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13:26:25 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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13:26:27 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7394
13:26:27 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_RDWG()9:30AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
13:26:28 <trackbot> Meeting: Research and Development Working Group Teleconference
13:26:28 <trackbot> Date: 09 May 2012
13:26:39 <shadi> chair: Simon
13:27:23 <shadi> regrets: Shawn, Giorgio, Yeliz, Joshue
13:27:56 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-rd/2012May/0006.html
13:27:59 <shadi> agenda?
13:28:23 <shadi> Agenda+ Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments)
13:28:23 <shadi> Agenda+ Mobile Topics Update (Yeliz, Peter, Simon)
13:28:23 <shadi> Agenda+ Mobile Topic Wiki Clean Up - 
13:28:23 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Mobile_Accessibility (Yeliz, Peter, Simon)
13:28:23 <shadi> Agenda+ Current W3C Note Status (Giorgio, Markel, Josh, Shadi)
13:28:24 <shadi> Agenda+ Topic 3 Timelines - http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Topic_3_Timeline
13:28:27 <shadi> Agenda+ Publication Format Redux - (Shadi's Report on Options) - 
13:28:28 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/Drafts/rd/SP-design
13:28:30 <shadi> Agenda+ Timelines / Schedule to 30th June 2013 (Simon)
13:28:32 <shadi> Agenda+ Issues and Actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/
13:28:34 <shadi> Agenda+ Any Other Business
13:28:40 <klaus> klaus has joined #rd
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13:32:06 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
13:32:06 <Zakim> WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has not yet started, shadi
13:32:07 <Zakim> On IRC I see markel, Yehya, klaus, Zakim, RRSAgent, vivienne, nonge_, shadi, Mate, trackbot
13:32:21 <shadi> zakim, this is rdwg
13:32:21 <Zakim> ok, shadi; that matches WAI_RDWG()9:30AM
13:32:25 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
13:32:25 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P1, ??P8, Shadi, Yehya
13:32:49 <klaus> zakim, ??p8 is me
13:32:49 <Zakim> +klaus; got it
13:32:53 <vivienne> zakim, ??p1 is me
13:32:53 <Zakim> +vivienne; got it
13:33:06 <vivienne> zakim, mute me
13:33:06 <Zakim> vivienne should now be muted
13:33:39 <Zakim> +??P13
13:33:43 <vivienne> ack me
13:34:09 <markel> zakim, ??P13 is me 
13:34:09 <Zakim> +markel; got it
13:34:18 <shadi> zakim, vivienne is klaus1
13:34:18 <Zakim> +klaus1; got it
13:34:29 <shadi> zakim, klaus is vivienne
13:34:29 <Zakim> +vivienne; got it
13:34:40 <shadi> zakim, klaus1 is klaus
13:34:40 <Zakim> +klaus; got it
13:35:06 <shadi> scribe: Klaus
13:35:42 <vivienne> zakim, mute me
13:35:42 <Zakim> vivienne should now be muted
13:36:40 <sharper> sharper has joined #rd
13:37:24 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
13:37:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see klaus, vivienne (muted), Shadi, Yehya, markel
13:38:20 <Zakim> +??P14
13:38:32 <sharper> zakim, ??P14 is sharper
13:38:32 <Zakim> +sharper; got it
13:38:45 <sharper> zakim, agenda?
13:38:45 <Zakim> I see 9 items remaining on the agenda:
13:38:46 <Zakim> 1. Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments) [from shadi]
13:38:46 <Zakim> 2. Mobile Topics Update (Yeliz, Peter, Simon) [from shadi]
13:38:46 <Zakim> 3. Mobile Topic Wiki Clean Up - [from shadi]
13:38:46 <Zakim> 4. Current W3C Note Status (Giorgio, Markel, Josh, Shadi) [from shadi]
13:38:46 <Zakim> 5. Topic 3 Timelines - http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Topic_3_Timeline [from shadi]
13:38:46 <shadi> regrets+ Peter
13:38:48 <Zakim> 6. Publication Format Redux - (Shadi's Report on Options) - [from shadi]
13:38:49 <Zakim> 7. Timelines / Schedule to 30th June 2013 (Simon) [from shadi]
13:38:52 <Zakim> 8. Issues and Actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/ [from shadi]
13:38:53 <Zakim> 9. Any Other Business [from shadi]
13:39:03 <shadi> zakim, mute me
13:39:03 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
13:39:11 <shadi> ack me
13:39:13 <klaus> Si: Regrets?
13:39:25 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 2
13:39:25 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Mobile Topics Update (Yeliz, Peter, Simon)" taken up [from shadi]
13:39:39 <shadi> zakim, close agendum 1
13:39:39 <Zakim> agendum 1, Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments), closed
13:39:41 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
13:39:41 <Zakim> 2. Mobile Topics Update (Yeliz, Peter, Simon) [from shadi]
13:40:03 <klaus> SH: Not a lot submissions.
13:40:27 <klaus> Shadi: 6 submissions so far
13:40:53 <shadi> scribe: klaus
13:41:14 <klaus> Simon: Pearson, IBM, Wald, Gonzales, ??, Forbs
13:41:58 <klaus> Simon: Extending needed
13:42:32 <klaus> Simon: Review process has to be done.
