IRC log of ldp on 2012-08-27

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/08/27-ldp-irc
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RRSAgent, make logs public
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Zakim, this will be LDP
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Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
13:57:50 [trackbot]
Date: 27 August 2012
13:57:51 [Zakim]
ok, trackbot; I see SW_LDP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
13:58:15 [oberger]
don't get upset, no one's available ;)
13:58:19 [Zakim]
SW_LDP()10:00AM has now started
13:58:26 [Zakim]
+sandro
13:58:38 [sandro]
hmmm?
13:58:51 [Yves]
no call this week, no?
13:59:01 [Zakim]
+??P7
13:59:10 [Zakim]
+??P6
13:59:39 [sandro]
Yes call this week. There was an agenda, plus it was in the minutes of last week and it's in the channel title.....!
14:00:04 [sandro]
sandro has changed the topic to: next LDP meeting 27-August-2012 AGENDA: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2012.08.27
14:00:06 [Yves]
ok, thanks (I don't see the channel title, and am lagging on email)
14:00:13 [oberger]
Zakim, ??P6 is me
14:00:13 [Zakim]
+oberger; got it
14:00:23 [Zakim]
+[IBM]
14:00:31 [SteveS]
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14:00:47 [MacTed]
Zakim, code?
14:00:47 [Zakim]
the conference code is 53794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), MacTed
14:00:53 [Zakim]
+OpenLink_Software
14:00:56 [Ruben]
Hi all, I won't be able to participate on the phone (traveling), but I will be on IRC.
14:01:04 [MacTed]
Zakim, OpenLink_Software has me
14:01:04 [Zakim]
+MacTed; got it
14:01:06 [MacTed]
Zakim, mute me
14:01:06 [Zakim]
sorry, MacTed, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
14:01:12 [Zakim]
-??P7
14:01:12 [MacTed]
Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
14:01:12 [Zakim]
+MacTed; got it
14:01:16 [MacTed]
Zakim, mute me
14:01:16 [Zakim]
MacTed should now be muted
14:01:19 [SteveS]
Zakim, [IBM] is me
14:01:19 [Zakim]
+SteveS; got it
14:01:46 [oberger]
Zakim, mute me
14:01:46 [Zakim]
oberger should now be muted
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hi
14:02:46 [Zakim]
+Arthur_Keen
14:02:50 [Zakim]
+??P21
14:02:55 [oberger]
ouch
14:03:02 [oberger]
hello Dr larsen
14:03:07 [MacTed]
Zakim, who's noisy?
14:03:08 [AndyS]
zakim, ??P21 is me
14:03:08 [Zakim]
+AndyS; got it
14:03:18 [Zakim]
MacTed, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds
14:03:33 [MacTed]
Zakim, who's noisy?
14:03:43 [Zakim]
MacTed, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds
14:03:46 [oberger]
SteveS: or from a plane
14:04:03 [Zakim]
+ +1.510.698.aaaa
14:04:04 [Zakim]
+ +1.617.324.aabb
14:04:15 [AndyS]
zakim, mute me
14:04:15 [Zakim]
AndyS should now be muted
14:04:23 [AndyS]
zakim, unmute me
14:04:23 [Zakim]
AndyS should no longer be muted
14:04:29 [oberger]
ah
14:04:52 [bblfish]
Zakim, who is here?
14:04:52 [Zakim]
On the phone I see sandro, oberger (muted), SteveS, MacTed (muted), Arthur_Keen, AndyS, +1.510.698.aaaa, Yves
14:04:54 [Zakim]
MacTed has MacTed
14:04:54 [Zakim]
On IRC I see bblfish, SteveS, Zakim, RRSAgent, AndyS, Ruben, MacTed, betehess, LeeF, oberger, trackbot, sandro, Yves, ericP
14:05:22 [bblfish]
Zakim, aaaa is bblfish
14:05:22 [Zakim]
+bblfish; got it
14:05:26 [bblfish]
Zakim, who is here?
