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13:53:27 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_(WCAG2ICT)10:00AM scheduled to start in 7 minutes
13:53:28 <trackbot> Meeting: WCAG2ICT Task Force Teleconference
13:53:28 <trackbot> Date: 17 August 2012
13:53:37 <Andi> chair: Andi_Snow-Weaver
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13:58:50 <Zakim> +Al_Hoffman
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14:00:32 <Zakim> +Andi_Snow_Weaver
14:00:42 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
14:00:48 <Andi> zakim, ??P1 is Mike_Pluke
14:00:48 <Zakim> +Mike_Pluke; got it
14:00:55 <Zakim> +[Oracle]
14:01:01 <Andi> zakim, [Microsoft] has Alex_Li
14:01:01 <Zakim> +Alex_Li; got it
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14:01:15 <Andi> zakim, [Oracle] has Peter_Korn
14:01:16 <Zakim> +Peter_Korn; got it
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14:02:04 <korn> Sorry; my connection dropped.
14:02:47 <Zakim> -[Oracle]
14:02:52 <Zakim> +Bruce_Bailey
14:02:55 <shadi> zakim, mute
14:02:55 <Zakim> I don't understand 'mute', shadi
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14:03:37 <Andi> scribe: MaryJo
14:03:48 <Andi> zakim, ??P5 is Janina_Sajka
14:03:48 <Zakim> +Janina_Sajka; got it
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14:03:50 <korn> Zakim, Oracle has Peter_Korn
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14:03:51 <Zakim> +Peter_Korn; got it
14:04:35 <Andi> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/AUG172012/results
14:04:38 <Zakim> +Gregg_Vanderheiden
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14:05:23 <MaryJo> topic: Language of Page (3.1.1) https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/AUG172012/results#xq1
14:05:50 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald
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14:09:18 <MaryJo> The last few words could be misunderstood, so a note could make it clearer. 
14:09:58 <Andi> action: Mike to make a proposal for a note to be added to 3.1.1 guidance to clarify the meaning of the last phrase "in that locale/language"
14:09:59 <trackbot> Created ACTION-48 - Make a proposal for a note to be added to 3.1.1 guidance to clarify the meaning of the last phrase "in that locale/language" [on Mike Pluke - due 2012-08-24].
14:11:50 <MaryJo> If we don't have the language fixed by the next public draft of our document, we could ask reviewers to comment on whether they understand it.
14:13:06 <MaryJo> resolution: Accept WCAG working group amendment to 3.1.1 as written.
14:13:46 <MaryJo> topic: Language of Parts (3.1.2) https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/AUG172012/results#xq2
14:15:13 <Mike> q+
14:15:16 <MaryJo> There is some concern about agencies trying to require this because many document types and software applications don't support this feature.
14:16:29 <Mike> q-
14:19:12 <MaryJo> The same is true of the Web because there are browsers that do not follow the UAIG.
14:20:21 <MaryJo> We can't say that if the technology doesn't support it, then don't require it. We should just provide the requirement/measurement.
14:21:23 <MaryJo> RESOLUTION: Accept WCAG working group amendment to 3.1.2 as written.
14:21:49 <MaryJo> topic: Guidance on applying the term "content"   https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/AUG172012/results#xq3
14:24:58 <greggvanderheiden> q+
14:25:25 <Mike> q+
14:26:07 <Andi> ack gregg
14:27:49 <Zakim> -Al_Hoffman
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14:29:08 <Andi> ack mike
14:32:52 <MaryJo> Suggestion was made that we remove 'by means of ICT' from the replacement phrase.
14:34:06 <korn> q+
14:34:20 <MaryJo> Another suggestion was made to include a definition of content in our document that takes the WCAG definition and removing the phrase 'by means of a user agent'.
14:34:23 <Mike> +1
14:34:48 <BBailey> +1
14:34:48 <Andi> ack korn
14:36:12 <janina> Peter is also providing a distinction between captions and subtitles.
14:37:30 <MaryJo> Jumping ahead a little for audio content SC's and captioning. The 'information and sensory experience to be communicated to the user' is broader than what is typically put into the caption.  
14:37:56 <Andi> definition of content: information and sensory experience to be communicated to the user
14:38:11 <Zakim> +Al_Hoffman
14:39:44 <MaryJo> RESOLUTION: Accept definition of content = information and sensory experience to be communicated to the user.
14:42:13 <MaryJo> RESOLUTION: Remove guidance on "content" from 4 SC where it's current included and discuss content definition used in "Understanding Key Terms" in the Introduction. 
14:43:41 <korn> q+
14:43:58 <MaryJo> topic: Resize Text (1.4.4) - use of "content" in our guidance   
14:44:01 <MaryJo> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/AUG172012/results#xq4
14:44:19 <Andi> Content for which there is at least one software player, viewer or editor with a 200 percent zoom feature would automatically meet this success criterion when used with such players, unless the [content] will not work with zoom.
14:44:56 <Andi> ack korn
14:47:35 <greggvanderheiden> Content for which there are software players, viewers or editors with a 200 percent zoom feature would automatically meet this success criterion when used with such players, unless the [content] will not work with zoom.
14:48:05 <greggvanderheiden> that is peter's proposal from the meeting
14:49:10 <Andi> replace 2nd paragraph of 1.4.4 guidance with "Content for which there are software players, viewers or editors with a 200 percent zoom feature would automatically meet this success criterion when used with such players, unless the content will not work with zoom."
