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22:26:20 <janina> zakim, room for 10?
22:26:21 <Zakim> ok, janina; conference Team_(media)22:26Z scheduled with code 2119 (A11Y) for 60 minutes until 2326Z
22:27:03 <Zakim> Team_(media)22:26Z has now started
22:27:10 <Zakim> +??P0
22:27:19 <janina> zakim, ??P0 is Janina_Sajka
22:27:19 <Zakim> +Janina_Sajka; got it
22:28:24 <janina> zakim, agenda?
22:28:24 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
22:28:30 <janina> Meeting: HTML-A11Y teleconference
22:28:30 <janina> Chair:  John_Foliot
22:28:30 <janina> Scribe: Janina_Sajka
22:28:30 <janina> agenda: this
22:28:30 <janina> agenda+ Issue-194 Approaches
22:28:33 <janina> agenda+ Other Business?
22:28:35 <janina> agenda+ be done
22:29:06 <janina>  zakim, take up item 1
22:29:06 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Issue-194 Approaches" taken up [from janina]
22:29:26 <janina> rrsagent, this meeting spans midnight
22:29:38 <janina> rrsagent, make log public
22:29:45 <janina> rrsagent, make minutes
22:29:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/08-media-minutes.html janina
22:31:29 <Zakim> +JF
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22:34:20 <silvia> zakim, code?
22:34:20 <Zakim> the conference code is 2119 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), silvia
22:35:13 <silvia> zakim, who is here>?
22:35:13 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, silvia.
22:35:18 <silvia> zakim, who is here?
22:35:18 <Zakim> On the phone I see Janina_Sajka, JF
22:35:20 <Zakim> On IRC I see silvia, JF, RRSAgent, Zakim, janina, hober
22:35:42 <Zakim> +silvia
22:44:51 <janina> Ted, PS: Thanks for bringing Issue-204 back to substance
22:45:35 <janina> I think the other way around? Only on html-wg?
22:46:42 <janina> Well, I seem to have made Sam really sensitive over WG territory, or something. I was also only trying to get back to the essence.
22:49:07 <silvia> yeah, Janina announced the meeting yesterday
22:53:09 <janina> jf: I've read your emails, Silvia
22:53:22 <janina> jf: I did get distracted during the day, though
22:54:30 <janina> jf: Concerned about what authors are actually doing--where our discouragement won't help
22:55:26 <janina> jf: Problem is that there's emergent legislation ...
22:56:07 <janina> js: Actually, not emergent legislation--the laws oare on the books. It's regulatory--new regs for video description and captioning, plus refreshes of Sec. 508 regs
22:56:52 <janina> Silvia: I've come around, john, to your earlier approach from months ago -- with some additions
22:57:32 <janina> silvia: removed transcript element because we want to hold that one for the day we can introduce interactive transcript
22:59:08 <janina> silvia: If I can get browsers to agree on it?
22:59:15 <janina> [janina and jf agree]
22:59:32 <janina> jf: We need to support rich text transcript.
22:59:49 <janina> silvia: Yes, it's behind a uri, so can be a full html page, etc., etc
23:00:04 <janina> jf: a DAISY, a PDF, etc.
23:00:05 <janina> silvia: yes
23:01:31 <janina> jf: Is there a way to target where the transcript will be rendered?
23:01:33 <janina> silvia: yes
23:01:52 <JF> @transcript="transcript.html; target=foo"
23:03:37 <janina> silviA: why? don't need to do that? web dev knows what to do. Don't think it's necessary
23:04:12 <janina> jf: So, if there's a way to access the transcript, how does one target where it's rendered
23:05:11 <janina> js: How does the user get to identify where they want it rendered
23:05:19 <janina> silvia: user doesn't get to control web page layout
23:05:42 <silvia> @transcript="http://example.com/transcript.html#transcript"
23:06:02 <silvia> @transcript="http://example.com/transcript.html#transcript"
23:10:35 <JF> 1)
23:10:36 <JF> <video transcript="transcript.html"></video>
23:10:38 <JF> - launches transcript.html in main browser window (default)
23:10:40 <JF> - can we also make it so that instead of replacing video.html with transcript.html that the user is prompted to save the file?
23:10:42 <JF> 2)
23:10:43 <JF> <video transcript="transcript.html></video>
23:10:45 <JF> <div id="transcript_region"></div>
23:10:47 <JF> - how do we target the transcript to "show" inside this div? Do we even want that?
23:14:29 <silvia> <video transcript="http://[this_page_url]#transcript"></video>
23:14:30 <janina> [we're looking at scenarios where users ask for rendering somewhere specific on page ...]
