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<scribe> Scribe: Janina_Sajka
<scribe> agenda: this
Ted, PS: Thanks for bringing Issue-204 back to substance
I think the other way around? Only on html-wg?
Well, I seem to have made Sam really sensitive over WG territory, or something. I was also only trying to get back to the essence.
<silvia> yeah, Janina announced the meeting yesterday
jf: I've read your emails,
Silvia
... I did get distracted during the day, though
... Concerned about what authors are actually doing--where our
discouragement won't help
... Problem is that there's emergent legislation ...
js: Actually, not emergent legislation--the laws oare on the books. It's regulatory--new regs for video description and captioning, plus refreshes of Sec. 508 regs
Silvia: I've come around, john,
to your earlier approach from months ago -- with some
additions
... removed transcript element because we want to hold that one
for the day we can introduce interactive transcript
... If I can get browsers to agree on it?
[janina and jf agree]
jf: We need to support rich text transcript.
silvia: Yes, it's behind a uri, so can be a full html page, etc., etc
jf: a DAISY, a PDF, etc.
silvia: yes
jf: Is there a way to target where the transcript will be rendered?
silvia: yes
<JF> @transcript="transcript.html; target=foo"
silviA: why? don't need to do that? web dev knows what to do. Don't think it's necessary
jf: So, if there's a way to access the transcript, how does one target where it's rendered
js: How does the user get to identify where they want it rendered
silvia: user doesn't get to control web page layout
<silvia> @transcript="http://example.com/transcript.html#transcript"
<silvia> @transcript="http://example.com/transcript.html#transcript"
<JF> 1)
<JF> <video transcript="transcript.html"></video>
<JF> - launches transcript.html in main browser window (default)
<JF> - can we also make it so that instead of replacing video.html with transcript.html that the user is prompted to save the file?
<JF> 2)
<JF> <video transcript="transcript.html></video>
<JF> <div id="transcript_region"></div>
<JF> - how do we target the transcript to "show" inside this div? Do we even want that?
<silvia> <video transcript="http://[this_page_url]#transcript"></video>
[we're looking at scenarios where users ask for rendering somewhere specific on page ...]
<silvia> <div id="transcript"><a href="transcript.html">Transcript</a></div>
<silvia> … or
<silvia> <video transcript="http://[this_page_url]/transcript.html"></video>
<silvia> <div id="transcript"><a href="transcript.html">Transcript</a></div>
<silvia> s/<video transcript="http://[this_page_url]/transcript.html"></video>/<video transcript="http://[this_domain]/transcript.html"></video>/
<JF> <video transcript="transcript.html></video>
<JF> <div id="transcript_region" role="transcript"></div>
<JF> <video transcript="transcript.html></video>
<JF> <div id="transcript_region" aria-labelledby="transcript"></div>
<JF> <div id="transcript_region" aria-label="transcript"><a href="page.html" role="transcript">transcript</a></div>
<JF> <div id="transcript_region" aria-label="transcript region">
<silvia> ...
<silvia> <video transcript="http://[this_age]#transcript"></video>
<silvia> <div id="transcript" role="transcript">This is the actualtranscript.</div>
janina: Suggest we ask ARIA to
consider this in ARIA 1.1 in order to wholistically consider
all the aspects of video a11y support together
... If it's going to be an ARIA role, the soonest we could have
it would be aria 1.1 anyway.
... I'm less clear on making it an html role
jf: Think it's OK, but a stop-gap until we have transcript element for interactive----whatever the interactive mechanism/element can be picked up directly by AT
<silvia> <video transcript="http://[this_page_url]/transcript.html"></video>
<silvia> <iframe id="transcript">Transcript</iframe>
<silvia> s/<iframe id="transcript">Transcript</iframe>/<iframe id="transcript" src="transcript.html">Transcript</iframe>/
[the three of us are in agreement on this approach. Silvia will take it forward]
silvia: I'll create an example page and a new CP
silvia: have observed with voice over and with cromevox that video never gets focus
janina: implementation issue, i think AT is waiting for spec to settle down
jf: scripted or native controls?
silvia: native
janina: good
<JF> ,video src="file.mp4" autostart></video>
<silvia> <video src="video.mpg"></video>
<JF> <video src="video.mpg" control></video>
<JF> <video src="video.mpg" onclick=(play)></video>
janina: this is all
implementation.
... for now it's browser dependent
... hopefully we'll soon have IndieUI Events 1.0 to help
<JF> <video src="video.mpg" onfocus=(do something)></video>
<JF> <video src="video.mpg" onfocus=(allow to do something)></video>
[we're discussing whether the video element needs to be defined in spec as an interactive element]
[we believe it does]
[Also an HTML landmark?]
jf: Could put a video inside canvas, so also need an ARIA landmark
[Agreement to ask for three ARIA landmarks: Video, Audio, and Transcript]
jf: Also suggest whether we want native HTML landmarks
janina: Concerned these may be quashed as new features
<scribe> ACTION: Janina to dig up spec sections on interactive elements, landmarks, etc [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/06/08-media-minutes.html#action01]
<silvia> http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/editing.html#focusable
jf: Ah, they're called "sections" -- Sec 4.4
<JF> http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/the-section-element.html#the-section-element
silvia: I'd like to see audio and video focusable for kybd nav when they're visible on page
janina: ++1
jf: Directing to section on page
called "Beld & Suspenders"
... Screen 14 in that presentation
<JF> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_role_table
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