15:03:21 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #html-media
15:03:21 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/06/19-html-media-irc
15:03:35 <Zakim> Zakim has joined #html-media
15:03:49 <paulc> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:03:49 <Zakim> sorry, paulc, I don't know what conference this is
15:03:51 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, markw, johnsim-microsoft, whitech, Martin, BobLund, pladd, paulc, acolwell, suzie, Clarke, ddorwin, duncanr, yang, MikeSmith, trackbot
15:03:51 <Clarke> zakim, this will be html_media
15:03:51 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, Clarke
15:04:02 <Clarke> scribe: Clarke
15:04:08 <Clarke> Scribe: Clarke
15:04:21 <Clarke> Chair: paulc
15:04:21 <paulc> zakim, this will be media
15:04:21 <Zakim> ok, paulc; I see HTML_WG()11:00AM scheduled to start 4 minutes ago
15:04:44 <Mark_Vickers> Mark_Vickers has joined #html-media
15:04:53 <paulc> zakim, who is on the call?
15:04:53 <Zakim> HTML_WG()11:00AM has not yet started, paulc
15:04:54 <Clarke> ScribeNick: Clarke
15:04:54 <Zakim> On IRC I see Mark_Vickers, Zakim, RRSAgent, markw, johnsim-microsoft, whitech, Martin, BobLund, pladd, paulc, acolwell, suzie, Clarke, ddorwin, duncanr, yang, MikeSmith, trackbot
15:04:54 <adrianba> adrianba has joined #html-media
15:05:36 <Clarke> Meeting: HTML Media Teleconference
15:05:36 <Mark_Vickers> Mark_Vickers has left #html-media
15:05:46 <Mark_Vickers> Mark_Vickers has joined #html-media
15:06:17 <paulc> zakim, what meeting is this?
15:06:17 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, paulc.
15:06:21 <ddorwin> zakim, [GVoice] is ddorwin
15:06:21 <Zakim> sorry, ddorwin, I do not recognize a party named '[GVoice]'
15:06:40 <paulc> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:06:40 <Zakim> HTML_WG()11:00AM has not yet started, paulc
15:06:41 <Zakim> On IRC I see Mark_Vickers, adrianba, Zakim, RRSAgent, markw, johnsim-microsoft, whitech, Martin, BobLund, pladd, paulc, acolwell, suzie, Clarke, ddorwin, duncanr, yang, MikeSmith,
15:06:41 <Zakim> ... trackbot
15:06:55 <MikeSmith> yang, telcon is on now
15:07:07 <MikeSmith> trackbot, start meeting
15:07:09 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs 185
15:07:09 <yang> thanks, mike, got it.
15:07:11 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 63342
15:07:11 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()11:00AM scheduled to start 7 minutes ago
15:07:12 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Media Teleconference
15:07:12 <trackbot> Date: 19 June 2012
15:07:40 <MikeSmith> yang, btw, I know almost nothing about sip/voip clients, what options there are. sorry
15:07:42 <paulc> zakim, who is on the call?
15:07:42 <Zakim> HTML_WG()11:00AM has not yet started, paulc
15:07:44 <Zakim> On IRC I see Mark_Vickers, adrianba, Zakim, RRSAgent, markw, johnsim-microsoft, whitech, Martin, BobLund, pladd, paulc, acolwell, suzie, Clarke, ddorwin, duncanr, yang, MikeSmith,
15:07:44 <Zakim> ... trackbot
15:08:01 <MikeSmith> Zakim, this will be HTML_WG
15:08:01 <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith, I see HTML_WG()11:00AM already started
15:08:09 <paulc> Mike: Can you help us get the phone list?
15:08:27 <MikeSmith> Zakim, who's on the phone
15:08:27 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who's on the phone', MikeSmith
15:08:30 <MikeSmith> Zakim, who's on the phone?