23:14:58 <silvia> <div id="transcript"><a href="transcript.html">Transcript</a></div>
23:15:09 <silvia> … or
23:15:18 <silvia> <video transcript="http://[this_page_url]/transcript.html"></video>
23:15:22 <silvia> <div id="transcript"><a href="transcript.html">Transcript</a></div>
23:15:50 <silvia> s/<video transcript="http://[this_page_url]/transcript.html"></video>/<video transcript="http://[this_domain]/transcript.html"></video>/
23:19:16 <JF> <video transcript="transcript.html></video>
23:19:17 <JF> <div id="transcript_region" role="transcript"></div>
23:19:59 <JF> <video transcript="transcript.html></video>
23:20:01 <JF> <div id="transcript_region" aria-labelledby="transcript"></div>
23:21:55 <JF> <div id="transcript_region" aria-labelledby="transcript"><a href="page.html" role="transcript">transcript</a></div>
23:22:58 <JF> <div id="transcript_region" aria-labelledby="transcript region">
23:26:00 <silvia> ...
23:26:00 <silvia> <video transcript="http://[this_age]#transcript"></video>
23:26:01 <silvia> <div id="transcript" role="transcript">This is the actualtranscript.</div>
23:26:47 <janina> janina: Suggest we ask ARIA to consider this in ARIA 1.1 in order to wholistically consider all the aspects of video a11y support together
23:27:23 <janina> janina: If it's going to be an ARIA role, the soonest we could have it would be aria 1.1 anyway.
23:27:35 <janina> janina: I'm less clear on making it an html role
23:29:09 <janina> jf: Think it's OK, but a stop-gap until we have transcript element for interactive----whatever the interactive mechanism/element can be picked up directly by AT
23:32:00 <JF> s/<div id="transcript_region" aria-labelledby="transcript region">/<div id="transcript_region" aria-label="transcript region">
23:32:37 <JF> s/<div id="transcript_region" aria-labelledby="transcript">/<div id="transcript_region" aria-label="transcript">
23:37:03 <silvia> <video transcript="http://[this_page_url]/transcript.html"></video>
23:37:04 <silvia> <iframe id="transcript">Transcript</iframe>
23:37:53 <silvia> s/<iframe id="transcript">Transcript</iframe>/<iframe id="transcript" src="transcript.html">Transcript</iframe>/
23:41:43 <janina> [the three of us are in agreement on this approach. Silvia will take it forward]
23:48:23 <janina> silvia: I'll create an example page and a new CP
23:48:56 <janina> topic: focus control on video
23:50:18 <janina> silvia: have observed with voice over and with cromevox that video never gets focus
23:52:13 <janina> janina: implementation issue, i think AT is waiting for spec to settle down
23:52:23 <janina> jf: scripted or native controls?
23:52:25 <janina> silvia: native
23:52:27 <janina> janina: good
23:55:24 <JF> ,video src="file.mp4" autostart></video>
23:55:28 <silvia> <video src="video.mpg"></video>
23:56:20 <JF> <video src="video.mpg" control></video>
23:58:23 <JF> <video src="video.mpg" onclick=(play)></video>
00:02:20 <janina> janina: this is all implementation.
00:02:27 <janina> janina: for now it's browser dependent
00:02:50 <janina> janina: hopefully we'll soon have IndieUI Events 1.0 to help
00:05:41 <JF> <video src="video.mpg" onfocus=(do something)></video>
00:05:59 <JF> <video src="video.mpg" onfocus=(allow to do something)></video>
00:11:12 <janina> [we're discussing whether the video element needs to be defined in spec as an interactive element]
00:11:23 <janina> [we believe it does]
00:13:08 <janina> [Also an HTML landmark?]
00:13:30 <janina> jf: Could put a video inside canvas, so also need an ARIA landmark
00:15:14 <janina> [Agreement to ask for three ARIA landmarks: Video, Audio, and Transcript]
00:16:45 <janina> jf: Also suggest whether we want native HTML landmarks
00:17:04 <janina> janina: Concerned these may be quashed as new features
00:18:47 <janina> action: Janina to dig up spec sections on interactive elements, landmarks, etc
00:20:18 <silvia> http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/editing.html#focusable
00:20:20 <janina> jf: Ah, they're called "sections" -- Sec 4.4
00:20:52 <JF> http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/the-section-element.html#the-section-element
00:21:16 <janina> silvia: I'd like to see audio and video focusable for kybd nav when they're visible on page
00:21:20 <janina> janina: ++1
00:22:53 <janina> jf: Directing to section on page called "Beld & Suspenders"
00:23:10 <janina> jf: Screen 14 in that presentation
00:24:21 <JF> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_role_table
00:26:48 <janina> zakim, bye
00:26:48 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Janina_Sajka, JF, silvia
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00:26:55 <janina> rrsagent, make minutes
00:26:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/08-media-minutes.html janina
00:28:42 <JF> ACTION: JF to write to ARIA 1.1 TF re landmark roles of <audio><video> and <transcript>
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