IRC log of html-wg on 2012-06-28
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/06/28-html-wg-irc
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be html_wg
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- ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
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- Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
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- Date: 28 June 2012
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- yang, i'm still hearing noise from you, so its best to stay muted, either locally on your end or via zakim, until you wish to speak
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- -yang
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- +[Microsoft]
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- it was before you joined sam
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- +SethHodgson
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- zakim, [Microsoft] has krisk
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- +krisk; got it
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- +hober
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- i was hearing local noise at yang's end (fan + typing, etc)
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- Zakim, [Microsoft] is me
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- +jaymunro; got it
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- +[Microsoft]
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- zakim, [Microsoft] is me
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- +adrianba; got it
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- +??P16
- 16:02:49 [MikeSmith]
- Zakim, call Mike
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- ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
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- +Mike
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- zakim, ??P16 is me
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- +yang; got it
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- zakim, who is here?
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- On the phone I see glenn (muted), Sam, jaymunro, SethHodgson, hober, adrianba, yang, Mike (muted)
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- jaymunro has krisk
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- On IRC I see janina, jaymunro, SethHodgson, krisk, RRSAgent, mjs, rubys, J_Voracek, adrianba, icaaq, yang, plh, vimeo_joe, glenn, davidb, miketaylr, MikeSmith, myakura, ArtB,
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- ... nonge, drublic, Lachy, CIA-1, krijnh, kennyluck, logbot, johndrinkwater, decadance, timeless, shepazu, arronei, karl, ybit, hiro, Wilto, Zakim, jgraham, Dashiva, ed, heycam,
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- ... gavin, gsnedders, lgombos, hober, trackbot, Philip, hsivonen, jmb, Hixie, inimino, MikeSmithW3C, odinho, paul___irish, Jedi
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- +mjs
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- +Plh
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- +??P18
- 16:03:26 [janina]
- zakim, ??P18 is Janina
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- +Janina; got it
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- +Clarke
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- +John_Foliot
- 16:04:03 [krisk]
- Agenda ->
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2012AprJun/0042.html
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- scribe: krisk
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- #1 1. ACTION items due by Thursday, June 28
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- First item is ACTION-217: Create a joint Path location add hit testing binding...
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- Zakim, list attendees
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- As of this point the attendees have been yang, glenn, Sam, SethHodgson, krisk, hober, jaymunro, adrianba, Mike, mjs, Plh, Janina, Clarke, John_Foliot
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- ACTION-217?
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- ACTION-217 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to create a joint Path location add hit testing binding CP for ISSUE-201 that binds canvas to fallback content (Rich, Ted, Frank) -- due 2012-06-21 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/217
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- 16:05:16 [glenn]
- lot's of echo on line
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- +[Microsoft]
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- +[GVoice]
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- Glen: frank and myself met last week and are in the process of formalizing the discussion
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- s/Glen/hober/
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- s/Glen:/Ted:/
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- s/Glen/ted/
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- sam: do we have any update on schedule?
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- zakim, [GVoice] is me
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- +ddorwin; got it
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- sam: any more comments/questions for hober?
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- +[Microsoft.a]
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- Zakim, +R_Berkoff
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- I wonder where R_Berkoff is
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- +Cynthia_Shelly
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- Next ACTION-219: Review Michael Cooper's CP for ISSUE-199a
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- zakim, microsoft.a has me
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- +eliot; got it
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- ACTION-219?
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- ACTION-219 -- Edward O'Connor to review Michael Cooper's CP for ISSUE-199a -- due 2012-06-22 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/219
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- Hober: I reviewed this last friday and send this to Michael
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- janina: Michael this looks good - except for some language (not optimal)
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- msj: can Michael agree that the editor can make an update to the language?
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- s/msj/mjs/
- 16:10:01 [krisk]
- msj: Then as long as Michael makes his update we should have consensus
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- s/msj/mjs/
- 16:10:20 [R_Berkoff]
- Zakim, +R_Berkoff
- 16:10:20 [Zakim]
- I wonder where R_Berkoff is
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- janina: Michael should be able to make his update in a day or so
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- Next Update New Issues This Week:
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- Zakim, GVoice is me
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- sorry, R_Berkoff, I do not recognize a party named 'GVoice'
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- ISSUE-206: Should HTML5 have a meta generator exception to the alt requirement?
