13:52:29 RRSAgent has joined #wcag2ict 13:52:29 logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/05/22-wcag2ict-irc 13:52:33 rrsagent, make log world 13:52:59 meeting: WCAG2ICT Task Force 13:53:01 agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag2ict-tf/2012May/0001.html 13:54:53 mapluke has joined #wcag2ict 13:58:21 WAI_(WCAG2ICT)10:00AM has now started 13:58:28 +Andi_Snow_Weaver 13:59:31 +Cooper 13:59:34 +Al_Hoffman 14:00:03 + +1.410.965.aaaa 14:00:19 zakim, aaaa is Pierce_Crowell 14:00:19 +Pierce_Crowell; got it 14:00:25 +??P6 14:00:36 zakim, ??P6 is Mike_Pluke 14:00:36 +Mike_Pluke; got it 14:00:37 +[Microsoft] 14:00:46 zakim, Microsoft is Alex_Li 14:00:46 +Alex_Li; got it 14:01:16 shadi has joined #wcag2ict 14:01:16 +Mary_Jo_Mueller 14:01:22 +David_MacDonald 14:01:39 MaryJo has joined #wcag2ict 14:01:48 korn has joined #wcag2ict 14:02:02 +??P18 14:02:04 +Shadi 14:02:07 Good morning / afternoon. I'll be on in a moment; having some phone difficulties... 14:02:11 zakim, mute me 14:02:11 Shadi should now be muted 14:02:13 greggvanderheiden has joined #wcag2ict 14:02:15 zakim, ??P18 is Gregg_Vanderheiden 14:02:16 +Gregg_Vanderheiden; got it 14:03:23 +Judy 14:04:50 +??P25 14:05:03 David has joined #wcag2ict 14:05:12 janina has joined #wcag2ict 14:05:13 zakim, ??P25 is Janina_Sajka 14:05:13 +Janina_Sajka; got it 14:05:54 + +1.510.334.aabb 14:06:04 zakim, aabb is Peter_KOrn 14:06:04 +Peter_KOrn; got it 14:06:14 zakim, aabb is Peter_Korn 14:06:14 sorry, korn, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb' 14:06:17 zakim, peter is Peter_Korn 14:06:17 +Peter_Korn; got it 14:06:37 chair: Andi_Snow-Weaver 14:06:43 I will need to leave on the hour. 14:07:09 scribeNick: greggvanderheiden 14:07:54 Alex has joined #wcag2ict 14:08:50 trackbot, status? 14:08:50 This channel is not configured 14:09:06 trackbot, bye 14:09:06 trackbot has left #wcag2ict 14:09:13 +Judy.a 14:09:14 -Judy 14:09:29 Topic 14:10:59 topic: Check on meeting scribe, participation confirmations, sign-ups 14:11:17 agenda+ If you missed the information session: http://www.w3.org/2012/05/18-wcag2ict-minutes.html -- Andi 14:11:19 agenda+ Document drafts: status, location, access -- Gregg 14:11:20 agenda+ Document content: orientation to sections & layers needing discussion -- Gregg 14:11:22 agenda+ First assignments for working on document sections -- Andi 14:11:23 agenda+ Any additional reference materials to contribute? -- Judy 14:11:25 agenda+ Document milestones for coming months (revisit Friday) -- Andi, Mike 14:11:26 agenda+ Confirm next meeting time; action items; request next scribe; 14:11:47 Zakim, next item 14:11:47 agendum 1. "If you missed the information session: http://www.w3.org/2012/05/18-wcag2ict-minutes.html -- Andi" taken up [from MichaelC] 14:12:35 After last info meeting some were there who can't participate and some that missed the meeting 14:13:33 half the group are now signed up -- but signup is still in progress 14:13:41 trackbot has joined #wcag2ict 14:13:43 Sorry... I don't know anything about this channel 14:13:45 If you want to associate this channel with an existing Tracker, please say 'trackbot, associate this channel with #channel' (where #channel is the name of default channel for the group) 14:13:47 participant list: http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=55145&public=1 14:14:10 By Thursday should have better list of members 14:14:31 Contact Judy regarding who is signed up and signing up 14:14:38 if you have questions 14:14:47 Judy has joined #wcag2ict 14:14:49 zakim, next item 14:14:49 agendum 2. "Document drafts: status, location, access -- Gregg" taken up [from MichaelC] 14:15:24 We will be mailing a link to the minutes to the mail list after each meeting 14:15:36 and each minutes links to the others 14:17:44 scribe: Andi 14:18:04 https://sites.google.com/site/wcag2ict/ 14:18:49 GV: basically "Understanding WCAG Applied to ICT" 14:19:19 GV: for performance - each SC on a separate page but can also be collected as a single document 14:19:47 zakim, who is on the phone? 