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14:50:10 <aphillip> trackbot, prepare teleconference
14:50:12 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
14:50:14 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 4186
14:50:14 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 10 minutes
14:50:15 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Core Working Group Teleconference
14:50:15 <trackbot> Date: 09 May 2012
14:50:19 <aphillip> Regrets: Felix, David
14:50:50 <aphillip> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2012May/0006.html
14:50:59 <aphillip> Chair: Addison Phillips
14:50:59 <aphillip> Scribe: Addison Phillips
14:51:02 <aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillip
14:51:19 <aphillip> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:51:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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14:59:50 <Zakim> +Addison_Phillips
14:59:53 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
15:00:09 <aphillip> zakim, [Microsoft] is Gwyneth
15:00:09 <Zakim> +Gwyneth; got it
15:00:21 <aphillip> zakim, ??P4 is andrewc
15:00:21 <Zakim> +andrewc; got it
15:00:22 <r12a> zakim, dial richard
15:00:22 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
15:00:24 <Zakim> +Richard
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15:00:55 <matial> zakim, ??p12 is me
15:00:55 <Zakim> +matial; got it
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15:06:59 <aphillip> Topic: Agenda and Minutes
15:07:20 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
15:07:37 <aphillip> gwyneth: new turkish lira
15:07:47 <aphillip> ... UTC accepted it in Unicode 6.2
15:08:30 <aphillip> ... U+20BA
15:08:57 <aphillip> Topic: Action Items
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15:09:19 <Gwyneth> Turkish lira: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_lira_sign
15:09:29 <aphillip> close ACTION-63
15:09:29 <trackbot> ACTION-63 File accepted as accepted and unreviewed comments as provisional closed
15:09:52 <Zakim> +Norbert
15:10:05 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
15:10:06 <Zakim> +Norbert.a
15:11:26 <aphillip> close ACTION-115
15:11:26 <trackbot> ACTION-115 Review IRI bidi spec for two weeks from now closed
15:12:43 <Zakim> -Norbert
15:12:55 <aphillip> close ACTION-122
15:12:55 <trackbot> ACTION-122 Check on <bdi> support in IE10 closed
15:13:08 <aphillip> gwyeth: limited support
15:13:15 <aphillip> ... tried it, talked to Adrian
15:13:22 <aphillip> ... didn't work as specified
15:13:34 <aphillip> ... unlikely to make it into IE10
15:13:46 <aphillip> ... some folks will follow up for future versions
15:15:31 <aphillip> Topic: Segmentation character
15:15:32 <aphillip> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2012May/0011.html
15:15:48 <aphillip> See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012May/0071.html  could I get the mandate from i18n core to write the following mail to Helena Chapman (ULI chair)?  "Please do not move forward with the standardization of a segmentation marker, as mentioned in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012May/0071.html without consulting the W3C i18n core working group. I think that discussion whether a new character (or 
15:19:39 <Najib>  /leave
15:20:37 <aphillip> wording could be improved from "do not move forward"?
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15:21:12 <aphillip> possibly both us and MW WG
15:21:53 <aphillip> ACTION: felix: write an appropriately reworded email to ULI expressing concern about the SEGEMENTATION character
15:21:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-124 - Write an appropriately reworded email to ULI expressing concern about the SEGEMENTATION character [on Felix Sasaki - due 2012-05-16].
15:22:13 <aphillip> Topic: Rechartering
15:23:22 <aphillip> Topic: Ruby use cases
15:23:41 <aphillip> richard: koji sent some comments, but is a key person for this discussion and not on call
15:23:49 <aphillip> addison: publish FPWD?
15:23:58 <aphillip> richard: at least another week
15:24:42 <aphillip> re-action everyone to look at it
15:25:03 <aphillip> addison: will remind everyone in separate email after this call
15:25:31 <aphillip> Topic: Bidi markup
15:25:39 <aphillip> richard: any comments?A
15:25:58 <aphillip> gwyneth: bdi tag worked if contents were pure rtl or ltr
15:26:09 <aphillip> ... but a mixed run segment didn't work
15:26:27 <aphillip> ... in IE10
15:26:40 <aphillip> richard: current wekbit isolates stuff, but doesn't apply auto direction
15:26:48 <aphillip> ... so stuff like "C++" doesn't work
15:28:07 <Gwyneth> HTML4: <p>we found the phrase '<span dir="rtl">פעילות בינלאומית</span>&lrm;' 5 times on the page.</p>
15:28:12 <aphillip> gwyeth: <span> is isolating in HTML4
15:28:15 <Gwyneth> HTML5: <p>we found the phrase '<a href="..."><bdi dir="rtl">פעילות בינלאומית</bdi></a>' 5 times on the page.</p>
15:32:09 <aphillip> richard: how can we help?
