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15:54:32 <Ashok> zakim, this will be rdb2rdf
15:54:32 <Zakim> ok, Ashok; I see SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
15:54:45 <Ashok> chair: Ashok
15:55:04 <Ashok> meeting: RDB2RDF Weekly Telcon
15:55:29 <Ashok> regrets Nuno, Eric, Ivan, Michael
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15:57:56 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra
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16:02:15 <boris> zakim, code?
16:02:15 <Zakim> the conference code is 7322733 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), boris
16:02:34 <Zakim> +??P0
16:02:57 <boris> zakim, ??P0 is me
16:02:57 <Zakim> +boris; got it
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16:03:30 <Ashok> present:  David, Richard. Ashok, Boris, Juan
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16:04:27 <cygri> scribenick: cygri
16:04:32 <juansequeda> zakim, aaaa is me
16:04:33 <Zakim> +juansequeda; got it
16:04:35 <cygri> zakim, who is here?
16:04:36 <Ashok> scribe:  Richard
16:04:36 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ashok_Malhotra, dmcneil, mhausenblas, boris, juansequeda
16:04:36 <Zakim> On IRC I see cygri, juansequeda, boris, dmcneil, RRSAgent, Zakim, Ashok, MacTed, betehess, trackbot, ericP
16:04:45 <cygri> zakim, mhausenblas is temporarily me
16:04:48 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software
16:04:49 <Zakim> +cygri; got it
16:04:54 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
16:04:57 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
16:04:59 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
16:05:00 <Ashok> present+ Ted
16:05:03 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
16:05:16 <cygri> regrets: nuno
16:05:20 <cygri> regrets: ericP
16:05:27 <Ashok> PROPOSAL: Accept the minutes of last meeting http://www.w3.org/2012/06/19-rdb2rdf-minutes.html
16:05:49 <cygri> RESOLUTION: Accept the minutes of last meeting http://www.w3.org/2012/06/19-rdb2rdf-minutes.html
16:05:51 <boris> +1
16:06:04 <cygri> Topic: Status of the WDs?  When can we publish?  Eric, Juan, Richard
16:06:20 <cygri> ashok: do we have final versions that we can publish?
16:06:33 <cygri> juan: i reported some weeks ago that there are some very minor issues in DM
16:06:59 <cygri> ... i will do this in the next couple days
16:08:05 <Ashok> Ashok:  What about R2RMl?
16:08:57 <Ashok> Richard:  Some changes are needed
16:09:44 <cygri> cygri: will do it this week
16:09:52 <Ashok> Richard:  Should be ready this week
16:10:27 <cygri> ashok: why don't you create the draft ASAP, send an email pointing out the changes, asking for review
16:10:33 <cygri> cygri: yes
16:11:09 <cygri> ashok: we can try to publish quickly by the end of the week or possibly early next
16:11:20 <boris> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/implementation-report/
16:11:20 <cygri> topic: Status of the Implementation Report.  Boris
16:11:25 <cygri> boris: almost ready
16:11:27 <Ashok> Ashok:  Status of implementation report
16:11:39 <cygri> ... need to fix some minor things still
16:11:40 <cygri> q+
16:11:52 <cygri> ... still need to check toby inkster's report
16:12:06 <cygri> ... latest report includes all the implementations we have so far
16:12:18 <cygri> ashok: can you get final version this week?
16:12:23 <cygri> boris: yes, ok
16:12:26 <juansequeda> +q to ask till when do we have to keep submitting earl reports. 
16:13:10 <cygri> ashok: looks like we have seven implementations
16:13:15 <cygri> ... but some do one spec only
16:13:28 <cygri> boris: yes. five for DM and five for R2RML
16:14:55 <cygri> cygri: boris, what's the latest time by which you still accept reports?
16:15:08 <Ashok> Richard: Until when can I send a report ... what's the deadline?
16:15:15 <cygri> boris: i generate the implementation report automatically, so making the new report is quick
16:15:19 <cygri> ... so just send whenever
16:15:33 <Ashok> Boris:  Anytime, even Friday or Saturday
16:15:46 <cygri> juan: i'd like to submit reports for all major RDBMS vendors
16:15:51 <cygri> ... is next week still ok?
