IRC log of html-media on 2012-06-12

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14:58:08 [trackbot]: RRSAgent, make logs 185
14:58:10 [trackbot]: Zakim, this will be 63342
14:58:10 [Zakim]: ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
14:58:11 [trackbot]: Meeting: HTML Media Teleconference
14:58:11 [trackbot]: Date: 12 June 2012
14:58:38 [MikeSmith]: RRSAgent, make logs public
14:59:21 [paulc]: zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc and adrianba
14:59:21 [Zakim]: sorry, paulc, I do not recognize a party named '[Microsoft]'
14:59:37 [paulc]: zakim, who is on the call?
14:59:37 [Zakim]: HTML_WG()11:00AM has not yet started, paulc
14:59:39 [Zakim]: On IRC I see RRSAgent, adrianba, ddorwin, paulc, Zakim, Yang, MikeSmith, trackbot
15:00:15 [paulc]: test
15:00:40 [paulc]: zakim, who is on the call?
15:00:40 [Zakim]: HTML_WG()11:00AM has not yet started, paulc
15:00:42 [Zakim]: On IRC I see RRSAgent, adrianba, ddorwin, paulc, Zakim, Yang, MikeSmith, trackbot
15:00:46 [MikeSmith]: Zakim, this will be HTML_WG
15:00:46 [Zakim]: ok, MikeSmith, I see HTML_WG()11:00AM already started
15:00:55 [Zakim]: + +1.760.533.aacc
15:00:57 [MikeSmith]: Zakim, who is on the call?
15:00:57 [Zakim]: On the phone I see ??P1, +1.818.560.aaaa, +1.303.503.aabb, [Microsoft], Cecile_Marc, +1.760.533.aacc
15:01:13 [paulc]: zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc and adrianba
15:01:13 [Zakim]: +paulc, adrianba; got it
15:01:16 [Yang]: ??P1 is me
15:01:31 [MikeSmith]: Yang, you need to say, "Zakim,, ??P1 is me"
15:01:31 [Zakim]: +[GVoice]
15:01:43 [Zakim]: + +1.408.393.aadd
15:01:44 [ddorwin]: zakim, [GVoice] is me
15:01:44 [Yang]: Zakim,??P1 is me
15:01:44 [Zakim]: +ddorwin; got it
15:01:44 [Zakim]: +Yang; got it
15:01:59 [MikeSmith]: Zakim, call Mike
15:01:59 [Zakim]: ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
15:02:00 [Zakim]: +Mike
15:02:05 [Zakim]: + +1.215.286.aaee
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15:02:38 [Zakim]: + +1.858.485.aaff
15:02:46 [Zakim]: +Plh
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15:03:22 [Zakim]: + +1.206.218.aagg
15:03:35 [Zakim]: + +1.408.475.aahh
15:03:57 [Zakim]: +[Microsoft.a]
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15:04:07 [David_Corvoysier]: Zakim, Cecile_Marc is David_Corvoysier
15:04:07 [Zakim]: +David_Corvoysier; got it
15:04:12 [Zakim]: + +1.415.867.aaii
15:04:24 [markw]: zakim, aaii is markw
15:04:24 [Zakim]: +markw; got it
15:04:51 [Zakim]: + +1.613.287.aajj
15:04:54 [acolwell]: zakim, acolwell is aag
15:04:54 [Zakim]: sorry, acolwell, I do not recognize a party named 'acolwell'
15:05:03 [acolwell]: zakim, acolwell is aagg
15:05:03 [Zakim]: sorry, acolwell, I do not recognize a party named 'acolwell'
15:05:12 [Zakim]: + +1.858.677.aakk
15:05:18 [Zakim]: + +1.303.443.aall
15:05:22 [plh]: zakim, aagg is acolwell
15:05:22 [Zakim]: +acolwell; got it
15:05:24 [Zakim]: +Mark_Vickers
15:05:49 [acolwell]: zakim, aag is acolwell
15:05:49 [acolwell]: zakim, aag gis acolwell
15:05:49 [Zakim]: sorry, acolwell, I do not recognize a party named 'aag'
15:05:49 [acolwell]: zakim, aagg is acolwell
15:05:50 [Zakim]: I don't understand 'aag gis acolwell', acolwell
15:05:50 [Zakim]: sorry, acolwell, I do not recognize a party named 'aagg'
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15:06:10 [mc]: Zakim, 1.215.286.aaee is mc = michael chen
15:06:10 [Zakim]: I don't understand '1.215.286.aaee is mc = michael chen', mc
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15:06:44 [MikeSmith]: member:Zakim, 1.215.286.aaee is mc
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15:06:52 [MikeSmith]: Zakim, 1.215.286.aaee is mc
15:06:52 [Zakim]: sorry, MikeSmith, I do not recognize a party named '1.215.286.aaee'
15:06:59 [MikeSmith]: Zakim, +1.215.286.aaee is mc
15:06:59 [Zakim]: +mc; got it
15:07:05 [Zakim]: -Plh
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15:07:13 [adrianba]: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2012Jun/0047.html
15:07:56 [adrianba]: ScribeNick: adrianba
15:08:00 [MikeSmith]: acolwell, I think Zakim maybe already knows you are acolwell
15:08:00 [adrianba]: Scribe: Adrian Bateman
15:08:04 [adrianba]: Chair: Paul Cotton
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15:09:15 [paulc]: plh: I am going to get started - is that okay?