13:42:46 <klaus> Shadi: Metrics had 11 submission
13:43:10 <shadi> q+ to talk about mobile symposium format
13:43:16 <markel> 12 submissions, 11 papers accepted
13:43:16 <sharper> ack s
13:43:16 <Zakim> shadi, you wanted to talk about mobile symposium format
13:43:17 <shadi> ack me
13:43:21 <klaus> Simon: But 6 papers are fine for a conference
13:43:54 <klaus> Shadi: This time no presentations. Participants should read abstracts. PANEL DISCUSSION
13:44:30 <klaus> Shadi: More room for questions, make more out of discussion. Papers as panelists.
13:45:01 <klaus> Shadi: Important role for scientific committee and symposium chairs to set up panel
13:45:30 <vivienne> q+
13:45:33 <vivienne> ack me
13:45:36 <sharper> ack v
13:45:40 <markel> q+
13:45:48 <klaus> +1
13:46:14 <klaus> Vivienne supports the idea
13:46:20 <vivienne> zakim, mute me
13:46:20 <Zakim> vivienne should now be muted
13:46:28 <sharper> ack markel 
13:46:33 <shadi> zakim, mute me
13:46:33 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
13:47:05 <klaus> Markel: Questions to be prepared in advance and sent to speakers.
13:47:07 <shadi> +1 to markel's idea
13:47:08 <Yehya> q+
13:47:11 <klaus> zakim, mute me
13:47:11 <Zakim> klaus should now be muted
13:47:18 <sharper> ack Yehya 
13:47:32 <klaus> Yehya: How many reviewers per paper?
13:48:05 <klaus> Simon: Multiple can be done this time.
13:48:05 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/2012/mobile/cfp.html#review
13:48:10 <markel> 2 reviewer sounds reasonable 
13:48:13 <shadi> "at least three reviewers"
13:49:11 <klaus> Simon: We need more PR for topic 3 onwards
13:49:35 <klaus> Simon: Klaus to prepare a list of distribution points
13:49:40 <klaus> Klaus: yes
13:49:41 <shadi> zakim, who is muted?
13:49:41 <Zakim> I see klaus, vivienne, Shadi muted
13:49:52 <shadi> ack me
13:49:54 <shadi> q+
13:49:56 <klaus> zakim, unmute me
13:49:56 <Zakim> klaus should no longer be muted
13:50:32 <sharper> Action: sharper to Create list of distribution points for calls
13:50:32 <trackbot> Created ACTION-18 - Create list of distribution points for calls [on Simon Harper - due 2012-05-16].
13:51:04 <klaus> zakim, mute me
13:51:04 <Zakim> klaus should now be muted
13:51:10 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/
13:51:42 <shadi> ack me
13:51:48 <klaus> Shadi: Wiki contact list might be useful
13:52:02 <klaus> Simon: agreed
13:52:41 <klaus> Shadi: e.g. AAATE, ICCHP, ... and others
13:52:55 <shadi> zakim, mute me
13:52:55 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
13:53:53 <shadi> ack me
13:54:21 <klaus> Action: sharper to clean up mobile
13:54:21 <trackbot> Created ACTION-19 - Clean up mobile [on Simon Harper - due 2012-05-16].
13:54:59 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 4
13:54:59 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Current W3C Note Status (Giorgio, Markel, Josh, Shadi)" taken up [from shadi]
13:55:22 <shadi> zakim, close agendum 2
13:55:23 <Zakim> agendum 2, Mobile Topics Update (Yeliz, Peter, Simon), closed
13:55:23 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
13:55:23 <Zakim> 3. Mobile Topic Wiki Clean Up - [from shadi]
13:55:26 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/2011/metrics/note/ED-metrics-20120509.html
13:55:59 <klaus> Shadi: Only thing missing: appendices with papers
13:56:17 <markel> q+
13:56:39 <sharper> ack m
13:57:28 <klaus> Markel: Decision on how to store the proceedings?
13:57:46 <klaus> Simon: Appendices to W3C note
13:58:24 <sharper> http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/Drafts/rd/SP-design
13:58:37 <klaus> Shadi: Not decided - back and forward; discussions to include in main body; minutes to be revisited
13:59:35 <klaus> Simon: That's for future design. For this topic we are unhappy with appendices - devalue papers ...
14:00:23 <klaus> Shadi: Papers should not be in main body ... W3C notes must highlight that this is external work
14:01:00 <klaus> Shadi: Oppinion - best way to go is appendices, but not naming it appendices
14:01:14 <klaus> Shadi: Clear note what they are
14:01:30 <klaus> Markel: Why not "proceedings" instead of appendices
14:02:08 <klaus> Shadi: o.k.: Proceedings ... Paper 1, Paper 2, ...
14:02:15 <klaus> Markel: How to cite?