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On the phone I see sandro, oberger (muted), SteveS, MacTed (muted), Arthur_Keen, AndyS, bblfish, Yves
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MacTed has MacTed
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On IRC I see Arnaud, bblfish, SteveS, Zakim, RRSAgent, AndyS, Ruben, MacTed, betehess, LeeF, oberger, trackbot, sandro, Yves, ericP
14:05:43 [Zakim]
+Arnaud
14:05:51 [oberger]
Hi Arnaud
14:06:16 [ericP]
regrets: on stage
14:07:15 [bblfish]
was there a conf call last week?
14:07:33 [oberger]
summer time is hard time to stay focused
14:07:59 [sandro]
Yes, bblfish
14:08:10 [bblfish]
ah, I thought it was every two weeks in summer
14:08:55 [oberger]
texting via REST APIs while driving ? booh
14:09:32 [Zakim]
+ +44.754.550.aacc
14:10:49 [oberger]
Zakim, unmute me
14:10:49 [Zakim]
oberger should no longer be muted
14:11:36 [sandro]
scribe: SteveS
14:11:50 [SteveS]
scribenick: SteveS
14:12:18 [Zakim]
+??P32
14:12:30 [BartvanLeeuwen]
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14:12:33 [SteveS]
Topic: Minutes from 22 August 2012
14:12:45 [oberger]
nope
14:12:49 [SteveBattle]
zakim, ??P32 is me
14:12:49 [Zakim]
+SteveBattle; got it
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Arnaud asks if anyone has read minutes…no response
14:13:14 [bblfish]
I still have to do my action item
14:13:25 [sandro]
action-4?
14:13:25 [trackbot]
ACTION-4 -- Steve Speicher to review SPARQL Graph Store Protocol and suggest how we should move forward with it -- due 2012-09-03 -- OPEN
14:13:25 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/4
14:13:50 [SteveS]
Topic: SteveS slacking on ACTION-4
14:14:04 [SteveS]
SteveS to get to in next week or so
14:14:25 [SteveS]
Topic: Action reviews
14:15:00 [oberger]
reminder : no meeting next week (Labour day in the US)
14:15:01 [SteveS]
bblfish will get to action-5
14:15:41 [SteveS]
No update on ACTION-6, Michael had sent regrets for today
14:16:33 [SteveS]
Topic: Upcoming meetings
14:16:35 [SteveS]
Arnaud: Next telecon is in 2 weeks, September 10
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sandro: looked into f2f room sizings for larger group, need WG members to actually register
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14:18:14 [SteveS]
…can get a bigger room if registration counts are high enough
14:18:35 [Zakim]
+??P33
14:18:44 [SteveS]
sandro: recommends attending Wed sessions, many find it very valuable
14:18:51 [BartvanLeeuwen]
:)
14:18:59 [ghard]
zakim, P33 is ghard
14:18:59 [Zakim]
sorry, ghard, I do not recognize a party named 'P33'
14:19:16 [sandro]
Zakim, ??P33 is ghard
14:19:16 [Zakim]
+ghard; got it
14:19:23 [ghard]
Excuses for being late. Got network stability problems.
14:19:25 [SteveS]
…costs about $50 USD / day for F2F
14:19:53 [Zakim]
+Kalpa
14:20:01 [SteveS]
??? asked bblfish if room or something planned for f2f with WebID
14:20:15 [oberger]
SteveS: ??? was me
14:20:34 [SteveS]
s/???/oberger/
14:20:37 [sandro]
€45 until the close of registration (16 October 2012)
14:21:01 [SteveS]
Topic: Use Cases and Requirements structure
14:21:15 [oberger]
Zakim, mute me
14:21:15 [Zakim]
oberger should now be muted
14:21:16 [bblfish]
So I am looking to organise a meeting for WebID and RWW Community Groups at TPAC Lyon, but we are still looking to see if we can get a room.
14:21:16 [SteveS]
This is topic ACTION-9
14:21:36 [bblfish]
But otherwise I will look to see if we can organise something anyway in Lyon.
