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13:57:39 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_(WCAG2ICT)10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
13:57:40 <trackbot> Meeting: WCAG2ICT Task Force Teleconference
13:57:40 <trackbot> Date: 20 July 2012
13:57:53 <Zakim> WAI_(WCAG2ICT)10:00AM has now started
13:58:00 <Zakim> +Al_Hoffman
13:58:02 <MichaelC> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag2ict-tf/2012Jul/0141.html
13:58:17 <Zakim> +Andi_Snow_Weaver
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13:59:32 <Zakim> +Bruce_Bailey
13:59:53 <Zakim> +[Oracle]
13:59:58 <korn> Zakim, Oracle has Peter_Korn
13:59:58 <Zakim> +Peter_Korn; got it
14:00:12 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
14:00:31 <Zakim> +Gregg_Vanderheiden
14:01:00 <Andi> zakim, Microsoft has Alex_Li
14:01:00 <Zakim> +Alex_Li; got it
14:01:07 <Zakim> +Kiran_Keja
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14:01:46 <Zakim> +Shadi
14:02:11 <shadi> zakim, mute me
14:02:11 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
14:02:21 <Zakim> -Kiran_Keja
14:02:25 <Zakim> +Judy
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14:03:33 <Zakim> +Kiran_Keja
14:03:36 <Judy> scribe: Judy
14:03:43 <Zakim> +??P14
14:04:19 <Judy> agenda?
14:04:32 <Andi> zakim, ??P14 is Mike_Pluke
14:04:32 <Zakim> +Mike_Pluke; got it
14:05:08 <Andi> topic: WCAG decisions yesterday http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag2ict-tf/2012Jul/0141.html
14:06:05 <Judy> Review of note that Andi sent out yesterday, that is linked above; and looking for actions to follow up as needed.
14:06:25 <Judy> Noting what was accepted, per linked note above.
14:07:41 <Judy> There was a proposal to take the TF's note regarding meaningful sequence, and capture it with a further note 'according to the wcag 2.0 definition.'
14:07:58 <korn> q+
14:08:34 <korn> q-
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14:09:12 <Zakim> +??P19
14:09:16 <Judy> Confirmation that the WCAG WG intends to re-publish Understanding again soon so that TF can point to updated doc that includes TF input.
14:09:23 <Andi> zakim, ??P19 is Janina_Sajka
14:09:23 <Zakim> +Janina_Sajka; got it
14:09:27 <Judy> Zakim, ??P19 is Janina
14:09:28 <Zakim> I already had ??P19 as Janina_Sajka, Judy
14:09:54 <Judy> RESOLTUION: Accept WCAG modifications to 1.3.2 and edit to 1.3.2 intent
14:10:27 <Judy> Then they wanted us to delete @@ and swap it with their suggestion.
14:11:35 <Judy> RESOLUTION: Accept WCAG modifications to 1.3.2 and edit to 1.3.2 intent
14:11:53 <Judy> RESOLUTION: Accept WCAG modifications to 2.4.3 and edit to 2.4.3 intent
14:12:53 <Judy> s/@@/our 2.4.3 proposed edits/
14:13:09 <Judy> RESOLUTION: Accept WCAG modifications to 2.4.6
14:14:26 <Zakim> +Pierce_Crowell
14:15:37 <Judy> Discussion of documentation of details of these changes; there is the WCAG WG meeting record, and also the summary note that Andi linked from these minutes above.
14:15:59 <Judy> Discussion of WCAG WG resolutions regarding the INTRODUCTION.
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14:17:08 <Judy> Discussion of wording clarifications. "Mean" changed to "would mean"; and one other clarification.
14:17:37 <Judy> RESOLUTION: Accept WG's modifcations to text of Introduction, as proposed.
14:17:54 <Judy> There was also a discussion of changing "software" to "system."
14:19:48 <Andi> Sentence will now be: The WCAG 2.0 definition of "input error" says that it is "information provided by the user that is not accepted" by the system.