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- ISSUE-206 Should HTML5 have a meta generator exception to the alt requirement? notes added
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- http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/206 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jun/0137.html
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- Zakim, [GVoice] is me
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- sorry, R_Berkoff, I do not recognize a party named '[GVoice]'
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- sam: any discussions?
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- sam: none
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- -Cynthia_Shelly
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- Next Items Closed Last Week
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- ISSUE-184: data-element, survey closed Jun 21
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- ISSUE-184 Add a data element notes added
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- ISSUE-185: drop-pubdate and add moddate, surveys closed Jun 21
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- ISSUE-185 Drop the pubdate attribute notes added
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- + +1.818.370.aaaa
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- +Cynthia_Shelly
- 16:12:10 [krisk]
- Next Up is Items Closing This Week
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- ISSUE-195: form-http-req, Revise Change Proposals closes Jun 27
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- ISSUE-195 Enhance http request generation from forms notes added
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- chairs are reviewing
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0263.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jun/0136.html
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- Next Items Closing Next Week
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- +whitech
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- ISSUE-189: uri-web-prefix, Revise Change Proposals extension closes Jul 6
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- ISSUE-189 Prefix convention needs to be coordinated with IETF notes added
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0316.html
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- ISSUE-200: legend-placement, Revise Change Proposals closes Jul 6
- 16:13:23 [trackbot]
- ISSUE-200 Allow wrapping LEGEND (or new iLEGEND) in non-FIELDSET elements notes added
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jun/0099.html
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- sam: note they both close on July 6th
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- Next New Calls this week
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- ISSUE-206: meta-generator
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- ISSUE-206 Should HTML5 have a meta generator exception to the alt requirement? notes added
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- alternale/counter proposals are due by July 27th
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- Next New Surveys this week
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- none
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- Decisions this week
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- none
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- Other Business
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- #1 HTML WG rechartering
- 16:14:55 [rubys]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jun/0104.html
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- q+
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- Sam: a small amount of discussion
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- ack plh
- 16:15:30 [krisk]
- plh: mike is working on this (dependancy)
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- plh: The RDFa will be moved to a different working group and this was moved from the HTML WG charter
- 16:16:15 [MikeSmith]
- yeah, I have since removed HTML + RDFa as a deliverable from the draft charter
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- plh: People need to comment on this change to the charter
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- ISSUE-203 media-descriptions
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- hober asked for an extension and chairs agreed
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- janina: what was the issue? use case?
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- hober: some of the information is redundant
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- janina: the mechanism is tied to ISSUE-30 and we are out of sequence
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- +Martin
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- janina: I am not opposed to taking this under advisement
- 16:21:27 [glenn]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
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- On the phone I see glenn (muted), Sam, jaymunro, SethHodgson, hober, adrianba, yang, Mike, mjs, Janina, Plh, Clarke, John_Foliot, [Microsoft], ddorwin, [Microsoft.a],
- 16:21:30 [Zakim]
- ... +1.818.370.aaaa, Cynthia_Shelly, whitech, Martin
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- jaymunro has krisk
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- [Microsoft.a] has eliot
- 16:21:41 [glenn]
- zakim, who's noisy?
- 16:21:49 [hober]
- hober: at this time, i don't want to commit to only countering the mechanism and not the use case
- 16:21:52 [Zakim]
- glenn, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Janina (10%), Plh (32%)
- 16:22:23 [hober]
- hober: also, ordering of this issue with other issues is not something i control, so i'm not sure what janina would like me to say with regard to that
- 16:22:31 [glenn]
- zakim, mute plh
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- Plh should now be muted
- 16:22:52 [krisk]
- janina: well we want to get html5 done, the use case has been discussed for sometime
- 16:23:10 [krisk]
- janina: happy to discuss, though no need to do this right now..
- 16:23:25 [krisk]
- janina: issue-30 should occur first
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- hober: I'm not concerned about the ordering...
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- janina: I'm objecting you working on this before others
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- hober: I'm not working on this before the others
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- sam: The net is that an extension has been granted by the chairs
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- +Q to ask the Chairs what will happen after July 10th, given this Issue WAS closed June 20th
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- ..for issue-203
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- janina: I'm not sure we have enough to re-open this issue
- 16:26:07 [krisk]
- janina: debating 203 before issue-30 is not going to work
- 16:26:26 [rubys]
- ack next
- 16:26:27 [Zakim]
- JF, you wanted to ask the Chairs what will happen after July 10th, given this Issue WAS closed June 20th
- 16:26:45 [krisk]
- JF: I'm not sure if this issue is re-opened?