15:08:30 <Zakim> On the phone I see +44.303.040.aaaa, ??P8, +1.818.312.aabb, +1.818.560.aacc, +1.760.591.aadd, [Microsoft], +1.613.287.aaee, +1.206.218.aaff, +1.425.888.aagg, [GVoice],
15:08:33 <Zakim> ... +1.415.867.aahh, +1.858.485.aaii, Mark_Vickers, [Microsoft.a]
15:08:34 <yang> mike, it doesn't matter, when i returned home there will be no problem.
15:08:39 <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike
15:08:39 <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
15:08:41 <Zakim> +Mike
15:08:50 <adrianba> zakim, [Microsoft.a] is me
15:08:51 <Zakim> +adrianba; got it
15:08:52 <Zakim> +??P48
15:08:53 <markw> Zakim, aahh is markw
15:08:54 <Zakim> +markw; got it
15:08:57 <ddorwin> zakim, [GVoice] is me
15:08:57 <Zakim> +ddorwin; got it
15:09:00 <Clarke> paulc: lots of new people
15:09:17 <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
15:09:17 <Zakim> +paulc; got it
15:09:21 <Clarke> Complaint of not identifying all on the call
15:09:46 <yang> should we have a self introduction?
15:09:55 <duncanr> zakim, +44.303.040.aaaa is me
15:09:55 <Zakim> +duncanr; got it
15:09:57 <Clarke> Mike: Try to get people to self-identify
15:10:09 <Clarke> paulc: took 1/2 hour of first call
15:10:24 <acolwell> zakim, +1.206.218.aaff is me
15:10:24 <Zakim> +acolwell; got it
15:10:26 <paulc> Who is calling (613)?
15:10:29 <Clarke> Mike: maybe cut off people who don't identify
15:10:52 <Clarke> zakim, ??P8 is me
15:10:52 <Zakim> +Clarke; got it
15:10:58 <Martin> zekam, +1.613.287.aaee is me
15:11:03 <suzie> zakim,+1.818.560.aacc is me
15:11:03 <Zakim> +suzie; got it
15:11:05 <Zakim> - +1.818.312.aabb
15:11:19 <adrianba> zakim, aaee is Martin
15:11:19 <Zakim> +Martin; got it
15:11:20 <Clarke> paulc: filling out phone list
15:11:27 <pladd> Zakim, +1.760.591.aadd is me
15:11:27 <Zakim> +pladd; got it
15:11:36 <BobLund> zakim, +1.303.661.3896 is me
15:11:36 <Zakim> sorry, BobLund, I do not recognize a party named '+1.303.661.3896'
15:11:37 <paulc> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:11:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see duncanr, Clarke, suzie, pladd, [Microsoft], Martin, acolwell, +1.425.888.aagg, ddorwin, markw, +1.858.485.aaii, Mark_Vickers, adrianba, Mike, ??P48
15:11:38 <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc
15:11:40 <johnsim-microsoft> zakim, +1.425.888.aagg is me
15:11:41 <Zakim> +johnsim-microsoft; got it
15:11:54 <Clarke> Mike: just a few left
15:12:25 <Zakim> + +1.360.367.aajj
15:13:34 <BobLund> zakim, 3896 is me
15:13:34 <Zakim> sorry, BobLund, I do not recognize a party named '3896'
15:13:46 <paulc> zakim, who is on the call?