14:19:47 On the phone I see Andi_Snow_Weaver, Cooper, Al_Hoffman, Pierce_Crowell, Mike_Pluke, Alex_Li, Mary_Jo_Mueller, David_MacDonald, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Shadi (muted), Janina_Sajka, 14:19:51 ... Peter_Korn, Judy.a 14:20:46 GV: cross cutting issues - in introduction, more detail after the sections on each SC 14:23:44 GV: one suggestion is to focus on Level A/AA first and come back to Level AAA to meet the needs of regulatory initiatives 14:24:25 GV: Definitions from glossary: https://sites.google.com/site/wcag2ict/home/definitions-from-glossary 14:26:16 GV: pages not provided for terms that seem to apply to non-web ICT as is - can be re-opened by request to Andi from any TF member 14:26:24 https://sites.google.com/site/wcag2ict/home/1-perceivable/13-create-content-that-can-be-presented-in-different-ways/131-info-and-relationships 14:26:54 GV: looking at a page for a particular guideline (3.1 for example) 14:27:15 GV: important to include WCAG 2.0 intent verbatim 14:28:43 GV: nothing goes above the big blue block labeled "." until TF has reached consensus on it. Only editors edit this space 14:29:12 GV: below the big blue block is space for contributions and discussion 14:30:41 s/(3.1 for example)/(1.3.1 for example)/ 14:32:47 GV: if somebody makes a comment and you want to edit their comment, make a copy of it and edit the copy 14:33:46 GV: never edit the SC text or intent text from WCAG 14:34:41 GV: we can "suggest" changes to the intent text back to the WCAG working group if we find that something needs to be clarified 14:36:19 q+ 14:38:18 q+ 14:38:41 MP: some of work M376 team has done on definitions might be helpful 14:42:15 GV: proposes putting this information in the cross-cutting section on interpretation of web terms 14:42:25 PK: think this kind of thing belongs in the introduction 14:43:13 GV: cross-cutting issues will get sorted where they need to go including the introduction - think that the cross-cutting section is the best place to collect the contributions, discuss, and reach consensus 14:44:21 PK: need to have these in the back of our minds as we discuss each SC 14:45:23 GV: suggest removing "key terms" section from introduction for now so that all of it is in the cross-cutting section while we are doing our discussion 14:46:17 PK: suggest that we collect what we believe will be the key terms and link to appropriate section in the Cross-cutting issues section 14:48:15 q+ 14:48:22 ack korn 14:48:24 ack Andi 14:50:09 resolution: remove discussion of key terms from introduction, leave only a list of what the key terms are, with links to the cross-cutting issues section for the discussion 14:51:35 PC: with regard to Understanding WCAG 2.0 intent, if we are to make changes, how do we reflect that in the working document 14:52:03 GV: recommend we put our suggested changes in square brackets. If approved by the WCAG WG, we can update 14:53:03 q+ 14:53:43 ack Judy 14:53:43 ack ju 14:54:56 PK: agree that this is a good working structure but may not be our final structure 14:55:55 PK: Oracle comments have been reviewed with industry but should not be taken as industry position 14:56:11 q 14:56:13 q+ 14:56:26 GV: supposed to have a draft in a month - need to settle on the structure ASAP 14:56:34 q+ 14:57:10 GV: suggest parallel the Understanding document since this is another understanding document 14:58:19 zakim, who's on the phone? 14:58:19 On the phone I see Andi_Snow_Weaver, Cooper, Al_Hoffman, Pierce_Crowell, Mike_Pluke, Alex_Li, Mary_Jo_Mueller, David_MacDonald, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Shadi (muted), Janina_Sajka, 14:58:22 ... Peter_Korn, Judy.a 14:58:30 Regrets that I must leave for another call now. 14:58:35 janina has left #wcag2ict 14:58:41 -Janina_Sajka 14:59:02 q_ 14:59:04 q- 14:59:18 AS: don't think we can resolve today. Let's begin discussing with this structure and try to settle on final structure soon as we work our way through the draft. 