- 16:27:08 [krisk]
- JF: what is the plan - will it close at somepoint
- 16:27:30 [krisk]
- JF: issue was closed on june 20th
- 16:28:27 [krisk]
- mjs: The call for consensus when out but was not actually closed on the 20th
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- sam: note that this is dependent on issue-30
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- JF: So now the deadline is July 10th, what happens on the 11th?
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- q+
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- ack next
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- plh: does it make sense to close this before issue-30?
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- plh: will we close this then before issue-30
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- JF: I have no objection to defering issue-203 until issue-30 is resolved
- 16:31:22 [krisk]
- sam: I'll send a note to the list about this discussion
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- sam: any objections?
- 16:31:41 [krisk]
- no objections to this...
- 16:31:54 [krisk]
- sam: can we move on to Proposed adaptive image element?
- 16:31:59 [rubys]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jun/0130.html
- 16:32:02 [krisk]
- janina: works for me...
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- sam: not clear if this is needed for html5 or should be in html.next
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- q+
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- ack next
- 16:33:07 [krisk]
- adrianba: I think the list would be 'OK' to have this be in HTML.NEXT
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- adrianba: though people don't want to wait a long time
- 16:33:27 [plh]
- q+
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- ack next
- 16:33:41 [krisk]
- adrianab: such that people would start to impl this sooner
- 16:34:03 [krisk]
- plh: should we make this a HTML.NEXT proposal and work on it their?
- 16:34:06 [rubys]
- s/adrianab/adrianba/
- 16:34:26 [yang]
- q+
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- agreement from the WG on this change
- 16:34:36 [rubys]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jun/0135.html
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- Technical Editor for HTML Working Group has been sent to the list
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- 16:35:33 [yang]
- when the html.next will be discussed? after html5 REC?
- 16:35:34 [krisk]
- plh: w3c will hire an individual for 1 year and will complement the editor work
- 16:35:57 [krisk]
- plh: participants can apply for this position
- 16:36:00 [glenn]
- is there a timeline for resolving the editor team?
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- i.e., if it takes an unspecified time to hire a lead editor...
- 16:36:37 [krisk]
- sam: we are still evaluating - hopefully it be in a matter of days
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- tnx
- 16:37:10 [krisk]
- sam: editors may come on in stages (not optimal) but we won't block
- 16:37:33 [plh]
- ack yang
- 16:38:22 [krisk]
- yang: will html.next be discussed or will it start once html5 gets to REC?
- 16:38:29 [krisk]
- sam: it will be in //
- 16:38:41 [tantek]
- yang - you can discuss HTML6 any time you want - create a page on the W3C wiki and feel free to brainstorm there
- 16:38:51 [rubys]
- http://dev.w3.org/html5/decision-policy/html5-stabilization-plan.html#Q5
- 16:39:23 [krisk]
- yang: if we find something in html.next very useful can we move this to html5?
- 16:39:44 [krisk]
- sam: it's possible though major changes will face resistance
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- sam: any, any other business?
- 16:40:11 [glenn]
- i can scribe
- 16:40:15 [krisk]
- no one is on the queue
- 16:40:17 [tantek]
- krisk - I'd say better chance of going directly to browser implementers and asking them to consider implementing
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- (or if that was yang)
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- -mjs
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- -Martin
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- -Mike
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- -John_Foliot
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- - +1.818.370.aaaa
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- -[Microsoft]
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- -Plh
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- -SethHodgson
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- -Cynthia_Shelly
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- -Sam
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- -hober
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- -Janina
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- -whitech
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- -[Microsoft.a]
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- -adrianba
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- -Clarke
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- -yang
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- -glenn
- 16:41:21 [krisk]
- meeting adjourned
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- rrsagent, generate minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/28-html-wg-minutes.html krisk
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- -jaymunro
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- Attendees were yang, glenn, Sam, SethHodgson, krisk, hober, jaymunro, adrianba, Mike, mjs, Plh, Janina, Clarke, John_Foliot, [Microsoft], ddorwin, Cynthia_Shelly, eliot,
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