16:15:59 <cygri> ashok: do it this week if you can
16:16:07 <cygri> ... we just need "enough" reports
16:16:08 <boris> q+
16:16:26 <cygri> ... so no great need for further reports
16:17:44 <cygri> ack me
16:18:01 <cygri> cygri: does the implementation report still need review from the WG?
16:18:31 <cygri> ashok: we can leave this to boris and michael. michael has done this for RDFa so knows how to do them
16:18:51 <cygri> ... but of course can briefly look it over once we have the version on friday
16:18:56 <cygri> ack juansequeda
16:18:56 <Zakim> juansequeda, you wanted to ask till when do we have to keep submitting earl reports.
16:19:10 <cygri> boris: are partial reports that don't pass everything ok?
16:19:19 <cygri> ashok: my understanding is: yes, per ivan
16:19:44 <cygri> ... each test individually must have at least two successful implementations
16:21:44 <MacTed> +1 to all reports including those showing failures
16:21:46 <cygri> cygri: to me it's also interesting to see that some implementations don't pass all the tests, we can learn which features are most interoperable, work best etc
16:22:26 <cygri> ashok: to summarize, we should have both spec drafts this week
16:22:35 <cygri> ... the R2RML changes needs a bit of review
16:22:44 <cygri> ... boris will produce implementation report too this week
16:22:55 <cygri> topic: Shall we publish the Test cases as a WG Note?
16:23:01 <Ashok> Topic:  Shall we publish the Test cases as a WG Note? 
16:23:38 <cygri> ashok: this is optional, people can find the test cases anyway
16:23:45 <cygri> ... but if we want, we can publish them as a note
16:23:54 <cygri> ... it's a bit of formatting, bit of work and so on
16:23:55 <cygri> q+
16:23:57 <boris> q+
16:24:14 <cygri> ... boris, you'd be the one who would have to do the formatting
16:27:10 <cygri> cygri: i'm in favour if the editors of the test suite would like to
16:27:20 <cygri> ... perhaps not so much work compared to what already went into it
16:27:32 <cygri> ... but have to think about change management
16:27:44 <Zakim> -juansequeda
16:27:47 <cygri> ashok: we might still do that a bit later, e.g., next month
16:27:59 <cygri> boris: i'd be happy to do it. it's a bit of work but should be ok
16:28:14 <cygri> ashok: how about you prepare a draft with the proper formatting, boilerplate etc
16:28:31 <cygri> ... process for publishing notes is not *so* much work
16:28:39 <Zakim> +juansequeda
16:29:10 <cygri> RESOLUTION: WG will publish the test cases as a WG Note
16:29:18 <cygri> q+
16:29:31 <boris> ack boris
16:32:18 <cygri> cygri: we have a suite of validator test cases. one small test case for every way in which you can break an R2RML file
16:32:25 <cygri> ... should we bring this into the WG?
16:32:31 <cygri> ... (we = D2RQ team)
16:32:48 <cygri> ashok: i'd be happy to take this on board because it helps implementers outside of the WG
16:32:54 <cygri> ... makes things easier to find
16:33:11 <cygri> ... let's talk about this further
16:33:21 <cygri> ... can you send us an outline?
16:33:25 <cygri> cygri: ok, will do
16:33:30 <cygri> topic: Status of Enrico/Juan note on blank nodes.
16:34:03 <cygri> ashok: when we talked about blank node semantics in the DM, there was an action on Enrico and Juan to publish a note on that
16:34:08 <cygri> ... that hasn't happened yet
16:34:27 <cygri> ... it's not a charter requirement, but speaking personally i think it would be terrific to publish this note
16:34:44 <cygri> juansequeda: i've been in discussion with Enrico on and off for several months
16:35:04 <cygri> ... i've sent a draft outline but we don't really have agreement
16:35:15 <cygri> ... i think it would be beneficial to write that
16:35:35 <cygri> ... i think this wouldn't be holding back anything else, right?
16:36:12 <cygri> ashok: would be good if you guys can publish something here
16:36:33 <cygri> juansequeda: will continue and get back to the group as soon as there's anything to report
16:36:42 <Ashok> Topic: Close open actions: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/open 
16:36:44 <cygri> topic: Close open actions
16:37:18 <cygri> ACTION-192?
