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15:33:55 <Joshue> zakim, this will be 9224
15:33:55 <Zakim> ok, Joshue; I see WAI_HTML TT()11:30AM scheduled to start 3 minutes ago
15:34:08 <Joshue> rrsagent, make log world
15:35:27 <Joshue> Meeting: HTML Techniques Task Force
15:36:09 <Joshue> agenda +
15:36:14 <Joshue> agenda +  HTML Techniques Task Force for Jun 11 2012
15:36:25 <Joshue> agenda + HTML Techniques Task Force for May 7th 2012
15:36:37 <Joshue> agenda + HTML Techniques Task Force for April 30th 2012
15:36:46 <Joshue> agenda + HTML Techniques Task Force for April 23rd 2012
15:37:08 <Joshue> agenda + Dividing up the remaining ARIA techniques http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Techniques/ARIA
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16:00:08 <Joshue> np
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16:02:24 <jamesn> zakim, who is on the call?
16:02:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see James_Nurthen
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16:03:50 <jamesn> 9224 right?
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16:04:49 <Joshue> zakim, ??P4 is Joshue
16:04:49 <Zakim> +Joshue; got it
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16:05:05 <jamesn> zakim, who is on the call?
16:05:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see James_Nurthen, Marc_Johlic, ??P14, Joshue, +49.404.318.aaaa
16:05:17 <Joshue> Chair: Joshue
16:05:24 <Detlev> Zakim aaa is Detlev
16:05:27 <adam> i am getting on in a sec
16:05:40 <Detlev> Zakim, aaaa is Detlev
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16:06:48 <Joshue> zakim, ??P14 is Loretta
16:06:48 <Zakim> +Loretta; got it
16:07:02 <jamesn> zakim, who is on the call?
16:07:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see James_Nurthen, Marc_Johlic, Loretta, Joshue, Detlev
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16:07:27 <adam> zakim, ??P0 is adam_solomon
16:07:27 <Zakim> +adam_solomon; got it
16:08:50 <marcjohlic> scribe:  marcjohlic
16:11:54 <marcjohlic> TOPIC:  ARIA technique: flowto 
16:12:14 <marcjohlic> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_aria-flowto
16:13:37 <jamesn> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/htmltechs11jun/results
16:14:48 <marcjohlic> LGR:  Wrote up technique in ambiguous way - wasn't sure how tab order would be affected
16:15:09 <marcjohlic> JN:  If you're not running an AT, then flowto will be ignored - tab order will be the same
16:17:45 <jamesn> zakim, who is noisy?
16:17:57 <Zakim> jamesn, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Loretta (9%), Detlev (10%)
16:18:04 <marcjohlic> LGR:  Impression was that if using screenreader and you came to a flowto that could change the reading order
16:19:52 <marcjohlic> LGR:  Sounds like this technique won't apply to focus order, but need to add something to the Test Procedures to ensure that focus order makes sense
16:20:24 <marcjohlic> LGR:  Doesn't appear that there is widespread AT support for flowto
16:20:37 <marcjohlic> agreement by JN and JOC
16:21:24 <marcjohlic> JOC:  Suggest adding a "non-HTML5" example
16:21:46 <marcjohlic> JN:  Agree - these sections could easily be changed to divs or p
16:22:40 <marcjohlic> LGR:  Quick scan showed that only support currently is in JAWS 12 - and even that is buggy.  Technique will be Advisory due to limited support.
16:23:15 <marcjohlic> RESOLUTION:  Leaving technique open for further comments and for LGR to revise and resubmit
16:26:01 <marcjohlic> JOC:  Have updated the HTML5 techniques for nav, section, and aside - will send out new surveys for them.
16:27:49 <marcjohlic> JOC:  Do we want to start including deadlines on these surveys?
16:28:24 <marcjohlic> JN:  Yes, otherwise we end up with too many open surveys - 
16:28:26 <marcjohlic> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/myQuestionnaires
16:28:28 <jamesn> www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/myQuestionnaires
16:29:23 <marcjohlic> JN:  The myQuestionaires link gives you a view of open surveys waiting for your response.  One caution is that you may run into surveys that have not been finalized yet.
16:29:44 <marcjohlic> JOC:  Been defaulting surveys to 2 months - should we change that?
16:30:24 <marcjohlic> JN:  Should close the day of the meeting, and if we need to extend it we can.   If we schedule it to close on Monday it is midnight at the end of that day.
16:30:48 <jamesn> (sorry) 1-0
16:32:23 <marcjohlic> LGR:  Considering tackling 4.1.2 next
16:32:44 <marcjohlic> JN:  First step may be determining what techniques are needed for 4.1.2
16:33:19 <marcjohlic> LGR:  Will be an iterative process
16:35:49 <marcjohlic> LGR:  Expect that 4.1.2 will have less scripting than 1.3.1 - looking for anyone that would like to contribute that is not already working on other techniques
16:36:44 <marcjohlic> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Techniques/ARIA
16:44:12 <marcjohlic> Detlev will take over 3.3.2 Labels or Instructions 
16:45:54 <marcjohlic> JN:  Not sure there is an ARIA technique for everything.  Techniques listed with no ARIA technique referenced probably do not have an ARIA technique (but can be looked at)
16:46:52 <marcjohlic> LGR:  Not necessary that you use every criteria to meet a Success Criteria
16:47:55 <marcjohlic> JN:  With a couple exceptions ARIA is meant primarily for use with AT
16:51:14 <Loretta> JN: In ARIA developer guides like OpenAjax, note which WCAG success criteria are being addressed by an example,
16:51:27 <Loretta> JN: We shouldn't own those documents.
16:51:37 <Loretta> LGR: But we coud reference them from our documents.
16:51:50 <Zakim> -adam_solomon
16:55:50 <marcjohlic> MJ:  Will talk to Jon G on OAA working group about mapping ARIA examples / techniques back to WCAG success criteria so that they can easily be referenced
16:56:55 <marcjohlic> JOC:  Perhaps we should add a note / flag to techniques that we don't believe there is an ARIA technique
16:57:09 <marcjohlic> JN:  Maybe add a bullet stating "no ARIA technique"
16:57:47 <marcjohlic> LGR:  Adding information about what's completed (whether because techniques are written or not required) will be helpful
16:57:54 <jamesn> ACTION: james to take a pass through http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Techniques/ARIA to note where no techniques are specified
16:59:44 <jamesn> rrsagent, make minutes
16:59:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/11-html-techs-tf-minutes.html jamesn
17:00:07 <Zakim> -Joshue
17:00:09 <Zakim> -Detlev
17:00:09 <Zakim> -James_Nurthen
17:00:10 <Zakim> -Marc_Johlic
17:00:12 <Zakim> -Loretta
17:00:13 <Zakim> WAI_HTML TT()11:30AM has ended
17:00:13 <Zakim> Attendees were James_Nurthen, Marc_Johlic, Joshue, +49.404.318.aaaa, Detlev, Loretta, adam_solomon
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