IRC log of dap on 2012-08-15

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/08/15-dap-irc

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RRSAgent, make logs world

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Zakim, this will be DAP

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ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 50 minutes

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Meeting: Device APIs Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 15 August 2012

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0027.html

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Chair: Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch

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Present+ Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch

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Scribe: Josh_Soref

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RRSAgent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/15-dap-minutes.html Josh_Soref

13:22:01 [Josh_Soref]

RRSAgent, make logs public

13:25:57 [fjh]

t imderstamd. we javem

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s/O dpm//

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s/t imderstamd. we javem//

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UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started

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+Josh_Soref

13:58:37 [Josh_Soref]

Zakim, mute me

13:58:37 [Zakim]

sorry, Josh_Soref, muting is not permitted when only one person is present

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Jungkee has joined #dap

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+ +1.858.651.aaaa

13:59:46 [Josh_Soref]

Zakim, mute me

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Josh_Soref should now be muted

13:59:48 [Jungkee]

Present+ Jungkee_Song

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gmandyam has joined #dap

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+??P22

14:00:52 [Cathy]

Cathy has joined #dap

14:00:54 [fjh]

zakim, ??P22 is me

14:00:54 [Zakim]

+fjh; got it

14:01:00 [Josh_Soref]

RRSAgent, aaaa is Jungkee_Song

14:01:00 [RRSAgent]

I'm logging. I don't understand 'aaaa is Jungkee_Song', Josh_Soref. Try /msg RRSAgent help

14:01:08 [Josh_Soref]

Zakim, who is on the call?

14:01:08 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Josh_Soref (muted), +1.858.651.aaaa, fjh

14:01:13 [fjh]

s/Chair: Robin_Berjon,/Chair: /

14:01:15 [Zakim]

+??P24

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+ +1.781.266.aabb

14:01:26 [Cathy]

zakim, aabb is me

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+Cathy; got it

14:01:32 [Josh_Soref]

Zakim, where is +1858?

14:01:33 [Jungkee]

zakim, ??P24 is me

14:01:33 [Zakim]

North American dialing code 1.858 is California

14:01:33 [Zakim]

+Jungkee; got it

14:01:33 [gmandyam]

Hello from Giri Mandyam, Qualcomm Innovation Center

14:01:34 [fjh]

zakim, who is here?

14:01:34 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Josh_Soref (muted), +1.858.651.aaaa, fjh, Jungkee, Cathy

14:01:37 [Zakim]

On IRC I see Cathy, gmandyam, Jungkee, Zakim, RRSAgent, darobin, fjh, Josh_Soref, richt, hiroto_away, mounir, tobie, slightlyoff, trackbot, dom

14:01:50 [Josh_Soref]

Zakim, aaaa is gmandyam

14:01:50 [Zakim]

+gmandyam; got it

14:01:55 [Josh_Soref]

Zakim, mute Jungkee

14:01:55 [Zakim]

Jungkee should now be muted

14:02:02 [Josh_Soref]

Zakim, whois making noise

14:02:02 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'whois making noise', Josh_Soref

14:02:08 [Josh_Soref]

Zakim, who is making noise?

14:02:10 [fjh]

Regrets+ Robin_Berjon, Dave_Raggett

14:02:18 [Zakim]

Josh_Soref, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: fjh (14%)

14:03:34 [fjh]

Regrets+ Claes _Nilsson

14:05:56 [Josh_Soref]

Zakim, who is making noise?

14:06:08 [Zakim]

Josh_Soref, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds

14:06:27 [fjh]

zakim, who is here?

