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15:03:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P36, Canon, [GVoice], +1.360.367.aaaa, Mark_Vickers, Karl
15:03:32 <Clarke> zakim, who is on the phone
15:03:49 <kaz> Present: Clarke, Mark_Vickers, Kaz
15:03:53 <kaz> zakim, Karl is me
15:03:57 <Clarke> zakim, ??P36 is me
15:03:57 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', Clarke
15:04:01 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Juhani, jason, Zakim, kaz, ddorwin, Clarke, nisc, glenn, masao, timeless, trackbot
15:04:08 <kaz> zakim, ??P36 is Clarke
15:04:15 <kaz> zakim, Karl is Kaz
15:04:25 <Zakim> +kaz; got it
15:04:29 <Zakim> +Clarke; got it
15:04:33 <kaz> Present+ Niclas
15:04:38 <nisc> *Niklas
15:04:39 <Zakim> +??P20
15:04:41 <Zakim> +kstreeter
15:04:43 <Zakim> I already had ??P36 as Clarke, kaz
15:04:47 <Zakim> sorry, kaz, I do not recognize a party named 'Karl'
15:04:59 <kaz> Present: Clarke, Mark_Vickers, Kaz, Niklas
15:05:04 <Zakim> + +1.425.888.aabb
15:05:12 <Zakim> +??P38
15:05:18 <kaz> Present: Clarke, Mark_Vickers, Kaz, Niklas, Kevin, Bob, John
15:05:34 <kaz> zakim, aabb is Bob
15:05:34 <Zakim> +Bob; got it
15:05:40 <kaz> zakim, ??P38 is John
15:05:40 <Zakim> +John; got it
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15:05:51 <Zakim> + +358.405.81aacc
15:05:56 <Clarke> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/Agenda_Telco_31st_May_2012
15:06:07 <kaz> Present: Clarke, Mark_Vickers, Kaz, Niklas, Kevin, Bob, John, Juhani
15:06:11 <Zakim> +joesteele
15:06:14 <kaz> zakim, aacc is Juhani
15:06:14 <Zakim> +Juhani; got it
15:06:21 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
15:06:23 <Zakim> On the phone I see Clarke, Canon, [GVoice], +1.360.367.aaaa, Mark_Vickers, kaz, ??P20, kstreeter, Bob, John, Juhani, joesteele
15:06:39 <Zakim> On IRC I see joesteele, Johnsim, RRSAgent, Juhani, jason, Zakim, kaz, ddorwin, Clarke, nisc, glenn, masao, timeless, trackbot
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15:06:52 <jason> Clarke: Agenda. Talk about collaboration with web RTC
15:07:59 <kaz> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-and-tv/2012May/0027.html Clarke's message on WebRTC
15:08:57 <kaz> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/Agenda_Telco_31st_May_2012
15:09:28 <jason> MarkV: Issue is I don't see distinction or clear line between RTC webcam video or video playback 
15:09:33 <kaz> i/Clarke:/scribenick: jason/
15:09:53 <Zakim> +MarkW
15:09:57 <kaz> i/Clarke:/topic: Discussion about video in RTC context and whether we need to harmonize approaches/
15:10:04 <jason> ...it would be better if all these were handled in a consistent way
15:10:06 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
15:10:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see Clarke, Canon, [GVoice], +1.360.367.aaaa, Mark_Vickers, kaz, ??P20, kstreeter, Bob, John, Juhani, joesteele, MarkW
15:10:08 <Zakim> On IRC I see franck, kstreeter, joesteele, Johnsim, RRSAgent, Juhani, jason, Zakim, kaz, ddorwin, Clarke, nisc, glenn, masao, timeless, trackbot
15:10:26 <jason> Zakim, who is talking?
15:10:27 <nisc> zakim, ??P20 is Niklas
15:10:27 <Zakim> +Niklas; got it
15:10:37 <Zakim> jason, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: John (53%)
15:11:09 <kaz> zakim, John is Bob_Lund
15:11:09 <Zakim> +Bob_Lund; got it
15:11:18 <kaz> zakim, Bob is John_Simmons
15:11:18 <Zakim> +John_Simmons; got it
15:11:45 <jason> Bob: the web rtc new API but don't think there is a fundamental disprepancy in approach
15:11:59 <kaz> zakim, Canon is Franck(?)
15:11:59 <Zakim> +Franck(?); got it
15:12:31 <jason> Clarke: seems like we should still follow up and review our requirements and compare with RTC specs to see if they still apply
15:14:12 <Johnsim> http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-webrtc-20111027/
15:14:30 <jason> John: review of their working draft would be a good next step.
15:14:34 <kaz> http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-webrtc-20120209/ is the latest one?
15:14:52 <kaz> q+
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15:15:33 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=47318 WebRTC participants list
15:16:28 <jason> All: discussion about how to find someone to review the spec.  Is there anyone who is on the web RTC group? or any volunteers to join?
