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16:00:27 Zakim, this will be html_wg
16:00:27 ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
16:00:28 Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
16:00:28 Date: 28 June 2012
16:00:32 krisk has joined #html-wg
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16:00:39 yang, i'm still hearing noise from you, so its best to stay muted, either locally on your end or via zakim, until you wish to speak
16:01:15 -yang
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16:01:24 +[Microsoft]
16:01:34 it was before you joined sam
16:01:38 +SethHodgson
16:01:58 zakim, [Microsoft] has krisk
16:01:58 +krisk; got it
16:02:03 +hober
16:02:05 i was hearing local noise at yang's end (fan + typing, etc)
16:02:13 Zakim, [Microsoft] is me
16:02:13 +jaymunro; got it
16:02:15 +[Microsoft]
16:02:27 zakim, [Microsoft] is me
16:02:27 +adrianba; got it
16:02:38 +??P16
16:02:49 Zakim, call Mike
16:02:49 ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
16:02:50 +Mike
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16:02:54 zakim, ??P16 is me
16:02:54 +yang; got it
16:02:56 zakim, who is here?
16:02:56 On the phone I see glenn (muted), Sam, jaymunro, SethHodgson, hober, adrianba, yang, Mike (muted)
16:02:58 jaymunro has krisk
16:02:58 On IRC I see janina, jaymunro, SethHodgson, krisk, RRSAgent, mjs, rubys, J_Voracek, adrianba, icaaq, yang, plh, vimeo_joe, glenn, davidb, miketaylr, MikeSmith, myakura, ArtB,
16:03:00 ... nonge, drublic, Lachy, CIA-1, krijnh, kennyluck, logbot, johndrinkwater, decadance, timeless, shepazu, arronei, karl, ybit, hiro, Wilto, Zakim, jgraham, Dashiva, ed, heycam,
16:03:03 ... gavin, gsnedders, lgombos, hober, trackbot, Philip, hsivonen, jmb, Hixie, inimino, MikeSmithW3C, odinho, paul___irish, Jedi
16:03:14 +mjs
16:03:17 +Plh
16:03:19 +??P18
16:03:26 zakim, ??P18 is Janina
16:03:26 +Janina; got it
16:03:27 +Clarke
16:03:31 +John_Foliot
16:04:03 Agenda ->
16:04:04 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2012AprJun/0042.html
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16:04:11 scribe: krisk
16:04:24 #1 1. ACTION items due by Thursday, June 28
16:04:39 First item is ACTION-217: Create a joint Path location add hit testing binding...
16:05:00 Zakim, list attendees
16:05:00 As of this point the attendees have been yang, glenn, Sam, SethHodgson, krisk, hober, jaymunro, adrianba, Mike, mjs, Plh, Janina, Clarke, John_Foliot
16:05:06 ACTION-217?
16:05:06 ACTION-217 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to create a joint Path location add hit testing binding CP for ISSUE-201 that binds canvas to fallback content (Rich, Ted, Frank) -- due 2012-06-21 -- OPEN
16:05:06 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/217
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16:05:16 lot's of echo on line
16:05:32 +[Microsoft]
16:05:36 +[GVoice]
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16:05:48 Glen: frank and myself met last week and are in the process of formalizing the discussion
16:05:58 s/Glen/hober/
16:05:59 s/Glen:/Ted:/
16:05:59 s/Glen/ted/
16:06:01 sam: do we have any update on schedule?
16:06:09 zakim, [GVoice] is me
16:06:09 +ddorwin; got it
16:06:26 sam: any more comments/questions for hober?
16:06:29 +[Microsoft.a]
16:06:33 Zakim, +R_Berkoff
16:06:33 I wonder where R_Berkoff is
16:06:34 +Cynthia_Shelly
16:06:37 Next ACTION-219: Review Michael Cooper's CP for ISSUE-199a
16:06:54 zakim, microsoft.a has me
16:06:54 +eliot; got it
16:07:03 ACTION-219?
16:07:03 ACTION-219 -- Edward O'Connor to review Michael Cooper's CP for ISSUE-199a -- due 2012-06-22 -- OPEN
16:07:03 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/219
16:07:08 Hober: I reviewed this last friday and send this to Michael
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16:07:40 janina: Michael this looks good - except for some language (not optimal)
16:09:23 msj: can Michael agree that the editor can make an update to the language?