15:00:30 scribe: greggvander 15:00:38 zakim, next item 15:00:38 I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, Andi 15:00:45 ack mapluke 15:00:50 zakim, next item 15:00:50 agendum 3. "Document content: orientation to sections & layers needing discussion -- Gregg" taken up [from MichaelC] 15:01:00 zakim, next item 15:01:00 agendum 3 was just opened, Andi 15:01:11 zakim, close agenda item 3 15:01:11 I don't understand 'close agenda item 3', Andi 15:01:17 zakim, next item 15:01:17 agendum 3 was just opened, Andi 15:01:31 zakim, close agendum 3 15:01:31 agendum 3, Document content: orientation to sections & layers needing discussion -- Gregg, closed 15:01:34 I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 15:01:34 4. First assignments for working on document sections -- Andi [from MichaelC] 15:01:34 DIscussion handled in item above 15:03:26 q+ 15:03:31 q+ 15:03:42 zakim, who's on the phone? 15:03:42 On the phone I see Andi_Snow_Weaver, Cooper, Al_Hoffman, Pierce_Crowell, Mike_Pluke, Alex_Li, Mary_Jo_Mueller, David_MacDonald, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Shadi (muted), Peter_Korn, 15:03:45 ... Judy.a 15:05:07 q- 15:07:27 q+ 15:07:52 Peter k: To quickly review and discuss the definitions of key terms first to be familiar with the issues, but not try to resolve them. Then to do the SC by SC review and come back to the terms. 15:07:52 q+ to suggest some more general homework assignments for all TF participants between now and Friday 15:08:42 Peter K: To quickly review the various ideas/descriptions of key terms first - to have them in the back of our minds (and NOT try to resolve them). Then to do the SC by SC review... 15:09:06 pierce_ has joined #wcag2ict 15:10:05 Judy: Suggest that anyone joining later read both the minutes from the Intro meeting and the Minutes from this meeting (both to be posted to the TF home page as special posting) 15:11:00 Judy: Suggest that sections of the document be mapped out so that teams can tackle different sections to create suggestions for handling them that people can comment on. 15:11:22 q+ 15:11:31 q+ 15:11:36 ack judy 15:11:36 Judy, you wanted to suggest some more general homework assignments for all TF participants between now and Friday 15:11:37 ackj 15:12:40 ack Alex 15:12:48 Alex: alternative approach is to do the SC by SC approach starting right away to get going and familiarize people with the process. 15:12:55 s/as special posting)/as special posting), and that people also read all of the documents that Gregg introduced in today's call, before Friday's meeting./ 15:12:59 q+ to ask about exporting from Google Docs to HTML 15:13:40 ack mapluke 15:13:43 Mike: From looking at this we found that some work was needed for some SC but other SC need no additional comments to apply them. The facilitators may want to group them in this way. 15:14:25 Judy: Suggested the grouping to find things so that people can identify where they can contribute. 15:14:30 ack greggvanerheiden 15:14:36 JUdy: agree with mike about getting started 15:14:37 ack g 15:14:58 s/Suggest that sections of the document be mapped/Suggest that Andi and Mike and the editors start identifying areas of the document to be mapped/ 15:15:21 s/agree with mike/agree with Alex/ 15:15:38 ack me 15:15:39 shadi, you wanted to ask about exporting from Google Docs to HTML 15:16:15 zakim, mute me 15:16:15 Shadi should now be muted 15:16:19 -Gregg_Vanderheiden 15:16:20 Shadi: Wondering how to export the things from gougle to html 15:16:47 +??P18 15:17:06 zakim, ??P18 is Gregg 15:17:06 +Gregg; got it 15:18:52 q+ 15:19:19 ANDI: for Friday discuss key terms. Facilitators to identify how to attack the work. EVERYONE read the docs 15:19:48 Judy: Plus everyone should read the TF home page and starter docs 15:20:03 q? 15:20:16 zakim, next item 15:20:16 agendum 4. "First assignments for working on document sections -- Andi" taken up [from MichaelC] 15:20:32 zakim, next item 15:20:32 I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, greggvanderheiden 15:20:49 ack j 15:20:49 ack ju 15:20:59 zakim, next item 15:20:59 agendum 4 was just opened, greggvanderheiden 15:21:14 done with this item -- covered above 15:21:16 zakim, next item 15:21:16 agendum 5. "Any additional reference materials to contribute? -- Judy" taken up [from MichaelC] 15:21:21 none 15:21:23 zakim, next item 15:21:23 agendum 5 was just opened, greggvanderheiden 15:21:40 No additional items identified at this time 15:21:42 zakim, next item 15:21:42 agendum 5 was just opened, greggvanderheiden 15:21:58 