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13:56:24 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277
13:56:24 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
13:56:25 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
13:56:25 <trackbot> Date: 03 July 2012
13:56:25 <AxelPolleres> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2012-07-03
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13:59:47 <cbuilara> zakim, ?P11 is me
13:59:47 <Zakim> sorry, cbuilara, I do not recognize a party named '?P11'
13:59:51 <Zakim> +kasei
14:00:22 <cbuilara> zakim, ??P11 is me
14:00:22 <Zakim> +cbuilara; got it
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14:00:51 <AndyS> zakim,  ??P15 is me
14:00:51 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
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14:02:03 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?
14:02:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see AxelPolleres, cbuilara, kasei, AndyS, MattPerry
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14:02:24 <bglimm> Zakim, ??P21 is me
14:02:24 <Zakim> +bglimm; got it
14:03:13 <Zakim> +Sandro
14:03:17 <Zakim> +pgearon
14:03:39 <AxelPolleres> scribe: Andy
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14:03:47 <AndyS> scribenick: AndyS
14:03:57 <AndyS> Topic: Admin
14:04:13 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-06-26
14:04:14 <chimezie> Zakim, passcode?
14:04:14 <Zakim> the conference code is 77277 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), chimezie
14:04:36 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-06-26
14:04:48 <AxelPolleres> Next regular meeting: 2012-07-10 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EST
14:04:59 <cbuilara> yep
14:05:04 <cbuilara> I can do it
14:05:06 <Zakim> -Sandro
14:05:15 <AxelPolleres> scribe next week, carlos.
14:05:33 <Zakim> +Chimezie
14:05:37 <Zakim> +Sandro
14:05:40 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me
14:05:41 <Zakim> Chimezie should now be muted
14:05:41 <AndyS> AndyS: no news from RDF-WG
14:05:43 <AndyS> topic: Comments
14:05:52 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments
14:06:51 <AndyS> Axel: assign unowned comments.
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14:12:05 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me 
14:12:05 <Zakim> Chimezie should no longer be muted
14:12:41 <AndyS> chimezie: we no longer say "REST" - maybe this will help.
14:12:59 <chimezie> This is the latest response (May 8): http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2012May/0009.html
14:13:12 <AndyS> axel: sandro - please advance this comment
14:13:14 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me
14:13:14 <Zakim> Chimezie should now be muted
14:14:51 <AndyS> andy: waiting on syntax / prefix to fix in Turtle; then 3 on BINDING/VALUES
14:15:10 <AndyS> ... WG needs to accept VALUS changes
14:15:15 <AndyS> ... WG needs to accept VALUES changes
14:15:32 <AxelPolleres> carlos' draft http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:PW1
14:17:03 <AndyS> greg: want changes to docs to reflect the possibility of using query string in service URL.
14:18:21 <AndyS> carlos: can point to SPARQL protocol for this.
14:18:26 <AndyS> q+
14:18:45 <AndyS> ... or add a bit to federated query doc.
14:19:00 <AndyS> axel: informal -> no a LC
14:19:48 <AndyS> ack me
14:20:43 <AxelPolleres> Andy: focus of Federated query is to send query to the data, and not to specify a remote dataset.
14:22:28 <AndyS> Greg: don't totally agree but will not hold things up.
14:23:06 <AndyS> Greg: DB-28 response ready
14:23:07 <AxelPolleres> DB-28 response, anybody had a chance to look at that one?
14:25:57 <AndyS> Greg: can reword the bit around FETCH if wanted.
14:26:19 <pgearon> +q
14:27:32 <AndyS> Paul: update can bring data in.
14:28:28 <AndyS> ... FETCH in query could be LOAD in update.
14:29:06 <AndyS> Greg: DB implies now no system should dereference on FROM.
14:29:22 <pgearon> I agree with greg,  I was using this as a counter argument to the keyword "fetch"
14:29:49 <AndyS> ... issue is still that update implies more power then query
14:30:18 <AndyS> (scribe thinks this sounds like temporary datasets)
14:31:04 <pgearon> I probably tend to think of UPDATE being more available than it is, since I always have access to it. Perhaps my point is ill considered
14:31:10 <AxelPolleres> send it with ""could be viewed as"
14:31:43 <AndyS> topic: Progress on Documents
14:32:04 <AndyS> query status: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JulSep/0005.html
14:32:44 <AxelPolleres> Andy?
14:33:01 <AxelPolleres> Steve?
14:33:14 <Zakim> +Sandro.a
14:33:21 <Zakim> -Sandro
14:34:13 <kasei> q+
14:34:37 <AxelPolleres> andy: missing parts: min max, what is min on empty set, no nested aggregates, with that it'd be ready to go?
14:34:58 <AxelPolleres> Greg: would be good to have a test case in the test suite on that.
14:35:54 <pgearon> q-
14:36:29 <AndyS> See http://answers.semanticweb.com/questions/17410/semantics-of-sparql-aggregates
14:37:27 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: greg to check back whether there's a test case for MIN empty set, in case add the query from http://answers.semanticweb.com/questions/17410/semantics-of-sparql-aggregates
14:37:27 <trackbot> Created ACTION-654 - Check back whether there's a test case for MIN empty set, in case add the query from http://answers.semanticweb.com/questions/17410/semantics-of-sparql-aggregates [on Gregory Williams - due 2012-07-10].
