IRC log of wcag2ict on 2012-07-20

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Zakim, this will be 2428

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ok, trackbot; I see WAI_(WCAG2ICT)10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes

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Meeting: WCAG2ICT Task Force Teleconference

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Date: 20 July 2012

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WAI_(WCAG2ICT)10:00AM has now started

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+Al_Hoffman

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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag2ict-tf/2012Jul/0141.html

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+Andi_Snow_Weaver

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+Bruce_Bailey

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+[Oracle]

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Zakim, Oracle has Peter_Korn

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+Peter_Korn; got it

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+[Microsoft]

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+Gregg_Vanderheiden

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zakim, Microsoft has Alex_Li

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+Alex_Li; got it

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+Kiran_Keja

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+Shadi

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zakim, mute me

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Shadi should now be muted

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-Kiran_Keja

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+Judy

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+Kiran_Keja

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scribe: Judy

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+??P14

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agenda?

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zakim, ??P14 is Mike_Pluke

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+Mike_Pluke; got it

14:05:08 [Andi]

topic: WCAG decisions yesterday http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag2ict-tf/2012Jul/0141.html

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Review of note that Andi sent out yesterday, that is linked above; and looking for actions to follow up as needed.

14:06:25 [Judy]

Noting what was accepted, per linked note above.

14:07:41 [Judy]

There was a proposal to take the TF's note regarding meaningful sequence, and capture it with a further note 'according to the wcag 2.0 definition.'

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q+

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q-

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+??P19

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Confirmation that the WCAG WG intends to re-publish Understanding again soon so that TF can point to updated doc that includes TF input.

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zakim, ??P19 is Janina_Sajka

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+Janina_Sajka; got it

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Zakim, ??P19 is Janina

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I already had ??P19 as Janina_Sajka, Judy

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RESOLTUION: Accept WCAG modifications to 1.3.2 and edit to 1.3.2 intent

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Then they wanted us to delete @@ and swap it with their suggestion.

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RESOLUTION: Accept WCAG modifications to 1.3.2 and edit to 1.3.2 intent

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RESOLUTION: Accept WCAG modifications to 2.4.3 and edit to 2.4.3 intent

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s/@@/our 2.4.3 proposed edits/

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RESOLUTION: Accept WCAG modifications to 2.4.6

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+Pierce_Crowell

14:15:37 [Judy]

Discussion of documentation of details of these changes; there is the WCAG WG meeting record, and also the summary note that Andi linked from these minutes above.

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Discussion of WCAG WG resolutions regarding the INTRODUCTION.

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Discussion of wording clarifications. "Mean" changed to "would mean"; and one other clarification.

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RESOLUTION: Accept WG's modifcations to text of Introduction, as proposed.

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There was also a discussion of changing "software" to "system."

14:19:48 [Andi]

Sentence will now be: The WCAG 2.0 definition of "input error" says that it is "information provided by the user that is not accepted" by the system.

14:20:00 [Judy]

...discussion of "input error"... holdover from our earlier guidance... change was suggested so that the term would apply both to web and non-web contexts alike

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RESOLUTION: Accept the WCAG WG modification to TF edits to WCAG 2.0 intent for 3.3.1 and 3.3.3

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Discussion of terms where we will be referring back to a cross-cutting section on terminology in the introduction

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+1

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q+

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+1

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+q

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q+

14:23:19 [korn]

Zakim, who is talking?

14:23:24 [Andi]

zakim, who is making noise?

14:23:32 [Zakim]

korn, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: Gregg_Vanderheiden (69%), Kiran_Keja (100%)

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zakim, mute Kiran

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Kiran_Keja should now be muted

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Andi, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds

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Discussion of using the term "content." Redefining it? Can't really right now and maintain our publication schedule. Discussion of alignment with WCAG 2.0...

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q- later

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q+

14:26:14 [alex]

which sc was that?

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Using definition from WCAG 2.0, but with @@ phrase removed

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+Cooper

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ack korn

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+1

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Discussion of keeping the references or not... add notes? add examples? appropriate for our document... in August discussion.

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ack Judy

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Mike is on queue

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https://sites.google.com/site/wcag2ict/quick-view

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scribe: Andi

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q+

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ack mpluke

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q+

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q+

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+q

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Discussion about WCAG WG reflections on definition of "content," and their definition of "content." Proposal to collect all the different instances of content, line 'em up, sort 'em out.

