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14:00:14 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 2428
14:00:14 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_(WCAG2ICT)10:00AM scheduled to start now
14:00:15 <trackbot> Meeting: WCAG2ICT Task Force Teleconference
14:00:15 <trackbot> Date: 28 August 2012
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14:00:22 <Andi> chair: Mike_Pluke
14:00:29 <Andi> scribe: Andi_Snow-Weaver
14:00:35 <Andi> scribenick: Andi
14:01:18 <Andi> topic: 2.4.5 Multiple Ways
14:01:19 <Andi> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/AUG242012/
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14:01:55 <Andi> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:01:55 <Zakim> WAI_(WCAG2ICT)10:00AM has not yet started, Andi
14:01:56 <Zakim> On IRC I see alex_, David, Zakim, RRSAgent, Kiran, Andi, Mike, BBailey, MaryJo, shadi, trackbot
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14:03:01 <Andi> topic: Glossary Terms - Part 2
14:03:20 <Andi> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/GLOSSARY2/results
14:03:29 <Loic> Hi. I'm having trouble connecting to SIP. If I don't succeed I won't be able to participate.
14:04:04 <Andi> s/Hi. I'm having trouble connecting to SIP. If I don't succeed I won't be able to participate.//
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14:06:55 <Andi> RESOLUTION: idiom, image of text, jargon, legal commitments, live, lower secondary education level, media alternative for text, navigated sequentially, non-text content, paused, prerecorded, presentation, primary education level, and pure decoration apply as is to non-Web ICT
14:07:48 <greggvanderheiden> q+
14:08:55 <Andi> +1 to Gregg
14:09:57 <Andi> topic: link purpose
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14:10:25 <korn> Zakim, Oracle has Peter_Korn
14:10:25 <Zakim> sorry, korn, I do not recognize a party named 'Oracle'
14:12:27 <Andi> RESOLUTION: link purpose applies to non-Web ICT as is
14:13:28 <Andi> topic: mechanism
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14:16:06 <Judy> zakim, this is WAI_(WCAG2ICT)
14:16:06 <Zakim> ok, Judy; that matches WAI_(WCAG2ICT)10:00AM
14:16:12 <Judy> zakim, who's here?
14:16:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see Bruce_Bailey, David_MacDonald, Andi_Snow_Weaver, ??P6, MaryJo, Kiran, [Microsoft], Gregg_Vanderheiden, Judy, [Oracle]
14:16:14 <Zakim> On IRC I see janina, korn, Judy, greggvanderheiden, alex_, David, Zakim, RRSAgent, Kiran, Andi, Mike, BBailey, MaryJo, shadi, trackbot
14:16:22 <korn> q+
14:16:40 <Judy> zakim, [Microsoft] is Alex_Li
14:16:40 <Zakim> +Alex_Li; got it
14:16:43 <Andi> zakim, ??P6 is Mike_Pluke
14:16:43 <Zakim> +Mike_Pluke; got it
14:16:54 <Andi> zakim, [Oracle] has Peter_Korn
14:16:54 <Zakim> +Peter_Korn; got it
14:17:06 <Judy> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:17:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see Bruce_Bailey, David_MacDonald, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Mike_Pluke, MaryJo, Kiran, Alex_Li, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Judy, [Oracle]
14:17:08 <Zakim> [Oracle] has Peter_Korn
14:17:43 <Andi> put Gregg's proposal for "user agent" along with mechanism on the next survey
14:18:45 <Andi> may need to revisit 4.1.2 because it doesn't work with the proposed user agent definition
14:20:12 <Andi> proposed definition includes "platforms"
14:21:34 <korn> q+
14:21:42 <Andi> topic: on a full-screen window
14:21:46 <Andi> ack gregg
14:22:28 <Andi> definition is scoped to laptops and desktops, can't expand to other types of devices even though it might be a good thing to do
14:23:10 <Andi> ack korn
14:23:38 <Andi> definition is only used in 1.4.8 which is only used in a AAA SC so we can defer it for now
14:25:41 <Andi> s/definition is only used in 1.4.8 which is only used in a AAA SC so we can defer it for now/definition is only used in 1.4.8 which is a AAA SC so we can defer it for now/
14:26:52 <Andi> RESOLUTION: "on a full-screen window" applies to non-Web ICT as is
14:29:06 <Andi> topic: real-time event
14:29:58 <greggvanderheiden> q+
14:30:14 <Andi> ack gregg
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14:39:08 <Andi> substitution of our definition of "content" doesn't make sense
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14:44:01 <alex_> q+
14:46:55 <Andi> ack alex
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14:55:17 <Andi> RESOLUTION: real-time events applies to non-Web ICT
14:55:47 <Andi> action: Gregg to ask WCAG to add examples to WCAG INTENT for 2.2.1 Timing Adjustable, 2.2.2 Pause, Stop, Hide, and 2.2.3 No Timing per his comment on the survey
14:56:58 <Andi> topic: informative and normative
14:57:28 <Andi> q+
14:58:50 <Andi> zakim, who is on the queue?