16:09:37 s/msj/mjs/
16:10:01 msj: Then as long as Michael makes his update we should have consensus
16:10:20 s/msj/mjs/
16:10:20 Zakim, +R_Berkoff
16:10:20 I wonder where R_Berkoff is
16:10:23 janina: Michael should be able to make his update in a day or so
16:10:33 Next Update New Issues This Week:
16:10:35 Zakim, GVoice is me
16:10:35 sorry, R_Berkoff, I do not recognize a party named 'GVoice'
16:10:43 ISSUE-206: Should HTML5 have a meta generator exception to the alt requirement?
16:10:43 ISSUE-206 Should HTML5 have a meta generator exception to the alt requirement? notes added
16:10:53 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/206 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jun/0137.html
16:10:58 Zakim, [GVoice] is me
16:10:58 sorry, R_Berkoff, I do not recognize a party named '[GVoice]'
16:11:02 sam: any discussions?
16:11:05 sam: none
16:11:18 -Cynthia_Shelly
16:11:20 Next Items Closed Last Week
16:11:27 ISSUE-184: data-element, survey closed Jun 21
16:11:27 ISSUE-184 Add a data element notes added
16:11:36 ISSUE-185: drop-pubdate and add moddate, surveys closed Jun 21
16:11:36 ISSUE-185 Drop the pubdate attribute notes added
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16:12:09 +Cynthia_Shelly
16:12:10 Next Up is Items Closing This Week
16:12:26 ISSUE-195: form-http-req, Revise Change Proposals closes Jun 27
16:12:28 ISSUE-195 Enhance http request generation from forms notes added
16:12:34 chairs are reviewing
16:12:42 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0263.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jun/0136.html
16:12:52 Next Items Closing Next Week
16:13:08 +whitech
16:13:09 ISSUE-189: uri-web-prefix, Revise Change Proposals extension closes Jul 6
16:13:10 ISSUE-189 Prefix convention needs to be coordinated with IETF notes added
16:13:17 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0316.html
16:13:23 ISSUE-200: legend-placement, Revise Change Proposals closes Jul 6
16:13:23 ISSUE-200 Allow wrapping LEGEND (or new iLEGEND) in non-FIELDSET elements notes added
16:13:29 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jun/0099.html
16:13:39 sam: note they both close on July 6th
16:13:49 Next New Calls this week
16:13:59 ISSUE-206: meta-generator
16:13:59 ISSUE-206 Should HTML5 have a meta generator exception to the alt requirement? notes added
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16:14:19 alternale/counter proposals are due by July 27th
16:14:28 Next New Surveys this week
16:14:31 none
16:14:39 Decisions this week
16:14:40 none
16:14:47 Other Business
16:14:54 #1 HTML WG rechartering
16:14:55 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jun/0104.html
16:15:02 q+
16:15:11 Sam: a small amount of discussion
16:15:15 ack plh
16:15:30 plh: mike is working on this (dependancy)
16:16:07 plh: The RDFa will be moved to a different working group and this was moved from the HTML WG charter
16:16:15 yeah, I have since removed HTML + RDFa as a deliverable from the draft charter
16:16:43 plh: People need to comment on this change to the charter
16:16:49 ISSUE-203 media-descriptions
16:17:02 hober asked for an extension and chairs agreed
16:17:29 janina: what was the issue? use case?
16:18:18 hober: some of the information is redundant
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16:19:33 janina: the mechanism is tied to ISSUE-30 and we are out of sequence
16:19:35 +Martin
16:20:49 janina: I am not opposed to taking this under advisement
16:21:27 zakim, who's on the phone?
16:21:27 On the phone I see glenn (muted), Sam, jaymunro, SethHodgson, hober, adrianba, yang, Mike, mjs, Janina, Plh, Clarke, John_Foliot, [Microsoft], ddorwin, [Microsoft.a],
16:21:30 ... +1.818.370.aaaa, Cynthia_Shelly, whitech, Martin
16:21:30 jaymunro has krisk
16:21:30 [Microsoft.a] has eliot
16:21:41 zakim, who's noisy?