14:06:27 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Josh_Soref (muted), gmandyam, fjh, Jungkee (muted), Cathy

14:06:30 [Zakim]

On IRC I see Cathy, gmandyam, Jungkee, Zakim, RRSAgent, darobin, fjh, Josh_Soref, richt, hiroto_away, mounir, tobie, slightlyoff, trackbot, dom

14:08:08 [Josh_Soref]

Topic: Administrative

14:08:18 [Josh_Soref]

RRSAgent, draft minutes

14:08:18 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/15-dap-minutes.html Josh_Soref

14:08:20 [fjh]

"Ambient light events" FPWD published, http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-ambient-light-20120802/

14:08:29 [fjh]

Discussion of moving tests to Github, comments to public-test-infra@w3.org, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0021.html

14:09:18 [fjh]

concrete suggestion to use wg name and shortname, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0036.html

14:09:41 [Josh_Soref]

Topic: Minutes approval

14:09:49 [fjh]

Approve minutes from 25 July 2012

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/att-0019/minutes-2012-07-25.html

14:09:55 [Josh_Soref]

proposed RESOLUTION: Minutes from 25 July 2012 are approved.

14:10:02 [Josh_Soref]

RESOLUTION: Minutes from 25 July 2012 are approved.

14:10:06 [fjh]

Approve minutes from 1 August 2012

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/att-0018/minutes-2012-08-01.html

14:10:15 [Josh_Soref]

RESOLUTION: Minutes from 1 August 2012 are approved.

14:10:21 [Josh_Soref]

Topic: HTML Media Capture Last Call

14:10:25 [fjh]

Last Call Comments from "Protocols and Formats" WG, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0026.html

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http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-html-media-capture-20120712/

14:10:25 [fjh]

Last Call review period ended 9 August 2012

14:10:57 [Josh_Soref]

fjh: PF WG had a comment

14:11:06 [Josh_Soref]

... about what if the device isn't present

14:11:18 [Josh_Soref]

... we need to explicitly say fallback to file

14:11:21 [Josh_Soref]

q+ to debate

14:11:31 [Josh_Soref]

... we also don't say about security for turn on the mic

14:11:40 [Josh_Soref]

... i think it's implicit, and easily addressed

14:11:54 [Josh_Soref]

Zakim, ack me

14:11:54 [Zakim]

unmuting Josh_Soref

14:11:55 [Zakim]

Josh_Soref, you wanted to debate

14:11:55 [Zakim]

I see no one on the speaker queue

14:12:38 [Josh_Soref]

Josh_Soref: it shouldn't just fallback to <file>

14:12:56 [Josh_Soref]

... it should allow the UA to decide to let the user select another thing

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... such as providing a microphone input or a file

14:13:15 [Josh_Soref]

fjh: i agree,

14:13:19 [Josh_Soref]

... but we need to put something in the doc

14:13:27 [Josh_Soref]

Josh_Soref: yes, we need something for the doc

14:14:04 [fjh]

action: josh_soref to propose text for HTML Media Capture to allow for alternative capture device if specified device not available

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Sorry, couldn't find user - josh_soref

14:14:24 [fjh]

action: josh to propose text for HTML Media Capture to allow for alternative capture device if specified device not available

14:14:24 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-565 - Propose text for HTML Media Capture to allow for alternative capture device if specified device not available [on Josh Soref - due 2012-08-22].

14:14:38 [Josh_Soref]

Zakim, mute me

14:14:38 [Zakim]

Josh_Soref should now be muted

14:14:47 [fjh]

action: fjh to propose security text for HTML Media Capture to address LC comment

14:14:47 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-566 - Propose security text for HTML Media Capture to address LC comment [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2012-08-22].

14:15:09 [fjh]

Robin has action to enter LC comments into LC tracker

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but I can do it if useful

14:15:45 [Josh_Soref]

Topic: Networked Service Discovery and Messaging FPWD comments

14:15:56 [fjh]

"Networked Service Discovery and Messaging" FPWD published, http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-discovery-api-20120807/

14:15:57 [fjh]

General comments, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0016.html (Cathy)

14:15:57 [fjh]

UPnP-specific comments: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0017.html (Cathy)

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Additional general comments: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0025.html (Eyal)

14:15:57 [fjh]

Security & privacy considerations http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0015.html (Frederick, Robin)

14:16:08 [Josh_Soref]

fjh: Cathy, thanks for your very detailed comments

14:16:12 [Josh_Soref]

... i think they're very useful

14:16:22 [Josh_Soref]

Cathy: i got a message from richt that they're working on the feedback

14:16:37 [fjh]

zakim, who is here?