15:13:46 <Zakim> On the phone I see duncanr, Clarke, suzie, pladd, [Microsoft], Martin, acolwell, johnsim-microsoft, ddorwin, markw, +1.858.485.aaii, Mark_Vickers, adrianba, Mike, ??P48,
15:13:50 <Zakim> ... +1.360.367.aajj
15:13:50 <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc
15:13:59 <Clarke> maybe ??P48 is Bob
15:14:11 <BobLund> zakim, p48 is me
15:14:11 <Zakim> sorry, BobLund, I do not recognize a party named 'p48'
15:14:16 <Clarke> That's what my number looks like
15:14:28 <whitech> zakim, 6060 is me
15:14:28 <Zakim> sorry, whitech, I do not recognize a party named '6060'
15:14:43 <BobLund> zakim, +1.303.661.aajj is me
15:14:43 <Zakim> sorry, BobLund, I do not recognize a party named '+1.303.661.aajj'
15:14:54 <Clarke> paulc: still sorting out phone numbers
15:15:07 <whitech> zakim, 1.858.485.6060 is me
15:15:07 <Zakim> sorry, whitech, I do not recognize a party named '1.858.485.6060'
15:15:35 <Clarke> zakim, i think ??P48 is BobLund
15:15:35 <Zakim> I don't understand 'i think ??P48 is BobLund', Clarke
15:15:38 <adrianba> zakim, aaii is whitech
15:15:38 <Zakim> +whitech; got it
15:15:44 <paulc> zakim, call is on the phone?
15:15:44 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, paulc.
15:15:51 <MikeSmith> whitech, try Zakim, +1.858.485.aaii is me
15:15:56 <paulc> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:15:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see duncanr, Clarke, suzie, pladd, [Microsoft], Martin, acolwell, johnsim-microsoft, ddorwin, markw, whitech, Mark_Vickers, adrianba, Mike, ??P48, +1.360.367.aajj
15:16:00 <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc
15:16:00 <Clarke> zakim, ??P48 is BobLund
15:16:00 <Zakim> +BobLund; got it
15:16:18 <whitech> zakim, aaii is me
15:16:18 <Zakim> sorry, whitech, I do not recognize a party named 'aaii'
15:16:36 <MikeSmith> Zakim, who's on the phone?
15:16:36 <Zakim> On the phone I see duncanr, Clarke, suzie, pladd, [Microsoft], Martin, acolwell, johnsim-microsoft, ddorwin, markw, whitech, Mark_Vickers, adrianba, Mike, BobLund, +1.360.367.aajj
15:16:39 <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc
15:16:46 <yang> zakim,+1.360.367.aajj is whitech
15:16:46 <Zakim> +whitech; got it
15:16:53 <Clarke> Mike: Continue with agenda
15:17:10 <whitech> zakim, no 858.485.6060 is whitech
15:17:10 <Zakim> I don't understand 'no 858.485.6060 is whitech', whitech
15:17:20 <MikeSmith> Zakim, who's on the phone?
15:17:20 <Zakim> On the phone I see duncanr, Clarke, suzie, pladd, [Microsoft], Martin, acolwell, johnsim-microsoft, ddorwin, markw, whitech, Mark_Vickers, adrianba, Mike, BobLund, whitech.a
15:17:23 <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc
15:17:34 <jasonlewis> jasonlewis has joined #html-media
15:17:36 <Clarke> paulc: should be faster next week
15:17:49 <Clarke> topic: roll call and selection of scribe
15:17:52 <jasonlewis> zakim, aajj is me
15:17:52 <Zakim> sorry, jasonlewis, I do not recognize a party named 'aajj'
15:18:12 <yang> zakim,+1.360.367.aajj is jasonlewis
15:18:12 <Zakim> sorry, yang, I do not recognize a party named '+1.360.367.aajj'
15:18:21 <Clarke> Topic: Roll call and selection of scribe
15:18:43 <Clarke> Topic: Previous meeting minutes
15:18:44 <MikeSmith> Zakim, whitech.a is jasonlewis 
15:18:44 <Zakim> +jasonlewis; got it
15:18:52 <Clarke> Minutes look fine
15:19:01 <Clarke> paulc: no action on minutes
15:19:08 <Clarke> Topic: Review of action items
15:19:11 <whitech> zakim, +1.858.485.aaii is whitech
15:19:11 <Zakim> sorry, whitech, I do not recognize a party named '+1.858.485.aaii'
15:19:13 <Clarke> paulc: no actions pending
15:19:18 <jasonlewis> zakim, who is here
15:19:18 <Zakim> jasonlewis, you need to end that query with '?'