14:20:00 <Judy> ...discussion of "input error"... holdover from our earlier guidance... change was suggested so that the term would apply both to web and non-web contexts alike
14:20:47 <Judy> RESOLUTION: Accept the WCAG WG modification to TF edits to WCAG 2.0 intent for 3.3.1 and 3.3.3
14:21:42 <Judy> Discussion of terms where we will be referring back to a cross-cutting section on terminology in the introduction
14:21:51 <korn> +1
14:21:56 <Judy> q+
14:22:24 <korn> +1
14:22:27 <korn> +q
14:22:30 <korn> q+
14:23:19 <korn> Zakim, who is talking?
14:23:24 <Andi> zakim, who is making noise?
14:23:32 <Zakim> korn, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: Gregg_Vanderheiden (69%), Kiran_Keja (100%)
14:23:43 <Judy> zakim, mute Kiran
14:23:43 <Zakim> Kiran_Keja should now be muted
14:23:44 <Zakim> Andi, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds
14:25:46 <Judy> Discussion of using the term "content." Redefining it? Can't really right now and maintain our publication schedule. Discussion of alignment with WCAG 2.0... 
14:25:58 <Judy> q- later
14:26:07 <mpluke> q+
14:26:14 <alex> which sc was that?
14:26:43 <Judy> Using definition from WCAG 2.0, but with @@ phrase removed
14:27:11 <Zakim> +Cooper
14:27:18 <Andi> ack korn
14:27:42 <Pierce> +1
14:28:08 <Judy> Discussion of keeping the references or not... add notes? add examples? appropriate for our document... in August discussion.
14:28:37 <Andi> ack Judy
14:30:18 <alex> Mike is on queue
14:30:59 <Andi> https://sites.google.com/site/wcag2ict/quick-view
14:31:29 <Andi> scribe: Andi
14:31:52 <Andi> q+
14:31:59 <Andi> ack mpluke
14:33:33 <Judy> q+
14:33:38 <greggvanderheiden> q+
14:34:27 <Pierce> +q
14:34:43 <Judy> Discussion about WCAG WG reflections on definition of "content," and their definition of "content." Proposal to collect all the different instances of content, line 'em up, sort 'em out.
14:36:13 <Andi> ack andi
14:36:14 <Andi> acn j
14:36:18 <Andi> ack gregg
14:36:24 <Andi> ack judy
14:37:03 <Andi> scribe: Judy
14:37:26 <Judy> Discussion about how similar this is to the M376 language... efforts to harmonize, and/or make more generic... and TF on a similar path, apparently.
14:38:16 <korn> q+
14:38:36 <Judy> Compatibility of the definitions of "content" would be a good thing. Perhaps Intro should say that we are still working out the definitions.
14:39:16 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald
14:39:42 <Andi> ack pierce
14:40:13 <Andi> ack korn
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14:40:48 <alex> +1
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14:43:05 <Zakim> -Cooper
14:44:01 <mpluke> q+
14:44:08 <Zakim> +Cooper
14:44:19 <Zakim> +Cooper.a
14:44:47 <Zakim> -Cooper.a
14:44:49 <greggvanderheiden> https://sites.google.com/site/wcag2ict/quick-view
14:44:49 <Zakim> -Kiran_Keja
14:44:49 <korn> zakim, who is making noise?
14:45:01 <Zakim> korn, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Gregg_Vanderheiden (4%), Judy (80%)
14:46:05 <Zakim> +Kiran_Keja
14:46:21 <greggvanderheiden> q
14:46:28 <greggvanderheiden> q+
14:46:50 <korn> zakim, who is making noise?
14:47:01 <Zakim> korn, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Judy (4%)
14:47:04 <Judy> zakim, mute Kiran
14:47:04 <Zakim> Kiran_Keja should now be muted
14:47:41 <Andi> q+
14:48:10 <Andi> ack mpluke
14:48:48 <Judy> q+
14:48:53 <Andi> ack gregg
14:49:14 <Kiran> Thanks Judy, not sure what's happening. I am muted locally. I will unmute if I need to.