15:09:20 [plh]: yes
15:09:24 [Petr]: yes
15:09:38 [adrianba]: TOPIC: Roll call, introductions and selection of scriben
15:10:01 [adrianba]: paulc: i'm one of the co-chairs of the WG and you should treat me as the faciliator and chair of this meeting
15:10:06 [Zakim]: +Philippe
15:10:15 [adrianba]: ... don't want to spend a lot of time on introductions
15:10:27 [adrianba]: ... we chose this meeting slot through a poll
15:10:49 [adrianba]: ... at the f2f meeting in may there was a suggestion that we alternate topics for this slot
15:11:04 [adrianba]: ... i arbitrarily chose the oldest proposal for this week
15:11:15 [adrianba]: ... i propose media source next week and then alternate
15:11:30 [adrianba]: ... we did this because some people were interested in one proposal and not the other
15:11:37 [R_Berkoff]: Zakim, list attendees
15:11:37 [Zakim]: As of this point the attendees have been +1.818.560.aaaa, +1.303.503.aabb, +1.760.533.aacc, paulc, adrianba, +1.408.393.aadd, ddorwin, Yang, Mike, +1.858.485.aaff, Plh,
15:11:37 [adrianba]: ... any comments?
15:11:40 [Zakim]: ... +1.206.218.aagg, +1.408.475.aahh, [Microsoft], David_Corvoysier, +1.415.867.aaii, markw, +1.613.287.aajj, +1.858.677.aakk, +1.303.443.aall, acolwell, Mark_Vickers, mc, Philippe
15:11:51 [Petr]: alternating is fine
15:12:01 [Petr]: Q+
15:12:42 [paulc]: ack Petr
15:12:49 [R_Berkoff]: Zakim,+1.408.475.aahh is R_Berkoff(Samsung)
15:12:49 [Zakim]: +R_Berkoff(Samsung); got it
15:12:52 [adrianba]: paulc: the agenda will make it clear which topic is which
15:12:59 [MikeSmith]: q?
15:13:00 [adrianba]: petr: as long as the agenda is clear that sounds fine
15:13:13 [R_Berkoff]: Zakim, list attendees
15:13:13 [Zakim]: As of this point the attendees have been +1.818.560.aaaa, +1.303.503.aabb, +1.760.533.aacc, paulc, adrianba, +1.408.393.aadd, ddorwin, Yang, Mike, +1.858.485.aaff, Plh,
15:13:16 [Zakim]: ... +1.206.218.aagg, [Microsoft], David_Corvoysier, +1.415.867.aaii, markw, +1.613.287.aajj, +1.858.677.aakk, +1.303.443.aall, acolwell, Mark_Vickers, mc, Philippe,
15:13:16 [Zakim]: ... R_Berkoff(Samsung)
15:13:19 [adrianba]: paulc: if we need to give one document more attention than the other we can consider that
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15:13:32 [adrianba]: ... if anyone thinks we're not making enough progress please contact me or the w3c team
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15:13:39 [adrianba]: TOPIC: Administrative itemsn
15:14:03 [adrianba]: paulc: because this is a sub-team of the HTML WG, when we set-up the tracker to track actions it can't map to the whole WG
15:14:04 [Zakim]: -ddorwin
15:14:18 [adrianba]: ... so people who need to be in the tracker need to let MikeSmith know they need to be added
15:14:26 [adrianba]: ... i sent a mail about this today
15:14:33 [Zakim]: +[GVoice]
15:14:40 [paulc]: See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2012Jun/0062.html
15:14:46 [adrianba]: ... Mike responded with information about who was already subscribed including the editors
15:14:57 [mark_vickers]: Q+
15:15:03 [adrianba]: ... anyone else who plans to be active and wants to accept action items should let Mike know
15:15:04 [paulc]: ack mark
15:15:19 [acolwell]: q+
15:15:23 [adrianba]: mark_vickers: perhaps you could describe the action items? editing or non-editing items?