14:16:37 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Josh_Soref (muted), gmandyam, fjh, Jungkee (muted), Cathy

14:16:40 [Zakim]

On IRC I see Cathy, gmandyam, Jungkee, Zakim, RRSAgent, darobin, fjh, Josh_Soref, richt, hiroto_away, mounir, tobie, slightlyoff, trackbot, dom

14:16:44 [Josh_Soref]

... i expect them to have a new version, this week or next week

14:17:20 [Josh_Soref]

fjh: it would help if richt indicated which comments he's addressed

14:17:25 [Josh_Soref]

... so we know what's open/what's done

14:17:46 [Josh_Soref]

Topic: WebIntents DAP Action Review

14:18:06 [fjh]

ACTION-514?

14:18:06 [trackbot]

ACTION-514 -- Robin Berjon to talk to the Web Schema group about using schema.org nouns for Intents -- due 2012-07-18 -- OPEN

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http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/514

14:18:35 [fjh]

I think robin did this, but need to confirm

14:18:41 [fjh]

ACTION-516?

14:18:41 [trackbot]

ACTION-516 -- Josh Soref to propose Security Considerations section on SSL for Intents sepc -- due 2012-07-18 -- OPEN

14:18:41 [trackbot]

http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/516

14:18:56 [Josh_Soref]

Josh_Soref: i do, maybe i can do that today...

14:19:19 [fjh]

ACTION-550?

14:19:19 [trackbot]

ACTION-550 -- James Hawkins to add event for on load to webintents spec -- due 2012-07-17 -- OPEN

14:19:19 [trackbot]

http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/550

14:19:27 [fjh]

not clear of status

14:19:34 [fjh]

ACTION-551?

14:19:34 [trackbot]

ACTION-551 -- James Hawkins to share proposal on list to handle dynamic insertion/removal etc of <intent> tags -- due 2012-07-17 -- OPEN

14:19:34 [trackbot]

http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/551

14:19:50 [fjh]

ACTION-552?

14:19:50 [trackbot]

ACTION-552 -- Robin Berjon to send some spec text for the way that extras work -- due 2012-07-17 -- OPEN

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http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/552

14:20:00 [Josh_Soref]

fjh: there's been a discussion about work between DAP/Intents/HTML

14:20:10 [fjh]

ACTION-555?

14:20:10 [trackbot]

ACTION-555 -- Claes Nilsson to add mDNS adaption to the 'Web Intents Addendum - Local Services' specification for feature completion and before FPWD -- due 2012-08-15 -- OPEN

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http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/555

14:20:10 [Josh_Soref]

... dom, i think you're back from vacation

14:20:45 [fjh]

new version available with these changes, update in progress

14:21:19 [fjh]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0035.html

14:21:44 [fjh]

ACTION-556?

14:21:44 [trackbot]

ACTION-556 -- Robin Berjon to set up test repository with example, docs, manifest generation for Web Intents -- due 2012-07-18 -- OPEN

14:21:44 [trackbot]

http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/556

14:21:53 [Josh_Soref]

RRSAgent, draft minutes

14:21:53 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/15-dap-minutes.html Josh_Soref

14:22:09 [Josh_Soref]

RRSAgent, draft minutes

14:22:09 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/15-dap-minutes.html Josh_Soref

14:22:17 [fjh]

Topic: Additional Action review

14:22:21 [fjh]

ACTION-474?

14:22:21 [trackbot]

ACTION-474 -- Adrian Bateman to make a proposal for Network Information API -- due 2012-10-15 -- OPEN

14:22:21 [trackbot]

http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/474

14:22:42 [fjh]

ACTION-558?

14:22:42 [trackbot]

ACTION-558 -- Robin Berjon to draft a proposal for stills capture for gUM -- due 2012-07-18 -- OPEN

14:22:42 [trackbot]

http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/558

14:22:55 [Josh_Soref]

s|s/O dpm//||

14:22:58 [fjh]

is this in a task force discussion?

14:23:09 [fjh]

ACTION_561?