14:22:11 [SteveS]
Here's the proposal http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2012Aug/0137.html
14:22:39 [SteveS]
Arnaud: positive comments from a number looking to hear if any other feedback
14:23:10 [SteveS]
SteveBattle: has updated the wiki to take into account this change
14:23:25 [sandro]
http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Use_Cases_And_Requirements
14:23:49 [SteveS]
namely changing Use Cases to User Stories, in prep for collecting use cases
14:24:38 [oberger]
SteveS: /me added the link to the action in https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/9
14:24:57 [BartvanLeeuwen]
q+
14:25:17 [SteveS]
…plan is to expand on the User Stories, then pull out the more detailed Use Cases and the more detailed Requirements
14:25:22 [Arnaud]
ack bart
14:25:45 [SteveS]
BartvanLeeuwen: Are the use cases/stories still open for contributions?
14:26:00 [SteveS]
SteveBattle: Yes
14:26:05 [bblfish]
good so I suppose my action item should be a user story
14:26:09 [bblfish]
or integrated with one
14:26:55 [SteveS]
SteveBattle: Assumes these will be very "CRUDy" based on the scope of this WG
14:28:09 [SteveS]
ACTION: SteveBattle to Create at least one Use Case by next meeting due 9/10/2012
14:28:09 [trackbot]
Sorry, couldn't find user - SteveBattle
14:29:09 [SteveS]
Arnaud: proposed to close action-9
14:29:19 [SteveS]
close action-9
14:29:19 [trackbot]
ACTION-9 Propose a new structure for the Use Cases and Requirements document closed
14:29:47 [Arnaud]
q?
14:30:20 [SteveS]
SteveBattle: SteveS and Michael (not on call) are interested in developing out the use cases more?
14:30:23 [SteveS]
SteveS: Yes
14:31:32 [SteveS]
Topic: Serialization format discussion and process
14:32:25 [SteveS]
Arnaud: how does the process work for raising issues, like serialization format, and get reviewed and agreed on
14:33:15 [SteveS]
sandro: someone raises (creates) an issue in the system, it goes into a pending state, then the WG decides if they accept the issue (something they will work on or valid) and it becomes open
14:33:26 [SteveS]
…the WG then works on a resolution
14:35:09 [Zakim]
-Arthur_Keen
14:35:14 [SteveS]
Arnaud: believes that by definition of our charter and references to member submission, then we can start with that and open issues from there and get WG agreement
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+RezaBfar
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+ArthurK
14:36:49 [Arnaud]
q?
14:36:57 [bblfish]
q+
14:37:00 [MacTed]
Zakim, unmute me
14:37:00 [Zakim]
MacTed should no longer be muted
14:37:03 [SteveBattle]
q+
14:37:07 [RezaBFar]
@Arnaud - sorry I'm late...
14:37:16 [SteveS]
Arnaud: need to make sure the work we do with perhaps a more abstract model then we need to make sure we map it back to RDF model
14:37:23 [MacTed]
q+
14:37:46 [oberger]
bblfish: ?
14:38:00 [bblfish]
http://webid.info/spec/
14:38:48 [RezaBFar]
q+
14:39:13 [SteveS]
bblfish: Expressed my thoughts on this and around the WebID spec. Did require a publish to N3 and clients understand both N3 and RDF/XML
14:39:31 [bblfish]
GRDDL
14:39:36 [bblfish]
XSPARQL
14:39:51 [SteveS]
…would like to add that there is a requirement to support GRDDL for expressing what is supported
14:40:19 [Arnaud]
ack bblfish
14:40:42 [SteveS]
…it is not reasonable to convert some forms not into RDF
14:41:06 [SteveS]
q+
14:41:23 [Arnaud]
ack SteveBattle
14:41:58 [bblfish]
I think turtle is also a standard now http://www.w3.org/TR/turtle/
14:41:58 [RezaBFar]
+1 to SteveBattle. That's exactly what I'm looking for.
14:42:04 [SteveS]
SteveBattle: +1 for openness of serialization of RDF models, would like to support at least one. RDF/XML is reasonable as only W3C Rec spec, perhaps we have at least 1 minimum required
14:42:27 [SteveS]
…server could expose what it supports
14:42:41 [AndyS]
N3 goes beyond RDF - to be clear here, lets stick to the (soon to be) standard turtle.
14:43:05 [AndyS]
N-triples will also be standardised by RDF-WG.