15:15:33 [adrianba]: paulc: not expecting to take actions about specific edits
15:15:48 [adrianba]: ... i expect actions about starting a discussion or updating bugzilla for example
15:15:57 [adrianba]: ... i want to keep editing lightweight
15:16:22 [adrianba]: ... if editors want to self-determine some way of dividing work we can have another tracker if needed
15:16:25 [adrianba]: q?
15:16:31 [paulc]: ack ac
15:16:37 [Zakim]: -[GVoice]
15:16:44 [adrianba]: acolwell: what is the difference between tracker and bugzilla?
15:16:44 [Zakim]: +[GVoice]
15:16:54 [adrianba]: paulc: there's also the email list
15:16:58 [ddorwin]: zakim, [GVoice] is me
15:16:58 [Zakim]: +ddorwin; got it
15:17:15 [adrianba]: ... when people want to identify a problem they have two choices: open an email dialogue on the public list and ask "is the following a problem"
15:17:26 [adrianba]: ... you might not be convinced you understand the spec and that it's wrong
15:17:52 [adrianba]: ... once you're convinced there is a bug, use bugzilla to file a bug against the bug - each spec has a separate bugzilla component
15:18:09 [adrianba]: ... the connection between bugzilla and the mail list is the same as the HTML5 spec
15:18:22 [adrianba]: ... bugzilla sends email only for new bugs (not for subsequent updates)
15:18:47 [adrianba]: ... we did that because specs that have a large number of bugs with lots of updates would flood the mailing list with updates
15:19:15 [adrianba]: ... once someone has created the bugzilla entry - you can have a dialogue in the bug or on the mail list - there isn't a fixed rule about the most appropriate place
15:19:30 [adrianba]: ... when you proposed detailed text or discussion about A or B then i think that's better in the mailing list
15:19:40 [adrianba]: ... some people like bugzilla and others like the mailing list
15:20:07 [adrianba]: ... when you see a new bug, you can click on the link and add yourself to the CC list so that you get all the mails with updates
15:20:35 [adrianba]: ... one of the reasons we chose this approach is that if you see a new bug (and there was one this morning - here's an example)
15:20:35 [paulc]: new bug: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2012Jun/0061.html
15:21:29 [adrianba]: yang: if someone comments in the bug will the reporter receive an email?
15:21:33 [adrianba]: paulc: yes
15:21:39 [MikeSmith]: Yang, if you type "q+" when you want to want to ask a question, the chair will see that and respond
15:21:41 [paulc]: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17470
15:22:10 [Yang]: got it,mike,sorry for disturb...
15:22:19 [adrianba]: ... when you create a bugzilla bug you automatically get added to the CC line
15:22:33 [adrianba]: paulc: third item is tracker
15:22:51 [adrianba]: ... we use this to track issues and action items
15:23:16 [adrianba]: ... tracker will look in the email archive for when the issue or action is mentioned
15:23:17 [Yang]: q+
15:23:27 [adrianba]: ... i'm not anticipating that we'll need many issues early on
15:23:49 [adrianba]: ... i propose that we use the mailing list and bugzilla to drive the meetings and ask the editors to update the specs to reflect consensus
15:23:59 [adrianba]: ... i believe in giving the editors leeway to express that consensus
15:24:08 [adrianba]: ... and then we can see if we need to open new bugs
15:24:13 [adrianba]: ... or if we need some form of escalation
15:24:19 [adrianba]: ... for now i'm not too worried about that
15:24:35 [paulc]: ack Yang
15:24:35 [adrianba]: ... i want us to work with a sense of consensus
15:24:45 [adrianba]: yang: can you give me a URL to the tracker?
