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13:53:12 <fsasaki> meeting: MLW-LT
13:53:17 <fsasaki> chair: fsasaki
13:53:35 <fsasaki> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012May/0101.html
13:54:01 <fsasaki> present: df, fsasaki, jirka
13:56:21 <Jirka> felix, do you want me scribe
13:58:06 <fsasaki> scribe: jirka
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14:02:41 <Arle> I'm having trouble with GoToMeeting. I may be a bit late :-(
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14:03:03 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012May/0101.html
14:03:25 <fsasaki> last meeting minutes http://www.w3.org/2012/05/04-mlw-lt-minutes.html
14:03:27 <Jirka> Topic: Minutes and Agenda review
14:03:27 <Jirka> last meeting minutes: http://www.w3.org/2012/05/04-mlw-lt-minutes.html
14:03:40 <Jirka> minutes approved
14:03:52 <Jirka> Topic: new regular call time
14:04:36 <Jirka> Felix: is new time OK with others. 15:00 UTC
14:04:39 <Jirka> Yes
14:05:00 <Jirka> Action: Update new teleconference time to Felix
14:05:00 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Update
14:05:14 <Jirka> Action: Felix to Update new teleconference time
14:05:15 <trackbot> Created ACTION-83 - Update new teleconference time [on Felix Sasaki - due 2012-05-17].
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14:06:00 <fsasaki> present+ Milan
14:06:08 <Jirka> Action: Felix to create list of scribes
14:06:08 <trackbot> Created ACTION-84 - Create list of scribes [on Felix Sasaki - due 2012-05-17].
14:06:28 <Jirka> Topic: Action Item Review
14:06:41 <fsasaki> https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/overdue
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14:07:38 <fsasaki> https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/64
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14:09:16 <Jirka> David: For our group it is not interesting to have such best practice. We should close action item.
14:09:49 <fsasaki> https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/79
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14:10:32 <Jirka> David: feedback indicates that we should separate process related metadata
14:11:00 <Arle> (Sorry all. I'm still having trouble. I need to restart my machine and hope it fixes the problem)
14:11:04 <fsasaki> present+ Tadej
14:11:11 <Jirka> ... changes has been reflected in draft
14:11:32 <Jirka> ... new processModel has been created based on data from Pedro
14:12:52 <Jirka> ... still some discussion with Pedro is needed
14:13:38 <Jirka> Cache discussion
14:16:22 <Jirka> Pedro: cache is not about interoperability
14:16:22 <fsasaki> pedro: I'm fine with cache topic to be dropped
14:16:38 <Jirka> ... we are already implementing this
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14:20:34 <Jirka> ... caching information can be about whole page or about just part of it
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14:25:42 <Jirka> Dave: cache should be put back into requirements, it would be good if Pedro can provide some examples
14:28:13 <Jirka> action: Pedro to Provide example of cache data category
14:28:13 <trackbot> Created ACTION-85 - Provide example of cache data category [on Pedro Luis Díez Orzas - due 2012-05-17].
14:28:37 <Jirka> action: Dave to Put cache data category back to requirements
14:28:37 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Dave
14:28:45 <Jirka> action: David to Put cache data category back to requirements
14:28:45 <trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - David
14:28:45 <trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. dlewis6, dfilip)
14:28:54 <fsasaki> https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/81
14:28:58 <Jirka> action: dlewis6 to Put cache data category back to requirements
14:28:58 <trackbot> Created ACTION-86 - Put cache data category back to requirements [on David Lewis - due 2012-05-17].
14:32:07 <Jirka> David: describes status of discussion about Issue-81
14:35:46 <Jirka> Felix: continue discussion by email
14:37:13 <fsasaki> https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/11
14:37:38 <fsasaki> dave describing http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012May/0098.html
14:39:39 <Jirka> Tadej: genre and purpose are very close now
14:40:03 <Jirka> ... purpose could be changed to targetAudience or targetConsumer
14:44:07 <Jirka> Milan: describing categories from Let'sMT, if we incorporate some list it should be open for new values
14:45:25 <fsasaki> present+ Moritz
14:45:46 <Jirka> Moritz: there are definitively some values missing in the list of categories
14:46:20 <Jirka> Milan: list of categories is in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012May/0104.html
14:46:52 <Jirka> DavidF: there is different crowdsourced approach as well
14:49:00 <Jirka> Action: Felix to Summarize discussion about categories
14:49:00 <trackbot> Created ACTION-87 - Summarize discussion about categories [on Felix Sasaki - due 2012-05-17].
14:49:54 <Jirka> Pedro: we should prevent ambiguity, we should be very specific in definitions
14:50:59 <Jirka> Felix: we will publish requirements docs as W3C draft on May 20th. Any comments should be send ASAP
14:51:07 <fsasaki> https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/10
14:51:09 <Jirka> ... issue-10 lang vs locale
14:51:39 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012May/0072.html
14:52:00 <Jirka> ... we are inconsistent now using BCP47 or UTC #35
14:52:05 <Jirka> ... we should unify this
14:52:18 <Jirka> ... for language we should use BCP47 exclusively
14:52:45 <Jirka> ... for locale we should use UTC #35 and converty "-" to "_"
14:53:44 <Jirka> Resolved
14:54:22 <Jirka> Action: Felix to Edit requirements doc so consistently use BCP47/UCT35
14:54:22 <trackbot> Created ACTION-88 - Edit requirements doc so consistently use BCP47/UCT35 [on Felix Sasaki - due 2012-05-17].
14:55:20 <fsasaki> felix summarizes XPath discussion
14:55:40 <fsasaki> jirka: XPath 2.0 is pretty well supported now, has much more capabilites than 1.0
14:56:12 <fsasaki> .. if that is too hard for implementers, we can say default is 1.0, but a different mechanism can be used like 2.0
14:56:42 <fsasaki> .. schematron for example says: default is 1.0, there is an attribute "query language" that can contain a preference set: XPath 1.0, XPath 2.0, XQuery
14:57:06 <fsasaki> .. I would prefer 2.0, but we could also say 1.0 is default, and have the attribute described above
14:57:17 <fsasaki> yves: this would be a very good solution from jirka
14:57:46 <fsasaki> .. only concern is conformance: would an application need to be conformant so support all version?
14:58:10 <fsasaki> jirka: we say: MUST support XPath 1.0. Each application should state which other Query language to support
14:58:22 <fsasaki> .. but require at least 1.0
14:58:40 <fsasaki> yves: sounds good to me
14:59:17 <fsasaki> action: jirka to summarize the xpath proposal to the list and shaun
14:59:17 <trackbot> Created ACTION-89 - Summarize the xpath proposal to the list and shaun [on Jirka Kosek - due 2012-05-17].
15:00:19 <fsasaki> topic: aob
15:00:22 <fsasaki> call adjourned
15:00:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/10-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki
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