14:43:25 [Ruben]
There's no advantage in this scenario to N3 instead of Turtle.
14:43:31 [SteveS]
MacTed: says that Arnaud mentioned limit options, but believes we need to be more open to extensibility
14:43:34 [SteveBattle]
That's interesting - I didn't know N3 went beyond RDF.
14:43:43 [Ruben]
N3 adds quantification and variables.
14:44:01 [RezaBFar]
So, I think there is 3 things: 1. Some standard query as part of the spec that provides format (so serialization format discovery) 2. Allowance for implementation of serialization of other formats. 3. Implementing at least 2 formats, 1 of which is RDF/XML, the other which we could agree on as a team.
14:44:38 [SteveS]
MacTed: resource creation (POST) is that a server can chose to reject or handle that request as needed (transform or handle as is)
14:44:40 [MacTed]
ack me
14:44:45 [oberger]
MacTed: I didn't get your concern abouut RDF+XML...
14:44:53 [oberger]
would like to see a transcript
14:45:02 [SteveBattle]
What can't be encoded in RDF/XML?
14:45:13 [oberger]
SteveBattle: that one yes
14:45:31 [AndyS]
Properties with URIs that aren't representable as qnames e.g. http://example/1234
14:46:16 [SteveS]
Arnaud: not against building an extensible spec but more on the point when there are too many options to achieve same/similar things
14:46:26 [Arnaud]
q?
14:46:28 [AndyS]
and http://example/property# and a few other cases. Tend to be unusual but can be tricky at scale if it gets into the data.
14:46:43 [Arnaud]
ack Reza
14:47:16 [oberger]
RezaBFar: what problem ?
14:47:24 [SteveS]
RezaBFar: Agrees with SteveBattle, doesn't see the need to limit to RDF/XML and have additional format
14:47:34 [oberger]
verbosity ?
14:47:56 [SteveS]
….XML processing has some overhead and should consider less-verbose options for efficiency
14:48:12 [Arnaud]
q?
14:48:22 [oberger]
JSON-LD would be very much appealing to all the Web2 devs
14:48:32 [oberger]
YAML ? ;)
14:48:48 [sandro]
oberger, more appealing than RDF/XML or than Turtle?
14:49:05 [oberger]
sandro: people who do native JS ? probably
14:49:19 [sandro]
s/sandro:/sandro,/
14:49:26 [MacTed]
concern with RDF/XML: cannot serialize all RDF ... as AndyS says. see http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/diagrams/n3/venn
14:49:50 [Arnaud]
q?
14:49:57 [sandro]
oberger, I was asking an (a) or (b) question, but I guess your answer is "both".
14:50:19 [oberger]
sandro: sure, both : no extra parsing
14:50:22 [bblfish]
So to summarise my point earlier:
14:50:22 [bblfish]
1. Turtle ( http://www.w3.org/TR/turtle/ ) or RDFxml perhaps a SHOULD ( on the http://webid.info/spec/ Turtle, RDFa, RDFxml were made MUST understand by client -- Turtle, RDFxml should be sent by server )
14:50:22 [bblfish]
2. Other formats should be supported but there should be a follow your nose to a GRDDL http://www.w3.org/TR/grddl/ so that one can automatically transforrm it to RDF graphs
14:50:24 [bblfish]
3. there is a complicating issue as this LDP requires PUT & POST which means that the server does need to be able to understand the formats sent.
14:50:25 [Arnaud]
ack SteveS
14:50:26 [bblfish]
4. there will be some form of Graph query which will require that the format be queryable as a graph
14:50:32 [SteveS]
ISSUE: Determine minimum serialization format for RDF data model
14:50:32 [trackbot]
Created ISSUE-1 - Determine minimum serialization format for RDF data model ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/1/edit .
14:50:34 [RezaBFar]
Question: so now that it's an issue, what's next?
14:50:39 [sandro]
s/sandro:/sandro,/
14:50:53 [RezaBFar]
@Arnaud - how do we resolve the issue since it's a significant issue.