15:19:24 <jasonlewis> zakim, who is here?
15:19:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see duncanr, Clarke, suzie, pladd, [Microsoft], Martin, acolwell, johnsim-microsoft, ddorwin, markw, whitech, Mark_Vickers, adrianba, Mike, BobLund, jasonlewis
15:19:27 <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc
15:19:27 <Zakim> On IRC I see jasonlewis, Mark_Vickers, adrianba, Zakim, RRSAgent, markw, johnsim-microsoft, whitech, Martin, BobLund, pladd, paulc, acolwell, suzie, Clarke, ddorwin, duncanr, yang,
15:19:28 <Zakim> ... MikeSmith, trackbot
15:19:44 <Clarke> Topic: Baseline documents and bugzilla
15:20:14 <Clarke> paulc: since this if first couple of meetings, I left this info, will be dropped next week
15:20:27 <Clarke> paulc: Aaron to start collecting bugs
15:20:40 <Clarke> Acolwell: started three threads for discussions
15:21:09 <Clarke> paulc: Three topics, 10-12 minutes on each
15:21:20 <Clarke> paulc: Aaron want to start onfirst topic?
15:21:23 <Clarke> Topic: Moving mediasource methods into separate objects
15:21:48 <Clarke> acolwell: majority of people seem to support this
15:21:58 <Clarke> ...fewer comments than expected
15:21:59 <acolwell> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2012Jun/0071.html
15:22:00 <Clarke> paulc: Is there a concrete description in message 71?
15:22:05 <Clarke> acolwell: yes
15:22:19 <Clarke> paulc: please step us through concrete items
15:22:29 <BobLund> q+
15:22:44 <Clarke> acolwell: introduced 3 objects,
15:22:51 <Clarke> ...mediasource object
15:22:52 <Clarke> ...you would use this object for appending
15:23:25 <Clarke> ...sourcebuffer objects map to source buffer in specification, append, abort, stream
15:23:43 <Clarke> ...mediasource object is responsible for managing lists of active source buffers and add source buffers during playback and announce readystate
15:23:57 <Clarke> ...now split into media objects
15:25:09 <yang> does media source still has the same problem of encrypted media on event firing at media element commented by mc last time?
15:25:14 <Clarke> paulc: maybe aaron type some of this
15:25:46 <paulc> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:25:46 <Zakim> On the phone I see duncanr, Clarke, suzie, pladd, [Microsoft], Martin, acolwell, johnsim-microsoft, ddorwin, markw, whitech, Mark_Vickers, adrianba, Mike, BobLund, jasonlewis
15:25:50 <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc
15:26:37 <acolwell> MediaSource is attached to the HTMLMediaElement by using URL.createObjectURL() to create a blob URL. The blob URL is then assigned to the src attribute on the HTMLMediaElement
15:27:03 <acolwell> Three object are being proposed Media, SourceBufferList, SourceBuffer
15:27:14 <paulc> ack bob
15:27:38 <Clarke> BobLund: recent email discussion about how new object linked to media element has that been resolved?
15:27:45 <Clarke> acolwell: did not see that
15:28:11 <Clarke> BobLund: How would you find media element linked to corresponding object
15:28:27 <Clarke> acolwell: about the source not the element attached
15:28:30 <adrianba> q+
15:28:41 <Clarke> ...i guess we could provider reference linking to media element
15:29:16 <Clarke> ...there was outstanding question. could specify media element since media object is new.
15:29:26 <Clarke> ...if multiple elements there may need to be a list
15:29:28 <paulc> ack ad
15:29:37 <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
15:29:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/19-html-media-minutes.html MikeSmith
15:30:00 <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make logs public
15:30:06 <Clarke> adrian: 2 points: I agree with aaron that there should be a restricting linking media source to single media element. don't think we need more
15:31:17 <Clarke> ...the idea of need to time events to new object and back to media element, I don't think that is necessary. JS app can remember association. Events fired against that should have sufficient info available.