16:21:49 hober: at this time, i don't want to commit to only countering the mechanism and not the use case
16:21:52 glenn, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Janina (10%), Plh (32%)
16:22:23 hober: also, ordering of this issue with other issues is not something i control, so i'm not sure what janina would like me to say with regard to that
16:22:31 zakim, mute plh
16:22:31 Plh should now be muted
16:22:52 janina: well we want to get html5 done, the use case has been discussed for sometime
16:23:10 janina: happy to discuss, though no need to do this right now..
16:23:25 janina: issue-30 should occur first
16:23:59 hober: I'm not concerned about the ordering...
16:24:16 janina: I'm objecting you working on this before others
16:24:28 hober: I'm not working on this before the others
16:24:51 sam: The net is that an extension has been granted by the chairs
16:25:01 +Q to ask the Chairs what will happen after July 10th, given this Issue WAS closed June 20th
16:25:04 ..for issue-203
16:25:44 janina: I'm not sure we have enough to re-open this issue
16:26:07 janina: debating 203 before issue-30 is not going to work
16:26:26 ack next
16:26:27 JF, you wanted to ask the Chairs what will happen after July 10th, given this Issue WAS closed June 20th
16:26:45 JF: I'm not sure if this issue is re-opened?
16:27:08 JF: what is the plan - will it close at somepoint
16:27:30 JF: issue was closed on june 20th
16:28:27 mjs: The call for consensus when out but was not actually closed on the 20th
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16:28:50 sam: note that this is dependent on issue-30
16:29:10 JF: So now the deadline is July 10th, what happens on the 11th?
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16:29:26 q+
16:29:38 ack next
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16:30:07 plh: does it make sense to close this before issue-30?
16:30:26 plh: will we close this then before issue-30
16:30:52 JF: I have no objection to defering issue-203 until issue-30 is resolved
16:31:22 sam: I'll send a note to the list about this discussion
16:31:30 sam: any objections?
16:31:41 no objections to this...
16:31:54 sam: can we move on to Proposed adaptive image element?
16:31:59 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jun/0130.html
16:32:02 janina: works for me...
16:32:30 sam: not clear if this is needed for html5 or should be in html.next
16:32:33 q+
16:32:41 ack next
16:33:07 adrianba: I think the list would be 'OK' to have this be in HTML.NEXT
16:33:22 adrianba: though people don't want to wait a long time
16:33:27 q+
16:33:38 ack next
16:33:41 adrianab: such that people would start to impl this sooner
16:34:03 plh: should we make this a HTML.NEXT proposal and work on it their?
16:34:06 s/adrianab/adrianba/
16:34:26 q+
16:34:27 agreement from the WG on this change
16:34:36 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jun/0135.html
16:34:45 Technical Editor for HTML Working Group has been sent to the list
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16:35:33 when the html.next will be discussed? after html5 REC?
16:35:34 plh: w3c will hire an individual for 1 year and will complement the editor work
16:35:57 plh: participants can apply for this position
16:36:00 is there a timeline for resolving the editor team?
16:36:28 i.e., if it takes an unspecified time to hire a lead editor...
16:36:37 sam: we are still evaluating - hopefully it be in a matter of days
16:37:03 tnx
16:37:10 sam: editors may come on in stages (not optimal) but we won't block
16:37:33 ack yang
16:38:22 yang: will html.next be discussed or will it start once html5 gets to REC?
16:38:29 sam: it will be in //
16:38:41 yang - you can discuss HTML6 any time you want - create a page on the W3C wiki and feel free to brainstorm there
16:38:51 http://dev.w3.org/html5/decision-policy/html5-stabilization-plan.html#Q5
16:39:23 yang: if we find something in html.next very useful can we move this to html5?
16:39:44 sam: it's possible though major changes will face resistance
16:39:52 sam: any, any other business?
16:40:11 i can scribe
16:40:15 no one is on the queue
16:40:17 krisk - I'd say better chance of going directly to browser implementers and asking them to consider implementing
16:40:28 (or if that was yang)
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16:40:35 -[Microsoft]
16:40:36 -Plh
16:40:36 -SethHodgson
16:40:38 -Cynthia_Shelly
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16:40:40 -hober
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16:40:46 -[Microsoft.a]
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16:40:51 -Clarke
16:40:52 -yang
16:40:54 -glenn
16:41:21 meeting adjourned
16:41:22 RRSAgent, make logs public
16:41:32 rrsagent, generate minutes
16:41:32 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/28-html-wg-minutes.html krisk
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