IRC log of html-wg on 2012-06-28

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Zakim, this will be html_wg

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ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started

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Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference

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Date: 28 June 2012

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16:00:39 [glenn]

yang, i'm still hearing noise from you, so its best to stay muted, either locally on your end or via zakim, until you wish to speak

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-yang

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+[Microsoft]

16:01:34 [glenn]

it was before you joined sam

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+SethHodgson

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zakim, [Microsoft] has krisk

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+krisk; got it

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+hober

16:02:05 [glenn]

i was hearing local noise at yang's end (fan + typing, etc)

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Zakim, [Microsoft] is me

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+jaymunro; got it

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+[Microsoft]

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zakim, [Microsoft] is me

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+adrianba; got it

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+??P16

16:02:49 [MikeSmith]

Zakim, call Mike

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ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made

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+Mike

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zakim, ??P16 is me

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+yang; got it

16:02:56 [adrianba]

zakim, who is here?

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On the phone I see glenn (muted), Sam, jaymunro, SethHodgson, hober, adrianba, yang, Mike (muted)

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jaymunro has krisk

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On IRC I see janina, jaymunro, SethHodgson, krisk, RRSAgent, mjs, rubys, J_Voracek, adrianba, icaaq, yang, plh, vimeo_joe, glenn, davidb, miketaylr, MikeSmith, myakura, ArtB,

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... nonge, drublic, Lachy, CIA-1, krijnh, kennyluck, logbot, johndrinkwater, decadance, timeless, shepazu, arronei, karl, ybit, hiro, Wilto, Zakim, jgraham, Dashiva, ed, heycam,

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... gavin, gsnedders, lgombos, hober, trackbot, Philip, hsivonen, jmb, Hixie, inimino, MikeSmithW3C, odinho, paul___irish, Jedi

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+mjs

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+Plh

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+??P18

16:03:26 [janina]

zakim, ??P18 is Janina

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+Janina; got it

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+Clarke

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+John_Foliot

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Agenda ->

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2012AprJun/0042.html

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scribe: krisk

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#1 1. ACTION items due by Thursday, June 28

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First item is ACTION-217: Create a joint Path location add hit testing binding...

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Zakim, list attendees

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As of this point the attendees have been yang, glenn, Sam, SethHodgson, krisk, hober, jaymunro, adrianba, Mike, mjs, Plh, Janina, Clarke, John_Foliot

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ACTION-217?

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ACTION-217 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to create a joint Path location add hit testing binding CP for ISSUE-201 that binds canvas to fallback content (Rich, Ted, Frank) -- due 2012-06-21 -- OPEN

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http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/217

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16:05:16 [glenn]

lot's of echo on line

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+[Microsoft]

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+[GVoice]

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Glen: frank and myself met last week and are in the process of formalizing the discussion

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s/Glen/hober/

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s/Glen:/Ted:/

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s/Glen/ted/

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sam: do we have any update on schedule?

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zakim, [GVoice] is me

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+ddorwin; got it

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sam: any more comments/questions for hober?

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+[Microsoft.a]

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Zakim, +R_Berkoff

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I wonder where R_Berkoff is

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+Cynthia_Shelly

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Next ACTION-219: Review Michael Cooper's CP for ISSUE-199a

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zakim, microsoft.a has me

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+eliot; got it

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ACTION-219?

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ACTION-219 -- Edward O'Connor to review Michael Cooper's CP for ISSUE-199a -- due 2012-06-22 -- OPEN

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http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/219

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Hober: I reviewed this last friday and send this to Michael

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janina: Michael this looks good - except for some language (not optimal)

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msj: can Michael agree that the editor can make an update to the language?

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s/msj/mjs/

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msj: Then as long as Michael makes his update we should have consensus

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s/msj/mjs/

16:10:20 [R_Berkoff]

Zakim, +R_Berkoff

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I wonder where R_Berkoff is

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janina: Michael should be able to make his update in a day or so

16:10:33 [krisk]

Next Update New Issues This Week:

16:10:35 [R_Berkoff]

Zakim, GVoice is me

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sorry, R_Berkoff, I do not recognize a party named 'GVoice'

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ISSUE-206: Should HTML5 have a meta generator exception to the alt requirement?

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ISSUE-206 Should HTML5 have a meta generator exception to the alt requirement? notes added

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http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/206 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jun/0137.html

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Zakim, [GVoice] is me

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sorry, R_Berkoff, I do not recognize a party named '[GVoice]'

16:11:02 [krisk]

sam: any discussions?

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sam: none

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-Cynthia_Shelly

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Next Items Closed Last Week

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ISSUE-184: data-element, survey closed Jun 21

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ISSUE-184 Add a data element notes added

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ISSUE-185: drop-pubdate and add moddate, surveys closed Jun 21

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ISSUE-185 Drop the pubdate attribute notes added

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+ +1.818.370.aaaa

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+Cynthia_Shelly

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Next Up is Items Closing This Week

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ISSUE-195: form-http-req, Revise Change Proposals closes Jun 27

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ISSUE-195 Enhance http request generation from forms notes added

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chairs are reviewing

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0263.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jun/0136.html

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Next Items Closing Next Week

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+whitech

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ISSUE-189: uri-web-prefix, Revise Change Proposals extension closes Jul 6

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ISSUE-189 Prefix convention needs to be coordinated with IETF notes added

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0316.html

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ISSUE-200: legend-placement, Revise Change Proposals closes Jul 6

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ISSUE-200 Allow wrapping LEGEND (or new iLEGEND) in non-FIELDSET elements notes added

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jun/0099.html

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sam: note they both close on July 6th

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Next New Calls this week

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ISSUE-206: meta-generator

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ISSUE-206 Should HTML5 have a meta generator exception to the alt requirement? notes added

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alternale/counter proposals are due by July 27th

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Next New Surveys this week

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none

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Decisions this week

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none

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Other Business

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#1 HTML WG rechartering

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jun/0104.html

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q+

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Sam: a small amount of discussion

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ack plh

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plh: mike is working on this (dependancy)

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plh: The RDFa will be moved to a different working group and this was moved from the HTML WG charter

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yeah, I have since removed HTML + RDFa as a deliverable from the draft charter

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plh: People need to comment on this change to the charter

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ISSUE-203 media-descriptions

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hober asked for an extension and chairs agreed

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janina: what was the issue? use case?

