [fjh]
- josh_soref: thus want to do the way in WebIntents
- 14:52:30 [fjh]
- fjh: what is actionable here?
- 14:52:58 [fjh]
- josh_soref: nothing specific to do, but we are getting feedback here that our new approach is good
- 14:53:07 [AnssiK]
- http://docs.phonegap.com/en/edge/cordova_contacts_contacts.md.html
- 14:54:38 [Josh_Soref]
- http://callback.markmail.org/search/?q=#query:%20list%3Aorg.apache.incubator.callback-dev+page:1+state:facets
- 14:54:54 [fjh]
- josh_soref: all of their mail is on one list
- 14:55:00 [Josh_Soref]
- http://callback.markmail.org/search/?q=+list%3Aorg.apache.incubator.callback-dev+contacts
- 14:55:25 [fjh]
- anssiK: what are they implementing
- 14:56:05 [AnssiK]
- http://wiki.apache.org/cordova/RoadmapProjects
- 14:56:07 [fjh]
- josh_soref: they implemented the original API and discovered issues with it, they seem to want to use new approach, but hard to tell them, not sure of their schedule
- 14:56:54 [Josh_Soref]
- AnssiK: darobin, will you continue editing pick-contact intent spec?
- 14:56:57 [Josh_Soref]
- darobin: i probably won't
- 14:57:01 [Josh_Soref]
- ... i'll help if i can
- 14:57:10 [Josh_Soref]
- ... it's up for grabs
- 14:57:17 [Josh_Soref]
- AnssiK: richt_, what about you?
- 14:57:22 [Josh_Soref]
- Zakim, who is making noise?
- 14:57:34 [Zakim]
- Josh_Soref, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: darobin (26%), richt_ (35%), AnssiK (35%)
- 14:57:45 [Josh_Soref]
- richt_: i agree with the changes
- 14:57:54 [Josh_Soref]
- ... i'd like someone else to do day-to-day editing
- 14:57:59 [Josh_Soref]
- ... it's a little down on my priority list
- 14:58:08 [Jungkee]
- i would like to take on that
- 14:58:14 [Josh_Soref]
- Josh_Soref: i should try to work on it
- 14:58:18 [Jungkee]
- let me also look at it
- 14:58:32 [Josh_Soref]
- fjh: Jungkee is also offering to edit
- 14:58:33 [Jungkee]
- along with PIck Media Intent
- 14:58:40 [Josh_Soref]
- Josh_Soref: i'm not going to proxy Mozilla/Cordova
- 14:58:46 [Josh_Soref]
- ... i had that bad experience once
- 14:59:03 [Josh_Soref]
- AnssiK: pick-contact hasn't been implemented, right?
- 14:59:16 [Zakim]
- -gmandyam
- 14:59:31 [Josh_Soref]
- Josh_Soref: i think we need someone to implement shims around major contact providers
- 14:59:31 [darobin]
- make a shim built atop http://berjon.com/contacts-intent/
- 14:59:38 [fjh]
- we should check with James on what is in progress and has been done
- 14:59:39 [Josh_Soref]
- ... google/yahoo/facebook
- 15:00:02 [Josh_Soref]
- AnssiK: which pick intent is the highest priority?
- 15:00:09 [Josh_Soref]
- ... pick-media, pick-contact
- 15:00:19 [Josh_Soref]
- fjh: i can check with james
- 15:00:40 [Josh_Soref]
- darobin: i can probably release the code to my contact intents thing
- 15:00:40 [fjh]
- action: fjh to check with James re implementations of Pick Media and Pick Contact, plans et
- 15:00:41 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-573 - Check with James re implementations of Pick Media and Pick Contact, plans et [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2012-09-05].
- 15:00:58 [Josh_Soref]
- ... with a few tweaks, it ought to be relatively easy to interface with existing contacts systems
- 15:01:22 [Josh_Soref]
- ... i have code somewhere on my harddrive to expose the OS X contacts system
- 15:02:22 [fjh]
- Josh_Soref: can use cordova code to integrate with pick contacts in various systems
- 15:02:34 [fjh]
- josh_soref: need interop with google, facebook and a couple of others
- 15:02:53 [fjh]
- josh_soref: use cordova as a shim
- 15:03:30 [Josh_Soref]
- s/shim/shim for native/
- 15:04:43 [fjh]
- action: josh_soref to create facebook WebIntents Pick Contacts provider
- 15:04:43 [trackbot]
- Sorry, couldn't find user - josh_soref
- 15:05:04 [fjh]
- action: soref to create facebook WebIntents Pick Contacts provider
- 15:05:04 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-574 - Create facebook WebIntents Pick Contacts provider [on Josh Soref - due 2012-09-05].
- 15:05:36 [Zakim]
- -bryan
- 15:06:14 [Josh_Soref]
- Topic: AOB
- 15:06:55 [Josh_Soref]
- fjh: thanks again darobin
- 15:06:57 [Josh_Soref]
- Josh_Soref: +1
- 15:07:23 [Josh_Soref]
- fjh: if you have agenda items for the F2F, please update the wiki
- 15:07:24 [Zakim]
- -milan_patel
- 15:07:24 [Josh_Soref]
- [ adjourned ]
- 15:07:25 [Zakim]
- -richt_
- 15:07:25 [Zakim]
- -darobin
- 15:07:26 [Zakim]
- -fjh
- 15:07:28 [Zakim]
- -Cathy
- 15:07:29 [Zakim]
- -AnssiK
- 15:07:29 [Josh_Soref]
- trackbot, end meeting
- 15:07:29 [trackbot]
- Zakim, list attendees
- 15:07:30 [Zakim]
- -Jungkee
- 15:07:30 [Zakim]
- As of this point the attendees have been fjh, gmandyam, Josh_Soref, milan_patel, AnssiK, darobin, bryan, Dsr, Cathy, unknown_caller_in_france, richt_, +358.504.86aaaa, Jungkee,
- 15:07:31 [Zakim]
- ... nwidell
- 15:07:33 [Zakim]
- -Dsr
- 15:07:37 [trackbot]
- RRSAgent, please draft minutes
- 15:07:37 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/29-dap-minutes.html trackbot
- 15:07:38 [trackbot]
- RRSAgent, bye
- 15:07:38 [RRSAgent]
- I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/08/29-dap-actions.rdf :
- 15:07:38 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: fjh to enter HTML Media LC comment responses into LC tracker [1]
- 15:07:38 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/08/29-dap-irc#T14-20-55
- 15:07:38 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: fjh to move specs in the home page Roadmap to 'Exploratory Work' section [2]
- 15:07:38 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/08/29-dap-irc#T14-22-57
- 15:07:38 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: fjh to check with James re implementations of Pick Media and Pick Contact, plans et [3]
- 15:07:38 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/08/29-dap-irc#T15-00-40-1
- 15:07:38 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: josh_soref to create facebook WebIntents Pick Contacts provider [4]
- 15:07:38 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/08/29-dap-irc#T15-04-43
- 15:07:38 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: soref to create facebook WebIntents Pick Contacts provider [5]
- 15:07:38 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/08/29-dap-irc#T15-05-04
- 15:07:43 [Zakim]
- -nwidell