15:25:03 [MikeSmith]: Yang, paulc : https://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/
15:25:47 [MikeSmith]: s/Yang, paulc :/ Yang, paulc, /
15:25:58 [adrianba]: q?
15:26:00 [MikeSmith]: RRSAgent, make minutes
15:26:00 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/12-html-media-minutes.html MikeSmith
15:26:18 [Zakim]: - +1.303.503.aabb
15:26:29 [adrianba]: acolwell: the tracker is mostly around the issues and actions related to the call and bugs/mailing list for the specific detail?
15:26:42 [Zakim]: +??P9
15:26:43 [Zakim]: -Mark_Vickers
15:26:44 [adrianba]: paulc: i'm a firm believer in using actions to drive results when people take actions
15:26:57 [adrianba]: TOPIC: Baseline documents and Bugzilla information
15:27:24 [adrianba]: paulc: in the agenda i identified the starting editor's drafts and outstanding bugs
15:27:24 [Suzie]: q+
15:27:47 [adrianba]: ... i wanted to get to agenda #4 and david created a list of important bugs to consider
15:27:58 [Yang]: q+
15:28:02 [paulc]: ack susie
15:28:11 [adrianba]: suzie: wondering if i can create a new bug through the mailing list?
15:28:41 [adrianba]: paulc: there is no way to do this from the mailing list - if you can't use Bugzilla for some reason then one of the editors or me or the team will help
15:29:10 [adrianba]: suzie: my previous understanding is that whenever i want to bring up a new topic i need to start from the email and it would be captured in bugzilla?
15:29:42 [adrianba]: paulc: you could discuss first on the mailing list but that's not mandatory - you could just use bugzilla and create a bug right away (which will generate a message to the list)
15:29:53 [adrianba]: ... people could respond on the list but will probably respond in the bug
15:29:55 [adrianba]: q?
15:30:01 [paulc]: ack suzie
15:30:05 [paulc]: ack yang
15:30:14 [adrianba]: yang: who decided which bugs will be on the agenda?
15:30:20 [adrianba]: s/decided/decides/
15:30:42 [adrianba]: paulc: i made the decision in cooperation with the editors for this call
15:31:08 [adrianba]: ... you could do that either by replying to the agenda but you could also send mail to me privately asking about priority
15:31:27 [adrianba]: ... i will encourage you to do that on the public list but if you feel uncomforable with that please reach out to me
15:31:45 [adrianba]: TOPIC: Candidate Encrypted Media Extensions bugs for discussionn
15:32:24 [adrianba]: paulc: i think you identified the most important bugs including one that has lots of dependencies
15:32:31 [ddorwin]: bug 16613
15:32:31 [adrianba]: ddorwin: correct
15:32:37 [adrianba]: bug 16613?
15:32:40 [paulc]: Bug 16613: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2012Jun/0054.html
15:32:42 [ddorwin]: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=16613
15:33:00 [Zakim]: + +44.303.040.aamm
15:33:19 [adrianba]: paulc: i think david and the editors would like feedback on this bug
15:33:44 [adrianba]: ddorwin: the general idea (media source also investigating this) - we have a bunch of methods and events on the media element
15:34:04 [adrianba]: ... it's suggested that we could hang them on a new object - or represent them as new session
15:34:09 [ddorwin]: example: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/raw-file/tip/encrypted-media/encrypted-media.html#issue-oo-api-design
15:34:16 [adrianba]: ... there is an example in the proposal of what this might look like
15:34:24 [adrianba]: ... we're looking to get some feedback on this
15:34:37 [adrianba]: ... i've listed some advantages and disadvantages
15:34:45 [adrianba]: ... are there general questions or comments?