14:49:16 <MaryJo> RESOLUTION: Accept 2nd paragraph in 1.4.4 with Content for which there are software players, viewers or editors with a 200 percent zoom feature would automatically meet this success criterion when used with such players, unless the content will not work with zoom.
14:49:33 <MaryJo> topic: Action items
14:49:35 <Andi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG2ICT-TF/track/actions/open
14:49:58 <Andi> close action-45
14:49:58 <trackbot> ACTION-45 Revisit success criteria when addressing the term "content" closed
14:54:14 <MaryJo> Action 24: 'Web page' and 'sets of web pages' still need a consistent replacement.  Interaction context could help with those, but there's still difficulty with that term.
14:54:14 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 24
14:54:25 <greggvanderheiden> Q+
14:54:46 <Andi> interaction context - one way to solve the problem of web page being used in  comformance is to allow reporting on each SC instead of just binary compliance with WCAG
14:55:23 <Mike> q+
14:55:43 <Andi> ack gregg
14:55:45 <MaryJo> On Action 24, 'Web page' and 'sets of web pages' still need a consistent replacement.  Interaction context could help with those, but there's still difficulty with that term.
14:56:31 <korn> q+
14:56:58 <MaryJo> There are some SC, like the flashing content SC, where 'Web page' or 'sets of web pages' could just be removed from the SC and it makes sense.  It even makes the SC simpler.
14:59:28 <korn> +1 Andi
14:59:55 <MaryJo> For conformance, the detailed work isn't done yet, but it looks like the team is coming close to a solution with using a simple term.
15:02:33 <Andi> ack mike
15:04:46 <Andi> ack korn
15:04:51 <greggvanderheiden> q+
15:05:43 <Mike> +1
15:06:28 <MaryJo> When looking for a substitution Web page in a set of web pages - in those SC's it will probably work best if we are more broad in the word substitution.
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15:10:48 <Andi> ack gregg
15:10:48 <MaryJo> The SC's that have the process exception will also need some additional wording tweaks rather than just a straight word substitution.
15:11:11 <Andi> still on 24
15:11:12 <Mike> q+
15:11:23 <Andi> s/still on 24//
15:12:47 <korn> q?
15:12:51 <korn> q+ Al
15:12:53 <greggvanderheiden> q+
15:12:57 <Andi> ack mike
15:13:56 <Andi> ack Al
15:15:04 <Andi> ack gregg
15:16:00 <MaryJo> We aren't going to address conformance claims, just meeting conformance requirements.
15:16:50 <MaryJo> Testing is also something that won't be addressed by the group.  It is beyond our scope.
15:17:37 <Mike> I'll join too
15:18:40 <Andi> action: Gregg to work with Peter, Bruce, [Pierce], David, Mike, Kiran, Alex, and Andi to develop a proposal on conformance
15:18:40 <trackbot> Created ACTION-49 - Work with Peter, Bruce, [Pierce], David, Mike, Kiran, Alex, and Andi to develop a proposal on conformance [on Gregg Vanderheiden - due 2012-08-24].
15:21:48 <Andi> for action 36, https://sites.google.com/site/wcag2ict/cross-cutting-issues-and-notes/software-ui-vs-software-aspects-of-products
15:22:39 <Andi> https://sites.google.com/site/wcag2ict/cross-cutting-issues-and-notes/which-term-where
15:22:56 <Mike> q+
15:24:17 <MaryJo> For action 36, the information we covered at the last meeting is what came out of that work.  However, there is no consistent term that we are using for software. If we use software at the conformance level, it makes sense to use software elsewhere. However, there are still some SC's that 'software' doesn't work.  
15:26:07 <MaryJo> We need to wait for the conformance solution before surveying the SC's.  Targeting to have this ready for the Tuesday survey.
15:28:37 <Judy> q+
15:28:55 <Mike> q-
15:29:16 <Andi> action: Judy to coordinate with Shawn Henry to get updated input on Introduction
15:29:16 <trackbot> Created ACTION-50 - Coordinate with Shawn Henry to get updated input on Introduction [on Judy Brewer - due 2012-08-24].
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15:32:14 <Zakim> WAI_(WCAG2ICT)10:00AM has ended
15:32:17 <Zakim> Attendees were Al_Hoffman, Kiran, MaryJo, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Mike_Pluke, Alex_Li, Peter_Korn, Shadi, Bruce_Bailey, Janina_Sajka, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Judy, David_MacDonald
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15:37:21 <Andi> rrsagent, make minutes
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15:39:14 <Andi> regrets: Loïc_Martínez_Normand
15:41:33 <Andi> s/resolution: Accept WCAG working group amendment to 3.1.1 as written./RESOLUTION: Accept WCAG working group amendment to 3.1.1 as written./
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15:43:42 <Andi> s/ACTION: 24 to 'Web page' and 'sets of web pages' still need a consistent replacement. Interaction context could help with those, but there's still difficulty with that term.//
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15:44:58 <Andi> s|s/ACTION: 24 to 'Web page' and 'sets of web pages' still need a consistent replacement. Interaction context could help with those, but there's still difficulty with that term.//||
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15:47:39 <Andi> s/RESOLUTION: Accept 2nd paragraph in 1.4.4 with /RESOLUTION: Accept proposal #3 for 1.4.4 replacing 2nd paragraph with "/
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15:48:59 <Andi> s/unless the content will not work with zoom./unless the content will not work with zoom"./
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