test 15:22:07 zakim, next item 15:22:07 agendum 5 was just opened, David 15:22:15 http://www.w3.org/2012/04/WCAG2ICT-WorkStatement.html#timeline 15:22:16 zakim, item 6 15:22:16 I don't understand 'item 6', greggvanderheiden 15:22:47 zakim, close this item 15:22:47 agendum 5 closed 15:22:48 I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 15:22:48 6. Document milestones for coming months (revisit Friday) -- Andi, Mike [from MichaelC] 15:22:50 zakim, next item 15:22:50 agendum 6. "Document milestones for coming months (revisit Friday) -- Andi, Mike" taken up [from MichaelC] 15:23:40 Judy: Need to have a visible draft of the document in June 15:24:04 q+ 15:24:08 Judy: work needed on specifics for milestones 15:24:18 ack mapluke 15:24:31 Judy: need to talk with Facilitators to work this out 15:24:51 Mike: Need a pretty good draft by end of July for European work 15:25:17 Andi: The draft doc and pre-work will help us have something by then 15:25:17 s/document in June/document in June, and a circulatable draft in July 15:25:31 q+ 15:25:32 q+ 15:26:13 Shadi : Draft needs to be ready and approved by WCAG WG by mid july if it is to be published by end july 15:26:14 [11:25am] 15:26:23 q- 15:26:45 Judy: Need a stable draft to circulate by early July in order to do these things 15:27:12 zakim, next item 15:27:12 I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, greggvanderheiden 15:27:17 ack j 15:27:31 zakim, next item 15:27:31 agendum 7. "Confirm next meeting time; action items; request next scribe;" taken up [from MichaelC] 15:27:50 Judy: Tues time looks like it won't work for more people than we thought 15:28:04 Judy: May have to move the Tuesday time 15:28:18 Judy: which may be hard 15:28:24 can 15:28:26 can 15:28:27 can 15:28:31 can 15:28:43 cannot this friday, but otherwise Friday OK 15:28:43 question: who is available for Friday US 10am 15:28:51 judy can 15:28:51 can 15:29:02 zakim, who is here? 15:29:02 On the phone I see Andi_Snow_Weaver, Cooper, Al_Hoffman, Pierce_Crowell, Mike_Pluke, Alex_Li, Mary_Jo_Mueller, David_MacDonald, Shadi (muted), Peter_Korn, Judy.a, Gregg 15:29:05 On IRC I see pierce_, Judy, trackbot, Alex, David, greggvanderheiden, korn, MaryJo, shadi, mapluke, RRSAgent, Zakim, MichaelC, Andi 15:29:14 s/US 10am/US 10am ET 15:29:22 Judy: called for show of hand who can make it on Friday time (all on the phone said that they could make it usually) 15:30:36 Judy: will look at Tuesday and report back 15:31:15 q+ 15:32:27 Andi: will revisit the scribe issue on Friday 15:32:28 q- 15:32:32 s/will look at Tuesday and report back/will collate replies for Tuesday time in general, and report to Andi and Mike, suggesting a Doodle poll if necessary/ 15:32:42 -Al_Hoffman 15:32:45 -Peter_Korn 15:32:47 -David_MacDonald 15:32:49 -Andi_Snow_Weaver 15:32:49 -Pierce_Crowell 15:32:50 -Cooper 15:32:51 -Judy.a 15:32:54 -Shadi 15:32:55 -Alex_Li 15:32:59 -Mike_Pluke 15:33:06 -Gregg 15:33:13 rrsagent, make minutes 15:33:13 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/22-wcag2ict-minutes.html Andi 15:33:29 korn has left #wcag2ict 15:34:06 mapluke has left #wcag2ict 15:38:07 disconnecting the lone participant, Mary_Jo_Mueller, in WAI_(WCAG2ICT)10:00AM 15:38:09 WAI_(WCAG2ICT)10:00AM has ended 15:38:09 Attendees were Andi_Snow_Weaver, Cooper, Al_Hoffman, +1.410.965.aaaa, Pierce_Crowell, Mike_Pluke, Alex_Li, Mary_Jo_Mueller, David_MacDonald, Shadi, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Judy, 15:38:09 ... Janina_Sajka, +1.510.334.aabb, Peter_KOrn, Gregg 15:38:23 zakim, bye 15:38:23 Zakim has left #wcag2ict 15:42:02 present: Andi_Snow-Weaver, Michael_Cooper, Al_Hoffman, Pierce_Crowell, Mike_Pluke, Alex_Li, Mary_Jo_Mueller, David_MacDonald, Shadi_Abou-Zhara, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Judy_Brewer, Peter_Korn 15:42:06 rrsagent, make minutes 15:42:06 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/22-wcag2ict-minutes.html Andi 15:42:49 s/Good morning / afternoon. I'll be on in a moment; having some phone difficulties...// 15:43:00 s/I will need to leave on the hour.