15:34:54 [Yang]: q+
15:35:38 [adrianba]: ddorwin: i was unclear of what glenn was suggesting - session id seems to handle this
15:35:50 [adrianba]: ... we're open to other options - this is the one we came up with
15:35:50 [paulc]: ack Yang
15:37:21 [markw]: q+
15:37:34 [adrianba]: yang: i reviewed the example interface description for the mediakeymessageevent
15:37:39 [Yang]: why we specify uint8array for message type
15:37:49 [adrianba]: ... there is Uint8Array key
15:38:00 [adrianba]: ... why did we specifiy that type for the message
15:38:31 [adrianba]: ddorwin: the example is using the same approach as the rest of the proposal - we should discuss this separately but briefly this is a binary message
15:38:47 [adrianba]: ... this is relatively new but is used in some other specs
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15:39:19 [Yang]: eventinit
15:39:45 [adrianba]: yang: why do we have the mediakeyeventinit for every event?
15:40:12 [adrianba]: ddorwin: this is also orthogonal
15:41:04 [mc]: q+
15:41:04 [adrianba]: adrianba: if you look at the dom4 spec in webapps, you see events being described in this new way
15:41:23 [paulc]: ack markw
15:41:23 [adrianba]: paulc: yang, i suggest you send these general questions to the list
15:41:35 [adrianba]: markw: an opinion on making this more object oriented
15:41:35 [ddorwin]: correcting myself, I think the EventInit was based on the <track> spec, not Media Source
15:41:47 [adrianba]: ... although this would make some of the simpler examples more complex
15:41:57 [adrianba]: ... it would make the overall situation more understandable
15:42:11 [adrianba]: ... and i think this is better if the code is easier even if they have to write a bit more
15:42:27 [adrianba]: ... so i think they key issue is whether this is significantly harder for implementations
15:42:55 [adrianba]: ... if people prototyping say it is okay for implementations then we should consider it
15:42:57 [acolwell]: q+
15:42:59 [adrianba]: q?
15:43:27 [paulc]: What is your opinion on the example here: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/raw-file/tip/encrypted-media/encrypted-media.html#issue-oo-api-design
15:43:33 [adrianba]: paulc: i want to make sure people realise the example david provided earlier could be the start of a good discussion
15:44:09 [paulc]: ack mc
15:44:10 [adrianba]: ... people could respond to this question on the list, either saying they prefer the current definition or moving to the new example
15:44:48 [adrianba]: mc: if we move to the session object if we have async events that fire on the object how do you relate this back to the original element to which it pertains
15:45:14 [Zakim]: - +1.303.443.aall
15:45:24 [adrianba]: ddorwin: i guess the event would need to have a property for the element
15:45:28 [adrianba]: ... that's good feedback
15:45:36 [adrianba]: ... could you make this comment on this list?
15:45:37 [paulc]: ack ac
15:46:02 [ddorwin]: q+
15:46:10 [adrianba]: acolwell: i have a process question - media source has a similar bug - should we add the proposal to the spec or add it into the bug
15:46:45 [adrianba]: adrianba: my proposal is to make suggestions in the bug and when there is consensus update the spec
15:47:15 [adrianba]: acolwell: there is a similar bug for media-source that is asking the same question
15:47:28 [adrianba]: ... we need to decide that before addressing other bugs because it directly effects them all
15:47:48 [ddorwin]: Answering acolwell's question, the proposal is only in the draft proposal because we listed known open issues when we published it. I would not do this moving forward.
15:47:52 [adrianba]: paulc: i expect what happens after this meeting is that we have active participation by people on this call and on the list
15:48:11 [adrianba]: ... i suggest we pick another topic and use that to seed some more discussion
15:48:22 [ddorwin]: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=16738
15:48:23 [adrianba]: ddorwin: let's go to heartbeat
15:48:27 [paulc]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2012Jun/0058.html
15:48:57 [adrianba]: ddorwin: the general goal of the proposal that it supports multiple drms and one requirement is heartbeat
15:49:11 [Yang]: q+
15:49:28 [adrianba]: ... there are a couple of ways to deal with this described in the mail
15:49:31 [ddorwin]: q-
15:49:49 [adrianba]: paulc: so far people are choosing option #1 - could you say why someone might prefer option #2
15:50:17 [adrianba]: ddorwin: basically from a consistency point of view - a heartbeat response is similar to a license and so the pattern would be the same as the other parts
15:50:39 [adrianba]: ... but there is a significant overhead especially if we go with the object oriented approach
15:51:00 [adrianba]: ... so the key question is does anyone object to option #1
15:51:03 [paulc]: ack Yang
15:51:08 [adrianba]: yang: i support option #1
15:51:53 [adrianba]: ... when the UA sends a key message to the server and the server responds you can use this for keepalive
15:52:26 [paulc]: second comment: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=16738#c2
15:52:28 [adrianba]: ... why would addKey be called - wouldn't this be the server doing the work
15:52:52 [markw]: yes, who provides the ack ?