15:17:06 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=47318&order=org by member company
15:17:37 <jason> Clark: we'll put out a call to see if we can get someone to work on this
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15:18:17 <Zakim> +??P1
15:18:25 <glenn> zakim, ??p1 is glenn
15:18:25 <Zakim> +glenn; got it
15:18:30 <jason> Kaz: there is a newer February public draft that should be reviewed
15:18:58 <kaz> not a LCWD, but an ordinary wd
15:19:52 <jason> Clark: Some activity on bug 12399 that we should review
15:20:21 <jason> ...13599 also, and we should discuss about how to handle mapping
15:20:26 <kaz> i/Clarke:/topic: Bug review/
15:21:22 <jason> Bob: problem is how can a user-agent convey data that is in text or metadata tracks
15:22:08 <jason> ...made some proposals based on webm, ogg, mp4, mpeg2 ts
15:22:41 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13625 Bug 13625
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15:23:03 <jason> ...focus was how to make concise as possible so user agent can easily inspect
15:23:47 <Zakim> +Aaron
15:24:04 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13359 Bug 13359
15:24:48 <jason> Zakim, who is speaking
15:24:48 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is speaking', jason
15:24:56 <jason> Zakim, who is talking
15:24:56 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is talking', jason
15:26:21 <jason> Bob: Is this going to be part HTML5? where is this going to be written down
15:28:02 <jason> Mark: The transport specs could reference this. It makes sense for web browsers manufacturers to be able to refer to a central location. But agree it doesn't need to be in the HTML5 itself.  Perhaps good place to be in WHATWG
15:28:35 <jason> Bob: Don't think it belongs on the transport spec itself
15:29:12 <jason> Clarke: like the idea of a list of pointers
15:29:18 <Mark_Vickers> http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/RelExtensions
15:29:52 <Mark_Vickers> http://microformats.org/wiki/existing-rel-values
15:30:24 <Mark_Vickers> http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/MetaExtensions
15:30:44 <jason> Bob: think the long explanation could be a W3C spec
15:31:53 <jason> Mark: these examples show a collection of useful pointers and lists, see the RelExtensions.  Seems we want to do something similar
15:33:46 <jason> Bob: lets comment on bug a suggest this and bring up question on where to write this down
15:33:48 <kaz> zakim, GVoice is ddorwin(?)
15:33:48 <Zakim> +ddorwin(?); got it
15:34:06 <kaz> zakim, aaaa is Jason(?)
15:34:06 <Zakim> +Jason(?); got it
15:35:55 <jason> Bob: order of tracks in track lists should be the same as the order the streams appear in their respective video formats
15:37:07 <jason> Mark: should we add another bug about this lack of clarity?
15:38:12 <jason> Kaz: HTML5 last call 2 date is not fixed yet 
15:39:42 <jason> Clarke: continuing to work through the changes on the requirements docs
15:40:23 <joesteele> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/html-media/results 
15:40:41 <kaz> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012May/0162.html Paul Cotton's message
15:41:02 <jason> ...feel it would be better to continue discussing next time
15:41:25 <kaz> s/...feel/Clarke: feel/
15:41:51 <kaz> [[
15:41:55 <kaz> The time slot that raised the greatest participation AND the least dissent is Tuesday at 15:00 UTC:
15:41:57 <kaz> 	1500 UTC is 8am PDT, 11am EDT, 5pm Paris, 11pm Beijing, 12midnight Tokyo/Seoul, 1am Sydney, 3am Auckland
15:41:59 <kaz> Based on these poll results the WG Chairs have decided to convene the first HTML WG Media teleconference on Tue Jun 12 at 1500 UTC.  After Jun 12 this teleconference will occur weekly.
15:42:01 <kaz> I will Chair the first meeting and will send out an agenda for this meeting before Fri June 8.    I will work with the editors of the Encrypted Media [1] and Media Source [2] proposals to set the agendas for the initial meetings.
15:42:03 <kaz> ]]
15:42:22 <jason> Joe: time for secure media 'sub' group is now posted.  Looks like 8am PDT and the call will be chaired by Paul Cotton
15:42:24 <Zakim> -glenn
15:42:28 <Zakim> -Mark_Vickers
15:42:29 <Zakim> -Aaron
15:42:30 <Zakim> -joesteele
15:42:30 <Zakim> -Clarke
15:42:32 <Zakim> -Juhani
15:42:33 <Zakim> -John_Simmons
15:42:33 <Zakim> -ddorwin(?)
15:42:34 <Zakim> -Bob_Lund
15:42:34 <Zakim> -kstreeter
15:42:38 <Zakim> -Franck(?)
15:42:46 <Zakim> -Niklas
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15:43:02 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
15:43:03 <Clarke> Thanks for scribing, Jason
15:43:03 <Zakim> -Jason(?)
15:43:06 <Zakim> -MarkW
15:43:08 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:43:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/31-webtv-minutes.html kaz
15:43:13 <Zakim> -kaz
15:43:14 <Zakim> UW_WebTVIG()11:00AM has ended
15:43:14 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.360.367.aaaa, Mark_Vickers, kaz, Clarke, kstreeter, +1.425.888.aabb, +358.405.81aacc, joesteele, Juhani, MarkW, Niklas, Bob_Lund, John_Simmons, Franck(?), glenn,
15:43:14 <Zakim> ... Aaron, ddorwin(?), Jason(?)
15:47:07 <kaz> [ adjourned ]
15:47:11 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:47:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/31-webtv-minutes.html kaz
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