IRC log of html-wg on 2012-06-07

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Zakim, this will be html_wg
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Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
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Date: 07 June 2012
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+[GVoice]
16:01:44 [dsinger]
zakim, [apple] has dsinger
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+dsinger; got it
16:01:48 [paulc]
zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
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+paulc; got it
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+[Microsoft.a]
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zakim, [GVoice] is me
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+ddorwin; got it
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+Sam
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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2012AprJun/0026.html
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+[Microsoft.aa]
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16:02:42 [jaymunro]
zakim, [microsoft] is me
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+jaymunro; got it
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ScribeNick: glenn
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+eliot
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Chair: Sam
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Topic: ACTION items due by Thursday, June 7
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ACTION-217: Create an updated Caret ring focus (Rich, Ted, Frank)
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ACTION-217 Create an updated Caret ring focus (Rich, Ted, Frank) ISSUE-201 CP notes added
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+KevinStreeter
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jun/0016.html
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issue-201?
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ISSUE-201 -- Provide canvas location and hit testing capability to fallback content -- open
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http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/201
16:04:33 [glenn]
rubys: any updates?
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paulc: some discussion on TF happened
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... cover under TF reporrt
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+??P21
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ACTION-219?
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ACTION-219 -- Edward O'Connor to review Michael Cooper's CP for ISSUE-199a -- due 2012-06-07 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/219
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paulc: ted asked for extension
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... look undeer announced list
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s/undeer/under/
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action-219 due 14 June
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ACTION-219 Review Michael Cooper's CP for ISSUE-199a due date now 14 June
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ACTION-219: extend one week to 14th
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ACTION-219 Review Michael Cooper's CP for ISSUE-199a notes added
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Ted's request: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2012AprJun/0027.html
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Topic: New Issues this Week
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none
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Zakim, call Mike
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ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
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+Mike
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Topic: Items Closed last Week
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none
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zakim, who is on the phone?
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On the phone I see Radhika_Roy, [Apple], ??P3, +25686aaaa, jaymunro, ddorwin, [Microsoft.a], Sam, [Microsoft.aa], eliot, KevinStreeter, ??P21, Mike
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jaymunro has paulc
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[Apple] has dsinger
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Topic: Items Closing Next Week
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ISSUE-205: text-editing-canvas, Survey closes Jun 7
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ISSUE-205 Define what author guidance and/or methods should be provided to those that wish to create accessible text editors using canvas as a rendering surface. notes added
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Topic: Items Closing Next Week
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ISSUE-203: media-descriptions, Write Alternate or Counter-Proposal
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closes Jun 10
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ISSUE-203 All Media Elements should have the ability to have both short and longer textual descriptions associated to the element notes added
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+Julian_Reschke
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Topic: New Calls this week
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none
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The Huawei rep is probably one of the ??P items in the list of phone participants.
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Topic: New Surveys This Week
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+??P17
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none
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+ +1.613.491.aabb
16:08:14 [Clarke]
zakim, ??P17 is me
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+Clarke; got it
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Topic: Decisions This Week
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none
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Could the Huawei rep please contact paulc at pcotton@microsoft.com to discuss the WG phone mechanics.
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Topic: Task Force Reports
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Here what I would report if I were to attend the meeting
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* We meet as planned on June 5th 2012 (meeting notes ->
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2012Jun/0004.html)
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* Spring Cleaning Part #1 Completed (updated 353 tests to use /resources as
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the vroot for testharness.js)
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* Expecting a new test submission/contribution from Mathias Bynens
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* David Zbarsky updated the Opera Microdata tests with feedback from Simon
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Peters
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rubys: Testing TF
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+[Microsoft]
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rubys: discussion?
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rubys: A11Y TF
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mike: janina usually does, but can't make today's call
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... updated CP for ISSUE-31c, meta generator exception
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... will be provided by Friday
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... also further discussion on ISSUE-194
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... proposal around transcript element
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... progress made on agreement, but further discussion needed
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issue-199?
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ISSUE-199 -- Define complete processing requirements for ARIA attributes -- open
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http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/199
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... ISSUE-199 is anothere issue
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s/anothere/another/
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mike: janina needs to discuss with ted
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s/mike/MikeSmith/g
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http://www.w3.org/2012/06/07-html-a11y-minutes.html
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rubys: what is next step on ISSUE-194?
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MikeSmith: expecting to have TF consensus call, but didn't happen
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... due to lack of agreement on CP
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... JF, Sylvia, Eric, and Ted needed further discussion
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rubys: questions?
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Topic: Other Business
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ISSUE-201?
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ISSUE-201 -- Provide canvas location and hit testing capability to fallback content -- open
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http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/201
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rubys: note from frank about aligning proposals
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+Aaron
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s/frank/frnkolivier/
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jun/0020.html
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s/frnkolivier/frankolivier/
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frankolivier: awaiting feedback from Ted
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paulc: chairs will follow up, but probably not until next Monday after mjs returns
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... will try to push along
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ISSUE-204?
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ISSUE-204 -- Exempt ARIA attributes from the rule that prohibits reference to hidden elements -- open
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http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/204
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rubys: got indication TF will object to any/all ?
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s/all ?/all SHALLS/
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rubys: ready for survey, but not sure
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... would like indication that a consensus may be obtained first
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... haven't heard back from janina yet
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... wants to hear something back soon
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[who's talking?]
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here's what I posted: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jun/0021.html
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cynthia: asks mike to follow up
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rubys: media teleconference times
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paulc: tuesday 1500Z looks like best time
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... will work with editors to create agenda for next week's first meeting
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... mikesmith has worked on admin tasks, public-html-media@w3.org is new ML
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... people will need to subscribe
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+[Microsoft.aaa]
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... also a tracker assigned to telecon slot
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zakim, [Microsoft.aaa] is me
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+adrianba; got it
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... changed bugzilla linkage for components prior used, now linked to new public-html-media ML
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... will send out email announcing agenda tomorrow
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rubys: AOB?
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... ISSUE-189?
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jun/0021.html
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ISSUE-189?
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ISSUE-189 -- Prefix convention needs to be coordinated with IETF -- open
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http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/189
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q+
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... needs follow up from ted, otherwise will treat as withdrawn
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ack next
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julian: this action went to chair of A11Y WG, so maybe feedback will arrive
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rubys: ted's CP says editor can do what he wants, but rubys said needs more specificity
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julian: will look at CP
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zakim, who is makign noise?
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I don't understand your question, dsinger.
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zakim, who is making noise?
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dsinger, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Sam (29%), ??P21 (66%)
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rubys: any other other business?
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Topic: Scribe for Next Meeting
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rubys: will assign at meeting time
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-Radhika_Roy
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Topic: Adjournment
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adjourned
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-[Apple]
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-Clarke
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-Mike
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-Julian_Reschke
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- +25686aaaa
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-Aaron
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-KevinStreeter
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- +1.613.491.aabb
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-Sam
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-[Microsoft.aa]
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-??P21
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-adrianba
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-ddorwin
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-eliot
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/07-html-wg-minutes.html glenn
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-[Microsoft]
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trackbot, end meeting
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Zakim, list attendees
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As of this point the attendees have been Radhika_Roy, +25686aaaa, dsinger, paulc, ddorwin, Sam, jaymunro, eliot, KevinStreeter, Mike, Julian_Reschke, +1.613.491.aabb, Clarke,
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... [Microsoft], Aaron, adrianba
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RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/07-html-wg-minutes.html trackbot
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RRSAgent, bye
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I see no action items