14:37:34 <AndyS> ack kasei
14:38:12 <AndyS> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:38:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see AxelPolleres, cbuilara, kasei, AndyS, MattPerry, bglimm, pgearon, Chimezie (muted), Sandro.a
14:38:19 <AndyS> axel: I'll ping steve
14:38:27 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: axel to pinfg steve on critical path items for Query
14:38:27 <trackbot> Created ACTION-655 - Pinfg steve on critical path items for Query [on Axel Polleres - due 2012-07-10].
14:38:53 <AxelPolleres> topic: update
14:39:08 <AndyS> Reviews due --  carlos, olivier
14:39:13 <AndyS> Carlos: this week.
14:39:26 <pgearon> Olivier has already submitted a review
14:40:35 <AndyS> axel: bNodes across graphs
14:40:48 <AndyS> greg: we added a test
14:42:53 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: axel to look into www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/basic-update/insert-05a.ru and react to greg's suggestion  on email
14:42:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-656 - Look into www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/basic-update/insert-05a.ru and react to greg's suggestion  on email [on Axel Polleres - due 2012-07-10].
14:43:17 <AndyS> axel: Paul - anything on your side?
14:43:37 <pgearon> I haven't had a chance to merge in Olivier's comments, but can do this today
14:43:43 <AndyS> protocol - no reviews needed
14:43:50 <AndyS> service description - no reviews needed
14:44:01 <AndyS> GSP - no reviews needed
14:44:23 <AndyS> entailment - nothing needed
14:44:37 <AndyS> json results - nothing needed
14:44:49 <AndyS> csv/tsv results - nothing needed
14:45:37 <AndyS> overview -- change made to s/REST//g
14:45:54 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012AprJun/0222.html
14:46:03 <AxelPolleres> any approval?
14:46:25 <AndyS> ... Full review not needed
14:47:21 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: sandro to approve rewording as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012AprJun/0222.html
14:47:21 <trackbot> Created ACTION-657 - Approve rewording as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012AprJun/0222.html [on Sandro Hawke - due 2012-07-10].
14:48:01 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-657
14:48:01 <trackbot> ACTION-657 Approve rewording as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012AprJun/0222.html closed
14:48:07 <Zakim> -pgearon
14:48:09 <AxelPolleres> Sandro: approved
14:49:33 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: clean up to_pr page to mark finished docs
14:49:33 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - clean
14:49:55 <AxelPolleres> ACTION axel to clean up to_pr page to mark finished docs
14:49:55 <trackbot> Created ACTION-658 - Clean up to_pr page to mark finished docs [on Axel Polleres - due 2012-07-10].
14:50:07 <AndyS> topic: Action review
14:51:14 <kasei> ACTIONS 638 and 653 can be closed for me
14:51:23 <pgearon> apologies… I was kicked off, and now the system won't let me connect in again (tells me the passcode is not valid)
14:51:23 <AxelPolleres> friendly reminder on ACTION-389
14:51:25 <AndyS> ACTION-389 - namespace page - sandro acks.
14:51:52 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-638
14:51:52 <trackbot> ACTION-638 Informally reply on http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2012Jun/0002.html pointing to SD and asking whether formal response is needed. closed
14:52:16 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-653
14:52:16 <trackbot> ACTION-653 Draft a reply on DBooth comment on dataset construction closed
14:56:13 <sandro> bad dtmf pgearon  ?    
14:57:28 <AxelPolleres> sandro: we should skip CR where we can.
14:59:38 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, pick a victim?
14:59:38 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, AxelPolleres.
14:59:45 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, pick a victim
14:59:45 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose bglimm
15:00:45 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: bglim to review query with particular focus on BIND / VALUES 
15:00:45 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - bglim
15:00:50 <AndyS> It's one (short) section -- http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/rq25.xml#assignment (and formal if you want - http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/rq25.xml#sparqlTranslateBindAssignments)
15:01:14 <Zakim> -Chimezie
15:01:15 <bglimm> bye
15:01:16 <MattPerry> bye
15:01:16 <AndyS> ACTION: bglimm to review query with particular focus on BIND / VALUES 
15:01:16 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - bglimm
15:01:18 <Zakim> -Sandro.a
15:01:20 <Zakim> -cbuilara
15:01:24 <Zakim> -bglimm
15:01:32 <Zakim> -MattPerry
15:01:32 <AndyS> adjourned
15:01:34 <Zakim> -kasei
15:01:40 <Zakim> -AndyS
15:01:42 <AxelPolleres> next  week we should agree how we can finalize our schedule to publish.
15:02:00 <AxelPolleres> adjourned. thanks andy for scribing
15:02:20 <AxelPolleres> rrsagent, make records public
15:02:33 <Zakim> -AxelPolleres
15:02:34 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended
15:02:34 <Zakim> Attendees were AxelPolleres, kasei, cbuilara, AndyS, MattPerry, bglimm, Sandro, pgearon, Chimezie
15:03:15 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: birte to review query with particular focus on BIND / VALUES 
15:03:15 <trackbot> Created ACTION-659 - Review query with particular focus on BIND / VALUES  [on Birte Glimm - due 2012-07-10].
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