14:50:23 <Zakim> -Mike_Pluke
14:50:41 <Judy> Discussion of how to address the "look at intro section for content definition".
14:50:43 <greggvanderheiden> q+
14:50:51 <greggvanderheiden> ack a
14:50:52 <Andi> ack andi
14:51:00 <greggvanderheiden> ack j
14:52:18 <Andi> ack gregg
14:52:24 <korn> +1 to removal of the references to look at content in the intro in each SC with that Judy
14:52:52 <Judy> Discussion of whether the "content" notes were important to the TF or not. If not, then provides a more direct route to satisfy one of the options that the WG gave the TF.
14:52:54 <Zakim> -Al_Hoffman
14:54:06 <Pierce> +q
14:54:18 <greggvanderheiden> (see introduction for the way to interpret the terms  "Content")
14:54:22 <Judy> s/+q/q+/
14:55:16 <Pierce> I move that we open a AI to track these locations and work on a solution
14:56:44 <Judy> RESOLUTION: remove all the notes that say "(see introduction for the way to interpret the terms  "Content")", but leave it in our own note for now.
14:57:06 <Judy> Discussion the summary regarding "title attribute"
14:57:18 <Judy> s/the summary/of the summary/
15:00:21 <korn> q+
15:00:40 <Andi> ack pierce
15:00:51 <Andi> ack korn
15:00:57 <greggvanderheiden> q+
15:01:10 <Judy> Andi -- we've had a long sprint to get here, and come closer together than some of us thought we might have been able to; appreciate the work on this.
15:01:13 <Judy> q+
15:02:34 <Andi> ack gregg
15:03:21 <MichaelC> q+
15:04:04 <Judy> Confirmation that the WCAG WG is the body with the publishing authority on this, not the TF. The TF has just confirmed acceptance of WG's changes.
15:04:18 <Judy> ack me
15:04:18 <Andi> ack judy
15:05:26 <Andi> ack michael
15:05:30 <Judy> For publication, Michael will have a near-ready-to-go pub by Tuesday, and will need a few folks to do a close review of that. Will need any proposed copyedits by early on Wednesday.
15:05:39 <korn> I volunteer
15:05:45 <shadi> +1
15:05:51 <greggvanderheiden> I will look at it
15:06:42 <Judy> Committed for copyedits: Andi, Gregg, Peter, Shadi.
15:08:41 <Judy> Discussion about stability of recent editors' draft... should be completely up to date. 
15:09:08 <Judy> Discussion about publishing logistics.
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15:09:23 <Zakim> -Cooper
15:09:23 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
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15:09:24 <Zakim> -Andi_Snow_Weaver
15:09:24 <Zakim> -Janina_Sajka
15:09:25 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald
15:09:27 <Zakim> -Gregg_Vanderheiden
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15:09:36 <Andi> zakim, bye
15:09:36 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Al_Hoffman, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Bruce_Bailey, Peter_Korn, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Alex_Li, Kiran_Keja, Shadi, Judy, Mike_Pluke,
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15:09:48 <Andi> rrsagent, make minutes
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15:14:48 <Andi> chair: Andi_Snow-Weaver
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15:15:51 <Andi> regrets: Loïc_Martínez_Normand
15:16:00 <Andi> rrsagent, make minutes
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15:16:44 <Andi> s/RESOLTUION: Accept WCAG modifications to 1.3.2 and edit to 1.3.2 intent//
15:16:49 <Andi> rrsagent, make minutes
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19:23:08 <Andi> MichaelC, are you there?
19:23:35 <Andi> trackbot, end meeting
19:23:35 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
19:23:43 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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19:23:44 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
19:23:44 <RRSAgent> I see no action items