15:31:26 <Clarke> acolwell: I agree. JS can keep track of this.
15:31:31 <Clarke> paulc: any other questions?
15:31:55 <yang> So can we modify the media element status in media source object to trigger media element fire a event we want?
15:32:00 <Clarke> acolwell: OK for me to update spec text?
15:32:31 <Clarke> paulc: question- I believe this is similar to 1st item for encrypted media proposal. Are we doing due diligence?
15:32:34 <adrianba> q+
15:32:41 <MikeSmith> present: duncanr Clarke suzie pladd PaulC Martin acolwell johnsim-microsoft ddorwin markw whitech Mark_Vickers adrianba MikeSmith BobLund jasonlewis
15:32:44 <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make logs public
15:32:53 <Clarke> ...maybe due to 1st meeting, but need to be clear whether we can make decision independent of two specs
15:33:06 <Clarke> acolwell: goal is similar but objects are independent
15:33:07 <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
15:33:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/19-html-media-minutes.html MikeSmith
15:33:15 <paulc> ack adr
15:33:32 <Clarke> ...may have consensus that object oriented approach is better
15:34:12 <Clarke> adrian: even if not new object the media source proposal is cleaner that CP spec. Decision can be made independently
15:34:29 <Clarke> paulc: any objection to moving media source methods into separate objects as defined in message 71?
15:34:51 <yang> I am ok.
15:35:11 <Clarke> Resolution: Aaron to make change and inform people that it is done.
15:35:14 <Clarke> paulc: Does that sound like a plan?
15:35:38 <Clarke> acolwell: Need to update links as well
15:35:51 <Clarke> RESOLUTION: Aaron to make change and inform people that it is done.
15:35:52 <markw> q+
15:36:31 <Clarke> paulc: reference the bug as well and make the link from the bug (2-ways)
15:36:31 <paulc> ack markw
15:37:14 <Clarke> markw: should we publish as editors draft?
15:37:14 <Clarke> paulc: ok by me. Mike?
15:37:25 <Clarke> Mike: no process or policy
15:38:23 <Clarke> ...all documentation on policy is for working drafts. Precedent is editors to mark as editors drafts before accepted
15:38:24 <Clarke> ...maybe say document not yet accepted as deliverable by WG
15:38:56 <Clarke> ...does not have to be marked as unofficial. Just note status with WG
15:39:03 <Clarke> paulc: send to editors to have them resolve this
15:39:26 <acolwell> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2012Jun/0072.html
15:39:33 <Clarke> paulc: 2nd bug? agenda item 5
15:39:40 <Clarke> Topic: Appending URLs
15:39:42 <Clarke> paulc: yang on IRC, but not phone
15:39:47 <adrianba> q?
15:40:20 <Clarke> paulc: Think he had questions on pending URL thread
15:40:23 <yang> yes
15:40:23 <Clarke> acolwell: bug about changing signature for append call
15:40:49 <Clarke> ...change to take optional start and length parameters
15:41:17 <Clarke> ...avoid need to pull into JS layer then back to user agend
15:41:18 <Clarke> ...allows UA to do things smarter with respect to caching
15:41:26 <adrianba> q+
15:41:33 <paulc> ack adrian
15:41:44 <Clarke> ...now synchronous, so can limit how quickly appending can happen
15:41:56 <Clarke> adrian: should we replace the current method or make as additional mechanism
15:42:49 <Clarke> ...perhaps have a file using file reader API, with URL would need blob and read with their switch - less efficient
15:42:51 <paulc> q?
15:42:52 <Clarke> ...could we make this as additional option rather than replacement?