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hober: some of the information is redundant

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janina: the mechanism is tied to ISSUE-30 and we are out of sequence

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+Martin

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janina: I am not opposed to taking this under advisement

16:21:27 [glenn]

zakim, who's on the phone?

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On the phone I see glenn (muted), Sam, jaymunro, SethHodgson, hober, adrianba, yang, Mike, mjs, Janina, Plh, Clarke, John_Foliot, [Microsoft], ddorwin, [Microsoft.a],

16:21:30 [Zakim]

... +1.818.370.aaaa, Cynthia_Shelly, whitech, Martin

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jaymunro has krisk

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[Microsoft.a] has eliot

16:21:41 [glenn]

zakim, who's noisy?

16:21:49 [hober]

hober: at this time, i don't want to commit to only countering the mechanism and not the use case

16:21:52 [Zakim]

glenn, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Janina (10%), Plh (32%)

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hober: also, ordering of this issue with other issues is not something i control, so i'm not sure what janina would like me to say with regard to that

16:22:31 [glenn]

zakim, mute plh

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Plh should now be muted

16:22:52 [krisk]

janina: well we want to get html5 done, the use case has been discussed for sometime

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janina: happy to discuss, though no need to do this right now..

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janina: issue-30 should occur first

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hober: I'm not concerned about the ordering...

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janina: I'm objecting you working on this before others

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hober: I'm not working on this before the others

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sam: The net is that an extension has been granted by the chairs

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+Q to ask the Chairs what will happen after July 10th, given this Issue WAS closed June 20th

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..for issue-203

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janina: I'm not sure we have enough to re-open this issue

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janina: debating 203 before issue-30 is not going to work

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ack next

16:26:27 [Zakim]

JF, you wanted to ask the Chairs what will happen after July 10th, given this Issue WAS closed June 20th

16:26:45 [krisk]

JF: I'm not sure if this issue is re-opened?

16:27:08 [krisk]

JF: what is the plan - will it close at somepoint

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JF: issue was closed on june 20th

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mjs: The call for consensus when out but was not actually closed on the 20th

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sam: note that this is dependent on issue-30

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JF: So now the deadline is July 10th, what happens on the 11th?

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q+

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ack next

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plh: does it make sense to close this before issue-30?

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plh: will we close this then before issue-30

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JF: I have no objection to defering issue-203 until issue-30 is resolved

16:31:22 [krisk]

sam: I'll send a note to the list about this discussion

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sam: any objections?

16:31:41 [krisk]

no objections to this...

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sam: can we move on to Proposed adaptive image element?

16:31:59 [rubys]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jun/0130.html

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janina: works for me...

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sam: not clear if this is needed for html5 or should be in html.next

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q+

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ack next

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adrianba: I think the list would be 'OK' to have this be in HTML.NEXT

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adrianba: though people don't want to wait a long time

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q+

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ack next

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adrianab: such that people would start to impl this sooner

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plh: should we make this a HTML.NEXT proposal and work on it their?

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s/adrianab/adrianba/

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q+

16:34:27 [krisk]

agreement from the WG on this change

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jun/0135.html

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Technical Editor for HTML Working Group has been sent to the list

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16:35:33 [yang]

when the html.next will be discussed? after html5 REC?

16:35:34 [krisk]

plh: w3c will hire an individual for 1 year and will complement the editor work

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plh: participants can apply for this position

16:36:00 [glenn]

is there a timeline for resolving the editor team?

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i.e., if it takes an unspecified time to hire a lead editor...

16:36:37 [krisk]

sam: we are still evaluating - hopefully it be in a matter of days

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tnx

16:37:10 [krisk]

sam: editors may come on in stages (not optimal) but we won't block

16:37:33 [plh]

ack yang

16:38:22 [krisk]

yang: will html.next be discussed or will it start once html5 gets to REC?

16:38:29 [krisk]

sam: it will be in //

16:38:41 [tantek]

yang - you can discuss HTML6 any time you want - create a page on the W3C wiki and feel free to brainstorm there

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http://dev.w3.org/html5/decision-policy/html5-stabilization-plan.html#Q5

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yang: if we find something in html.next very useful can we move this to html5?

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sam: it's possible though major changes will face resistance

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sam: any, any other business?

16:40:11 [glenn]

i can scribe

16:40:15 [krisk]

no one is on the queue

16:40:17 [tantek]

krisk - I'd say better chance of going directly to browser implementers and asking them to consider implementing

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(or if that was yang)

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-mjs

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-Martin

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-Mike

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-John_Foliot

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- +1.818.370.aaaa

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-[Microsoft]

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-Plh

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-SethHodgson

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-Cynthia_Shelly

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-Sam

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-hober

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-Janina

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-whitech

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-[Microsoft.a]

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-adrianba

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-Clarke

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-yang

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-glenn

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meeting adjourned

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rrsagent, generate minutes

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-jaymunro

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Attendees were yang, glenn, Sam, SethHodgson, krisk, hober, jaymunro, adrianba, Mike, mjs, Plh, Janina, Clarke, John_Foliot, [Microsoft], ddorwin, Cynthia_Shelly, eliot,

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... +1.818.370.aaaa, whitech, Martin

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