16:37:18 <trackbot> ACTION-192 -- Richard Cyganiak to write wiki text on relationship between our SQL value mapping and the one in ISO/IEC 9075-14 -- due 2012-02-14 -- OPEN
16:37:18 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/192
16:37:32 <Zakim> -juansequeda
16:41:39 <cygri> close ACTION-192
16:41:39 <trackbot> ACTION-192 Write wiki text on relationship between our SQL value mapping and the one in ISO/IEC 9075-14 closed
16:41:48 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me
16:41:48 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted
16:42:16 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
16:42:16 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
16:42:20 <cygri> MacTed: if you just write a few sentences on the wiki now, that would be good and sufficient
16:42:36 <boris> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/Implementations
16:42:58 <cygri> close ACTION-194
16:42:58 <trackbot> ACTION-194 Update http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/Implementations with reports from http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2012Jan/0067.html closed
16:43:11 <cygri> cygri: 194 is obsolete, that's from way back in january
16:43:21 <cygri> ACTION-196?
16:43:22 <trackbot> ACTION-196 -- Michael Hausenblas to contact Antonio Garrote and Toby Inkster re TC -- due 2012-02-14 -- OPEN
16:43:22 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/196
16:44:03 <cygri> ACTION-197?
16:44:03 <trackbot> ACTION-197 -- Juan Sequeda to contact Mariano Rodriguez re TC -- due 2012-02-14 -- OPEN
16:44:03 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/197
16:44:06 <cygri> ACTION-198?
16:44:06 <trackbot> ACTION-198 -- Richard Cyganiak to suggest data errors TC -- due 2012-02-14 -- OPEN
16:44:06 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/198
16:44:15 <cygri> close ACTION-198
16:44:15 <trackbot> ACTION-198 Suggest data errors TC closed
16:44:29 <cygri> boris: nuno did 199 and provided the info on the wiki
16:44:34 <cygri> close ACTION-199
16:44:34 <trackbot> ACTION-199 Report on comparing graphs experience and provide bash script used in XSPARQL testing on the Wiki closed
16:44:47 <cygri> close ACTION-196
16:44:47 <trackbot> ACTION-196 Contact Antonio Garrote and Toby Inkster re TC closed
16:44:51 <cygri> close ACTION-197
16:44:51 <trackbot> ACTION-197 Contact Mariano Rodriguez re TC closed
16:45:05 <cygri> topic: AOB
16:45:29 <cygri> ashok: so after this week we should think about the tc note and the blank node note
16:45:45 <cygri> ... when we get to REC then WG will basically become inactive
16:46:00 <cygri> ... doing notes will become a bit more difficult once we have reached REC
16:46:10 <cygri> ... but nothing to worry about really
16:46:16 <cygri> ... adjourned!
16:46:18 <Zakim> -dmcneil
16:46:21 <Zakim> -MacTed
16:46:22 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
16:46:23 <Zakim> -cygri
16:46:27 <Zakim> -boris
16:46:28 <Zakim> SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM has ended
16:46:28 <Zakim> Attendees were Ashok_Malhotra, dmcneil, boris, +575737aaaa, juansequeda, cygri, MacTed
16:46:36 <cygri> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:46:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/07/03-rdb2rdf-minutes.html cygri
16:46:39 <Ashok> rrsagent, make logs public
16:46:48 <Ashok> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:46:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/07/03-rdb2rdf-minutes.html Ashok
16:47:35 <cygri> regrets: nuno lopes
16:47:42 <cygri> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:47:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/07/03-rdb2rdf-minutes.html cygri
16:48:54 <cygri> regrets: Eric, Nuno
16:49:00 <cygri> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:49:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/07/03-rdb2rdf-minutes.html cygri
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16:55:13 <cygri> regrets: Eric, Nuno, Souri
16:55:19 <cygri> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:55:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/07/03-rdb2rdf-minutes.html cygri
16:56:17 <cygri> regrets: Nuno, Eric, Ivan, Michael, Souri
16:56:22 <cygri> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:56:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/07/03-rdb2rdf-minutes.html cygri
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20:29:14 <MacTed> trackbot, end meeting
20:30:08 <MacTed> RRSAgent, bye
20:30:08 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
20:30:08 <MacTed> trackbot, bye
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