14:03:27 <klaus> Simon: yes, not sure; perhaps enough when they are on the site 
14:03:56 <klaus> Simon: As long as they can be cited correctly - fine
14:04:49 <klaus> Markel: They have to be stored permanently. Perhaps a list of pointers (as in references), but they are out of context - not related to symposium
14:04:56 <shadi> q+
14:05:12 <sharper> ack s
14:05:13 <shadi> ack me
14:05:18 <klaus> Simon: List of papers with citations to make them visible
14:06:06 <klaus> Shadi: Likes idea - intro should highlight this in a description of symposium and how we want them to be cited.
14:06:30 <klaus> Shadi: Consent of authors needed for that.
14:07:08 <klaus> Simon: Preference would be - citation is BibTeX to know how things are cited.
14:07:49 <klaus> Simon: Instead of asking authors inviting them. As long as they to not ask for no need to make them appendices
14:08:19 <klaus> Simon: Important to outline how to cite them
14:08:54 <klaus> Simon: Resolution setion at beginning lists papers and points to the page
14:09:13 <klaus> Action: Markel to carry this out
14:09:14 <trackbot> Created ACTION-20 - Carry this out [on Markel Vigo - due 2012-05-16].
14:10:02 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/2011/metrics/#proceedings
14:10:16 <klaus> Shadi: Updated draft expected from editors, for metrics page Markes to send text
14:10:30 <shadi> +1 to both
14:10:39 <klaus> Markel: Do we want to have bibTeX on page or link
14:10:45 <klaus> Simon: both please
14:11:18 <klaus> Markel: DVLB?
14:11:25 <markel> DBLP
14:11:38 <klaus> Simon: We should aks them to index it 
14:11:45 <shadi> q+
14:11:57 <vivienne> +1
14:11:58 <klaus> +1
14:12:01 <shadi> +1
14:12:03 <shadi> ack me
14:12:54 <klaus> Shadi: do we need to do something in formating before contacting DBLP?
14:13:30 <klaus> Markel: Regarding Google scholar something has to be done as last symposium is not included.
14:13:59 <klaus> Shadi: Dublin Core inside the code should allow Google to index it.
14:14:37 <klaus> Shadi: BibTeX page is required. Let Shadi know what is needed in design to get picked up by scientific indexers
14:15:04 <klaus> Simon: DBLP should solve this
14:15:27 <klaus> Markel: Should be the fastest way
14:16:17 <shadi> agenda?
14:16:35 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 6
14:16:35 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Publication Format Redux - (Shadi's Report on Options) -" taken up [from shadi]
14:17:32 <klaus> Shadi: Volunteer for visual aspect. Out of  WAI-Act some more research to be better picked up - also for visual design
14:17:51 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 7
14:17:51 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Timelines / Schedule to 30th June 2013 (Simon)" taken up [from shadi]
14:18:54 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 9
14:18:54 <Zakim> agendum 9. "Any Other Business" taken up [from shadi]
14:19:01 <klaus> Shadi: Symposium chairs to contact scientific committee to assign papers
14:19:27 <klaus> Simon: emails Alice and Peter to sort it out
14:20:14 <klaus> Shadi: Likes idea of Markel to have questions ahead of time. Perhaps scientific committee to join RDWG call
14:20:34 <klaus> Markel: Also audience to put in questions.
14:21:02 <klaus> Shadi: 3 stages: a) feedback to authors by scientific committee
14:21:19 <klaus> Shadi: b) Group to define questions to the panel.
14:21:45 <klaus> Shadi: c) Audiences to contribute after paper and panel ist set later in the process
14:22:22 <klaus> Markel: We should come up with questions in a meeting after reading papers
14:23:01 <klaus> Shadi: in 2 or 3 weeks - define what we want as output. Call with scientific committee
14:23:47 <klaus> Simon: Easy by using OpenConf. We could ad a field for questions for the panel session.
14:24:37 <klaus> Simon: Will go on with distribution of papers.
14:24:38 <vivienne> thanks, bye
14:24:42 <vivienne> -
14:24:45 <Zakim> -sharper
14:24:47 <Zakim> -Yehya
14:24:49 <vivienne> -vivienne
14:24:49 <Zakim> -Shadi
14:24:49 <markel> markel has left #rd
14:24:50 <klaus> thanks, bye
14:24:52 <vivienne> vivienne has left #rd
14:24:57 <Zakim> -markel
14:25:01 <Zakim> -vivienne
14:25:27 <Zakim> -klaus
14:25:29 <Zakim> WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has ended
14:25:29 <Zakim> Attendees were Shadi, Yehya, markel, vivienne, klaus, sharper
14:25:42 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
14:25:42 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
14:25:42 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
14:25:50 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:25:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/09-rd-minutes.html trackbot
14:25:51 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
14:25:51 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/05/09-rd-actions.rdf :
14:25:51 <RRSAgent> ACTION: sharper to Create list of distribution points for calls [1]
14:25:51 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/05/09-rd-irc#T13-50-32
14:25:51 <RRSAgent> ACTION: sharper to clean up mobile [2]
14:25:51 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/05/09-rd-irc#T13-54-21
14:25:51 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Markel to carry this out [3]
14:25:51 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/05/09-rd-irc#T14-09-13
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