15:53:22 [Yang]: who provide ack, ua or server?
15:53:33 [markw]: the server provides the ack and the script receives this and provides it to the UA using the addKey() method
15:53:58 [adrianba]: ddorwin: the server replies to the application with the ack which then calls addKey() to pass this to the UA
15:54:02 [Yang]: got it
15:54:09 [adrianba]: ... i will respond to the questions in the bug - it was updated overnight
15:54:31 [Yang]: I prefer option1
15:54:42 [adrianba]: paulc: we're hearing support for option #1 - the operative question is whether anyone strongly supports option #2 and couldn't live with option #1
15:55:11 [adrianba]: ... we should deal with this in email - i'll let the discussion go on and then before the next meeting ask if anyone objects to option #1
15:55:14 [MikeSmith]: RRSAgent, make minutes
15:55:14 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/12-html-media-minutes.html MikeSmith
15:55:17 [ddorwin]: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17199
15:55:32 [ddorwin]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2012Jun/0059.html
15:55:41 [adrianba]: ddorwin: not lightweight - i'd like people to discuss this but we won't have time today - it's key release
15:56:00 [adrianba]: ... somewhat orthogonal to the rest of the spec because it's not attached to the media element
15:56:11 [adrianba]: ... would be good to have feedback from content providers
15:56:16 [adrianba]: ... i know markw has some thoughts
15:56:24 [adrianba]: ... would be good to get some feedback on this topic
15:57:01 [adrianba]: paulc: this is good for a first meeting - please reach out to me privately if you have any difficulty working out how to enage in this group
15:57:09 [adrianba]: ... i want to encourage discussion on the mailing list
15:57:22 [adrianba]: ... second item we discussed is a candidate for closing down quickly
15:57:37 [adrianba]: ... i think we want to focus the next meeting on the object oriented question
15:58:10 [adrianba]: ... i proposed at the beginning of the meeting that next week we discuss media sources - we'll do the same as for this week but there's no reason we can't get this going sooner on the list
15:58:22 [adrianba]: ... people are free to pick any of the bugs and start a mailing list thread
15:58:27 [adrianba]: ... i plan to chair again next week
15:58:37 [adrianba]: ... does anyone want to volunteer to scribe next week?
15:58:48 [adrianba]: ... don't hear anyone - we'll find someone
15:58:56 [adrianba]: ... any closing comments from anyone?
15:59:22 [Zakim]: - +1.760.533.aacc
15:59:23 [Zakim]: - +1.613.287.aajj
15:59:23 [adrianba]: ... i suggest you send minutes to html announce and html-media
15:59:25 [Zakim]: -Philippe
15:59:27 [Zakim]: -Mike
15:59:27 [Zakim]: -markw
15:59:29 [Zakim]: - +1.858.485.aaff
15:59:30 [adrianba]: ... we are adjourned
15:59:31 [Zakim]: - +44.303.040.aamm
15:59:32 [Zakim]: -acolwell
15:59:34 [Zakim]: - +1.818.560.aaaa
15:59:36 [Zakim]: -David_Corvoysier
15:59:39 [Zakim]: -??P9
15:59:40 [Zakim]: -mc
15:59:42 [Zakim]: -[Microsoft]
15:59:45 [Zakim]: -R_Berkoff(Samsung)
15:59:47 [Zakim]: -ddorwin
15:59:50 [Zakim]: -Yang
15:59:51 [adrianba]: zakim, bye
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15:59:56 [Zakim]: leaving. As of this point the attendees were +1.818.560.aaaa, +1.303.503.aabb, +1.760.533.aacc, paulc, adrianba, +1.408.393.aadd, ddorwin, Yang, Mike, +1.858.485.aaff, Plh,
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16:00:06 [Zakim]: ... R_Berkoff(Samsung), +44.303.040.aamm
16:00:09 [adrianba]: rrsagent, make minutes
16:00:09 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/12-html-media-minutes.html adrianba
16:00:17 [adrianba]: rrsagent, make logs public
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