15:43:22 <Zakim> + +1.425.269.aakk
15:43:22 <jasonlewis> q+
15:43:26 <Zakim> -johnsim-microsoft
15:43:26 <Clarke> acolwell: OK, trying to provide metric for media append
15:43:27 <Clarke> ...may need to modify to meet those needs
15:43:36 <Clarke> adrian: need to think about this a bit
15:43:50 <Clarke> acolwell: maybe too much to converge into single solution
15:43:52 <paulc> ack jason
15:44:13 <johnsim-microsoft> zakim, aakk is me
15:44:13 <Zakim> +johnsim-microsoft; got it
15:44:17 <Clarke> jason: did the ?? mechanism solve that
15:44:43 <Clarke> acolwell: orignal idea was to use blobs using blob builder
15:45:02 <Clarke> ...or from file. Filereader could give you blob
15:45:06 <yang> I think we may have an aditional method, during the drafting we may finally know whether we need "uint8array" parameter.
15:45:40 <acolwell> The append URL proposal attempts to improve the UA's ability to use the cache and to be able to rate limit appending.
15:46:01 <acolwell> It is possible that these two goals don't need to be solved with the same mechanism
15:46:14 <markw> q+
15:46:16 <adrianba> q+
15:46:38 <acolwell> If we allow the existing append mechanism to stay in the spec, then we need to figure out a new way to rate limit these appends
15:46:55 <paulc> ack mark
15:46:59 <Clarke> s/??/blob/
15:47:20 <paulc> ack ad
15:48:08 <Clarke> adrian: agree with adding new methods getstats from url. if downloading data having ua doing that by using range is most efficient : OK with change
15:48:57 <Clarke> ...if data already in JS, with no URL to read from, then creating a blob url over data in JS means round-trip through network
15:49:18 <yang> so rate limit solution only work for url alternative, no solution for existing mechanism to rate control? But I am ok for replacing old with url way....
15:49:35 <Clarke> ...need to create blob, then URL then pass asynchronously through net stack and back - lots of unnecessary processing over passing directly
15:49:47 <Clarke> paulc: aaron understand?
15:49:57 <Clarke> acolwell: yes, see how that could be problematic
15:51:05 <Clarke> adrian: however, yang made point: maybe keep original method, but mark in spec - still need to consider whether we really need it.
15:51:09 <Clarke> acolwell: keep original? answer now seems to be yes
15:51:46 <Clarke> paulc: WG will need to decide how to answer questions like that. Could file bug against old signature.
15:52:13 <Clarke> acolwell: OK. another question: what is convention? different names? overload?
15:52:38 <Clarke> adrian: can overload if method can be distinguished
15:52:39 <Clarke> paulc: just different number of parameters?
15:52:57 <Clarke> adrian: kind of. JS doesn't support overloading in this way
15:53:43 <Clarke> ... effectually, writing code into implicit method - figure out which sub method was intended
15:53:43 <Clarke> ...look at data passed in and figure it out
15:53:50 <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
15:53:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/19-html-media-minutes.html MikeSmith
15:54:01 <Clarke> paulc; 3rd item
15:54:13 <Clarke> paulc: add new method and mark old one at least at risk.
15:54:16 <acolwell> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2012Jun/0080.html
15:54:29 <Clarke> Topic: Time-stamp offset mechanism
15:55:05 <Clarke> acolwell: purpose is to allow appending media into a presentation that may have been created on a different timeline
15:55:05 <Clarke> ...ad insertion is one example - not only application
15:55:34 <Clarke> ...both pieces of content may start with time stamp 0
15:55:48 <Clarke> ...next insertion apply offset to media to insert with correct time
15:56:04 <Clarke> ...append will overwrite part of existing stream
15:56:16 <jasonlewis> q+
15:56:30 <Clarke> ...ex: 30 seconds added to time stamp
15:56:48 <paulc> ack jason
15:56:50 <markw> q+
15:56:52 <Clarke> ...can adjust offset again in other segment. Splice in content on a different time line
15:56:56 <adrianba> q+
15:57:16 <Clarke> jason: Does that media being appended have internal time stamp?