// 15:43:13 present+: Janina_Sajka 15:43:18 rrsagent, make minutes 15:43:18 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/22-wcag2ict-minutes.html Andi 15:45:53 rrsagent, make minutes 15:45:53 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/22-wcag2ict-minutes.html Andi 15:48:12 s/how do we reflect that in the working document/how do we reflect that in the working document?/ 15:48:15 rrsagent, make minutes 15:48:15 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/22-wcag2ict-minutes.html Andi 15:49:34 scribe: Andi 15:49:44 s/how do we reflect that in the working document/how do we reflect that in the working document?/ 15:49:52 rrsagent, make minutes 15:49:52 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/22-wcag2ict-minutes.html Andi 15:51:06 MichaelC, still there? 15:51:46 rrsagent, stop 15:53:45 but can't add anyone - need to add Janina. Isn't the command present+ ? 15:53:59 s/scribe: greggvander/scribe: greggvanderheiden/ 15:54:03 s/how do we reflect that in the working document/how do we reflect that in the working document?// 15:54:16 s/but can't add anyone - need to add Janina. Isn't the command present+ ?// 15:54:22 rrsagent, make minutes 15:54:22 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/22-wcag2ict-minutes.html Andi 15:54:34 present+ Janina_Sajka 15:55:06 rrsagent, make minutes 15:55:06 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/22-wcag2ict-minutes.html Andi 15:55:35 s/Good morning / afternoon. I'll be on in a moment; having some phone difficulties...// 15:55:38 rrsagent, make minutes 15:55:38 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/22-wcag2ict-minutes.html Andi 15:56:07 s/trackbot, status?// 15:56:10 rrsagent, make minutes 15:56:10 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/22-wcag2ict-minutes.html Andi 15:56:26 s/Topic// 15:56:30 rrsagent, make minutes 15:56:30 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/22-wcag2ict-minutes.html Andi 15:58:26 s/This channel is not configured// 15:58:40 s/trackbot, bye// 15:58:51 s/Good morning / afternoon. I'll be on in a moment; having some phone difficulties...// 15:59:44 s/q_// 16:00:20 s/Good morning// 16:00:29 s/afternoon. I'll be on in a moment; having some phone difficulties...// 16:01:40 s/ackj// 16:03:37 s/MichaelC, still there?// 16:03:57 rrsagent, make minutes 16:03:57 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/22-wcag2ict-minutes.html Andi 16:04:40 s/Good morning// 16:04:55 s/afternoon. I'll be on in a moment; having some phone difficulties...// 16:05:02 rrsagent, make minutes 16:05:02 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/22-wcag2ict-minutes.html Andi 16:07:38 s/how do we reflect that in the working document?// 16:08:18 s/how do we reflect that in the working document// 16:08:24 rrsagent, make minutes 16:08:24 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/22-wcag2ict-minutes.html Andi 16:09:34 s/afternoon. I'll be on in a moment; having some phone difficulties...// 16:09:47 s/Good morning// 16:09:52 rrsagent, make minutes 16:09:52 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/22-wcag2ict-minutes.html Andi 16:11:11 s/document??/document?/ 16:12:39 s/called for show of hand/called for show of hands/ 16:12:45 rrsagent, make minutes 16:12:45 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/22-wcag2ict-minutes.html Andi 16:13:52 s/afternoon. I'll be on in a moment; having some phone difficulties...// 16:14:03 s/Good morning// 16:14:07 rrsagent, make minutes 16:14:07 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/22-wcag2ict-minutes.html Andi 16:14:52 s/afternoon. I'll be on in a moment; having some phone difficulties...// 16:14:56 rrsagent, make minutes 16:14:56 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/22-wcag2ict-minutes.html Andi 16:29:44 rrsagent, bye 16:29:44 I see no action items 18:19:06 RRSAgent has joined #wcag2ict 18:19:06 logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/05/22-wcag2ict-irc 18:19:08 RRSAgent, make logs 181 18:19:08 Zakim has joined #wcag2ict 18:19:10 Zakim, this will be 2428 18:19:10 I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot 18:19:11 Meeting: WCAG2ICT Task Force Teleconference 18:19:11 Date: 22 May 2012 18:20:11 rrsagent, bye 18:20:17 rrsagent, make log world 18:20:19 rrsagent, bye 18:20:19 I see no action items