14:50:57 [AndyS]
(caution - that diagram is confusion - Turtle can express any RDF - the reification point is not the point - it's old special syntax)
14:51:42 [oberger]
we can move on when everybody's back from vacation more or less ?
14:51:45 [RezaBFar]
@Arnaud - Makes sense. Thanks for the clarification.
14:52:05 [SteveS]
Arnaud: answering RezaBFar, need to have a proposal and reach consensus on the issue and record it
14:53:02 [SteveS]
sandro: can be good collect more facts on the matter and may need to get to point where just need to pick one
14:53:09 [RezaBFar]
@sandro - thanks.
14:53:30 [Arnaud]
q?
14:53:30 [RezaBFar]
Sandro's opinion?
14:53:47 [oberger]
next in 2 weeks ?
14:53:47 [RezaBFar]
on RDF/XML, etc.? Sandro was saying something?
14:54:02 [SteveS]
Arnaud: any other agenda items?
14:54:38 [oberger]
sandro, my suggestion on JSON-LD is purely speculative
14:54:41 [SteveS]
sandro: is a big win in mental clarity on a simple format but think still open in my mind if JSON-LD meets that
14:55:45 [SteveS]
sandro: if I had to pick something right now, it would be Turtle but may be things I'm forgetting about RDF/XML
14:56:17 [MacTed]
q+
14:57:03 [BartvanLeeuwen]
+1 to bblfish remarks to JSON-LD remark
14:57:09 [SteveS]
bblfish: Wonder if there is anything around efficiency with XML binary formats that apply with RDF/XML
14:57:35 [RezaBFar]
FWIW, I agree with Sandro on Turtle.
14:58:25 [MacTed]
... s/JSON-GRDDL/JSON-LD/
14:58:33 [SteveS]
bblfish: question to JSON people, when you publish in json-grddl can be represented as any tree as root of graph and could it confuse them?
14:59:03 [MacTed]
Zakim, unmute me
14:59:03 [Zakim]
MacTed was not muted, MacTed
14:59:45 [sandro]
q?
14:59:52 [sandro]
q+ to propose strawpoll
14:59:58 [SteveS]
MacTed: was in JSON-LD group, started as a way to get JSON people who are using structured data in a more interoperable ways based on RDF concepts
15:00:23 [AndyS]
q+
15:00:46 [SteveS]
MacTed: for some similar implementations Turtle makes it very easy but lacks some of the RDF concepts, as linked to before
15:00:46 [oberger]
Turtle is great to read by humans, discovering specs, but in all languages ?
15:01:01 [Arnaud]
ack Ted
15:01:08 [MacTed]
ack me
15:01:08 [bblfish]
+1 for Turtle as base, easier to understand
15:01:20 [sandro]
STRAWPOLL: Which one RDF serialization should we pick as our 1-required-serialization, if we had to pick one today? (eg rdf/xml, turtle, json-ld, RDFa, or NONE)
15:01:24 [AndyS]
Turtle can express any RDF.
15:01:26 [sandro]
turtle
15:01:27 [RezaBFar]
Turtle
15:01:28 [bblfish]
+1 Turtle
15:01:29 [BartvanLeeuwen]
Turtle
15:01:29 [oberger]
RDF+XML
15:01:32 [MacTed]
Turtle
15:01:33 [AndyS]
Turtle
15:01:37 [ArthurK]
turtle
15:01:39 [oberger]
for implementation
15:01:41 [SteveS]
sandro: straw man poll of preferred RDF serialization
15:01:43 [SteveBattle]
(turtle and rdf/XML)
15:01:43 [SteveS]
Turtle
15:01:52 [Kalpa]
rdf/XML
15:01:58 [RezaBFar]
So, I meant (Turtle and RDF/XML)
15:02:00 [MacTed]
AndyS - any chance you can rework that Venn with current status? possibly including JSON-LD?
15:02:14 [MacTed]
there may be other serializations that didn't exist when it was drawn that should also be added in...
15:02:29 [bblfish]
well rdf/xml would be a SHOULD
15:02:35 [oberger]
which libs are turtle compatible ?
15:02:50 [Arnaud]
ack sandro
15:02:50 [Zakim]
sandro, you wanted to propose strawpoll
15:03:04 [Arnaud]
andy?