14:59:18 <Andi> RESOLUTION: "informative" and "normative" apply to non-Web ICT as is
14:59:45 <Andi> topic: 2.4.5 Multiple Ways
14:59:47 <Andi> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/AUG242012/results
15:01:27 <Andi> rrsagent, make minutes
15:01:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/28-wcag2ict-minutes.html Andi
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15:02:19 <Andi> rrsagent, make minutes
15:02:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/28-wcag2ict-minutes.html Andi
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15:02:59 <Andi> rrsagent, make minutes
15:02:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/28-wcag2ict-minutes.html Andi
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15:05:08 <alex__> q+
15:06:23 <Andi> if we require all of the documents to have links back to the member that has all of the links, then it makes anything that meets the definition would automatically meet the SC
15:07:26 <Andi> ack alex
15:07:52 <Andi> fundamental difference between documents and web pages
15:08:10 <Andi> documents are created separately and meant to be distributed separately
15:08:49 <Andi> web pages are meant to be included in a website where there is a navigation structure for navigating among the pages of a site
15:09:18 <Andi> q+
15:09:59 <Andi> proposal q-
15:10:02 <Andi> q-
15:10:13 <Andi> s/proposal q-//
15:10:43 <Andi> proposal that the documents linked "to" must also link back in order to be recognized as part of the set
15:10:57 <alex__> q+
15:11:08 <Andi> q+
15:12:12 <Andi> ack alex
15:14:17 <Andi> topic: Action Items
15:14:26 <Andi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG2ICT-TF/track/actions/open
15:19:21 <Andi> action-24: only relevant to the few SC that have "set of web pages" and is related to discussion on conformance
15:19:33 <Andi> action-29: Andi just has to close with Pierce
15:30:05 <Andi> rrsagent, make minutes
15:30:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/28-wcag2ict-minutes.html Andi
15:31:15 <Andi> s/+1 to Gregg/
15:31:22 <Andi> s/+1 to Gregg//
15:31:26 <Andi> rrsagent, make minutes
15:31:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/28-wcag2ict-minutes.html Andi
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15:31:55 <Andi> s|s/+1 to Gregg//||
15:32:00 <Andi> rrsagent, make minutes
15:32:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/28-wcag2ict-minutes.html Andi
15:34:11 <Andi> present: Mike_Pluke, Andi_Snow-Weaver, Mary_Jo_Mueller, Judy_Brewer, Gregg_Vanderheiden, David_MacDonald, Peter_Korn, Bruce_Bailey, Alex_Li, Kiran_Kaja
15:34:40 <Andi> regrets: Loïc_Martínez_Normand
15:34:51 <Andi> rrsagent, make minutes
15:34:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/28-wcag2ict-minutes.html Andi
15:35:41 <Andi> sdefinition is only used in 1.4.8 which is a AAA SC so we can defer it for now/definition is only used in 1.4.8 which is a AAA SC so we could defer it for now/
15:35:46 <Andi> rrsagent, make minutes
15:35:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/28-wcag2ict-minutes.html Andi
15:36:22 <Andi> s/definition is only used in 1.4.8 which is a AAA SC so we can defer it for now/definition is only used in 1.4.8 which is a AAA SC so we could defer it for now/
15:36:38 <Andi> s|sdefinition is only used in 1.4.8 which is a AAA SC so we can defer it for now/definition is only used in 1.4.8 which is a AAA SC so we could defer it for now/||
15:36:43 <Andi> rrsagent, make minutes
15:36:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/28-wcag2ict-minutes.html Andi
15:38:55 <Judy> q?
15:39:07 <Judy> zakim, who's making noise?
15:39:09 <Judy> zakim, mute Kiran
15:39:13 <Judy> zakim, are you there?
15:39:22 <korn> q+
15:39:26 <korn> q?
15:40:04 <Zakim> +??P2
15:40:09 <Zakim> -??P2
15:40:26 <korn> zakim who is talking?
15:40:29 <Zakim> I see Andi on the speaker queue
15:42:33 <Zakim> -Andi_Snow_Weaver
15:42:36 <Zakim> -Alex_Li
15:42:37 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald
15:42:39 <Zakim> -MaryJo
15:42:41 <Zakim> -Gregg_Vanderheiden
15:42:44 <Zakim> -Mike_Pluke
15:42:45 <Zakim> -Bruce_Bailey
15:42:47 <Zakim> -[Oracle]
15:42:49 <Zakim> -Judy
15:42:57 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, Kiran, in WAI_(WCAG2ICT)10:00AM
15:42:59 <Zakim> WAI_(WCAG2ICT)10:00AM has ended
15:43:03 <Zakim> Attendees were David_MacDonald, Bruce_Bailey, Andi_Snow_Weaver, MaryJo, Kiran, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Judy, Alex_Li, Mike_Pluke, Peter_Korn
15:43:10 <Zakim> sorry, Judy, I don't know what conference this is
15:43:12 <Zakim> sorry, Judy, I don't know what conference this is
15:43:14 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, Judy.
15:49:59 <Andi> trackbot, end meeting
15:49:59 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
15:49:59 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
15:50:07 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:50:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/28-wcag2ict-minutes.html trackbot
15:50:08 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
15:50:08 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/08/28-wcag2ict-actions.rdf :
15:50:08 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Gregg to ask WCAG to add examples to WCAG INTENT for 2.2.1 Timing Adjustable, 2.2.2 Pause, Stop, Hide, and 2.2.3 No Timing per his comment on the survey [1]
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