IRC log of wcag2ict on 2012-08-28

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/08/28-wcag2ict-irc

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RRSAgent, make logs world

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Zakim, this will be 2428

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ok, trackbot; I see WAI_(WCAG2ICT)10:00AM scheduled to start now

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Meeting: WCAG2ICT Task Force Teleconference

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Date: 28 August 2012

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chair: Mike_Pluke

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scribe: Andi_Snow-Weaver

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scribenick: Andi

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topic: 2.4.5 Multiple Ways

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https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/AUG242012/

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zakim, who is on the phone?

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WAI_(WCAG2ICT)10:00AM has not yet started, Andi

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On IRC I see alex_, David, Zakim, RRSAgent, Kiran, Andi, Mike, BBailey, MaryJo, shadi, trackbot

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topic: Glossary Terms - Part 2

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https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/GLOSSARY2/results

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Hi. I'm having trouble connecting to SIP. If I don't succeed I won't be able to participate.

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s/Hi. I'm having trouble connecting to SIP. If I don't succeed I won't be able to participate.//

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RESOLUTION: idiom, image of text, jargon, legal commitments, live, lower secondary education level, media alternative for text, navigated sequentially, non-text content, paused, prerecorded, presentation, primary education level, and pure decoration apply as is to non-Web ICT

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q+

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+1 to Gregg

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topic: link purpose

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Zakim, Oracle has Peter_Korn

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sorry, korn, I do not recognize a party named 'Oracle'

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RESOLUTION: link purpose applies to non-Web ICT as is

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topic: mechanism

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zakim, this is WAI_(WCAG2ICT)

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ok, Judy; that matches WAI_(WCAG2ICT)10:00AM

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zakim, who's here?

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On the phone I see Bruce_Bailey, David_MacDonald, Andi_Snow_Weaver, ??P6, MaryJo, Kiran, [Microsoft], Gregg_Vanderheiden, Judy, [Oracle]

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On IRC I see janina, korn, Judy, greggvanderheiden, alex_, David, Zakim, RRSAgent, Kiran, Andi, Mike, BBailey, MaryJo, shadi, trackbot

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q+

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zakim, [Microsoft] is Alex_Li

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+Alex_Li; got it

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zakim, ??P6 is Mike_Pluke

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+Mike_Pluke; got it

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zakim, [Oracle] has Peter_Korn

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+Peter_Korn; got it

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zakim, who is on the phone?

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On the phone I see Bruce_Bailey, David_MacDonald, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Mike_Pluke, MaryJo, Kiran, Alex_Li, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Judy, [Oracle]

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[Oracle] has Peter_Korn

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put Gregg's proposal for "user agent" along with mechanism on the next survey

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may need to revisit 4.1.2 because it doesn't work with the proposed user agent definition

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proposed definition includes "platforms"

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q+

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topic: on a full-screen window

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ack gregg

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definition is scoped to laptops and desktops, can't expand to other types of devices even though it might be a good thing to do

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ack korn

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definition is only used in 1.4.8 which is only used in a AAA SC so we can defer it for now

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s/definition is only used in 1.4.8 which is only used in a AAA SC so we can defer it for now/definition is only used in 1.4.8 which is a AAA SC so we can defer it for now/

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RESOLUTION: "on a full-screen window" applies to non-Web ICT as is

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topic: real-time event

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q+

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ack gregg

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substitution of our definition of "content" doesn't make sense

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q+

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ack alex

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RESOLUTION: real-time events applies to non-Web ICT

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action: Gregg to ask WCAG to add examples to WCAG INTENT for 2.2.1 Timing Adjustable, 2.2.2 Pause, Stop, Hide, and 2.2.3 No Timing per his comment on the survey

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topic: informative and normative

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q+

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zakim, who is on the queue?

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RESOLUTION: "informative" and "normative" apply to non-Web ICT as is

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topic: 2.4.5 Multiple Ways

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https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/AUG242012/results

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/28-wcag2ict-minutes.html Andi

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/28-wcag2ict-minutes.html Andi

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/28-wcag2ict-minutes.html Andi

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q+

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if we require all of the documents to have links back to the member that has all of the links, then it makes anything that meets the definition would automatically meet the SC

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ack alex

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fundamental difference between documents and web pages

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documents are created separately and meant to be distributed separately

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web pages are meant to be included in a website where there is a navigation structure for navigating among the pages of a site

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q+

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proposal q-

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q-

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s/proposal q-//

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proposal that the documents linked "to" must also link back in order to be recognized as part of the set

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q+

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q+

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ack alex

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topic: Action Items

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http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG2ICT-TF/track/actions/open

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action-24: only relevant to the few SC that have "set of web pages" and is related to discussion on conformance

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action-29: Andi just has to close with Pierce

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/28-wcag2ict-minutes.html Andi

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s/+1 to Gregg/

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s/+1 to Gregg//

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/28-wcag2ict-minutes.html Andi

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s|s/+1 to Gregg//||

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/28-wcag2ict-minutes.html Andi

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present: Mike_Pluke, Andi_Snow-Weaver, Mary_Jo_Mueller, Judy_Brewer, Gregg_Vanderheiden, David_MacDonald, Peter_Korn, Bruce_Bailey, Alex_Li, Kiran_Kaja

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regrets: Loïc_Martínez_Normand

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/28-wcag2ict-minutes.html Andi

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sdefinition is only used in 1.4.8 which is a AAA SC so we can defer it for now/definition is only used in 1.4.8 which is a AAA SC so we could defer it for now/

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/28-wcag2ict-minutes.html Andi

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s/definition is only used in 1.4.8 which is a AAA SC so we can defer it for now/definition is only used in 1.4.8 which is a AAA SC so we could defer it for now/

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s|sdefinition is only used in 1.4.8 which is a AAA SC so we can defer it for now/definition is only used in 1.4.8 which is a AAA SC so we could defer it for now/||

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/28-wcag2ict-minutes.html Andi

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q?

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zakim, who's making noise?

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zakim, mute Kiran

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zakim, are you there?

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q+

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q?

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+??P2

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-??P2

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zakim who is talking?

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I see Andi on the speaker queue

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-Andi_Snow_Weaver

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-Alex_Li

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-David_MacDonald

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-MaryJo

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-Gregg_Vanderheiden

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-Mike_Pluke

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-Bruce_Bailey

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-[Oracle]

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-Judy

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disconnecting the lone participant, Kiran, in WAI_(WCAG2ICT)10:00AM

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WAI_(WCAG2ICT)10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were David_MacDonald, Bruce_Bailey, Andi_Snow_Weaver, MaryJo, Kiran, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Judy, Alex_Li, Mike_Pluke, Peter_Korn

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sorry, Judy, I don't know what conference this is

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sorry, Judy, I don't know what conference this is

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I don't understand your question, Judy.

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trackbot, end meeting

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Zakim, list attendees

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sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is

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RRSAgent, please draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/28-wcag2ict-minutes.html trackbot

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RRSAgent, bye

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I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/08/28-wcag2ict-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: Gregg to ask WCAG to add examples to WCAG INTENT for 2.2.1 Timing Adjustable, 2.2.2 Pause, Stop, Hide, and 2.2.3 No Timing per his comment on the survey [1]

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