15:03:32 [Arnaud]
ack andy
15:03:34 [SteveS]
AndyS: found the diagram was someones opinion for a long time ago and not right
15:03:41 [SteveS]
sando: agrees
15:03:48 [SteveS]
MacTed: would like to see it updated
15:03:52 [oberger]
bye
15:03:52 [Zakim]
-bblfish
15:03:54 [SteveBattle]
bye
15:03:56 [BartvanLeeuwen]
thanks and bye
15:03:56 [Zakim]
-RezaBfar
15:03:56 [bblfish]
bye
15:03:57 [ghard]
bye
15:03:58 [Zakim]
-Arnaud
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bye
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-Yves
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-MacTed
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-SteveBattle
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-AndyS
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-SteveS
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-sandro
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-ghard
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-oberger
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- +44.754.550.aacc
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-ArthurK
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-Kalpa
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SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended
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Attendees were sandro, oberger, MacTed, SteveS, Arthur_Keen, AndyS, +1.510.698.aaaa, +1.617.324.aabb, Yves, bblfish, Arnaud, +44.754.550.aacc, SteveBattle, ghard, Kalpa, RezaBfar,
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... ArthurK
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15:04:49 [sandro]
MacTed, note that http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/diagrams/n3/venn is about expressibility, not RDF. Full N3 and SPARQL WHERE include lots of things that are not, and never will be, RDF.
15:04:50 [SteveS]
rssagent, generate minutes
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15:06:11 [SteveS]
RRSAgent, generate minutes
15:06:11 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/27-ldp-minutes.html SteveS
15:08:03 [oberger]
sandro: well, maybe a localization thing ?
15:08:15 [sandro]
SteveS, are you happy with http://www.w3.org/2008/06/wiki_scribe/?source=http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Chatlog_2012-08-27 ?
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15:08:52 [sandro]
oberger, more likely a setting I changed and forgot.
15:09:05 [oberger]
sandro: same with LANG=C xchat
15:09:20 [sandro]
the problem is I want comma when I'm not scribing and colon when I am scribing.
15:09:59 [SteveS]
sandro, that would going to be my question if you were trying to change my scribe entries
15:10:19 [oberger]
sandro, indeed, a preferences setting :-)
15:10:33 [oberger]
well, I'll know what to do when in the next meeting
15:10:34 [SteveS]
sandro, I'm fairly "happy"….guess I need to hack the few errors noted in there
15:11:23 [sandro]
:-)
15:11:50 [MacTed]
sandro - yes, I understand that the VENN is about what can be expressed in each serialization. as has been noted, it was drawn a long time ago, and no longer (if it ever did) accurately depicts the differences between the serializations. I think redrawing it with explicit focus on "how much of `All RDF` can be expressed in/with this serialization?" including new serializations (e.g., JSDON-LD) and updates of old (e.g., Turtle)
15:11:50 [MacTed]
would be useful.
15:12:53 [sandro]
MacTed, my understanding is there's no need, as Turtle, RDFa, JSON-LD and N-Triples can all express all of RDF. RDF/XML lacks a few bits that no one should ever put in their RDF anyway.
15:13:09 [oberger]
s/RDF/RDF+XML/
15:14:08 [oberger]
anyway... what's the ETA for implementations ? ;)
15:15:52 [MacTed]
1999 ;-)
15:20:15 [AndyS]
The current RDF-WG has no plans to change RDF/XML.
15:20:35 [AndyS]
(roughly - no one wants to touch it!)
15:20:59 [MacTed]
I suppose the need I see for updating the VENN is that leaving it as is promotes continued incorrect understanding.
15:22:00 [MacTed]
granted, it's no longer live-displayed in the N3 design issue ... but it's relatively well known and still live if you know to look for it
15:23:17 [oberger]
http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=RDF+Turtle&word2=RDF+XML :-)
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19:23:59 [MacTed]
http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=RDF+Turtle&word2=%22RDF%2FXML%22
19:24:47 [MacTed]
strange how Google doesn't count `"RDF/XML"` in the same way as it does `RDF XML`...
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