14:23:14 [fjh]

ACTION-561?

14:23:14 [trackbot]

ACTION-561 -- Richard Tibbett to produce a proposal draft for a StreamRecorder API -- due 2012-07-27 -- OPEN

14:23:14 [trackbot]

http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/561

14:23:28 [fjh]

cannot discuss as those with actions not here

14:23:38 [Josh_Soref]

i/Minutes approval/fjh: I just saw that github doesn't support subdirectories - so w3c-dap-thingname is the style we'll probably have/

14:23:49 [fjh]

s|ACTION_561?||

14:23:54 [Josh_Soref]

Topic: Other Business

14:23:59 [Josh_Soref]

Zakim, unmute me

14:23:59 [Zakim]

Josh_Soref should no longer be muted

14:25:46 [fjh]

Apps World Europe, http://www.apps-world.net/europe/index.php

14:26:05 [fjh]

2-3 October, London

14:26:24 [fjh]

josh_soref: announces this conference, does anyone have any more details about it?

14:26:32 [Josh_Soref]

Josh_Soref: that's listed on http://www.w3.org/participate/eventscal.html as a W3C endorsed conference

14:26:40 [Josh_Soref]

fjh: plh is in a panel

14:27:43 [Josh_Soref]

fjh: as usual, we will cancel calls if there's nothing to do

14:28:02 [Josh_Soref]

... thanks all

14:28:07 [Josh_Soref]

... see people next week, unless we don't

14:28:13 [Josh_Soref]

... please remember to register for tpac

14:28:51 [Josh_Soref]

Zakim, unmute me

14:28:51 [Zakim]

Josh_Soref was not muted, Josh_Soref

14:29:02 [fjh]

Here is the link for TPAC http://www.w3.org/2012/10/TPAC/Overview.html

14:29:16 [fjh]

F2F is 1-2 for DAP F2F

14:29:49 [Josh_Soref]

RRSAgent, draft minutes

14:29:49 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/15-dap-minutes.html Josh_Soref

14:29:53 [fjh]

s/F2F is 1-2 for DAP F2F/DAP F2F is 1-2 November during TPAC, please remember to register, payment deadline, hotel and travel/

14:30:11 [Josh_Soref]

fjh: please remember to register, and pay the fee to w3

14:30:18 [Josh_Soref]

... and before the deadline or prices go up

14:30:25 [Josh_Soref]

... and don't forget to book a hotel, and travel

14:30:34 [Josh_Soref]

... Wednesday is unconference

14:30:54 [Josh_Soref]

Josh_Soref: it was listed as unconference

14:31:01 [Josh_Soref]

... and they were soliciting potential topics

14:31:41 [Josh_Soref]

fjh: thanks Josh_Soref for scribing

14:31:42 [Josh_Soref]

[ Adjourned ]

14:31:46 [Josh_Soref]

trackbot, end meeting

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Zakim, list attendees

14:31:46 [Zakim]

As of this point the attendees have been Josh_Soref, +1.858.651.aaaa, fjh, +1.781.266.aabb, Cathy, Jungkee, gmandyam

14:31:49 [Zakim]

-gmandyam

14:31:49 [Zakim]

-Cathy

14:31:52 [Zakim]

-fjh

14:31:54 [trackbot]

RRSAgent, please draft minutes

14:31:54 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/15-dap-minutes.html trackbot

14:31:55 [Zakim]

-Jungkee

14:31:55 [trackbot]

RRSAgent, bye

14:31:55 [RRSAgent]

I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/08/15-dap-actions.rdf :

14:31:55 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: josh_soref to propose text for HTML Media Capture to allow for alternative capture device if specified device not available [1]

14:31:55 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/08/15-dap-irc#T14-14-04

14:31:55 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: josh to propose text for HTML Media Capture to allow for alternative capture device if specified device not available [2]

14:31:55 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/08/15-dap-irc#T14-14-24

14:31:55 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: fjh to propose security text for HTML Media Capture to address LC comment [3]

14:31:55 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/08/15-dap-irc#T14-14-47