15:32:40 <aphillip> ... if HTML5 is used more extensively in the user experience, this'll be more important
15:32:57 <aphillip> gwyneth: will try to influence decision
15:34:03 <aphillip> Topic: HTML5 comments and responses
15:35:29 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/track/products/5
15:35:53 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/84
15:37:10 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/148
15:37:39 <aphillip> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=16990
15:37:54 <aphillip> Checked in as WHATWG revision r7095. Check-in comment: make terminology less confusing http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=7094&to=7095
15:38:10 <aphillip> norbert to check for satisfaction
15:38:34 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share of the Norbert Flavor
15:38:47 <aphillip> norbert: working on ecmascript
15:38:52 <aphillip> ... i18n update
15:38:58 <aphillip> ... no big changes
15:39:04 <aphillip> ... but discussion on 21 may
15:39:06 <aphillip> ... at TC 39
15:39:08 <Norbert> http://wiki.ecmascript.org/doku.php?id=globalization:specification_drafts
15:39:17 <aphillip> ... a whole day reserved for us. see above link
15:39:28 <aphillip> norbert: also updated draft for supplementary support
15:39:32 <Norbert> http://norbertlindenberg.com/2012/05/ecmascript-supplementary-characters/index.html
15:39:36 <aphillip> s/support/character support/
15:40:59 <aphillip> norbert: express support for sooner rather than later?
15:41:27 <aphillip> ACTION: addison: (AND ALL GROUP MEMBERS) review ecmascript supplementary draft for endorsement next week
15:41:27 <trackbot> Created ACTION-125 - (AND ALL GROUP MEMBERS) review ecmascript supplementary draft for endorsement next week [on Addison Phillips - due 2012-05-16].
15:42:50 <aphillip> norbert: read in detail the globalization spec, please?
15:46:09 <aphillip> Topic: AOB?
15:46:20 <aphillip> Topic: Rechartering
15:46:24 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/2012/05/i18n-recharter/core-charter.html
15:47:10 <aphillip> richard: need input on REC track documents
15:47:15 <aphillip> ... presumably the encoding document
15:47:40 <aphillip> richard: generally folks agree that stuff like techniques documents should not go to REC track
15:48:00 <aphillip> ... documents in gray area are CharMod-Norm, CharMode-Resid
15:48:26 <aphillip> ... downside of REC is that it must go through CR
15:48:29 <aphillip> ... requires tests
15:48:38 <aphillip> ... takes time, hard to modify document
15:52:58 <aphillip> addison: maybe LTLI?
15:53:02 <aphillip> richard: JLReq?
15:54:26 <aphillip> addison: review ruby annotation spec?
15:55:51 <aphillip> richard: will work on editing this charter, please share ideas Real Soon Now
15:57:42 <r12a> zakim, who's here ?
15:57:42 <Zakim> On the phone I see andrewc, Addison_Phillips, Gwyneth, Richard, matial, Norbert.a
15:57:44 <Zakim> On IRC I see Najib, Norbert, matial, Gwyneth, Zakim, RRSAgent, aphillip, andrewc, r12a, kennyluck, kojiishi, trackbot
15:58:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:58:27 <aphillip> Topic: AOB?
16:01:46 <Zakim> -Gwyneth
16:02:30 <aphillip> richard: contribute to the attribute discussion thread
16:02:53 <aphillip> ... should I contact Hixie about feasibility of proposing?
16:03:03 <aphillip> ... do that informally?
16:03:37 <aphillip> ACTION: richard: contact Ian H. about feasibility of adding attributes for bidi isolation
16:03:37 <trackbot> Created ACTION-126 - Contact Ian H. about feasibility of adding attributes for bidi isolation [on Richard Ishida - due 2012-05-16].
16:04:10 <Zakim> -Addison_Phillips
16:04:13 <Zakim> -matial
16:04:14 <Zakim> -andrewc
16:04:14 <Zakim> -Norbert.a
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16:09:14 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, Richard, in I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM
16:09:15 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM has ended
16:09:15 <Zakim> Attendees were Addison_Phillips, Gwyneth, andrewc, Richard, matial, Norbert
16:38:54 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
16:38:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:38:57 <aphillip> zakim, bye
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16:39:00 <aphillip> rrsagent, bye
16:39:00 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/05/09-i18n-actions.rdf :
16:39:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: felix: write an appropriately reworded email to ULI expressing concern about the SEGEMENTATION character [1]
16:39:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/05/09-i18n-irc#T15-21-53
16:39:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: (AND ALL GROUP MEMBERS) review ecmascript supplementary draft for endorsement next week [2]
16:39:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/05/09-i18n-irc#T15-41-27
16:39:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: richard: contact Ian H. about feasibility of adding attributes for bidi isolation [3]
16:39:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/05/09-i18n-irc#T16-03-37