15:57:17 <Clarke> ...can use absolute rather than offset
15:57:34 <yang> I have question,  if previous append fail, new append can start from the success part of previous faild append? I thought if faild, new append will overwrite the whole part but not start from ....
15:57:36 <Clarke> acolwell: spec now requires time stamp to manage buffer
15:57:49 <BobLund> q+
15:58:15 <duncanr> q+
15:58:21 <Clarke> ...having knowledge of where actual time stamps are is issue. Say next segment will start at this time so don't need to know internal time.
15:58:35 <paulc> speakers - please be ready to type in your question
15:58:40 <Clarke> ...you then have to create mechanism for clearing offset - so don't have to disable
15:58:50 <Clarke> ...may need to talk more about mechanism
15:58:57 <paulc> ack mark
15:59:02 <Clarke> paulc: enter question in IRC if we run out of time
15:59:16 <Clarke> markw: aarons absolute time proposal seems good
15:59:29 <paulc> ack adri
16:00:07 <paulc> ack bob
16:00:20 <Clarke> adrian: might need a way to clear this. might consider having stack - pop offset off of stack. Don't need to remember where I am in time
16:00:29 <Clarke> Bob: have you considered how this would work with random access?
16:00:40 <Zakim> -Mark_Vickers
16:00:46 <Clarke> ...need to make sure there is random access - both backwards and forwards jumps
16:01:04 <Martin> q+
16:01:16 <paulc> ack dun
16:01:23 <Clarke> acolwell: all existing constraints about random access still apply
16:01:49 <Zakim> -whitech
16:01:53 <Clarke> duncan: do we really need to define mechanism for this or should we handle in JS?
16:01:58 <Clarke> acolwell: could do in application, but no guarantee of seamless
16:02:07 <Zakim> -pladd
16:02:18 <Clarke> ...JS not necessarily timely - no guarantee
16:02:22 <Martin> isn't absolute time and reset to presentation time enough, is there a use case for multiple splices where the application doesn't need to track timing?
16:02:45 <BobLund> We have implemented media insertion at the application level using an iFrame that overlays the media frame.
16:02:49 <paulc> ack martin
16:02:55 <Clarke> duncan: if using metadata track to indicate when you want event to fire
16:03:06 <Clarke> paulc: continue discussion on email
16:03:09 <Zakim> -BobLund
16:03:30 <Clarke> martin: seems absolute time, then reset should be enough. App needs to know where appending is taking place
16:03:48 <Clarke> paulc: over time. finish off. no other business.
16:03:58 <Clarke> ...next week on ecyrpted media. Scribe?
16:04:05 <Martin> i can try to scribe
16:04:12 <yang> bye 
16:04:26 <yang> see you thursday
16:04:42 <Clarke> ...one other question. Since this topic will come up in 2 weeks. Tues, July 3. 4th is US holiday. Will we have critical mass?
16:04:59 <Zakim> -Clarke
16:05:01 <Clarke> ...objecitons to July 3 meeting? No response, so we will meet on 3rd
16:05:06 <Clarke> ...next week encrypted media
16:05:17 <Clarke> ...lost audio. I guess we're done. :)
16:05:18 <yang> I am ok.
16:05:36 <yang> I always no audio ;)
16:05:42 <adrianba> rrsagent, make minutes
16:05:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/19-html-media-minutes.html adrianba
16:05:55 <Zakim> -adrianba
16:06:10 <Clarke> zakim, bye
16:06:10 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were +1.818.312.aabb, +1.613.287.aaee, +1.415.867.aahh, +1.858.485.aaii, Mark_Vickers, Mike, adrianba, markw, ddorwin, paulc, duncanr,
16:06:10 <Zakim> Zakim has left #html-media
16:06:13 <Zakim> ... acolwell, Clarke, suzie, Martin, pladd, johnsim-microsoft, whitech, BobLund, jasonlewis, +1.425.269.aakk
16:06:23 <Clarke> rrsagent, bye
16:06:23 <RRSAgent> I see no action items