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ack andi

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acn j

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ack gregg

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ack judy

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scribe: Judy

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Discussion about how similar this is to the M376 language... efforts to harmonize, and/or make more generic... and TF on a similar path, apparently.

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q+

14:38:36 [Judy]

Compatibility of the definitions of "content" would be a good thing. Perhaps Intro should say that we are still working out the definitions.

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+David_MacDonald

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ack pierce

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ack korn

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+1

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-Cooper

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q+

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+Cooper

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+Cooper.a

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-Cooper.a

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https://sites.google.com/site/wcag2ict/quick-view

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-Kiran_Keja

14:44:49 [korn]

zakim, who is making noise?

14:45:01 [Zakim]

korn, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Gregg_Vanderheiden (4%), Judy (80%)

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+Kiran_Keja

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q

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q+

14:46:50 [korn]

zakim, who is making noise?

14:47:01 [Zakim]

korn, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Judy (4%)

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zakim, mute Kiran

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Kiran_Keja should now be muted

14:47:41 [Andi]

q+

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ack mpluke

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q+

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ack gregg

14:49:14 [Kiran]

Thanks Judy, not sure what's happening. I am muted locally. I will unmute if I need to.

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-Mike_Pluke

14:50:41 [Judy]

Discussion of how to address the "look at intro section for content definition".

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q+

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ack a

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ack andi

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ack j

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ack gregg

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+1 to removal of the references to look at content in the intro in each SC with that Judy

14:52:52 [Judy]

Discussion of whether the "content" notes were important to the TF or not. If not, then provides a more direct route to satisfy one of the options that the WG gave the TF.

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-Al_Hoffman

14:54:06 [Pierce]

+q

14:54:18 [greggvanderheiden]

(see introduction for the way to interpret the terms "Content")

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s/+q/q+/

14:55:16 [Pierce]

I move that we open a AI to track these locations and work on a solution

14:56:44 [Judy]

RESOLUTION: remove all the notes that say "(see introduction for the way to interpret the terms "Content")", but leave it in our own note for now.

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Discussion the summary regarding "title attribute"

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s/the summary/of the summary/

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q+

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ack pierce

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ack korn

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q+

15:01:10 [Judy]

Andi -- we've had a long sprint to get here, and come closer together than some of us thought we might have been able to; appreciate the work on this.

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q+

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ack gregg

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q+

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Confirmation that the WCAG WG is the body with the publishing authority on this, not the TF. The TF has just confirmed acceptance of WG's changes.

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ack me

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ack judy

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ack michael

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For publication, Michael will have a near-ready-to-go pub by Tuesday, and will need a few folks to do a close review of that. Will need any proposed copyedits by early on Wednesday.

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I volunteer

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+1

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I will look at it

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Committed for copyedits: Andi, Gregg, Peter, Shadi.

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Discussion about stability of recent editors' draft... should be completely up to date.

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Discussion about publishing logistics.

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-[Oracle]

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-Bruce_Bailey

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-Cooper

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-[Microsoft]

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-Pierce_Crowell

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-Andi_Snow_Weaver

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-Janina_Sajka

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-David_MacDonald

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-Gregg_Vanderheiden

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-Kiran_Keja

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-Shadi

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zakim, bye

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leaving. As of this point the attendees were Al_Hoffman, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Bruce_Bailey, Peter_Korn, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Alex_Li, Kiran_Keja, Shadi, Judy, Mike_Pluke,

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... Janina_Sajka, Pierce_Crowell, Cooper, David_MacDonald, Cooper.a

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/07/20-wcag2ict-minutes.html Andi

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chair: Andi_Snow-Weaver

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regrets: Loïc_Martínez_Normand

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/07/20-wcag2ict-minutes.html Andi

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s/RESOLTUION: Accept WCAG modifications to 1.3.2 and edit to 1.3.2 intent//

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/07/20-wcag2ict-minutes.html Andi

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MichaelC, are you there?

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trackbot, end meeting

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Zakim, list attendees

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RRSAgent, please draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/07/20-wcag2ict-minutes.html trackbot

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RRSAgent, bye

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I see no action items